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Author Topic: The horrors of Trafficking  (Read 3431 times)

Offline Matium

Just as we must defend a woman's right to go into Prostitution if that is her wish, so we must condemn those who force a woman into prostitution against her will.

Forcing a woman turns her into a slave.

See here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/opinion/28kristof.html?src=twrhp

I agree although I think there's much less "forced" prostitution than the media and the authorities try to make out and the definition of "forced" can itself be debated.  I would always try to avoid girls with a drink or drugs probelm if i could - so I never use street girls, for example.


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Offline Jimmyredcab

I agree although I think there's much less "forced" prostitution than the media and the authorities try to make out and the definition of "forced" can itself be debated. 
Many "Trafficked" girls are more than happy to work in the UK -------- a girl in Pattaya would get £20-£30 for an overnight, she could get that for 30 minutes in a UK brothel.
Stories of thousands of trafficked girls sell papers.

Offline softlad

I can honestly say that in over 20 yrs of visiting 'Ladies of ill repute'
I have never come across any that gave the impression they were there against their will.
I know you're not going to see them chained to the bed, but I think you would get a vibe.
I have been to some grotty holes aswell, in my earlier days.
 

Offline Mellow

They're coerced by the lure of money. I blame the Banks  :)

Offline Jimmyredcab

They're coerced by the lure of money. I blame the Banks  :)

I blame Maggie ---------- not the last 13 years of Labour misrule.  ;) ;)

Offline Mellow

I blame Maggie ---------- not the last 13 years of Labour misrule.  ;) ;)
I agree, Jimmy. Prostitution only began in 1979 as a direct result of her election and subsequent honour of leading the country to a glorious future. :rolleyes:

Offline Lucy chambers

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Economic migration doesn't have the same ring as trafficked, I guess. It's hard to say much without seeing the figures, but how many trafficking victims have been rescued this year? Six? If you measure that against the realistic amount of non nationals working in the UK alone there are either some very busy creative pimps or an awful lot of ladies taking a working holiday.

At least in the uk , there is a choce of websites that can help you make a clear and coherent decision on whom you should visit. Spare a thought for us in Ireland that have just one real escort advertising website . And this site doesnt really separate independents from agency from coherced. So basically its puts you in the position of not truely knowing whom you are going to visit. And when after your appointment you post your suspicions, its deleted and you will possibly be banned .   

Offline ladyofthemansion

I agree although I think there's much less "forced" prostitution than the media and the authorities try to make out and the definition of "forced" can itself be debated.  I would always try to avoid girls with a drink or drugs probelm if i could - so I never use street girls, for example.
Its not just street girls who have drink or drug problems. Believe me, I have come across coke heads who operate from nice hotel rooms. As far as I am concerned they are junkies. No nice way of dressing it up.

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Offline ladyofthemansion

Carmen, it would be almost impossible to find a job in civvy street that is as lucrative as being a prostitute, my dentist who has trained for many years does not clear £150 an hour after rent, bills and staff wages.
You ladies stay in the business for lots of reasons, mainly freedom and bundles of cash (tax free) ;)

Being able to choose when to take holidays is a huge advantage. Unfortunately its a pain when your nearest and dearest cant always come with you because they either dont have the cash or they cant get the time off work.

Offline Mellow

Being able to choose when to take holidays is a huge advantage. Unfortunately its a pain when your nearest and dearest cant always come with you because they either dont have the cash or they cant get the time off work.

Have I just read that right????  I guess , as the saying goes, his money is your money, your money is your money too!! Pretty telling that, Lotti

Its not just street girls who have drink or drug problems. Believe me, I have come across coke heads who operate from nice hotel rooms. As far as I am concerned they are junkies. No nice way of dressing it up.


Oh, I agree with that but in operating a few rules to try and avoid using girls who actually should be receiving help rather than just feeding their habit, avoiding street girls is a good start IMHO.  I would walk away from any other scenario if I thought the girl was out of it through drink or drugs as well.


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Offline Mellow

snip...  I would walk away from any other scenario if I thought the girl was out of it through drink or drugs as well.

Nice sentiment there, SOD. But how would you know? How much consumption would be "Out of it"? and would you have the same view if you'de travelled halfway across the country for the best fuck in your life?

Offline ladyofthemansion

Have I just read that right????  I guess , as the saying goes, his money is your money, your money is your money too!! Pretty telling that, Lotti

When referring to nearest and dearest l am referring to a BF who refuses to let me pay for anything. He is all for going Dutch though l may have twisted his arm to allow me to treat him to Florida in a couple of years. Even then, he insists on paying me back yet he's in a low paid job. Its frustrating. I would prefer it if he became my pimp!
As for my grown up kids. Yes, I do pay for them, but them both having the same time off so we can go together is not easy and am not referring to work. If they have a night out with mates they wont cancel them.
Other nearest and dearest include siblings with about 30 kids in total. Am well off but not that much.

Nice sentiment there, SOD. But how would you know? How much consumption would be "Out of it"? and would you have the same view if you'de travelled halfway across the country for the best fuck in your life?

I don't necessarily but I can at least try to avoid an area I'm not comfortable with.  I take your appoint about travel but I suppose I question whether a girl with a drink or drugs addiction is ever likely to be the best fuck of my life.  I hope I would be strong enough to walk away and spend my money on someone else.


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Offline Lucy chambers

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I don't necessarily but I can at least try to avoid an area I'm not comfortable with.  I take your appoint about travel but I suppose I question whether a girl with a drink or drugs addiction is ever likely to be the best fuck of my life.  I hope I would be strong enough to walk away and spend my money on someone else.

Tip..Stay away from Moss Side :)


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Offline Mellow

Tip..Stay away from Moss Side :)

As Moss Side is predominately peopled with a high proportion of second and third generation Caribbean immigrants, I take it Lucy that your suggestion is racially motivated?

Offline Lucy chambers

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As Moss Side is predominately peopled with a high proportion of second and third generation Caribbean immigrants, I take it Lucy that your suggestion is racially motivated?

Not at all. I would also avoid Cheetham Hill and Salford. I think that racial problems are far behind drug problems these days Mellow. I would avoid Stoke Newington, The Worlds End estate and Streatham Hill too, if I was into picking up street girls. Is that racially motivated? No. Just aware?

Offline Mellow

Not at all. I would also avoid Cheetham Hill and Salford. I think that racial problems are far behind drug problems these days Mellow. I would avoid Stoke Newington, The Worlds End estate and Streatham Hill too, if I was into picking up street girls. Is that racially motivated? No. Just aware?
Jt's all very well diverting the attention away from your higher-class prozzie peers. Facts are that drink/drugs/sti's are rife amongst all the girls that are engaged in offering exchange of body fluids. Manchester Action on Sexual Health (MASH) have made great inroads into the "Street Scene" but have come up against, what seems like a "brick wall" of denial amongst the parlour/indie hookers. Organisations set up locally in Manchester to promote well-known parlours have attempted to distance parlour girls from street girls with unfortunate result of pandering to the girls denial in this matter. Shame really.

Offline Lucy chambers

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Jt's all very well diverting the attention away from your higher-class prozzie peers. Facts are that drink/drugs/sti's are rife amongst all the girls that are engaged in offering exchange of body fluids. Manchester Action on Sexual Health (MASH) have made great inroads into the "Street Scene" but have come up against, what seems like a "brick wall" of denial amongst the parlour/indie hookers. Organisations set up locally in Manchester to promote well-known parlours have attempted to distance parlour girls from street girls with unfortunate result of pandering to the girls denial in this matter. Shame really.

Ok, I accept that. I don't accept that a capable Indie could maintain a well run business as well as a serious drug problem. We must also remember that in the youth of today drugs are as avante garde as alcohol. Addiction and prostitution do not always go hand in hand though. I would say in this instance you just want a row, in which case lets hit the arena of there is no supply without demand..

Offline Mellow

Ok, I accept that. I don't accept that a capable Indie could maintain a well run business as well as a serious drug problem. ....snip

As I've written is posts before, an indie with a well-run business, turns to drugs/drink and begins a slippery slope towards addictions. Having too much money and never being trained during their formative years, is the recipe. Dealers and pimps wait patiently in the wings.

My own experiences of being, at times, on the other side and knowing personally many hundreds of mostly female sex workers gives me an insight that I consider quite rare in this biz.

Maybe I bang-on too much about this.... but prostitution comes before the drugs.

Offline Lucy chambers

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I appreciate your point- but isn't it true that any high earning professional is open to the same problem? Money and drugs aren't selective.

Offline Mellow

I appreciate your point- but isn't it true that any high earning professional is open to the same problem? Money and drugs aren't selective.
True, "High earning professionals" are certainly at risk, but in the main, as a percentage of these workers, less are likely to destroy their lives through their ability to address their own addictive behaviour.

"Trafficking" in the UK relies upon the inability of the wg to properly identify her circumstances and her only remedy, as with almost all people that have failed to stop their addictions, is to deny responsibility and blame someone else for their misfortune. I would hazard a guess that should a punter bump into someone that had actually been trafficked, he would immediately go into the fluffy, knight-in-shining-armour mode and offer the poor girl a safe (In his opinion) home. a home where he thinks he can shag the arse of her for free.

I have no doubt, trafficking exists in some parts of the world, as does slavery continue in many African nations, but here in the UK, not on "our" watch.

Offline Strawberry

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I would imagine that trafficked girls are in very much the same situation as victims of domestic abuse - in that they really don't believe anyone will help them. Domestic abusers convince their victim that they are doing nothing wrong, that they are worthless and stupid. Hence why they then don't realise they could get allsorts of help.

Why do I know this?

Because once, a long time ago I was for very short periods within an abusive relationship. I now kick myself that I didn't make use of all the help that is out there. I actually made myself technically 'homeless' and did not seek help through shame as well as the fact I didn't think I was a 'bad enough' case to deserve it.

So I would guess that those in trafficked situations might well feel the same.


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