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Dusktildawn

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I met Fran recently after all the hype

She was late for our meeting which was rather annoying as I had to hang around the hotel for 20 minutes like a spare part
She shares the room with a friend and I found a keycard sticking out the floor of the door when I arrived so doesn't give much comfort for security

Anyway,she is as per the pictures which I can't fault. Has absolutely huge pussy lips which is not my thing

She spent most of the 1 hour booking talking about herself,her escort agency and it all was just getting boring really (I'm not good at getting down to business)

The first damaging thing that ruined the punt was the fact she wouldn't French kiss despite saying she would. That just sours the mood when that is something you require on a booking and check and confirm before hand. I can't be arsed to argue with an escort so did the business and left 20 minutes early.

I was really hoping Fran might become a new regular but she is too interested in herself and her business and not interested in the punt and I really don't like it when you go to the effort of confirming services that are on the profile then are refused

For that reason and just total lack of interest from her is a big fat negative and I would not return for free

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Crikey you've had some bad punts based on your reviews Dusktildawn.  :unknown: That is unless you've not reported on your positives as some on here do.

I see you've seen ECB who I can concur is certainly one of the best of the best, so glad you had a good experience with her.

So the subject of Fran has become quite a hotbed of controversy. As my original TOFTT and second meeting both positive plus the comments and ensuing reviews it's starting to look like Fran has the Marmite factor.

Dunno how experienced or not you are DtD but getting down to business fairly quickly is a prerequisite in my books and if you appear to want a chat I think it's hardly fair to expect the girl to initiate proceedings. It does seem to be a recurring theme in your last 2 reviews.

Surely if it's not going well the option to abort, ask for money back and leave must be a consideration especially if services are being withheld.

Not my idea of a fun time at all, and if I were you I'd be asking myself what the reason might be.


Offline RedKettle

I hope your reviews are not a fair representation of your punting experience - I would be giving up by now!!

Thanks for the review. Much appreciated.  :hi:

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just re read the above and to clarify my comment about fair representation was referring to what is very high proportion of negatives, so I was hoping you have lots of other positive ones - I was not implying your reviews might not be fair!!  (That has probably just added to any confusion.)

ClarkeOfTheCourse

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Sounds similar to my experience, apart from the fact that she was ready on time when I saw her. A shame, she's an attractive girl, if she sorted out her attitude, provided the services she promised and pretended to be more interested she'd do very well.

Dusktildawn

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Thanks for your comments

I'm just too polite to be honest to move things forwards but that's just my own fault really and something I deal with. I always find a 5-10 min chat is nice but then others tend to take the piss

I try not to write too many reviews and mainly ones which are negative and feel the girls are not representing themselves accurately

I have had many good punts with Adele4u,Michelle I,luciebee etc etc I just don't tend to write those up as they have lots of good reviews and there is nothing to add really

I try to warn you of the ones who aren't doing what they say plus we are all different so if I want to chat for a bit that is my choice and my money, but when a girl lies about services that you wouldn't have booked her with if you had known then that is not cricket in my book

I'm sorry I don't have more time to write other reviews

GolfNut

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Thanks for your comments

I'm just too polite to be honest to move things forwards but that's just my own fault really and something I deal with. I always find a 5-10 min chat is nice but then others tend to take the piss

I try not to write too many reviews and mainly ones which are negative and feel the girls are not representing themselves accurately

I have had many good punts with Adele4u,Michelle I,luciebee etc etc I just don't tend to write those up as they have lots of good reviews and there is nothing to add really

I try to warn you of the ones who aren't doing what they say plus we are all different so if I want to chat for a bit that is my choice and my money, but when a girl lies about services that you wouldn't have booked her with if you had known then that is not cricket in my book

I'm sorry I don't have more time to write other reviews

Thanks for the clarification.

I'd say posting some of your more positive reviews (even just the salient points, no need for massive detail), will help the rest of us to ascertain that you are a credible reviewer and not just someone who always appears to have bad punts.

In terms of the opening chat bit, I'd suggest you can both do the ice breaking chat whilst starting to make your move on the girl if she hasn't already done so. The longer you leave it, the more likely things will start to go pear shaped. She might think you don't fancy her perhaps, so the quicker you get stuck in the more likely she is to reciprocate.

I'm not going to go back into the Fran kissing debate as we've all been there before, but if I were you and a girl withheld advertised services, discretionary or not, I'd want an explanation of sorts as early as possible to establish if I wanted to proceed with the booking, or walk, which btw I've never done to date.


Dusktildawn

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I do it my way,you do it your way,we are all different

In terms of credibility this is an Internet forum those who post the most aren't suddenly more credible than others?!

This is the main reason I don't post brief positive reviews because people then jump on and slag you off for not posting detail and here we are I've said a negative about someone who's popular and I'm getting questioned that it must be my fault or I'm not a credible poster-couldn't possibly be the girls fault?!

Now as I said she is an attractive girl but gave clear reason for why it was a negative,we all have our bad days so maybe this was hers but it still happened so I'll report it how it was

I'm trying to help others like negative reviews on here have helped me, if we get jumped on for speaking out then I just won't bother posting as I don't really have the time and I certainly don't have the time to argue about the post I've made  :wackogirl:

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She seems highly deluded, described herself as "petite" when in heels she's going to be approaching 6ft  :scare:

James999

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In terms of the opening chat bit, I'd suggest you can both do the ice breaking chat whilst starting to make your move on the girl if she hasn't already done so.

It's not a date, she's a pro$$ie charging £150 an hour in return for pretending to like old men who want to fuck her  :wacko:

Offline RedKettle

I do it my way,you do it your way,we are all different

In terms of credibility this is an Internet forum those who post the most aren't suddenly more credible than others?!

This is the main reason I don't post brief positive reviews because people then jump on and slag you off for not posting detail and here we are I've said a negative about someone who's popular and I'm getting questioned that it must be my fault or I'm not a credible poster-couldn't possibly be the girls fault?!

Now as I said she is an attractive girl but gave clear reason for why it was a negative,we all have our bad days so maybe this was hers but it still happened so I'll report it how it was

I'm trying to help others like negative reviews on here have helped me, if we get jumped on for speaking out then I just won't bother posting as I don't really have the time and I certainly don't have the time to argue about the post I've made  :wackogirl:

Just to be clear - I was not jumping on you for the negatives, my comments were intended more as light hearted - "with your luck I would give up".  Your reviews are very much appreciated and entirely up to you which punts you decide to review.

GolfNut

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It's not a date, she's a pro$$ie charging £150 an hour in return for pretending to like old men who want to fuck her  :wacko:

Funny you should say that James. Not all guys actually shag working girls if you weren't aware. Some guys actually pay for their company. Dinner dates being a good example of such behaviour. Hence if a guy turns up and doesn't appear interested in sex then why would the girl assume that is what he is after??

Offline Picti

it's starting to look like Fran has the Marmite factor.

Sadly the pattern emerging from these reviews seems to be that Fran applies the Marmite principle to punters.  If she "likes" you (whatever that might mean) then a good service is available (and GN and I have had good punts with her) but if she doesn't "like" you then advertised services are not made available and a mediocre punt ensues.  That's not the way punting works; the exchange should be a good service / experience for the relevant fee. Accurate service availability and a good approach / performance should be the baseline. If she chooses to withhold "at discretion" services then her reasons should be made explicit and the punter given the option (if necessary) of rectifying the situation, renegotiating the fee in line with lesser service availability, or leaving with the money. There are plenty, if not the majority of WGs, who offer a great service to punters who are not their preferred types; that's the deal in paid sex. I realise that I'm probably going to hell for this, but I pretty much agree with James' statement above.

I said this in response to the previous negative review for Fran, but it's a great pity to hear of these disappointing punts.  She's a beautiful looking woman, and I know from personal experience that she can provide a good punt.  However, consistency of performance across a range of punters is sadly lacking.

DtD I fully agree that your punting style is your business, but you did make a (reasonable) issue of the amount of time she talked.  I appreciate your honesty in saying that you're reticent about progressing to the sexual part of a punt, but without blaming you I encourage you to think about how you may do this.  You could be clear but indirect in saying that you'd love to see her naked, or putting on a show for you, etc.  You could divert the discussion to sexual preferences.  You could cue her by stating "I'd love to start by...".  If you're less confident in person you could send requests, instruction by e-mail or text, and a good WG will respond accordingly.  I understand that it may not be easy, but if it's an issue it does require your attention.

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Funny you should say that James. Not all guys actually shag working girls if you weren't aware. Some guys actually pay for their company. Dinner dates being a good example of such behaviour.

Dinner dates are usually a sign of a deluded punter, i.e. pretending she's his GF as opposed to the reality, paying a girl to eat with you is sad, very sad.

If a guy cant get it up and doesnt want to shag he's better to use dateline or another site as opposed to pro$$ies, otherwise it's like paying to go to a swimming pool and not going in the water  :hi:

GolfNut

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Dinner dates are usually a sign of a deluded punter, i.e. pretending she's his GF as opposed to the reality, paying a girl to eat with you is sad, very sad.

If a guy cant get it up and doesnt want to shag he's better to use dateline or another site as opposed to pro$$ies, otherwise it's like paying to go to a swimming pool and not going in the water  :hi:

I totally agree but we all know it happens and is probably more common than we realise.

Equally we can't deny that there are some odd types out there who have more money than sense.  :crazy:

Offline mf_1101

Dinner dates are usually a sign of a deluded punter, i.e. pretending she's his GF as opposed to the reality, paying a girl to eat with you is sad, very sad.

If a guy cant get it up and doesnt want to shag he's better to use dateline or another site as opposed to pro$$ies, otherwise it's like paying to go to a swimming pool and not going in the water  :hi:

I agree I would never pay a Prossie for anything other than a good shag but some people have other preferences, if they want to pay for a dinner date, let them and don't judge, some would say the same about what we do, so long as they don't start reviewing here!

Offline mf_1101

Funny you should say that James. Not all guys actually shag working girls if you weren't aware. Some guys actually pay for their company. Dinner dates being a good example of such behaviour. Hence if a guy turns up and doesn't appear interested in sex then why would the girl assume that is what he is after??

In this instance the OP indicated he wanted certain services, so unless she lacks any kind of common sense, surely she must know he wants to fuck at some point soon! In my younger days I paid a mature prossie and she went on about shit for ages before I actually shagged her, these days on reflection after getting over my MILF fetish that she was taking the piss, this was pre-UKP days but it was as obvious a TW prossie intent on giving as little effort for as much profit.

From what I have read from the OP and previous negative, sounds as if she is also a pisstaker, intent on TW, at least with certain clients. I can see by your post on the other negative thread you have had a different experience to the negative ones listed, and you have been trying to defend her actions - Fair play, you had a good punt with her and you want to recommend her but on balance of these two reviews I think she should be avoided and dismissed as a TW, so many classics like talking too much, denying services, stating "cock too big" shit and so forth. If she has a problem with the punter that makes her refuse certain agreed services she should state so and offer a refund, not take his money and give a half-assed service. Sorry but I am with OP, avoid this one.

GolfNut

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In this instance the OP indicated he wanted certain services, so unless she lacks any kind of common sense, surely she must know he wants to fuck at some point soon! In my younger days I paid a mature prossie and she went on about shit for ages before I actually shagged her, these days on reflection after getting over my MILF fetish that she was taking the piss, this was pre-UKP days but it was as obvious a TW prossie intent on giving as little effort for as much profit.

From what I have read from the OP and previous negative, sounds as if she is also a pisstaker, intent on TW, at least with certain clients. I can see by your post on the other negative thread you have had a different experience to the negative ones listed, and you have been trying to defend her actions - Fair play, you had a good punt with her and you want to recommend her but on balance of these two reviews I think she should be avoided and dismissed as a TW, so many classics like talking too much, denying services, stating "cock too big" shit and so forth. If she has a problem with the punter that makes her refuse certain agreed services she should state so and offer a refund, not take his money and give a half-assed service. Sorry but I am with OP, avoid this one.

Not defending/WK her at all. Had a different experience yes, but I did state that if I'd have had the same I'd probably have requested or demanded my cash back and walked.

He spent most of the booking chatting apparently, was then refused services and left 20 minutes early. That's not really a punt in my experience.
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The first damaging thing that ruined the punt was the fact she wouldn't French kiss despite saying she would. That just sours the mood when that is something you require on a booking and check and confirm before hand. I can't be arsed to argue with an escort so did the business and left 20 minutes early.


Sounds like a punt to me, although a shorter one than the OP had hoped for

GolfNut

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Sounds like a punt to me, although a shorter one than the OP had hoped for

No mention of any other services received or not!  :unknown:

ClarkeOfTheCourse

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I'm assuming "did the business" meant he shagged her. My money's on doggy being the default position offered.

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I'm tempted to take one for the team and see what the crack is. Anyone care to donate towards her fee?  :lol:

ClarkeOfTheCourse

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Why not offer to pay her pro rata. With the timewasting excluded she'd be about £100 for the hour.  :lol:

Dusktildawn

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Just for clarity all services,meet intentions were discussed before the meet so I think it was obvious what was meant to happen,also she was told I struggle to move things along before we met which was met with no issue and then lots of stalling and time wasting in person when I actually then moved things on and was met with lack of services
Maybe she just tries to prey on people's weakness and take advantage of the situation, all I know is for the 5-6 bad punts I've commented on here I've had 50-60 which have been fine with no piss taking,withheld services or stalling

And it was cowgirl not doggy  :lol:

ClarkeOfTheCourse

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Just for clarity all services,meet intentions were discussed before the meet so I think it was obvious what was meant to happen,also she was told I struggle to move things along before we met which was met with no issue and then lots of stalling and time wasting in person when I actually then moved things on and was met with lack of services
Maybe she just tries to prey on people's weakness and take advantage of the situation, all I know is for the 5-6 bad punts I've commented on here I've had 50-60 which have been fine with no piss taking,withheld services or stalling

And it was cowgirl not doggy  :lol:

Unfortunately a lot of WGs will take advantage if you say you are a first timer, shy, or inexperienced and see it as a way of doing as little work as possible. I certainly encountered this in my first couple of punts, I learnt to over-exaggerate my punting experience after that, as they do with their oohs and aahs  :D

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Just for clarity all services,meet intentions were discussed before the meet so I think it was obvious what was meant to happen,also she was told I struggle to move things along before we met which was met with no issue and then lots of stalling and time wasting in person when I actually then moved things on and was met with lack of services
Maybe she just tries to prey on people's weakness and take advantage of the situation, all I know is for the 5-6 bad punts I've commented on here I've had 50-60 which have been fine with no piss taking,withheld services or stalling

And it was cowgirl not doggy  :lol:
Thanks for clarifying, and it makes it sound even worse that your pre-arranged agreements were ignored. Not sure what to make of her now. Until a couple of months ago I'd have recommended her on the basis of my experience. On the basis of collective experience now I'd have to say not unless she significantly improves her approach and service.

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I see from the deleted posts that Fran has tried to rescue the situation with a feeble attempt at touting  :lol:

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I see from the deleted posts that Fran has tried to rescue the situation with a feeble attempt at touting  :lol:

If this should be the case, then she would be banned from here, as she is also a member on here:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=79558

ClarkeOfTheCourse

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You don't think this was written by her or her pimp then? It reads almost like an instruction manual on how to punt her. :unknown:

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Offline Turtle Z

Thanks for your comments

I'm just too polite to be honest to move things forwards but that's just my own fault really.

Is it fuck your fault, girls like this take the piss out of punters who have the overly good manners not to interrupt them when they're talking about themselves. She's clearly another deluded prossie who thinks she's so gorgeous that she can get by on providing whatever shite service suits her on the day.

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I see from the deleted posts that Fran has tried to rescue the situation with a feeble attempt at touting  :lol:

I just read it. It was one of the dumbest and shittest attempts at posting an 'independent' review that I've ever seen; fucking hilarious!  :wacko:

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I see from the deleted posts that Fran has tried to rescue the situation with a feeble attempt at touting  :lol:

I just read it. It was one of the dumbest and shittest attempts at posting an 'independent' review that I've ever seen; fucking hilarious!  :wacko:

Reviewer of the post has been Banned.

English Fran still appears to be a member, so Admin has not linked the two together.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=79558

Reviewer could be her fan club / WK.
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If it wasn't her then you can be sure that she got one of her fanboys to post it.

GolfNut

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If it wasn't her then you can be sure that she got one of her fanboys to post it.

Wasn't me  :D :D

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Fran disappeared but now has reappeared as Francesca Princess, seems to be here, there, everywhere except the East midlands. I thought she was great but clearly not everyone did.

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Fran disappeared but now has reappeared as Francesca Princess, seems to be here, there, everywhere except the East midlands. I thought she was great but clearly not everyone did.

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£150 / 30 mins hahahaha good luck with that  :lol:

GolfNut

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£150 / 30 mins hahahaha good luck with that  :lol:

That's Mayfair prices for you. Monopoly money down there. She's a bargain at that price for an Oil Sheik!

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That's Mayfair prices for you. Monopoly money down there. She's a bargain at that price for an Oil Sheik!

When I win the lottery I'll book her for a whole hour matey  :D

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https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=84156.msg1038434#msg1038434
Now Franchesca princess and is now £160 Ph. Not cheap especially if there's no FK. But sounds a lovely girl. :hi:

Offline Chris1966

I would recommend a very wide berth
Booked to see her when she was in Bath recently
She is not exactly discreet . When I left a message asking about avalabiliy and asking her to text she actually called me .
Shortly before our meeting she sent a text checking I was coming and within minutes I replied
to say that I was but could get there earlier because traffic had been lighter than I thought .
She then sent a text saying she had to cancel !!!!
I sent a polite text saying I wasn't happy and shortly after about 15 minutes she phoned me ( again ! ) with some rubbish about getting her days mixed up and when I said I would see if I could now rearrange my time she said she couldn't do that ! A bit rich I thought .
Pretty clear she had ignored my firm booking when I did not text her back straight away , someone else booked and that let her down so she came running back to me .
Avoid unless you want her calling you and messing you around .

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I would recommend a very wide berth
Booked to see her when she was in Bath recently
She is not exactly discreet . When I left a message asking about avalabiliy and asking her to text she actually called me .
Shortly before our meeting she sent a text checking I was coming and within minutes I replied
to say that I was but could get there earlier because traffic had been lighter than I thought .
She then sent a text saying she had to cancel !!!!
I sent a polite text saying I wasn't happy and shortly after about 15 minutes she phoned me ( again ! ) with some rubbish about getting her days mixed up and when I said I would see if I could now rearrange my time she said she couldn't do that ! A bit rich I thought .
Pretty clear she had ignored my firm booking when I did not text her back straight away , someone else booked and that let her down so she came running back to me .
Avoid unless you want her calling you and messing you around .

When I saw her she was talking about how she was setting up her own agency, sounds like that would be a resounding success  :lol: :lol: :lol:

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When I saw her she was talking about how she was setting up her own agency, sounds like that would be a resounding success  :lol: :lol: :lol:

She did set it up. If you google her number, she left trail everywhere. Looks like it.

She even talked about touring Dubai.

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She sounds very clever  :crazy: :wacko:


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