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Author Topic: Moral high ground  (Read 6356 times)

Offline Jimmyredcab

Absolutely have you seen the rates the taxman charges you on unpaid taxes when you get caught? Would make earning the money in the first place not worth it! Not a chance I am going to try and make a nice life for myself only to have the taxman take it all from me at the end!

Much better to be poorer now and richer at the end than the other way around!

Sorry my dear, I simply don't believe you, prostitutes only accept cash which can't be traced, no way in a million light years would you declare all your income.   :rolleyes:

I have to pay my bills through the bank and that can be traced, the taxman knows how much interest you pay on your savings, from that he determines your in goings.... I won't try to fool the taxman, EE girls might not because they can send money out of the country to build new lives for themselves back home and they have an route of escape if they begin to get investigated they can just go back home.

I also wouldn't leave cash lying around my home under the bed so to speak for fear of somebody breaking in or a fire/flood that could have me lose everthing.

I view it like bareback, sure it may be nicer but when it goes wrong you are screwed, if the risks out way the rewards then it is not worth it!

Jimmy believe what you like that is your right, but I think you maybe surprised if you had evidence of the contraire...

Offline Jimmyredcab

I have to pay my bills through the bank and that can be traced, the taxman knows how much interest you pay on your savings, from that he determines your in goings.... I won't try to fool the taxman.

I have been self employed for many years and know all about the powers of Inland Revenue or the new posh name HMRC.

Yes, you have to declare anything that goes through your bank accounts but if you go on a shopping spree in Harrods for a new outfit then that money can't be traced back to you.

Ever heard that old saying "You can't kid a kidder"         :hi:

Offline Lurtz

I have to pay my bills through the bank and that can be traced, the taxman knows how much interest you pay on your savings, from that he determines your in goings.... I won't try to fool the taxman, EE girls might not because they can send money out of the country to build new lives for themselves back home and they have an route of escape if they begin to get investigated they can just go back home.

I also wouldn't leave cash lying around my home under the bed so to speak for fear of somebody breaking in or a fire/flood that could have me lose everthing.

I view it like bareback, sure it may be nicer but when it goes wrong you are screwed, if the risks out way the rewards then it is not worth it!

Jimmy believe what you like that is your right, but I think you maybe surprised if you had evidence of the contraire...

Littlehottie, do yourself a favour and admit that you pay some tax but not all tax. It is generally accepted on UKP that anyone (in any job) who gets paid in cash will tuck a proportion of it away. And furthermore, perhaps to your astonishment, most people* will think no less of you for that. We all do it - even taxi drivers.

* Except James999 who is a troll and who will always attack WGs for tax avoidance because prossies will never provide proof to refute the claim - and why should they?

well maybe I am too new to this game and still to scared of the powers that be... maybe if I was longer in the tooth on these matters I could justify the risks...

Anyways the original topic has long since been forgotten...

Offline Jimmyredcab

Littlehottie, do yourself a favour and admit that you pay some tax but not all tax. It is generally accepted on UKP that anyone (in any job) who gets paid in cash will tuck a proportion of it away. And furthermore, perhaps to your astonishment, most people* will think no less of you for that. We all do it - even taxi drivers.

Absolutely -------------- and builders, hairdressers, window cleaners, car mechanics ----------- in fact anyone who deals in cash.   :music:

Offline Marmalade

If you perform a morally repugnant act you become morally inferior to the majority. The more acts you perform, the more morally inferior you become. Escorts perform more morally repugnant acts than punters, therefore they are morally inferior, not superior.
Whether the statement offends some people or not, it's one of the cleverer things I've probably ever read on the forum. The logic seems inescapable, despite the fannying responses.

To stand any chance of defeating the argument you have to see how it assumes the answer. It's based on what society judges to be repugnant. On that basis, homosexuality was morally repugnant a century ago but is not so today. Clearly there are other ways to judge an act - and a repeated act - than whether society approves. But as it stands it represents at least a logical assessment of where we are now.

In a thousand years' time it might be considered morally acceptable. Or if the parliamentary nut jobs get their way, as morally neutral as someone who has the misfortune to be mugged (roughly the position of those who think it is "all men's fault")

And never mind society for a minute, would you rather a punter living next door to you (probably won't affect the value of your property) or known prostitutes? I don't think Lurtz is casting stones as much as stating facts. Prossies might find the facts regrettable but they could always change jobs, live on the dole, or live off some poor sucker who earns money.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2013, 04:39:45 PM by Marmalade »

Offline Whore Of Babylon

If you perform a morally repugnant act you become morally inferior to the majority. The more acts you perform, the more morally inferior you become. Escorts perform more morally repugnant acts than punters, therefore they are morally inferior, not superior.
There is some truth in this statement but it's just not as simple that. Not all repugnant acts are viewed equal and you have to take into account who is performing them and for what purpose.

For example: at the moment in Britain we're facing possible legal changes regarding punting, It's being proposed that it should be illegal for you to buy sex but not for women to sell sex.
This suggests it's seen morally wrong to buy sex and promotes the societal view of prostitutes being vulnerable victims of abuse, so a prostitutes are not as morally repugnant as you nasty a users and abusers (this is not my opinion).

Morality in human cultures is never fixed, it's moves and shifts in time. Just look at your history books and even look back to your own lifetime at what behaviour or views were deemed exceptible and now no longer are.

I make my own moral code and judge myself by it.
I'm a whore and proud.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2013, 02:08:37 PM by Whore Of Babylon »

Offline ParisB

A prossie once admitted to me (by accident - we were chatting and she was unguarded) that she'd never date a punter because you'd never believe he would be faithful - it was too easy for him to just book another girl if he wasn't getting exactly what he wanted and she'd never be certain he was faithful to her. Just made me realise if I ever do end up dating another woman I don't think I'd ever admit to my punting habit. Ever.

i wouldn't admit  - get over to mumsnet and read the threads on guys who partners have discovered that xxx years ago they once visited a prostitute   they are all told to Leave The Bastard,  that he is no better than a rapist, blah blah 

Offline Miss A Squires

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i wouldn't admit  - get over to mumsnet and read the threads on guys who partners have discovered that xxx years ago they once visited a prostitute   they are all told to Leave The Bastard,  that he is no better than a rapist, blah blah

There are some CRAZY women on there!

Offline ParisB

There are some CRAZY women on there!

they could give james9999 a run for their money - i think james9999 should join up mumsnet and piss of the Boden Massive Posse  especially in the relationships  section  - it would be entertaining to say the least   :D

Offline Lurtz


For example: at the moment in Britain we're facing possible legal changes regarding punting, It's being proposed that it should be illegal for you to buy sex but not for women to sell sex.
This suggests it's seen morally wrong to buy sex and promotes the societal view of prostitutes being vulnerable victims of abuse, so a prostitutes are not as morally repugnant as you nasty a users and abusers (this is not my opinion).


Hmm, interesting point. Certain pro-feminist politicians such as Harriet Harman have purposely exaggerated the extend of trafficking in this country, even when the evidence failed to support their idea (see Operation Pentameter). So you have to ask yourself, why has Harriet intentionally lied? Perhaps because she has always wanted to stamp out prostitution and has decided to approach it from a different angle: Invent a problem (trafficking), invent a victim (prostitutes), invent a cause (punters), suggest a solution (criminalise punters who 'cause' trafficking) and before you know it the feminists have achieved their goal of stamping out prostitution (the subjugation of women) whilst at the same time painting men as evil exploiters of women.

Offline smiths

Hmm, interesting point. Certain pro-feminist politicians such as Harriet Harman have purposely exaggerated the extend of trafficking in this country, even when the evidence failed to support their idea (see Operation Pentameter). So you have to ask yourself, why has Harriet intentionally lied? Perhaps because she has always wanted to stamp out prostitution and has decided to approach it from a different angle: Invent a problem (trafficking), invent a victim (prostitutes), invent a cause (punters), suggest a solution (criminalise punters who 'cause' trafficking) and before you know it the feminists have achieved their goal of stamping out prostitution (the subjugation of women) whilst at the same time painting men as evil exploiters of women.

IMO HH intentionally lied using a cobbled together but never proved figure of 4,000 trafficked women to help get her bill through. Remember thats a bill in which her intention was to criminalise all punters but she ran out of time fortunately. ACPO a year or so ago were using a figure of 2,600 trafficked women, once again prosecutions let alone convictions do not back this figure up. For HH and her ilk its a moral crusade, they dont care when it pushes prostitution further underground, they are of course fully aware prostitution cant be stopped, and see WGs as scum and if they get hurt in the crossfire they are merely collateral damage.

There is of course a big difference between passing a prostitution law and the police actually enforcing it or having the resources to do so. Brothels and the street scene still exist despite being wholly illegal AND the police knowing where they are. Think of the resources required to catch punters punting with Indies, in my view once again it would really be about scaring punters off punting in the first place which i imagine would work with some rather than actually nicking punters as a goal. Certainly police forces would need vastly more money than they get now to launch a nick the punter campaign nationwide.

I have no doubt if Harridan was in a position of power or influence she would continue her campaign though.;)
« Last Edit: January 13, 2013, 09:24:07 PM by smiths »

Offline NWescort

What a generalizing OP, you know some clients have a superiority complex too, usually the ones a girl would decline a second booking with!  :angelgirl:

Offline Marmalade

What a generalizing OP, you know some clients have a superiority complex too, usually the ones a girl would decline a second booking with!  :angelgirl:
What a little shit-stirrer you are. Get kicked off saafe and decide to practice your gobshite on here did we?

A bit pathetic when you didn't consider that the OP has already been banned cos he was full of shite. Maybe you can have a fantasy shite-fest together somewhere? Mumsnet?
« Last Edit: January 13, 2013, 10:27:52 PM by Marmalade »

Offline Whore Of Babylon

IMO HH intentionally lied using a cobbled together but never proved figure of 4,000 trafficked women to help get her bill through. Remember thats a bill in which her intention was to criminalise all punters but she ran out of time fortunately. ACPO a year or so ago were using a figure of 2,600 trafficked women, once again prosecutions let alone convictions do not back this figure up. For HH and her ilk its a moral crusade, they dont care when it pushes prostitution further underground, they are of course fully aware prostitution cant be stopped, and see WGs as scum and if they get hurt in the crossfire they are

The inflation and misrepresentation of figures of trafficked women doesn't surprise me. It is of course a moral crusade with sexual and gender politics at it's heart and they've seized upon plight of a few truly victimised women as a seemingly good excuse to go on a crusade. A weeping victimised prostitute makes a good banner.

Exploitation happens in many industries, just look at the cocoa bean one; large figures of trafficking and child labour. Proposing a bill against the purchase of our nice tasty chocolate bars? Perish the thought.

For some reason when sex is concerned the morale meter hits overdrive and people loose their ability to think rationally on the subject. If we completely abandon any assumptions that sex is in anyway dangerous or sacred to romantic love and something we can enjoy in or out of wedlock. We'll understand it's not at all degrading to purchase or sell our sexual skill or favours.



Offline Jimmyredcab

What a generalizing OP, you know some clients have a superiority complex too, usually the ones a girl would decline a second booking with!  :angelgirl:

We are superior, we buy, you sell.

The customer is King.    :hi:

Offline Whore Of Babylon

The customer is always right. Unless he's wrong :D

Offline smiths

The inflation and misrepresentation of figures of trafficked women doesn't surprise me. It is of course a moral crusade with sexual and gender politics at it's heart and they've seized upon plight of a few truly victimised women as a seemingly good excuse to go on a crusade. A weeping victimised prostitute makes a good banner.

Exploitation happens in many industries, just look at the cocoa bean one; large figures of trafficking and child labour. Proposing a bill against the purchase of our nice tasty chocolate bars? Perish the thought.

For some reason when sex is concerned the morale meter hits overdrive and people loose their ability to think rationally on the subject. If we completely abandon any assumptions that sex is in anyway dangerous or sacred to romantic love and something we can enjoy in or out of wedlock. We'll understand it's not at all degrading to purchase or sell our sexual skill or favours.

Indeed, the thing is we have many uptight frigid sexually repressed people in this country brought up to view sex as dirty and something to be ashamed of unless within wedlock. The pro-criminalise lobby just love this and wish to extend it into future generations exploiting peoples ignorance on the subject.

For the media its a win win subject, it sells copy and few dispute their moralist tone, although that few is more than ever i think. Whats needed in my view are many more Dr Magnantis, for obvious reasons many women dont wish to come into the public gaze though and i certainly dont blame them, i imagine i wouldnt.

There is usually two stock photographic images the media use, the drug addicted street prostitute and the kerb crawling pervert and a photo of school children walking to or from school with only their white socks showing, an image often used by the BBC with anything related to paid sex or noncing. Its all aimed at leaving an impression on the viewer that one thing leads to the other, subliminal messaging done on purpose and with government approval and support i believe although admit i cant prove it.

Over the years i have spoken to many people who said they werent punters or WGs and the majority just believe the stereotype, they werent inquisitive enough to look beyond it and delve into prostitution, why would they, this just believing what the media say is and has been a serious problem for a long time. This of course applies to many things not just prostitution.

The over-riding facts of recent history are prohibition will not and cannot work in a free society. IMO until we reach our inevitable conclusion many moons from now of a 24/7 monitored society prostitution will ALWAYS find a way. All smart politicians and the pro lobby realise this, it just doesnt suit their moral agendas to admit it. ;)

Offline Kitty

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We are superior, we buy, you sell.

The customer is King.    :hi:

No matter what industry I've worked in I've always found that the customers who hold this entitled attitude are invariably the ones who turn out to be most annoying/demanding who give you the most grief. I'm sure you're nothing like that though Jimmy :)

In reply to the OP: As someone who sleeps with men for money I know that by a lot of the people in this country my moral compass would seem totally messed up. Outside in the real world though I do try to lead a good life and being mean or judgemental to others is something I abhor. I'd never consider myself morally superior to someone because what is the point of wasting my time on negativity? Looking down on others seems like such an unproductive use of the life you're given.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2013, 12:14:40 AM by Kitty »

Wish there was a Facebook style like button for comments....

No matter what industry I've worked in I've always found that the customers who hold this entitled attitude are invariably the ones who turn out to be most annoying/demanding who give you the most grief. I'm sure you're nothing like that though Jimmy :)

In reply to the OP: As someone who sleeps with men for money I know that by a lot of the people in this country my moral compass would seem totally messed up. Outside in the real world though I do try to lead a good life and being mean or judgemental to others is something I abhor. I'd never consider myself morally superior to someone because what is the point of wasting my time on negativity? Looking down on others seems like such an unproductive use of the life you're given.

The quote idea has it's uses but feels antiquated in internet usage sometimes.

Is Kate Middleton morally deprived because she sunbathed topless? The royal family have had many scandals yet we hold them up to the world proud of our sovereignty, so are we as a nation proud of a family who provide us with scandal? Following along that line of logic surely we enjoy doing things others would be shocked at and those that getting shocked by it get excited upon hearing it rather than disgusted by it.

Good gossip is shocking news so we have to keep some things in life shocking in order to have good gossip surely??

Again why should anyone have to feel bad either as a punter or a WG? It is after all a symbiotic relationship, we need you punters for a livelihood and because you punters provide a demand for the service there are girls willing to supply to the demand.

No punters means no WG's and visa versa. Nobody has to feel bad or has the right to superiority because without one there isn't the other.

Offline Whore Of Babylon

We are superior, we buy, you sell.

The customer is King.    :hi:

I think, we can agree that a person who walks into a shop and feels morally superior to the shop assistant simply because he/she is buying is a bit of a dick.
 

Offline Lurtz

I think, we can agree that a person who walks into a shop and feels morally superior to the shop assistant simply because he/she is buying is a bit of a dick.

And what do we think of the shop assistant who feels morally superior to the customer who has just walked into the shop to buy what she is selling?

Offline Whore Of Babylon

And what do we think of the shop assistant who feels morally superior to the customer who has just walked into the shop to buy what she is selling?
Twat?

Offline Lurtz

Twat?

That's a harsh word from such pretty lips. Worthier tasks would put them to better use.  :P


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