bareback in your private life... why so taboo in the punting world??

[naughty boy 13]

So there I was browsing AW and noticed more and more EE are offering bareback services. My initial though is you are crazy! But then I have to think about my sexual encounters (non punting) and I have to say I have had over 20 encounters with girls where I have not used protection! To me I didn't even give it a second thought! But as soon as you see this in the punting world.. Sirens appear and so forth.

Maybe its just my attitude (and ignorance) to think BB in private life is fine (obviously there are risks) but in the punting world...it is very taboo

For me personally I prefer BB because it is way more initimate

[Silver Birch]

Not sure I should even feed this thread but, if you are having casual sex without protection, paid or unpaid, you are a reckless idiot. 

[Madone1]

I'm sure the other 50+ punters a month that that cute EE girl has had loved the intimacy as they finished inside her. As I'm sure you will enjoy the kind of intimacy that a case of syphilis brings.

Come on man no glove no love simple as.

[mh]

So there I was browsing AW and noticed more and more EE are offering bareback services. My initial though is you are crazy! But then I have to think about my sexual encounters (non punting) and I have to say I have had over 20 encounters with girls where I have not used protection! To me I didn't even give it a second thought! But as soon as you see this in the punting world.. Sirens appear and so forth.

Maybe its just my attitude (and ignorance) to think BB in private life is fine (obviously there are risks) but in the punting world...it is very taboo

For me personally I prefer BB because it is way more initimate

You, sir, must have shit for brains. But more likely you're just a troll.

[Daffodil]

Here's this hypocrisy again. Sticking your cock in a prossie's mouth is also risky, just less risky (arguably) than sticking it in her pussy.

In fact the only stories of STD's being caught by punters on here that I have read have come from owo.

This guy accepts that fucking civvies carries risk, just appears to suggest he believes it is less risky.

[Madone1]

That's true about the owo we are all risk takers it comes with the hobby. But his hang ups on the intimacy are stupid there is no intimacy with a WG it is a business transaction so make it as clean as you can.

[Daffodil]

That's true about the owo we are all risk takers it comes with the hobby. But his hang ups on the intimacy are stupid there is no intimacy with a WG it is a business transaction so make it as clean as you can.

Well that is very certainly true.

[vorian]

Everything one does in life is a risk, it is down to the individual to assess that risk and how much risk they are willing to take verses the perceived rewards.

[Roland D Hay]

There's this great game called Russian Roulette, you just put one bullet in the barrel before spinning it and firing it at your temple. It's really exciting and last time I played it I never blew my brains out. Why don't we play this more often? 

[Madone1]

There's this great game called Russian Roulette, you just put one bullet in the barrel before spinning it and firing it at your temple. It's really exciting and last time I played it I never blew my brains out. Why don't we play this more often? 

It sounds like naughty boy plays it but takes one bullet out instead. 

[naughty boy 13]

I am no troll kind sir
Also where do I say I prefer BB with a working girl? Yes I do like BB because of the intimacy, but I was talking about my private life... Not the punting world. I just find it laughable sometimes how BB is a taboo but yet your more than happy to have owo. Risk vs reward and all that. What makes it safer to have owo with a WG than BB sex? In my eyes.. There is no difference... A WG takes more precautions during sex than she does through oral.. Ponder that thought

[Daffodil]

There's this great game called Russian Roulette, you just put one bullet in the barrel before spinning it and firing it at your temple. It's really exciting and last time I played it I never blew my brains out. Why don't we play this more often? 

Do you do owo? Do you not see that the principle is the same?

[Roland D Hay]

Do you do owo? Do you not see that the principle is the same?

I've talked about this many times Daff. Risk to reward is understandable and there is a sliding scale of risk. I do owo but I won't do cim and sure I'd love to do bareback with at least two of my regulars but it's just too high a risk. You can't equate owo to bareback in terms of risk. I don't actually care that punters or girls choose to do BB so long as they are open about the fact. I have my level of acceptable risk and they have theirs. 

[Daffodil]

I've talked about this many times Daff. Risk to reward is understandable and there is a sliding scale of risk. I do owo but I won't do cim and sure I'd love to do bareback with at least two of my regulars but it's just too high a risk. You can't equate owo to bareback in terms of risk. I don't actually care that punters or girls choose to do BB so long as they are open about the fact. I have my level of acceptable risk and they have theirs. 

You likened Russian roulette to bareback sex when it's nothing but the sort. 1/6 chance of dying. Even the most pessimistic anti-barebackers wouldn't quote those chances, certainly not in a one-off situation.

Not doing cim does not protect you, i.e. you spunking in a prossies mouth does not increase your risk of disease.

Bareback is high risk to you, but owo is also risky (high risk to some, low risk to others).

It is hypocritical to castigate barebackers if you do oral without.

[Roland D Hay]

You likened Russian roulette to bareback sex when it's nothing but the sort. 1/6 chance of dying. Even the most pessimistic anti-barebackers wouldn't quote those chances, certainly not in a one-off situation.

Not doing cim does not protect you, i.e. you spunking in a prossies mouth does not increase your risk of disease.

Bareback is high risk to you, but owo is also risky (high risk to some, low risk to others).

It is hypocritical to castigate barebackers if you do oral without.

I don't think many would have taken the Russian Roulette comment quite so literally as to be quoting odds of 1 in 6.

You're right about owo but you have a very one sided view. Cim doesn't reduce my risk, it reduces the girls risk and that's why I don't do it.

As I said, I don't castigate bare backers, good luck to them so long as they are open about the practice but I do point out that it is high risk, certainly higher risk than owo. 

[rogerc23]

There are some really thick people on here who keep banging on about owo being the same as bb.ffs read some info online or go to a gum clinic,there is pretty much zero risk of hiv from owo,thats the key difference between it and bb and why most of us do it.

[vorian]

There are some really thick people on here who keep banging on about owo being the same as bb.ffs read some info online or go to a gum clinic,there is pretty much zero risk of hiv from owo,thats the key difference between it and bb and why most of us do it.

Fair point but HIV is a relatively low concern when I punt, but far more common STDs are a real issue for me. I choose to partake in OWO and RO because I believe the reward is worth the risk.

[Daffodil]

There are some really thick people on here who keep banging on about owo being the same as bb.ffs read some info online or go to a gum clinic,there is pretty much zero risk of hiv from owo,thats the key difference between it and bb and why most of us do it.

You're totally missing the point   

Nobody says it's the same, but that both involve a degree of risk. That is the difference. If you stick your knob in a prossie's mouth you risk catching STDs, just as you do when you stick it in her pussy. One is riskier than the other, but that's what it boils down to. You make your own call about risk vs reward and others make there's.

Do you understand now? 

[Roland D Hay]

Fair point but HIV is a relatively low concern when I punt

As it is for me but that's because we don't do bareback. 

[RandyF]

It's because of the hysteria that accompanies this taboo word "bareback", that I bet 90% of it goes un-reported.

Majority of the BB AW profiles out there are PG scams or whatever. The REAL barebacks going on largely un-reported, behind closed doors, maybe even with your favourite whore, you're unlikely to ever know.

[Roland D Hay]

It's because of the hysteria that accompanies this taboo word "bareback", that I bet 90% of it goes un-reported.

Majority of the BB AW profiles out there are PG scams or whatever. The REAL barebacks going on largely un-reported, behind closed doors, maybe even with your favourite whore, you're unlikely to ever know.

That's a concern and it's also one of the reasons that most of us choose to wear condoms.

[smiths]

So there I was browsing AW and noticed more and more EE are offering bareback services. My initial though is you are crazy! But then I have to think about my sexual encounters (non punting) and I have to say I have had over 20 encounters with girls where I have not used protection! To me I didn't even give it a second thought! But as soon as you see this in the punting world.. Sirens appear and so forth.

Maybe its just my attitude (and ignorance) to think BB in private life is fine (obviously there are risks) but in the punting world...it is very taboo

For me personally I prefer BB because it is way more initimate

Firstly apart from in a relationship i dont BB civvies let alone WGs.

Secondly unless a civvie is cock mad and some Swingers sure are most are unlikely to fuck as many guys as most WGs. In addition i would think it likely at least some punters who punt BB with WGs do it with more than one so increasing the chances of infection.

I have no idea what my personal chances of getting infected by a WG are as they are either complete and virtual strangers who could be doing anything with anyone for all i know. So as not punting isnt an option i wish to take i punt on a risk to reward basis. For me BB is a never, the reward isnt worth the risk to me. OWO though is essential at a 121 punt because OW does literally nothing for me. Obviously if i were to catch a nasty i might think again about OW.

Punting isnt for the squeamish in my view, if a punter is more worried about the risks than the rewards my advice is to take up only wanking or that and pulling instead. I look after my own health and believe no one i dont knows word doing to the GUM quartely.

[vorian]

Punting isnt for the squeamish in my view, if a punter is more worried about the risks than the rewards my advice is to take up only wanking or that and pulling instead.

Best quote of the week so far imho. 

[the pussy man]

 I'm the same.  In my private life I never wore condoms, at least not unless the girl asked me to, when of course I would.  I just assumed everyone was on the pill, and if they weren't they'd ask me to suit up...  Never worried about STDs although I did get tested a number of times.

Main difference is I was always wasted when I got random pulls so wasn't risk averse at all.  And with a girlfriend if never want to wear a johny.

Wouldn't do it with a WG tho as the risk is higher

[Strawberry]

I'm the same.  In my private life I never wore condoms, at least not unless the girl asked me to, when of course I would.  I just assumed everyone was on the pill, and if they weren't they'd ask me to suit up...  Never worried about STDs although I did get tested a number of times.

Main difference is I was always wasted when I got random pulls so wasn't risk averse at all.  And with a girlfriend if never want to wear a johny.

Wouldn't do it with a WG tho as the risk is higher

My experience was that in non-paid sex attitudes are a bit lax on condom usage, with most blokes preferring not to use condoms. On the paid scene there's much more vigilance and respect, probably because of the boundaries which are created by the 'business agreement' and a higher level of recognition of the risks.

[rogerc23]

You're totally missing the point   

Nobody says it's the same, but that both involve a degree of risk. That is the difference. If you stick your knob in a prossie's mouth you risk catching STDs, just as you do when you stick it in her pussy. One is riskier than the other, but that's what it boils down to. You make your own call about risk vs reward and others make there's.

Do you understand now? 

You say owo is "arguably"less risky than bb,there is no argument it is less risky full stop. If you cant see the difference between getting something unpleasant like chlaymidia which will be cured by a few tablets and something like hiv then i dont think we will ever agree on this one!

[Daffodil]

You say owo is "arguably"less risky than bb,there is no argument it is less risky full stop. If you cant see the difference between getting something unpleasant like chlaymidia which will be cured by a few tablets and something like hiv then i dont think we will ever agree on this one!

'Arguably' because the data surrounding anything sex related is fundamentally flawed because people lie about their sexual practices.

HIV is difficult to catch. I posted the risks sometime ago, but it's something like 1 in a 1000 to contract it from putting your dick in a pussy. Multiply that by the risk that a prossie actually has HIV and you're getting pretty small numbers. There are also cases of people contracting the disease from oral without. So, as I say, it's a difference in risk. That is all.

HIV now is managed more like a chronic disease with those infected having a near-normal life expectancy. Clearly you still don't want it, but I can tell you that my life would be pretty fucked if I did catch a 'minor' STD like chlamydia. Partner would find out, relationship over, assets divided, etc. To be so hung up on just HIV is naive.

My point is that all sexual contact of an unprotected nature (even protected, because protection does fail) carries risk. It is your decision where you draw the line, but to castigate others? Hypocritical in my view 

[Roland D Hay]

'Arguably' because the data surrounding anything sex related is fundamentally flawed because people lie about their sexual practices.

HIV is difficult to catch. I posted the risks sometime ago, but it's something like 1 in a 1000 to contract it from putting your dick in a pussy. Multiply that by the risk that a prossie actually has HIV and you're getting pretty small numbers.


 Hypocritical in my view 

That's an interesting perspective... you can't trust statistical data because people lie about their sexual practices, however the same people tend to then tell the truth when used in reference to your data. You've just given the perfect example to define the word hypocrite. 

[Daffodil]

That's an interesting perspective... you can't trust statistical data because people lie about their sexual practices, however the same people tend to then tell the truth when used in reference to your data. You've just given the perfect example to define the word hypocrite. 

The data might be flawed, but it is the only data we have. I am happy to use it, until something better comes along, but also understand its weaknesses.

If you think that's hypocritical then I suggest that makes you a fool 

[Roland D Hay]

The data might be flawed, but it is the only data we have. I am happy to use it, until something better comes along, but also understand its weaknesses.

If you think that's hypocritical then I suggest that makes you a fool 

Ah of course, only you could possibly understand the weaknesses in the data and therefore can use it to your advantage. You have found the magic formula for never being wrong! Well done!

 I'm self aware enough to know when I'm being a fool, you apparently are not. 

[Daffodil]

Ah of course, only you could possibly understand the weaknesses in the data and therefore can use it to your advantage. You have found the magic formula for never being wrong! Well done!

 I'm self aware enough to know when I'm being a fool, you apparently are not. 

Didn't say that, did I? I said that I'm aware of the limitations of the data, but can use it with caution. Where did I say only I could understand it?

You tried to make out I was a hypocrite for using data that I'm also aware has weaknesses. I'd already stated in the post that you can argue about the data, but didn't say you can't use it because it has some pitfalls.

So should I not use the best available data and just go on hearsay and scare-mongering? Or should I believe the data 100% and never question it?

The balanced view that I have adopted does not make me a hypocrite, but you trying to claim that it does, does make you a fool 

[Roland D Hay]

Didn't say that, did I? I said that I'm aware of the limitations of the data, but can use it with caution. Where did I say only I could understand it?

You tried to make out I was a hypocrite for using data that I'm also aware has weaknesses. I'd already stated in the post that you can argue about the data, but didn't say you can't use it because it has some pitfalls.

So should I not use the best available data and just go on hearsay and scare-mongering? Or should I believe the data 100% and never question it?

The balanced view that I have adopted does not make me a hypocrite, but you trying to claim that it does, does make you a fool 

Very amusing, as I said, well done! 

[Daffodil]

Very amusing, as I said, well done! 

No problem, happy to educate you 

[Roland D Hay]

No problem, happy to educate you 

Again, very amusing, well done! 

[rogerc23]

'Arguably' because the data surrounding anything sex related is fundamentally flawed because people lie about their sexual practices.

HIV is difficult to catch. I posted the risks sometime ago, but it's something like 1 in a 1000 to contract it from putting your dick in a pussy. Multiply that by the risk that a prossie actually has HIV and you're getting pretty small numbers. There are also cases of people contracting the disease from oral without. So, as I say, it's a difference in risk. That is all.

HIV now is managed more like a chronic disease with those infected having a near-normal life expectancy. Clearly you still don't want it, but I can tell you that my life would be pretty fucked if I did catch a 'minor' STD like chlamydia. Partner would find out, relationship over, assets divided, etc. To be so hung up on just HIV is naive.

My point is that all sexual contact of an unprotected nature (even protected, because protection does fail) carries risk. It is your decision where you draw the line, but to castigate others? Hypocritical in my view 

Not castigating anyone,totally agree everything is a risk just dont think owo and bb should be lumped together as you are "arguably" implying...
On your second point if you did get chlaymidia or something else would you not just get down the clinic and think of a creative excuse to avoid sex with the mrs??

[Daffodil]

Not castigating anyone,totally agree everything is a risk just dont think owo and bb should be lumped together as you are "arguably" implying...
On your second point if you did get chlaymidia or something else would you not just get down the clinic and think of a creative excuse to avoid sex with the mrs??

'Arguably' was in relation to all STDs (herpes, chlamydia, etc.) and not just HIV. Even then I'd popped it in brackets, it was more to make the point that the data has flaws. The only cases of a punter getting an STD that I have seen on here have been from owo. However I accept those who bb and catch something would be less likely to say.

Whilst I don't think it's the same I think it's important to highlight the risk of catching something from owo is higher than most people probably think.

I have sex pretty frequent outside of punting so it would be tricky to 'get creative' every time I punt and have owo until I get a check up. Don't forget you can be infected and not have symptoms.

[TeasingTanya24]

i must be a really snobby wg then as i refuse too see punters who openly admit too seeing someone bb who offers bb or i see it on there feedback its a nasty web! theres girls in my town do it but arent thinking that passing there germs arounds means they could get passed too other girls there nothing more than selfish tramps!

would you see a girl if she openly had warts? im guessing not but you will stick your cock in her bb because it looks ok reality most stis cant not be seen nor recognised unless HIV now comes in a glowing green form that i just dont know about yet.............

[Corus Boy]

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[Straife]

i must be a really snobby wg then as i refuse too see punters who openly admit too seeing someone bb who offers bb or i see it on there feedback its a nasty web! theres girls in my town do it but arent thinking that passing there germs arounds means they could get passed too other girls there nothing more than selfish tramps!

would you see a girl if she openly had warts? im guessing not but you will stick your cock in her bb because it looks ok reality most stis cant not be seen nor recognised unless HIV now comes in a glowing green form that i just dont know about yet.............

How about typing in understandable English? No one can understand what you're saying 

[finn5555]

How about typing in understandable English? No one can understand what you're saying 

Don't pick on Tanya she is educated and has an ology 

[Corus Boy]

Don't pick on Tanya she is educated and has an ology 

Would it be proctology 

[Persie]

'Arguably' because the data surrounding anything sex related is fundamentally flawed because people lie about their sexual practices.

HIV is difficult to catch. I posted the risks sometime ago, but it's something like 1 in a 1000 to contract it from putting your dick in a pussy. Multiply that by the risk that a prossie actually has HIV and you're getting pretty small numbers. There are also cases of people contracting the disease from oral without. So, as I say, it's a difference in risk. That is all.

HIV now is managed more like a chronic disease with those infected having a near-normal life expectancy. Clearly you still don't want it, but I can tell you that my life would be pretty fucked if I did catch a 'minor' STD like chlamydia. Partner would find out, relationship over, assets divided, etc. To be so hung up on just HIV is naive.

My point is that all sexual contact of an unprotected nature (even protected, because protection does fail) carries risk. It is your decision where you draw the line, but to castigate others? Hypocritical in my view 

I get what you are saying now but you are probably defining risk differently from most; i expect the risk is defined as the health risk.....getting HIV and poppping 50 muti-oloured tablets every day compared to getting the clap is not quite the same

[Persie]

Would it be proctology 

Sucking-cock-ology....

[CoolTiger]

Don't pick on Tanya she is educated and has an ology 

That brings back memories.... Beattie!!

Anyone care to pull that ad from the vaults??

[Deepstroker]

Well as its almost Feb 14th 2015 and i was skimming this thread, i thought i might as well kick start it back into life.

Whenever BB is talked about the same standard replies are trotted out. There really is no need to trot them out again again and again for we all know what the risks are.

One question i ask is,,if you meet a girl who isnt a working girl,eventually get all luvdup with her and are about to get physical, do you both then stop, have an incredibly adult conversation,dampen your ardour and both go for a full MoT down at the clinic plus a repeat visit a few weeks later to make allowances for incubation periods and then and only then,make a 1 to 1 commitment and on the all clear, finally get your dick wet in her?

I'll guess that doesnt happen most of the time...

Now it has been years since i punted. I just kinda got fed up with it though i do still browse and read.

I have to say that in the past and in future it wouldnt be my way to even look at an escort who openly offered BB.

In fact, when i browse any of the girls on AW now,,for some reason, i just am not tempted,nor do i fancy any of them. True i might get the horn but they stay just as wankware.

I guess ive just gotten over it?

Anyway back to the story, I was never a regular punter..very infrequent..and that was maybe more than 5 years back when we didnt have the constant crop of EEs and fake profiles we have now.

So the WGs available were usually fairly well known on the scene.

I now confess that i can think of four occasions when i visited 4 separate such WGs. On each occasion the punt started off just like any other,,exchange cash,smoochy smoochy undress foreplay,,etc,,,on with the condom..shag shag shag but on all occasions, the WGs said/motioned/asked me to take it off and fuck them BB.

One of those ladies,,i saw her a couple of times..the first few times it was all above board with condom. The third time we were both naked and really getting down to it,in the mish,,i had a serious hard on and i was ready to be bagged up. She just opened her legs wide and guided me inside her.

These were all WGs who i would class as escorts who worked from their own homes/apartments etc..not street or parlour.

I'm not condoning,defending or anything like that...I'm just relating what happened.

Afterwards of course i was worried as hell/guilt tripping but i got fully checked out after each occurrence and never flagged up as having anything or any symptoms.

Of course all the guilt and anxiety told on me and i suppose that and other things put me off punting..but i couldnt say a bad word about any of the ladies,,,they were all nice normal ladies with no edge or roughness about them. Just like someones wife,girlfriend, the girl on the checkout at the supermarket, the girl next door..

As i say,,no judgements or stating the obvious please..im just telling the tale,,thats all..

[Deepstroker]

oops-ignore..

[Steely Dan]

Just to go back to the maths of it, as most of you know, risk has two dimensions, probability and consequence.  Many refer to this but I thought it helpful to make it explicit.  The probability of HIV is low but the consequences are such that most say no way. (betting £5 on green on roulette is "risky"...so is buying a lottery ticket.  Shooting yourself with an imaginary gun that has 1000 spaces and one bullet is not really less "risky"....)  The news media gets this wrong all the time. Anyway....

It terms of overall attitude to BB and other behaviour, I wonder if it is an age thing?  When I was 18, the only fear was getting her pregnant.  So BB was fine (we thought) if she was on the pill.  Aids arrived, but that was for homos, haitians, or haemophiliacs.  BB was still OK.

Then one day, Aids became HIV/AIDS, and it was for all.  You die in agony, and everyone hates you.  Plus they still think you are gay.  No way, never ever for me.  I'm still there emotionally.  BB never ever for me today, not with anyone.

But it is not taboo.  We can talk about it.  Protected sex with your sister is taboo - don't even joke about it.  Doing BB and risking HIV and other STIs is not taboo - is just so unwise you really shouldn't do it.  It is not about the probability.  It is about the probability together with the consequence.

[StPunt]

ive been thinking about going oral with protection for a while when punting. Regards bb never done it never will

[Bluefin]

Whatever you think are the rights and wrongs of this,  am I the only one who thinks that sex with and without condom is like the difference between night and day.

[306]

just think of the girl who sucks your dick and lets you cum in her mouth
and the girl who says condom on to suck dick .
they made that choice for a reason you can and will make your own choice on bb