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See this topic - Evening News reporting that saunas are doing without condoms to avoid prosecution.

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See this topic - Evening News reporting that saunas are doing without condoms to avoid prosecution.

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Absolute non-sense.
The Daily Record would be proud of fictional reporting like that.
"Chlamydia had increased by two per cent and cases of hepatitis B and C were also up"
How can an increase like that be attributed to a tiny amount of men visiting saunas compared to the larger population.


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The article as a whole is much more balanced than you're making out, although the headline is the main source of misinformation. It clearly points out that Police Scotland (aka Police Weegie) tactics have had an almost entirely negative effect on sex workers and have raised problematic issues around girls' health and their safety.

Don't expect their tactic to change any time soon though. Questioning will just make them try even harder to prove they're really right.

Offline auldie63

These fucking idiots at the Scottish Parliament have created a monster they cannot control. They tell the plod how to behave and the plod just shove two fingers up to them and carry on as before. Witness the Wyat Earp type in the railway station the other day and the semi head yin who came on the telly to praise his men who 'did not shoot the guy despite the knife he was holding', I must have missed the change in the law to allow the plod to shoot someone who has no gun. I thought they were all experts in disarming idiots with knives, but it seems they will just shoot them now. Only a matter of time till we are like London and all sorts of people are being unjustly shot by the bastions of the law.

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Although the report may indeed be hyped (and the stuff about STDs mere speculation), the horrific basis of it is indeed true. The police are implementing a Neanderthal approach based on beliefs, even though those beliefs have been shown to be harmful. It is likely that the cunt at the top has support from clergy-influenced higher ups that are covertly encouraging it.

To give you an idea of how bad this policy got in one country... Cambodia accepted money from George Bush to "fight AIDS" and the money was linked to zero tolerance. The police there also used possession of condoms as evidence that the women "might be prostitutes" and took them to the police station "for questioning." They would be routinely gang-raped and then released from custody. In Cambodia, as here, the anti-prostitution drive was made part of a drive against sex-trafficking, which was used as a cover for zero tolerance.

The zero tolerance reversed a successful program to combat AIDS. The government made condom use compulsory in brothels and the HIV rate dropped massively, as noted by the United Nations General Assembly. However the The Law on Suppression of Human Trafficking and Sexual Exploitation made prostitution illegal, heavily influenced by Bush's religious convictions.

"Although  police  abuse  of  sex  workers  is  not  a  new  problem,  the  Law  on Suppression  of  Human  Trafficking  and  Sexual  Exploitation  only  provides another  avenue  and  renewed  zeal  for  police  abuses. Cambodian  police  claim that  the  new  law  helps  them  "put  order  to  the  streets."  Once  sex  workers are  arrested,  protocol  is  to  detain  the  workers  in  the  rehabilitation  centers,  which hypothetically  provide  rehabilitation  services  to  people  who  go  on  a  voluntary basis. In  reality,  sex  workers  are  involuntarily  detained,  often  following arrests  that  are  "completely  arbitrary  and  not  based  on  any  investigation  of alleged  crimes." The  Cambodian  League  for  the  Promotion  and  Defense  of Human  Rights  (LICADHO)  reports  that  these  detention  centers  operate  under appalling  conditions. Further,  sex  workers  report  being  raped  and  robbed  by  guards  while  detained  at these  facilities." Condoms can't be used as evidence but police don't seem to care.

I am not suggesting our police would act as callously as some Cambodian police: but the opportunities for abuse are clearly widened. Furthermore the policy is proven to be counterproductive to law, the rights of the individual, health and well-being.

For a sample of the evidence to back all this up and sensible proposals about the range of issues see:
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Offline nike

Great piece marmalade, worthy of publication,and I'm not taking the piss.  Time and again those in power have been proven as hypocrites.

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Great piece marmalade, worthy of publication,and I'm not taking the piss.  Time and again those in power have been proven as hypocrites.

Cheers mate. I don't expect applause but it's encouraging to know someone finds a post worth reading occasionally.

Offline S.X. MacHine

I agree with Nike regarding Marmalade's piece. Well researched and professionally written. He also refers to his sources which gives authority to his conclusions.
Without wishing to sound unduly sycophantic, Marmalade's contributions are well considered and accurate; his assessment of the WGs (the ones I have had knowledge of) is accurate and balanced. This is starting to sound a bit fluffy, isn't it?
Finally, he desists from the increasingly prevalent habit of contributors attacking one another in virulent terms, a habit which detracts from the tone of the site and probably deters contributors who might otherwise have had good information to share.
My opinion, anyway.