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Offline cryptopanda

I couldn't find a post, so forgive me if its been asked before, but has there ever been a "Ranking/ Rating" system on this forum?

Before West Yorkshire Sex Group was shut down, it had a very decent table ranking Massage places and WG's all around Yorkshire. It listed the cost, whether it was low or high, the quality of the punt and also attached the latest reviews. It basically took those every review and turned into an average.

It was very good for at a glance information.

I'm not sure how difficult a ranking system would be to implement on this old platform, but it would be good to see something like this implemented.

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There is a rating system. Positive, neutral, negative.
Furthermore there is a summary plus Review Score for every AW-indexed SP. For example.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=19354

Offline RandomGuy99

I don't think we want a top 50 chart of SPs as we all like different things, so it would be subjective and encourage gaming and rivalry from the SPs to be #1.

There is room for all good SPs in the market and they have their own niches, so competition is a bit pointless.

Offline cryptopanda

Those are good, i didn't know about the AW indexing though (handy to know), but I'm thinking more of a Average review rating that also includes Massage Parlours.

e.g.

Review for "Banana Jerkers" Thai massage Parlour

Ted scores: 10 for costs, 5 for Service
John scores: 9 for cost, 7 for Service
Paul scores 5 for Costs and 10 for Service

Then the massage parlour would score 8 for Cost and 7.3 for Service.

Something along those lines. Is that a ball ache to do?

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Those are good, i didn't know about the AW indexing though (handy to know), but I'm thinking more of a Average review rating that also includes Massage Parlours.

e.g.

Review for "Banana Jerkers" Thai massage Parlour

Ted scores: 10 for costs, 5 for Service
John scores: 9 for cost, 7 for Service
Paul scores 5 for Costs and 10 for Service

Then the massage parlour would score 8 for Cost and 7.3 for Service.

Something along those lines. Is that a ball ache to do?
I think you should concentrate on making some useful contributions to the site the way it has successfully operated for many years by way of reviews rather that try to get us to emulate other sites that have failed as a result of the way they were run.

Offline cryptopanda

I think you should concentrate on making some useful contributions to the site the way it has successfully operated for many years by way of reviews rather that try to get us to emulate other sites that have failed as a result of the way they were run.

Noted.

Offline cryptopanda

I don't think we want a top 50 chart of SPs as we all like different things, so it would be subjective and encourage gaming and rivalry from the SPs to be #1.

There is room for all good SPs in the market and they have their own niches, so competition is a bit pointless.

Fair enough

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Down to the practicalities of this
The forum software is already heavily bespoked to allow the current review system, I can see the Admin team not being keen on making it even more non-standard
We have discussed similar ideas in the past, and it's been a "no" each time

Offline mr.bluesky

I think you should concentrate on making some useful contributions to the site the way it has successfully operated for many years by way of reviews rather that try to get us to emulate other sites that have failed as a result of the way they were run.

If it ain't broke don't fix it  :unknown:

Offline TomTank

If it ain't broke don't fix it  :unknown:

I worked in a place where a production engineer once started a presentation with

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If it ain't broke don't fix it" is the worst maintenance strategy you can go with

Offline alabama1

Quote
If it ain't broke don't fix it" is the worst maintenance strategy you can go with

I think the sentiment behind this quote is ...If it's working ok, don't change it.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2025, 07:30:33 am by Iloveoral »

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I worked in a place where a production engineer once started a presentation with
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If it ain't broke don't fix it" is the worst maintenance strategy you can go with
How would it be implemented? AW reviews are indexed and the running total is updated automatically. VS, Gumtree and independent adverts can't be indexed so the scores given by each individual reviewer would have to be entered manually.

Improvements have been made to the site over the years including the introduction of the neutral review rating but OldAdmin tried for years to find a way of indexing VS advert and it can't be done.

I personally can't see the advantage to justify the work involved to implement the OP's suggestion.

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How would it be implemented? AW reviews are indexed and the running total is updated automatically. VS, Gumtree and independent adverts can't be indexed so the scores given by each individual reviewer would have to be entered manually.

Improvements have been made to the site over the years including the introduction of the neutral review rating but OldAdmin tried for years to find a way of indexing VS advert and it can't be done.

I personally can't see the advantage to justify the work involved to implement the OP's suggestion.

Just because I've made a comment about the phrase "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" that doesn't mean I support the OP's suggestion, which I don't .... it was just a light hearted observation re the phrase .....


Offline mr.bluesky

I think the sentiment behind this quote is ...If it's working ok, don't change it.

 :thumbsup: that's exactly what it means.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2025, 07:32:10 am by Iloveoral »

Offline jseop109

There's nothing to stop people including marks out of 10 in the body of the review. In fact some do  just that. But I think the most important thing is to include enough description for readers to assess whether the particular WG is for them.

Offline lewisjones23

A simple solution to anyone not agreeing with the current rating system.

Go out and set up your own punting website, with a rating/ranking/whatever you want to call it system.

Let us know how you get on 👍🏻

Offline myothernameis

I'm not sure how difficult a ranking system would be to implement on this old platform, but it would be good to see something like this implemented.

The current system of rating escorts, to me is perfect, so either positive, neutral or negative

In my work place we have yearly reviews about the work place, and we have around 7 options.  When we do out reviews, these 7 options cloud how we feel about work progress, but something like positive, neutral or negative, would be a lot more simpler to understand, by everyone

Offline PepeMAGA

The more reviews they get the more it becomes an aggregate score. If someone has 5 pos 5 neg that is very different to 5 pos only.
Don't see any value in anything more complex.

Offline Upsndowns79

To add my two penneth……

I like the 3 point scale as it’s very simple and like others have said if you see an SP with over 80% green ratio it’s a good indication vs an SP with a 50/50 split.

If I see a 50/50 split I generally don’t investigate further but even with an 80/20 split I still have a read of a few reviews as like others have said it’s horses for courses and a lot of the greens may indicated something that I might consider a neutral. Similarly I can forgive the occasional red card for cancelling or a booking not clicking for the punter etc etc but if there’s a few red with a common theme that I wouldn’t like then I’ll pass them by.

I do think it would be good to have some kind of league table though as there are lots of SP’s that don’t get lots of current reviews as punters think there’s little point in reviewing and saying what’s already been said and as a result these girls can we well hidden from view for newer members especially. Just my point of view.

Offline alabama1

To add my two penneth……

I like the 3 point scale as it’s very simple and like others have said if you see an SP with over 80% green ratio it’s a good indication vs an SP with a 50/50 split.

If I see a 50/50 split I generally don’t investigate further but even with an 80/20 split I still have a read of a few reviews as like others have said it’s horses for courses and a lot of the greens may indicated something that I might consider a neutral. Similarly I can forgive the occasional red card for cancelling or a booking not clicking for the punter etc etc but if there’s a few red with a common theme that I wouldn’t like then I’ll pass them by.

I do think it would be good to have some kind of league table though as there are lots of SP’s that don’t get lots of current reviews as punters think there’s little point in reviewing and saying what’s already been said and as a result these girls can we well hidden from view for newer members especially. Just my point of view.
And you know this for a fact ?  And how hard can it possibly be to chose an SP from reviews gathered here , that you are requesting a 'league table' to help you ??? Tell you what, i will find you an SP, come round to yours, pick you up, introduce you to the SP, then take you back home when you've done the deed.
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there are lots of SP’s that don’t get lots of current reviews as punters think there’s little point in reviewing and saying what’s already been said and as a result these girls can we well hidden from view for newer members especially. Just my point of view.

I just can't see how you would know this?

Unless it's a habit that you have, and assume others do the same?

No matter how many reviews a girl has, and no matter how alike a punt is for a member, another review just shows consistency across a wide range of members.

Offline Upsndowns79

Only going off what I have read……. I have often read things like “saw her last year but didn’t review as nothing to add that hasn’t been said before” type comments.

No im not guilty of this which if you looked at my reviews you would see. I’ve reviewed a long list of SP’s that have a large number of reviews.

As I said it’s only my opinion on what could make it easier to see well reviewed girls.

Offline myothernameis

I have often read things like “saw her last year but didn’t review as nothing to add that hasn’t been said before” type comments

The only thing I can think here, if there nothing new to add to a escorts review, we could at least say, something on the line of " This was a positive meet with the escort"


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Only going off what I have read……. I have often read things like “saw her last year but didn’t review as nothing to add that hasn’t been said before” type comments.

No im not guilty of this which if you looked at my reviews you would see. I’ve reviewed a long list of SP’s that have a large number of reviews.

As I said it’s only my opinion on what could make it easier to see well reviewed girls.
If that is said and it is reported then the mods will tell the poster in no uncertain terms that it's unacceptable to not review just because the SP has already been reviewed.

We make it very clear that every review has a value, the only exception is repeated reviews of the same SP by the same punter as that does not add value. Multiple reviews from different punters show that the SP provides a good service to all types of punters and not just one that they 'click' with.

A member making a statement that they have seen an escort but didn't review runs the risk of being put on the ban timer, without reviews the site wouldn't exist.

Offline Upsndowns79

If that is said and it is reported then the mods will tell the poster in no uncertain terms that it's unacceptable to not review just because the SP has already been reviewed.

We make it very clear that every review has a value, the only exception is repeated reviews of the same SP by the same punter as that does not add value. Multiple reviews from different punters show that the SP provides a good service to all types of punters and not just one that they 'click' with.

A member making a statement that they have seen an escort but didn't review runs the risk of being put on the ban timer, without reviews the site wouldn't exist.

I have often encouraged members to review for the reasons you state

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As I said it’s only my opinion on what could make it easier to see well reviewed girls.
As it would mean each reviewer including a rating score and then someone manually collating the data, how do you propose it's implemented.  :unknown:

Review are individual to the poster and we all have different writing styles so making a set format that includes a numbered rating score would put people off posting reviews and that would kill the site.


Offline Upsndowns79

As it would mean each reviewer including a rating score and then someone manually collating the data, how do you propose it's implemented.  :unknown:

Review are individual to the poster and we all have different writing styles so making a set format that includes a numbered rating score would put people off posting reviews and that would kill the site.

volume of positive reviews? Is probably the simplest methodology. As I explained I like the simple 3 point scale so no suggestion of change.

Whilst I agree that we are all different and individual in what we like the fact that there is a rating factor at all means that our opinion is useful.

I’m a fan of the site which is why I paid to become a member and see my role very much as a contributor. I appreciate greatly other peoples contributions in making my punting journey such a positive one.

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I think the review system we have works very well.

The Positive / Neutral / Negative ranking gives a really quick snapshot and summary across a wide range of punters.

The most important part for me is the body of the review, more than any ranking.

I have today booked a punt with an SP who has only one review on here, and it's negative. Having read the review, it hasn't put me off seeing her.

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volume of positive reviews? Is probably the simplest methodology. As I explained I like the simple 3 point scale so no suggestion of change.

Whilst I agree that we are all different and individual in what we like the fact that there is a rating factor at all means that our opinion is useful.

I’m a fan of the site which is why I paid to become a member and see my role very much as a contributor. I appreciate greatly other peoples contributions in making my punting journey such a positive one.
Nobody is answering the question I keep asking.

How would it work and be implemented.

Offline Upsndowns79

Nobody is answering the question I keep asking.

How would it work and be implemented.

I’m not sure what is and isn’t possible. We have stats for reviewers already available. Is it not possible to replicate for service providers with volume of positive reviews? It’s certainly not a perfect solution (I’m not sure what is?

Please don’t take my comments as criticism. As I said I like the scoring and value the site.

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I’m not sure what is and isn’t possible. We have stats for reviewers already available. Is it not possible to replicate for service providers with volume of positive reviews? It’s certainly not a perfect solution (I’m not sure what is?

Please don’t take my comments as criticism. As I said I like the scoring and value the site.

We can only index AW reviews,  that makes any ranking system partial.

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I’m not sure what is and isn’t possible.
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What isn't realistically possible is a way of linking reviews for non-Adultwork profiles.
As DavieMac said earlier, OldAdmin spent ages researching this and decided it was impractical.
The big underlying problem is that Vivastreet and other profiles are  transient: they are self-limiting in duration and usually expire after around 30 days upon which they are replaced with new profiles usually with new names, details and often photos.
So even if the programming was changed to enable indexing of non-AW profiles it would be a total waste of time as there would be no link between each months set of profiles. So without being able to index and link the profiles, compiling any form of cumulative score ranking becomes impossible.
And before anyone suggests replacing the forum software with something newer........that would mean abandoning the whole site history, all ~14 years (or whatever) and starting from a blank sheet. Totally impractical

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All good and thanks to the Mods and Helpers for the work they do in helping to index SP’s without this it would be almost impossible to get a rounded view of an SP.

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I’m not sure what is and isn’t possible. We have stats for reviewers already available. Is it not possible to replicate for service providers with volume of positive reviews? It’s certainly not a perfect solution (I’m not sure what is?

Please don’t take my comments as criticism. As I said I like the scoring and value the site.
I'm not taking anything as a criticism, I'm trying to get those who support the idea to give an indication of how it would work.

Stats for members are easy, they're registered on the site, when a member posts in certain areas (not all) their post count goes up, when they post a review their review count goes up etc. How can we collate information for service providers who aren't registered on the site? how can we gather a rating score that's posted somewhere within a review?

The AW indexing system works on the SP's AW number not the name but even they don't work with the new beta site links, the mods have to change them to the original desktop version and once an SP is registered on AW their number doesn't change, even if they change their name the number stays the same.

The other two main advertisers, VS and GT both use advert ID numbers which change when the SP's renew their adverts. Then there's the 100's of agencies and SP's with their own websites.

Then there's the issue of how accurate would the ratings be unless every reviewer gives a score? and you can't force people to put something in a review they don't want to put in.

Regardless of whether or not it's possible for the forum software to automatically collect the information, the bottom line is we have enough of a job getting members to follow the very basic requirements of a review such as including the duration booked, price paid, link to the contact details and to only put the SP's name and location it the title so how do we force them to post a rating. Loads of reviews get moved to discussions for a lack of details, do you suggest in future we move any without a rating score but all other details to discussions?

It has been suggested in the past that we have a standard format for reviews that all reviewers follow but that was deemed to be unworkable and would stop some members posting reviews, we are all individuals and express ourselves differently, just look at the reviews, they range from those that give a full description of the booking in a few lines to others that are full on 'Mills and Boon' descriptions, both and all in between are equally valuable.


Offline jgillis

I've spent my whole career working on messy data problems. This issue is a rooted in a class known as cross-vendor keyspace matching. The challenge arises frequently in industry - particularly in areas like supply chain and manufacturing, where multiple vendors are involved.

Below are some brief notes of the kind I would typically provide to a client - often followed by a quote. BTW, I am not advocating that this is implemented - just addressing the "how to" question.

Use Case

At its core, the problem is about identifying the same real-world entity across multiple independent keyspaces. Solving this enables a unified view of that entity across all the disparate systems and data sources in which it appears.

Key Extraction

The first task is extracting a vendor-specific key - often from a structured artifact like a URL. While this is usually straightforward, it requires vendor-specific knowledge, meaning the complexity scales linearly with the number of vendors involved.


Temporal Stability

Next, you need to assess how stable a vendor's keys are over time. Some vendors rotate or recycle keys regularly, making them unreliable for long-term reference. Others maintain stable keys for years. Stability is often linked to how much a vendor has invested in their key infrastructure - low-investment keys tend to be more volatile.

  • adultwork - high stability - key investment to maintain profile reputation
  • houseofdivine - high / med - key investment to maintain their own review index
  • divaescort - med - minor investment in keyspace
  • vivastreet - low - zero investment in keyspace

Redirections

In some cases, a vendor will replace an old key with a new one. Ideally, this is communicated clearly - e.g., via HTTP redirects or update notices. If not, you'll need to discover and track key migrations manually. Some old keys may still be honored and redirect correctly, while others may expire and return nothing useful. Systems must be designed to handle redirection gracefully, including maintaining historical key mappings. This is already implemented, in part, for one vendor.


Intra-Vendor Duplication

This occurs when the same entity appears multiple times within a single vendor's system, each with a different key. This is often the result of poor data hygiene, but must be detected and resolved all the same.


Inter-Vendor Duplication

This is when the same entity exists across multiple vendors, each with its own key. Unlike intra-vendor duplication, this is usually legitimate, but it still needs to be identified and reconciled.


Conclusion

Cross-vendor keyspace matching is a non-trivial undertaking. It requires an upfront investment to bootstrap and an ongoing commitment to maintain.

The decision to solve this problem should be grounded in a clear understanding of the business value that it unlocks.

While automation is critical, it's rarely sufficient on its own. Human intervention will be required, particularly in ambiguous or low-confidence scenarios. A community-based approach, where responsibility is distributed across many users or stakeholders, can be effective - especially when immediate precision isn't necessary.

It's also crucial to design for reversibility: any entity match must be easy to undo without complex reprocessing - just rescind a specific match-pair. Additionally, in ambiguous cases or where community contributions are involved, match confidence should be treated probabilistically, not as binary truth.

Offline TomTank

I think jgillis is saying leave it as it is  :D :lol:

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I think jgillis is saying leave it as it is  :D :lol:

 :lol: :lol:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Offline RandomGuy99

I think jgillis is saying leave it as it is  :D :lol:
It's complicated and the outcome isn't worth the effort required and whatever you do might beeak in the future, so leave as is.

Offline TomTank

:lol: :lol:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I was going to use that phrase but thought better of it! .... especially as Davie has said improvements have been made over the years ...

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I've spent my whole career working on messy data problems. This issue is a rooted in a class known as cross-vendor keyspace matching. The challenge arises frequently in industry - particularly in areas like supply chain and manufacturing, where multiple vendors are involved.

Below are some brief notes of the kind I would typically provide to a client - often followed by a quote. BTW, I am not advocating that this is implemented - just addressing the "how to" question.
TLDR

« Last Edit: June 18, 2025, 06:14:28 pm by daviemac »

Offline pbrown355

+1

However, if there was a rating system we could award prizes for top WG every quarter.
The prize would be a meet with me.