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Author Topic: Silly question? "What sign to tell whether the SP is really a lady?"  (Read 4101 times)

Offline ukgreeting

I usually go for massage not FS. What sign to tell whether the SP is really a lady but not TS or did surgery to become a lady? Coz I found one SP facially like a guy(pretty girl but the shape of her face is so sharp) :unknown:

Online Dipper

Below 6ft 3 and 17 stone, usually you know you’re onto a winner.

Offline jamiekinkxxx

I usually go for massage not FS. What sign to tell whether the SP is really a lady but not TS or did surgery to become a lady? Coz I found one SP facially like a guy(pretty girl but the shape of her face is so sharp) :unknown:

do they have an adam's apple

Offline mr.bluesky

Below 6ft 3 and 17 stone, usually you know you’re onto a winner.

 :D or hands the size of builders shovels

Offline FiveKnuckles

When he wanks you and you've bust your nut in 5 secs.  :lol:  plenty practice growing up

Online RandomGuy99

Nipple size?

Most Thai and Chinese girls seem to have bullet size nipples. Thai and Chinese men don't, so Inwonder if nipple size also be used to identify post-op women.

Online Stevelondon

Bugger.
Went out with a girl in my teens who had a sharp face.
Now you’ve got me thinking  :scare:

Offline scutty brown

I usually go for massage not FS. What sign to tell whether the SP is really a lady but not TS or did surgery to become a lady? Coz I found one SP facially like a guy(pretty girl but the shape of her face is so sharp) :unknown:

If you don't know and can't tell, what does it matter?

Offline Doc Holliday

When he wanks you and you've bust your nut in 5 secs.  :lol:  plenty practice growing up

 :D

Which raises the question if you are having a massage and HR with someone described as 'pretty' but sharp, does it really matter?

Edit Scutty beat me to it
« Last Edit: June 02, 2023, 08:53:52 am by Doc Holliday »

Offline Doc Holliday

do they have an adam's apple

Not reliable .. in any case surgery can reduce it

Offline big-al93

Not really a silly question, but not sure why you'd care all that much.  :unknown:
Sure, for FS you'd want to know, but a HE does it really matter? Surely what matters most is the massage any good? Or is the HE the main point for you? I know some guys that only do massages, do that because the view FS as being unfaithful to their other half.
IMHO if a trans woman is far enough along her journey to have had breast surgery, then recieving a hand shandy from her is not in any way "gay". I know not everyone would agree with that, but as long as you find her attractive, I don't think it matters. Obviously different with FS as there will be obvious noticeable differences whether pre or post op. I fully believe that trans people within sex work should be honest, as much for their own safety as anything else. But as there is so much dishonesty already in the massage game, misleading photos and descriptions ect. that I just wouldn't let it worry me.

Offline Jonestown

Women have a cervix, men don’t, of course by the time you find out whether it’s a yes or a no it’s probably too late and you’re in over your head.

This is of course the Colditz test whereby you toss something like a pack of cigarettes into their lap unexpectedly, a biological woman, used to wearing a skirt / dress, will spread their legs to catch the item, a biological man will close their legs to stop the item falling between them.

Offline KatieEdinburgh

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This is of course the Colditz test whereby you toss something like a pack of cigarettes into their lap unexpectedly, a biological woman, used to wearing a skirt / dress, will spread their legs to catch the item, a biological man will close their legs to stop the item falling between them.

I feel that most modern women are much more used to wearing jeans to the extent I was very confused what you meant by this until I read it over several times  :lol: I’m a cis lady but my reflex would be not to do that …I don’t think so anyway. Probably would be my instinct to close my legs.

Women have a cervix, men don’t, of course by the time you find out whether it’s a yes or a no it’s probably too late and you’re in over your head.

Yes, though don’t forget some biological women do sometimes get their cervix removed for a variety of medical reasons or cancer. If you can’t feel one it is still not a 100% certain she’s trans

If you don’t know her well enough she’s unlikely to share details like whether she’s had a total hysterectomy and trachelectomy with you so it’s not definite proof
« Last Edit: June 02, 2023, 01:53:39 pm by KatieEdinburgh »

Offline Colston36

do they have an adam's apple

I want a slut, not a lady.

One of my best was with a whore and a TS.

The whore has now retired, so I can't review my meeting with her and her guy two days ago,
 

Offline s0whatsnew?

I feel that most modern women are much more used to wearing jeans to the extent I was very confused what you meant by this until I read it over several times  :lol: I’m a cis lady but my reflex would be not to do that …I don’t think so anyway. Probably would be my instinct to close my legs.

But maybe depends on whether you smoke or not?    ;)

Offline mr.bluesky

Women have a cervix, men don’t, of course by the time you find out whether it’s a yes or a no it’s probably too late and you’re in over your head.



Crikey that would be a big fanny if you were "in over your head"  :D

Offline Jumping Jack Flash

Pass her your car keys and ask her to park your car. That will sort the men from the women……

Or go for a piss at her place, if the toilet seat is up  :scare:
« Last Edit: June 03, 2023, 06:47:18 am by Jumping Jack Flash »

Offline mr.bluesky

Or take her shopping, if she takes half an hour to make her mind up over buying something she's definitely a women

Offline southcoastpunter

Or take her shopping, if she takes half an hour to make her mind up over buying something she's definitely a women

well only if she goes back and buys the first one she looked at!

Offline Analist

If you're only having a massage, I doubt there's an infallible method. If you get to finger her pussy, definitely there are ways, but by then it might be too late.
1. Vaginal lubrication. Trans usually don't or in small amounts and will keep reaching for lube.
2. Vaginal walls. Trans are smooth and uniform whereas you'll feel more textures and ridges in a female.
3. Cervix. Sure give away if there isn't one.

Offline datwabbit

Ask her to explain the offside rule.

Offline Doc Holliday

All the old jibes are coming out now  :D

If you're only having a massage, I doubt there's an infallible method. If you get to finger her pussy, definitely there are ways, but by then it might be too late.
1. Vaginal lubrication. Trans usually don't or in small amounts and will keep reaching for lube.
2. Vaginal walls. Trans are smooth and uniform whereas you'll feel more textures and ridges in a female.
3. Cervix. Sure give away if there isn't one.

Yes these may indeed be indicators or possible clues, but are still not definitive even when all are present.

Firstly, as you suggest, it assumes fingering is allowed and many SPs do not. I would suggest that most punters are unlikely to know how to ‘palpate the cervix’ let alone distinguish the feel from that of a surgically created vagina?
In an aroused female it may well be impossible to reach the cervix with your fingers anyway. Then there is post radical hysterectomy where the cervix has been removed.  In general a natural vagina will be less smooth but this is also very variable.

Also the use of lube is commonplace by everyone (and rightly so) and someone who has had transition surgery will definitely prelube as there is, as you say, no natural lubrication. The exception to this could be someone whose surgical procedure has been to use part of the bowel to create the vagina (not a common procedure) which may then have some natural lubrication as well as potentially increased 'elasticity' which can be an issue with standard techniques.

There is only one way to be certain and that is the presence of external scarring, but as with all surgical procedures the long term appearance of scars is highly variable, but they will be there.

This does mean that (a) you know where to look and (b) in the case of very well healed scars, good lighting (and eyesight) and adequate close field of vision are required. The presence of pubic hair may make this more difficult.

So yes it is far from easy but IMO perhaps the first possible clue and whilst clothed, is the voice. Once again not reliable, but another potential indicator. The post transition surgery regime should  involve voice training to feminise the voice and in some cases vocal cord surgery may be be carried out, but the latter is usually a regime of last resort with very variable results.

Then again some cis females have deep voices which are natural and may indicate raised testosterone levels at some stage of their life …. or just damage.

Which takes you full circle to the OP and does it really matter?

Offline MartyW

If he/she passes the offside rule test, crank things up with the lbw rule test.

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Just be sure she didn't (D)FK, OWO, RO, suck toes/fingers, lick earwax or take a CIM recently.... oh wait...
« Last Edit: June 03, 2023, 09:05:11 pm by LLPunting »

Offline TheMagnet

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=67631.0

Have a look at this thread of post ops advertising as female so you can see how convincing many of them are.

Good luck!  :wackogirl:

Offline Harry Stotle

Fuck me....I think the time has come to take up stamp collecting. This punting lark is a minefield.  If you buy a Penny Black, at least you know it's the real thing...unless it's a forgery  :wackogirl:

Offline Jonestown

If you don't know and can't tell, what does it matter?

Can’t agree with this point of view. This forum is about fair play for punters in an area of commerce where customer deception  is probably more wide spread than any other single industry. We here rail against bait and switch with many members insisting on a negative review what ever the quality of any eventual punt, we decry photoshopping and the use of yesteryears pictures, yet we should condone a biological male passing themselves off as female for the provision of paid for sexual services ?

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« Last Edit: June 05, 2023, 03:46:03 pm by RandomGuy99 »

Offline Harry Stotle


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To quote the Colombian philosopher and intellectual, Shakira: "hips don't lie"...

I always try to get a good look at the hips and arse if I'm unsure if I'm dealing with lady or a lady boy...

Also, looking back some years ago, I saw the same SP in a massage shop a few times, and she always had a black velvet ribbon around her throat or some kind of small floaty scarf tied around her neck.  I didn't think anything of it at the time, but looking back.... :unknown:

Offline Jonestown

Also, looking back some years ago, I saw the same SP in a massage shop a few times, and she always had a black velvet ribbon around her throat or some kind of small floaty scarf tied around her neck.  I didn't think anything of it at the time, but looking back.... :unknown:

Ditto, equally so in London it used to be de rigour for Thai ladyboys to wear hot pants, making it easy to tell  the wood from the trees.

Offline JontyR

Can’t agree with this point of view. This forum is about fair play for punters in an area of commerce where customer deception  is probably more wide spread than any other single industry. We here rail against bait and switch with many members insisting on a negative review what ever the quality of any eventual punt, we decry photoshopping and the use of yesteryears pictures, yet we should condone a biological male passing themselves off as female for the provision of paid for sexual services ?

He didn't say it should be condoned. What he was getting at (correct me if I'm wrong) was that if it looks like a woman, and you think  its a woman, and she presents and calls herself a woman, whether he should then beat himself up over it because someone who has never seen her, never thought about her and never spoken to her might classify her as a bloke.

Therein madness lies.


Offline Punting2022

Surgery is too good. Go with your gut feeling

Offline scutty brown

Most TS are oriental, so as long as you remember the old adage that real oriental women's vaginas run sideways you'll be fine

Offline ukgreeting

after a bit of searching, I found that the SP seemed to be on some TS post, but some review had sex with her did not say she is TS  :rolleyes:

Online RandomGuy99

Surgery is too good. Go with your gut feeling
Those surgeons produce some amazing work.

Offline mr.bluesky

Most TS are oriental, so as long as you remember the old adage that real oriental women's vaginas run sideways you'll be fine

A bit of a racist comment there.  :thumbsdown:

Offline scutty brown

A bit of a racist comment there.  :thumbsdown:

not intended as such, just taking the piss out of the OP
stupid question gets apposite answer

apologies if anyone was offended


Offline Chris1990mcr

Pass her your car keys and ask her to park your car. That will sort the men from the women……

Or go for a piss at her place, if the toilet seat is up  :scare:

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Offline KiloRomeo

I bet you didn't know it works both ways  :D . My SP 'friend' of mine, who is a women, has a separate ad where she poses as a TS. She tells me a big portion of her client base comes from that ad. Apparently when clients arrive they don't tend to leave after seeing her, and if they're thinking about it, a certain 9 inch piece of equipment will convince them to stay.

My point is that I really don't think the best looking TS girls necessarily have to pretend; there's a massive demand for them. So if you can't tell, she's most likely a lady from birth.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2023, 07:49:44 pm by KiloRomeo »

Offline Jonestown

I bet you didn't know it works both ways  :D . My SP 'friend' of mine, who is a women, has a separate ad where she poses as a TS. She tells me a big portion of her client base comes from that ad. Apparently when clients arrive they don't tend to leave after seeing her, and if they're thinking about it, a certain 9 inch piece of equipment will convince them to stay.

My point is that I really don't think the best looking TS girls necessarily have to pretend; there's a massive demand for them. So if you can't tell, she's most likely a lady from birth.

So the Latin American apple of your eye advertises as a post op trans, in addition to advertising as a female ?

Offline KiloRomeo

So the Latin American apple of your eye advertises as a post op trans, in addition to advertising as a female ?
I don't even think it's post op, they're turning up expecting her to have a dick.

Offline Jonestown

I don't even think it's post op, they're turning up expecting her to have a dick.

This is just beyond weird