Do you see black guys?

[Atrueyorkie]

The reason I used the word coloured was as a catch all description for anyone who thinks they might fall foul of a 'no blacks' policy, only Brixton and it would seem you, think it was anything other. I do not expect anyone in that situation to describe themselves as coloured, as with the ages I mentioned I would expect whoever is contacting an SP to use whatever age or ethnicity they choose.

I will not be commenting any further on this matter, the thread has been derailed too much as it is.

BTW there is nobody beneath me, all mods are equal but we all look at post reports.

When I mentioned an interest of who would review your self report it was interest if it would be reviewed like anyone else, without bias. I agree fundamentally a mod is a mod. The highlight was to ensure it was reviewed without any bias or fear of backlash. It’s standard practice even in work places to have someone with a more elevated position to review things such as this. A report or complaint etc.

Just because only two people say something does not invalidate it. If something is wrong, it’s wrong.

It’s all about just educating, ignorance can be due to just not knowing facts or history.

Nobody in their right mind would use that term if they were of that background.

I get you won’t respond and I am too wary of things going on buts it’s important to educate, and while it’s a forum to comment, topics such as this and topics we all know will keep popping up will circulate.

That’s it really, we’re all united in punting 

[Trex]

That’s it really, we’re all united in punting 

Exactly, I never discuss politics, race and religion on here, no point of it, I’m here for Punting and get information about SP or take one for the team.

[BrixtonBrewers]

But I know many girls who don’t see black men, not because of their skin colour or because they simply assume they are more dangerous, as people here keep suggesting, but because they are concerned about them being more well-endowed, especially if the SP herself is petite.

This is even more relevant for girls who see a high number of clients each day, such as those offering 15-minute appointments. Restricting certain ethnicities can reduce the chances of seeing too many clients with larger penises, so they can continue seeing more clients without having to take a day off because they’re sore or sensitive.

Sometimes the explanation is much simpler than we assume.

There was a comment earlier in the thread about an SP who did not see black men because they once got robbed/had a bad experience with a black client, and another SP in here then said that the policy is usually about girls 'feeling safe'. This is mainly based on the assumption that black clients are more likely to be dangerous.

Also - assuming that a black client is going to have a big dick and leave a girl feeling sore is also racist. It would probably make about as much sense to start putting a height limitation in or something if that's the genuine reason.

[Fitsarahgfe]

Also - assuming that a black client is going to have a big dick and leave a girl feeling sore is also racist.

Can’t even give a race a compliment without being called racist nowadays… 
I always thought Italians were good cooks, but it turns out that I’m probably just a xenophobe.

[cokey11]

All of this can so easily be helped if AW changed their T&C's so that SP can list their preferred ethnicities.

Right now its so cloak and dagger that I have to look for certain signs on their profile to signal that they most likely don't see black guys (i.e. you must call to book, I don't see just anyone etc).

[BrixtonBrewers]

Can’t even give a race a compliment without being called racist nowadays… 
I always thought Italians were good cooks, but it turns out that I’m probably just a xenophobe.

It's not a compliment. I can't be bothered to explain right now but you can easily google this if you don't understand why. It's good to be aware of these things.

[daviemac]

All of this can so easily be helped if AW changed their T&C's so that SP can list their preferred ethnicities.

Right now its so cloak and dagger that I have to look for certain signs on their profile to signal that they most likely don't see black guys (i.e. you must call to book, I don't see just anyone etc).

Recognised ethnic groups as per the 2021 census.

1. 2021 Census
The main changes to the 2021 Census of England and Wales, compared with the previous Census, were:

the ‘Roma’ group was added under the ‘White’ ethnic group
a write-in response was added for the ‘Black African’ ethnic group
The ethnic groups were:

Asian or Asian British
Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Any other Asian background

Black, Black British, Caribbean or African
Caribbean
African
Any other Black, Black British, or Caribbean background

Mixed or multiple ethnic groups
White and Black Caribbean
White and Black African
White and Asian
Any other Mixed or multiple ethnic background

White
English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British
Irish
Gypsy or Irish Traveller
Roma
Any other White background

Other ethnic group
Arab
Any other ethnic group
In Wales, ‘Welsh’ is the first option in the White category.

[LLPunting]

Can’t even give a race a compliment without being called racist nowadays… 
I always thought Italians were good cooks, but it turns out that I’m probably just a xenophobe.

Even if it might be unsupported by "science", well demographics
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[Fitsarahgfe]

It's not a compliment. I can't be bothered to explain right now but you can easily google this if you don't understand why. It's good to be aware of these things.

Google sarcasm. I just feel like you’re reaching for reasons to criticise WGs at this point.

[BrixtonBrewers]

Google sarcasm. I just feel like you’re reaching for reasons to criticise WGs at this point.

You weren't being sarcastic when you suggested it was a compliment. You might need to google sarcasm yourself.

I'm not specifically criticising WG's, but critical of the generalising and stereotyping that's been happening in this thread, some of which has been done by punters too.

[Fitsarahgfe]

You weren't being sarcastic when you suggested it was a compliment. You might need to google sarcasm yourself.

I'm not specifically criticising WG's, but critical of the generalising and stereotyping that's been happening in this thread, some of which has been done by punters too.

Thank you for knowing my intentions better than I do.

(The above is sarcastic too).

[BrixtonBrewers]

Thank you for knowing my intentions better than I do.

(The above is sarcastic too).

Well done to you for successfully using sarcasm properly on this occasion.

You must have actually googled it. A lot of people getting educated in this thread it's been great 

[daviemac]

A lot of people getting educated in this thread it's been great 

Just a pity you can't accept the education and stop trying to find things to get offended about.

Your last 10 posts have been on this thread.   

[BrixtonBrewers]

Just a pity you can't accept the education and stop trying to find things to get offended about.

Your last 10 posts have been on this thread.   

You think that me having an issue with racial stereotypes is 'trying to find things to be offended about'?... From what I recall you are the only one in the thread who has said they were offended by anything that's been said.

I haven't commented further on the other issue we discussed as to not derail the thread like you said. Now I'm talking specifically about the subject of the thread and it still seems to be an issue to you.

Do you have a recommended number of times a member should post in a thread without posting in another?

[daviemac]

Do you have a recommended number of times a member should post in a thread without posting in another?

Not at all, members are free to be as obsessed as they like, but I do respond to post reports.

Edit

I should add that to me you're obsession stems from your inability to accept that other people see things differently to you and think that escorts are free to see whoever they like for whatever reason without being called racist.

[Atrueyorkie]

Not at all, members are free to be as obsessed as they like, but I do respond to post reports.

Edit

I should add that to me you're obsession stems from your inability to accept that other people see things differently to you and think that escorts are free to see whoever they like for whatever reason without being called racist.

Talking about reports, what was the outcome of your self report one?

[BrixtonBrewers]

but I do respond to post reports

Is this your way of telling me my post was reported?

your inability to accept that other people see things differently to you

Interestingly, based on our previous conversation in this thread I think you have the exact same inability.

think that escorts are free to see whoever they like for whatever reason without being called racist

Nobody has been called a racist in the thread or said that racism is the only reason for some SPs to have these policies. I've pointed out that a couple of the stereotypes and generalisations that have been made in this discussion are racist, which was totally going over the heads of those that were making the comments.

[daviemac]

Talking about reports, what was the outcome of your self report one?

We only reply when there's a need to rely and there was no need to reply as it was accepted in the context it was meant.

[Atrueyorkie]

We only reply when there's a need to rely and there was no need to reply as it was accepted in the context it was meant.

Okay odd was expecting an actual comment from the owner on the thread to say the outcome of the report.

Bit wild as it alludes that using an offensive racially charged word  is acceptable.

[Atrueyorkie]

 

No further comments from me, everyone enjoy the rest of your day.

[daviemac]

Is this your way of telling me my post was reported?

Yes, not everyone agrees with you or what you post.

As with any post report we decide what action if any we need to take and that can range from none at all to a comment or further action.

[daviemac]

Okay odd was expecting an actual comment from the owner on the thread to say the outcome of the report.

Bit wild as it alludes that using an offensive racially charged word  is acceptable.

That's your opinion, not necessarily a fact. It's all down to context and if it's directed at an individual and a judge has ruled that in the right context it is not racist.

[BrixtonBrewers]

Yes, not everyone agrees with you or what you post.

As with any post report we decide what action if any we need to take and that can range from none at all to a comment or further action.

May I ask what the grounds for the report were?

[daviemac]

May I ask what the grounds for the report were?

No, post reports are totally confidential, however the comment I made was "stop trying to find things to get offended about." No matter what anyone says you want to find something offensive in it. You pick up on the most innocuous term or post and turn it into something you see as deliberately offensive even when no offence is there and no matter what anyone says you deem yourself to be right.

[Iloveoral]

To clarify also, when posts are reported, the whole team including the site owner views them to respond.
There was no issue with Davies self report found.

[BrixtonBrewers]

You pick up on the most innocuous term or post.

Innocuous in your opinion.

[90125]

Innocuous in your opinion.

It’s time you left this Topic alone.

[BrixtonBrewers]

It’s time you left this Topic alone.

 

[Doc Holliday]

This discussion will never reach either a consensus or satisfactory conclusion. All it leads to is unnecessary confrontation, even leading to members being banned. Chill out and move on.

'Mystic Doc' strikes again 

If only I could predict the lottery numbers.

When this topic occurs again (which it will) bookmark this page to warn people that two members, who thought they knew better and suffered with 'lastworditis', almost got banned .. and neither of them was a moderator.

[daviemac]

'Mystic Doc' strikes again 

If only I could predict the lottery numbers.

When this topic occurs again (which it will) bookmark this page to warn people that two members, who thought they knew better and suffered with 'lastworditis', almost got banned .. and neither of them was a moderator.

Again very wise words Doc.

Going off the posts on this thread I get the impression some people don't realise that the mods work as a collective not as individuals and just because only one is posting doesn't mean the rest of the team are unaware of what's going on.

We do ternd to leave it to the one posting until, like on this thread, it gets to the point where members can't accept what is being said.

[CD2589]

My personal opinion after all these years is that, when it comes to us SPs, it’s often much more about personal experiences than race, skin colour, etc.

Of course there are exceptions, but in my opinion it’s usually related to something we’ve experienced ourselves or heard from other girls. As people have already mentioned here about Romanians, there are many “urban legends” among SPs about certain nationalities.

Maybe it just isn’t discussed as openly, but if I have a bad experience with someone from a particular nationality, of course the next time someone contacts me using a number from that country, I’m going to wonder, “Will he be the same?”

I also disagree that only black men are “excluded”. I know many Brazilian girls, for example, who don’t see Brazilian or Latino clients, even though they are Latina themselves.

I come from a multicultural country, and when I started working in Europe and began receiving messages like, “Hi, I’m black. Do you see black men?”, I have to admit I was surprised. I have brown skin myself, so I assumed it was kind of understood that brown women would be open to seeing brown men.

But I know many girls who don’t see black men, not because of their skin colour or because they simply assume they are more dangerous, as people here keep suggesting, but because they are concerned about them being more well-endowed, especially if the SP herself is petite.

This is even more relevant for girls who see a high number of clients each day, such as those offering 15-minute appointments. Restricting certain ethnicities can reduce the chances of seeing too many clients with larger penises, so they can continue seeing more clients without having to take a day off because they’re sore or sensitive.

Sometimes the explanation is much simpler than we assume.

Smashed it with this post, after shifting through the pettiness this for me is what it comes down to, especially the bolded. Im a black punter myself (36) in the midlands ive been very niave in my earlier days (only started in 2021). Sorting a punt and just turning up and not saying what my race was playing it close to the edge of having the door closed as soon as i turned up. This was with roms,thai and brazilians but i did make sure i was presentable, descent aftershave, descent dress sense and i actually sound like a brit. I don't sound like ive just come off a plane or boat from South asian or black countries(no offence). I do make it known if they see black guys and how big i am now.

I think thats just the cards were dealt with unfortunately. We have alot of negative connotations and if were having sex with non black women then they have to be particularly careful how they punt with us due to navigating there workload and potential damage if the breh is just going HAM (If he has a big one of course). Is it racist, yep but this is a white mans sport. Non white punters are playing different game in some respects and we have to realise were viewed negatively.

Ive warned of my asian friends not to go to Amsterdam . There's been comments coming out of there that they do not see non whites a majority of the time. The films or tv series have always romanticed that place but only one demo is suitable for the RD. I mean people get blind sided by the IR side in this country (WW/BM couples) and think the same applies in the escort industry, it really doesn't and regardless of this bogus claim that WM will be a minority in there country in 2050. Escorts will still say no to non whites 

Its a interesting conco and i do remember researching past topics from black punters. I only dip my toe into punting when the stars align, there's no way i could do this shit constantly like white men, To constantly plead your case to be worthy of the potential of sex day in day out would mentally drain me.

[Jadelux]

Smashed it with this post, after shifting through the pettiness this for me is what it comes down to, especially the bolded.

I’m glad someone understood what I was actually trying to say. My previous comment seems to have been interpreted as racist by some, which was never my intention. It would be rather ironic for a brown-skinned Latina to be seen that way.

As an SP, I obviously can’t speak for everyone, but I do know quite a few girls in the industry and I know the sort of things that get discussed on our side. There are always “myths” and stories passed around between SPs about certain clients, practices and experiences.

Before coming to London, for example, I genuinely thought it would be one of the most dangerous places in the world to work, based on stories and experiences I’d heard from girls I knew. With time and experience, you learn to make up your own mind and understand that everyone is an individual.

The same goes for refusals. Of course prejudice can exist, but sometimes a refusal simply comes down to personal preferences or boundaries. I don’t think every refusal should automatically be interpreted in the same way, or mean that a Black man can’t enjoy this hobby like anyone else.

This hobby is expensive in more ways than one. It takes money, time, research, flexibility and sometimes travelling. I think it’s much simpler for a punter to know beforehand that a particular SP isn’t interested than to waste his time and money on an experience that isn’t right for either of them.

And that’s actually one of the things I find most interesting about this world: we can be frank about what we want and what we’re comfortable with. After all, on a normal date you can hardly introduce yourself with: “Hi, nice to meet you… I’ve got 22cm, do you do deep throat?” 

[koshkaj]

Is it racist, yep but this is a white mans sport.

This is an interesting point of view. I wonder if others also share it?

I only dip my toe into punting when the stars align, there's no way i could do this shit constantly like white men, To constantly plead your case to be worthy of the potential of sex day in day out would mentally drain me.

i did touch on this in a previous post. i think this is the first confirmation i have seen from someone affected by it. I doubt those to whom it does not apply consider this aspect.

[cokey11]

This is an interesting point of view. I wonder if others also share it?

I have to agree with CD2589 whole heartedly with that statement. The rules of engagement are vastly different and it throws all of the Political correctness out of the window for what things really are.

[LLPunting]

I have to agree with CD2589 whole heartedly with that statement. The rules of engagement are vastly different and it throws all of the Political correctness out of the window for what things really are.

Is it worse than on the dating market?

[slapstick69]

As a black man, I couldn’t give a rats bum if a WG doesn’t see black men. I will just avoid, I respect preference, some women are not comfortable with it and that’s there right if I’m honest. Recently in my comms if they don’t ask my ethnicity, I state it just to avoid waisted journeys

[cokey11]

Is it worse than on the dating market?

I think so. On the dating market women don't tend to actively say I don't see Black people as that would be frowned upon. Its often phrased or handled differently (i.e your not my type or whatever clean way of letting you down, without you knowing for sure what the real issue is)

Whereas here its straight to the point no messing around and the patterns are clear.

I'm not hating or complaining about this, far from it, it is what it is.

[cokey11]

As a black man, I couldn’t give a rats bum if a WG doesn’t see black men. I will just avoid, I respect preference, some women are not comfortable with it and that’s there right if I’m honest. Recently in my comms if they don’t ask my ethnicity, I state it just to avoid waisted journeys

Agreed I'm the same way. I'm curious, would you see a WG if she previously had a NBA and it was known but has been lifted?