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When voting in this week's referendum, consider the efforts of Mary Honeyball. No, you won't find her profile on AW; she's a Member of European Parliament, one of that guilded class of anonymous mediocrities whose taxpayer funded expense accounts would make a king jealous.
Mary's tireless efforts in spreading the feminist view among Euro parliamentarians that punting is 'a form of violence against women based on gender inequality' has succeeded in the Euro Parliament recommending a law to criminalise punters in line with the 'Nordic model'.
While the Euro Parliament is toothless, it's recommendation to the European Commission (the unelected ones who really count) may yet become law in all 28 member states.
It is this poisoning of the atmosphere around legitimate, consensual acts between adults that has led France to bring in new laws to criminalise punters.
On Thursday you will vote on whether to let Ms Honeyball remain in Strasbourg or come home to seek proper work.
I know how I shall be voting.

Offline hullad

Digging up old and dead stories from early 2014, really lol

Its gone now dead in the water, kicked into the long grass, on the back boiler...... in  political terms its no longer relevant ........... :blush:


Digging up old and dead stories from early 2014, really lol

Its gone now dead in the water, kicked into the long grass, on the back boiler...... in  political terms its no longer relevant ........... :blush:
I'm surprised that you should think it's old hat. It was in April 2016 that the Euro Parliament made its long and tedious anti prostitution recommendation to the Commission.
I thought a reminder of the Euro Parliament's views was most relevant three days before the referendum.
I do agree with you, though, that there does not seem to be a whole lot of interest in my post.

Offline Plan R

Even if a dumb law like that did get passed over here (and I don't think it will), how do you police it?
I think it would apply more to parlors and street-walkers.

Working girls in flats could just change there adverts to read: '1hours 'COMPANIONSHIP' = 120pounds'
Services could also be listed in a more discreet manner;
Hand relief becomes..er...arm wrestling  :lol:
Oral becomes...dinner 
Anal becomes....... well I can't think of anything for anal, besides, I've not even had breki yet!

I mean - once two adults are behind closed doors, feminist euro MPs and their toothless, easily evaded legislation can fuck right off !
But I don't think it'll happen anyway, so it won't even come to the theatrics above   :rolleyes:

Offline Happylad

Even if a dumb law like that did get passed over here (and I don't think it will),

If the Commissioners decide that it will be so, then there is no question of it not "being passed" over here; it will not need to be passed by our Parliament but will be be binding on us just the same as the banning of weedkiller "Roundup", the creation of the EU Army (incorporating our own Forces), the imposition of VAT on food (that`s going to cost us), and a whole raft of other impositions at present in the pipeline (but not to be publicised until after the Referendum) will apply, and if the population of this country is daft enough to vote REMAIN, then we`ll be stuck with them and bugger-all we can do about them except be made to obey them.

Even if a dumb law like that did get passed over here (and I don't think it will), how do you police it?
I think it would apply more to parlors and street-walkers.

Working girls in flats could just change there adverts to read: '1hours 'COMPANIONSHIP' = 120pounds'
Services could also be listed in a more discreet manner;
Hand relief becomes..er...arm wrestling  :lol:
Oral becomes...dinner 
Anal becomes....... well I can't think of anything for anal, besides, I've not even had breki yet!

I mean - once two adults are behind closed doors, feminist euro MPs and their toothless, easily evaded legislation can fuck right off !
But I don't think it'll happen anyway, so it won't even come to the theatrics above   :rolleyes:
Partly true, but the cops will be expected to give punters a hard time by, for example, knocking on hotel room doors if they are alerted to 'escorting' going on within. And the Edinburgh saunas would certainly be closed down while working flats would be raided.
Now, even without successful prosecutions, the hassle factor would make punting less attractive.
If you don't believe me, take a look at Norway where the cops have dedicated 'cunt buster' units just to hassle escorts and punters.
Vote Brexit. Sack Mary Honeyball!

Err, Norway's not in the EU and the Brexiters would like the UK to be more like Norway.

Don't let your cock decide how to vote in the referendum.

Offline smiths

Even if a dumb law like that did get passed over here (and I don't think it will), how do you police it?
I think it would apply more to parlors and street-walkers.

Working girls in flats could just change there adverts to read: '1hours 'COMPANIONSHIP' = 120pounds'
Services could also be listed in a more discreet manner;
Hand relief becomes..er...arm wrestling  :lol:
Oral becomes...dinner 
Anal becomes....... well I can't think of anything for anal, besides, I've not even had breki yet!

I mean - once two adults are behind closed doors, feminist euro MPs and their toothless, easily evaded legislation can fuck right off !
But I don't think it'll happen anyway, so it won't even come to the theatrics above   :rolleyes:

In reality street WGs and their punters are already breaking the law of course as are those that own and help run brothels excluding the WGs unless they do answer the phone to take bookings for example. And in many areas the top cops allow both to operate doing purges from time to time.

It would cost an enormous amount of time and money to nick punters punting off/street with Indies who really do work alone, the police haven't the resources and in some areas the interest to enforce present laws let alone new ones. And what can be easier than nicking street WGs and their punters, or raiding and closing brothels, yet they continue to work and operate and have for decades in some areas.

Online JamesKW

Err, Norway's not in the EU and the Brexiters would like the UK to be more like Norway.

Don't let your cock decide how to vote in the referendum.

However France and Sweden are and I believe the trend of the EU is in this direction.

It wont determine how I vote it is just another nail in the coffin.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2016, 03:12:25 PM by JamesKW »

If a British MEP is threatening to fuck up our hobby I'd suggest us British voters just vote her out. This is about a British person being a prick, not the EU.

We are our own worst enemies sometimes.

DickDiver, what you say is theoretically correct, but not so in practise. Firstly, Ms Honeyball is not my MEP, so I cannot vote her out. Actually I would bet most of her constituents have never heard of her; the European Parliament, as you well know, is totally remote from its electors.
Secondly, I have a unique opportunity to remove her from the Euro Parly by voting for Brexit; so I will.
Actually, this is just an additional reason to get out before the EU closes down British democracy. My view only. I respect the fact that you appear to be for remaining.

Offline tazz

Although im all in favour of punting i think people should avoid a sex worker whose a drug addict or has a drink problem as giving them money is not going to stop their addiction. Problem is they are able to hide this from punters. I discovered this with a prossie i saw twice and despite the fact that i really like her i just cant be contributing to her addiction.

Online Marmalade

Germany is one big brothel. No way will they bow to a non-enforceable ranting scrawl from the armpit politicians.

Offline Happylad

Well, obviously the Commissars and Gauleitters are not going to able to force that law on to us now, so we can all stop worrying about it.  I`m quite sure that after BREXIT our own Parliament is going to have quite enough work on its hands for the next few years without worrying about where or how we get our rocks off.

Politicians seems to have an amazing sense of how to fuck things up. In France after WW2 they outlawed registered brothels. Net result - as with everything like this, drugs for example  - a field day for crooks.

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Going back a century,  Alexandra Kollontai, ( the only woman member of the Bolshevik central committee) wrote some interesting things about the buying and selling aspect of prostitution.  She was completely opposed to prostitution. She thought it was "an evil. " And she thought punting has a corrupting effect (I don't agree with this summary myself): "A man who buys the favours of a woman does not see her as a comrade or a person with equal rights... The contempt he has for the prostitute, whose favours he has bought, affects his attitude to all women. "

But she *didn't* think working as a pro, or being a punter,  should be criminalised:

   "Can the presence or otherwise of material bargaining be used as a criterion in determining what is and what is not a criminal offence?  Can we really persuade a couple to admit whether or not there is an element of calculation in their relationship?  Would such a law be workable,  particularly in view of the fact that at the present time a great variety of relationships are practised among working people and ideas on sexual morality are in constant flux? Where does prostitution end and the marriage of convenience begin? The interdepartmental commission opposed the suggestion that prostitutes be punished for prostituting,  i. e.  for buying and selling.
...The next problem that had to be tackled was whether or not the law should punish the prostitute's clients. There were some on the commission who were in favour of this,  but they had to give up on the idea, which did not follow on logically from our basic premises. How is a client to be defined? Is he someone who buys a woman's favours? In that case the huabands of many legal wives will be guilty. Who is to decide who is a client and who is not? " -Alexandra Kollontai, "Prostitution and ways of fighting it"(Speech to the third all-Russian conference of heads of the Regional Women's Departments, 1921) in Alexandra Kollontai;Selected Writings,ed. Alix Holt.

Offline Ben4454


Voting them out wouldn't work on a large scale. The government would start a big propaganda campaign for people to see the herion addicts who sell themselves on the street in Manchester accompanied by a toothless old haggard photo of a woman. Of course brits would believe the media and refuse to vote it in.

Like I always say --- prostitution undermines pussy power and the feminist establishment hates it. Of course women do not actually care about violence towards women or they'd ban dating websites which lately murderers are targeting women and strangling them to death. Of course this will never be a feminist issue as online dating enhances pussy power.
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Unexpectedly, two major events have gone in our favour-
Brexit. Ms Honeyball and her overpaid layabout fellow MEPs are heading for the dole queue. So no more recommendations from her and her feminazi pals to criminalise restitution.
Commons Select Committee. Keith Vaz's committee on prostitution, in its interim report, has strongly recommended to the Home Office that WGs should be allowed to share flats legally and that soliciting should no longer be an offence.
Common sense appears to be prevailing...

Offline smiths

Unexpectedly, two major events have gone in our favour-
Brexit. Ms Honeyball and her overpaid layabout fellow MEPs are heading for the dole queue. So no more recommendations from her and her feminazi pals to criminalise restitution.
Commons Select Committee. Keith Vaz's committee on prostitution, in its interim report, has strongly recommended to the Home Office that WGs should be allowed to share flats legally and that soliciting should no longer be an offence.
Common sense appears to be prevailing...

Honeyball will likely still be an MEP for at least 2 years and maybe more so in that time she could try to cause more trouble. In fact Harriet Harridan got her coercion law through in 2009/10 in the dying days of Browns government so there is a recent precedent.

The select committee recommendations ARE good to see and time will tell if they are taken forward. I cant see soliciting stopping being an offence personally.

While I didn't really have a strong opinion either for or against the EU overall, Honeyball summed up everything that was wrong about it.  What started as a trade deal ended up with a clueless feninazi trying to criminalise consensual sexual activity between consenting adults across Europe.

It does seem that common sense is starting to prevail, but we're not home and dry yet.  Decriminalising WG's is a part of both the New Zealand model (which almost everyone in the industry wants) and the Nordic model (which nobody in the industry wants) - they haven't yet decided on a "sex buyer law".

Though at least they seem to be aware of the persecution of WG's in Norway and Sweden, and don't want that here.  And the general tone so far seems to be against the Nordic model.

I wouldn't be surprised if we do still end up with a sex buyer law of some sort, but perhaps with a get-out clause.  Maybe one that could only be enforced if the WG agrees, so that she can exempt good punters?  Hoefully they will decide that the existing anti-coercion law is good enough though.

Yes, Sir Lance a lot, we are not home and dry. The committee was very strong in its recommendation that girls sharing flats should be decriminalised. Although the sex buyer law is still open for discussion, it would seem illogical to make it easier and safer for WGs to engage in their business and then to criminalise the punter.
I am still giving the report a cautious welcome.


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