Review statistics

[pythondan]

Often UKP gets demonised by service providers and I feel it is often unfair.

For example gymfitbex has often criticised UKP on her twitter account but has 73 postive reviews out of 82 total which will have obviously driven much trade her way.

Looking at the first page of the South West reviews at the time of writing there are six negatives and five neutrals which shows that the majority of reviews are positive which surely are a good thing for the girls who offer a good service.

I would be interested to see some analysis of review ratings by date and area but I cannot find anything that shows this. Would it be possible for someone to generate this?

[pbrown355]

There's a recent and lengthy thread about liking and not liking being reviewed, positively and negatively on here. It won't cover your final question but may enlighten you about some of the other points you've made.

[daviemac]

I would be interested to see some analysis of review ratings by date and area but I cannot find anything that shows this. Would it be possible for someone to generate this?

Have I got this right? you want review stats analysed by area, that's 12 different areas plus 3 different sections, escort, massage and TS, 36 pages of statistics, first question would be why when you can just look at the section and area that interests you and they are all there. They are also accessible via the 'recent reviews' link at the top of the page. The review contents in list view can also be accessed via that link.

[pythondan]

Hi Davie,

I just thought the information would be interesting - I am not expecting the people who run the site to drop everything and do it.

I am not sure what the forum backend uses but if it is some form of SQL database then doing this type of analysis would be relatively simple and could provide some interesting stats.

If you cannot see any value in it then no worries.

[daviemac]

Hi Davie,

I just thought the information would be interesting - I am not expecting the people who run the site to drop everything and do it.

I am not sure what the forum backend uses but if it is some form of SQL database then doing this type of analysis would be relatively simple and could provide some interesting stats.

If you cannot see any value in it then no worries.

It isn't up to me, if Head1 wants to do it then he'll do it, however I'm quite sure there are far more important issues for him to address. Personally I don't see the point of creating 36 pages of statistics that I would imagine would only interest a minority of members.

[Natwest]

Often UKP gets demonised by service providers and I feel it is often unfair.

For example gymfitbex has often criticised UKP on her twitter account but has 73 postive reviews out of 82 total which will have obviously driven much trade her way.

Looking at the first page of the South West reviews at the time of writing there are six negatives and five neutrals which shows that the majority of reviews are positive which surely are a good thing for the girls who offer a good service.

I would be interested to see some analysis of review ratings by date and area but I cannot find anything that shows this. Would it be possible for someone to generate this?

I think you will find she was hounded by Fin5555 to the extent that he almost got banned and she was seen to cross the line and perhaps unfairly banned. I suspect in the much more pleasant regime that exists on UKP these days this would not have happened, Fin5555 would have got a warning and she would have been allowed to continue as a member.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=269745.msg2801337#msg2801337

[pythondan]

I think you will find she was hounded by Fin5555 to the extent that he almost got banned and she was seen to cross the line and perhaps unfairly banned. I suspect in the much more pleasant regime that exists on UKP these days this would not have happened, Fin5555 would have got a warning and she would have been allowed to continue as a member.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=269745.msg2801337#msg2801337

Yes I remember it well although I think she did deliberately create some of the drama to raise her profile. This site has guided me to some great service providers and helped me dodge some not so good ones - sometimes I have ignored reviews and regretted doing so - so I am a little perplexed why it is so demonised by working girls.

Having good reviews on here surely is a plus and the site has matured in recent times. If statistical analysis were to show say that 75% of reviews were positive then that would give the lie to the view that the site is bad for girls who deliver what their advertising claims.

I guess I just get a bit weary reading comments about how bad the site is and having to disavow any knowledge of it if questioned about it (this has only happened to me twice).

[Natwest]

Yes I remember it well although I think she did deliberately create some of the drama to raise her profile. This site has guided me to some great service providers and helped me dodge some not so good ones - sometimes I have ignored reviews and regretted doing so - so I am a little perplexed why it is so demonised by working girls.

Having good reviews on here surely is a plus and the site has matured in recent times. If statistical analysis were to show say that 75% of reviews were positive then that would give the lie to the view that the site is bad for girls who deliver what their advertising claims.

I guess I just get a bit weary reading comments about how bad the site is and having to disavow any knowledge of it if questioned about it (this has only happened to me twice).

I hope that with the much healthier ethos that exists here and a smattering of SP's who make invaluable contributions and insights, attitudes may change. Unfortunately there was a time when it was clear that getting an SP banned from here was a badge of honour. Here is another classic example of the same gentleman trying purely for the sake of it to stoke up an argument with an SP.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=323225.0

I think it serves to illustrate also how far the site has come and hats off to the owner and mods. Over time I am sure that will filter through but a lot of good SP's with excellent reviews got a very hard time not so long ago and that has left a lingering impression I am sure. 

[daviemac]

Yes I remember it well although I think she did deliberately create some of the drama to raise her profile. This site has guided me to some great service providers and helped me dodge some not so good ones - sometimes I have ignored reviews and regretted doing so - so I am a little perplexed why it is so demonised by working girls.

Having good reviews on here surely is a plus and the site has matured in recent times. If statistical analysis were to show say that 75% of reviews were positive then that would give the lie to the view that the site is bad for girls who deliver what their advertising claims.

I guess I just get a bit weary reading comments about how bad the site is and having to disavow any knowledge of it if questioned about it (this has only happened to me twice).

A lot of escorts dislike the site because of how misogynistic it has been in the past, something we are trying to get away from. A lot of the 'old school' members who used to hound SPs and other members are no longer here, some remain but are a lot quieter after losing their 'side kicks'.

Then of course there are the minority who spoil it for the majority by using the site to gain favours from escorts by threatening negative reviews. They do get caught out eventually and get banned, word is getting round that if an escort is threatened in such a way action will be taken.

[Doc Holliday]

I think you will find she was hounded by Fin5555 to the extent that he almost got banned and she was seen to cross the line and perhaps unfairly banned. I suspect in the much more pleasant regime that exists on UKP these days this would not have happened, Fin5555 would have got a warning and she would have been allowed to continue as a member.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=269745.msg2801337#msg2801337

My memory could be wrong, but I'm sure she was banned by Head 1 quite a while after she had stopped posting and the spats with Fin etc. She gave as good as she got, but it was so repetitive and going nowhere.

The reason given by the boss for the banning may also be significant "ex sex worker with zero useful contribution to make"?

[nightbot]

A lot of escorts dislike the site because of how misogynistic it has been in the past, something we are trying to get away from. A lot of the 'old school' members who used to hound SPs and other members are no longer here, some remain but are a lot quieter after losing their 'side kicks'.

Then of course there are the minority who spoil it for the majority by using the site to gain favours from escorts by threatening negative reviews. They do get caught out eventually and get banned, word is getting round that if an escort is threatened in such a way action will be taken.

I just want to say thank you to all the staff for all the effort.
There's been a marked improvement in the quality of posting here, vs what it used to be a couple of years ago when I started out, due to the good work you guys have done. I'm sure it wasn't just the escorts who found the misogyny uncomfortable, but also the guys here who did not want to be associated with that simply because they posted here. Forum is a lot more positive and welcoming now.

[ulstersubbie]

Forum is a lot more positive and welcoming now.

I agree and long may it continue.

[Jeffe]

Going back to the op, where I think this site adds so much is the nuance in the reviews. I’ve read positives where they’ve highlighted things that wouldn’t be a positive to me personally or in negative and neutrals I’ve read things that would bother me less than the reviewer.

So even if rating stats could be easily collated I don’t think it always tells the full story

[Natwest]

My memory could be wrong, but I'm sure she was banned by Head 1 quite a while after she had stopped posting and the spats with Fin etc. She gave as good as she got, but it was so repetitive and going nowhere.

The reason given by the boss for the banning may also be significant "ex sex worker with zero useful contribution to make"?

I think in todays climate most of the exchanges would have been nipped in the bud and she did give as good as she got. But the spat over many, many reviews was as far as I could see continued by Finn5555 purely with the intention of winding her up enough to get her banned. It almost backfired for him which might have been no bad thing although as daviemac has pointed out, with many of the sidekicks departed the ones that remain have been forced to clean up their act making the forum a so much more pleasant place to be.

[daviemac]

Going back to the op, where I think this site adds so much is the nuance in the reviews. I’ve read positives where they’ve highlighted things that wouldn’t be a positive to me personally or in negative and neutrals I’ve read things that would bother me less than the reviewer.

So even if rating stats could be easily collated I don’t think it always tells the full story

A review is only a reflection of one punter's experience with the escort at the time he saw her and we all have different standards.

Members should read reviews, take from them the information they find useful and act accordingly.

[Jeffe]

A review is only a reflection of one punter's experience with the escort at the time he saw her and we all have different standards.

Members should read reviews, take from them the information they find useful and act accordingly.

Agree, that’s why I’m saying I sometimes aren’t necessarily put off by a neutral or negative rating as the rationale may be based on criteria that aren’t important to me (but maybe are to the reviewer).

I suppose point I was making just compiling number of positive reviews as a number could be flawed.

[LLPunting]

Agree, that’s why I’m saying I sometimes aren’t necessarily put off by a neutral or negative rating as the rationale may be based on criteria that aren’t important to me (but maybe are to the reviewer).

I suppose point I was making just compiling number of positive reviews as a number could be flawed.

The key requirement is that reviewers provide useful, qualitative information precisely because of what you're saying.  Drive-by reviews just saying she was "good", "pretty", "amazing" don't allow others to make the nuanced, subjective assessment you describe. 

[Will2k]

I would love to see those stats. And more starting with their interview questions. Also average prices over time would be invaluable

[daviemac]

I would love to see those stats. And more starting with their interview questions. Also average prices over time would be invaluable

Are you taking the piss??    You've been a member for 6 years, only posted 2 reviews with the last one being almost 4 years ago.

I think you need to be looking at your own contributions before expecting to see what others do.

Is there any reason for your lack of input to the forum? 

[daviemac]

Is there any reason for your lack of input to the forum? 

Care to answer?

[Fuzzyduck]

Often UKP gets demonised by service providers and I feel it is often unfair.

For example gymfitbex has often criticised UKP on her twitter account but has 73 postive reviews out of 82 total which will have obviously driven much trade her way.

Looking at the first page of the South West reviews at the time of writing there are six negatives and five neutrals which shows that the majority of reviews are positive which surely are a good thing for the girls who offer a good service.

I would be interested to see some analysis of review ratings by date and area but I cannot find anything that shows this. Would it be possible for someone to generate this?

Really? A site which has a "worst escort picture challenge" thread and you wonder why it's vilified? Agreed the site has become less toxic over the last few years but it will take a lot of time before its reputation will soften.

Yes, most reviews might be positive but what about the negative ones? They can damage business. Also, any perceived slight could be taken personally, even in a positive review. How many people do you know who are 100% OK with being given "honest" feedback privately let alone on an open internet forum? What do you say when your other half asks if she looks fat in a new dress?

Perhaps when a SP raises the topic with you again you can explore what's driving her perception. Feel free to try and defend UKP but maybe just tell her that they all sound like a bunch of nasty pricks to you. I saw an SP once (some years ago now) who went on an unprompted rant about UKP at the end of the meet talking about its toxicity and impact on sex workers' mental health (not her own). Funny old thing I've never reviewed her.

[big-al93]

What do you say when your other half asks if she looks fat in a new dress?

You say no honey, that dress doesn't make you look fat!

Only you know if you're thinking it's the rolls of fat that do it, nothing to do with the dress.

[southcoastpunter]

Really? A site which has a "worst escort picture challenge" thread and you wonder why it's vilified? Agreed the site has become less toxic over the last few years but it will take a lot of time before its reputation will soften.

yep totally agree about that. they are all people, everyone is somebody's daughter, maybe someone's sister, or wife or mum but thats all right, so long as we have our bit of fun!! Very dis-respectful. But we are generally, imo, moving in the right direction.

Yes, most reviews might be positive but what about the negative ones?

of the few WG's i have heard talk about UKP, two things they dislike even on positive reviews is the level of detail some guys go into and also the scoring of so many elements out of 10.

but now going a bit off topic!

[Watts.E.Dunn]

I think that not that many punters know about UKP and a lot of Roms and Thais don't either ! Maybe their organisers sergies and the lke do but not that many...