Fit-looking beggars, on trains

[contentguy]

I didn't read him suggesting anything. What I read was him saying he didn't address her and he asked would he have been a dick if he did. The answer of course is yes, you'd be a dick. But he didn't engage or suggest engaging in predatory behaviour.

He was asking for validation, if it was ok for him to proposition her if ‘circumstances’ allowed.  Totally suggesting predatory behaviour.

Am I a total reprobate for thinking that if the train had been less busy, could I have corrupted her by offering money in exchange for a BJ?

I see SPs who advertise their services and pay what we agree.

Targeting and propositioning women who don’t advertise PTP is called dating.
Offering money to those in a ‘dating’ scenario is illegal and predatory.

It’s funny how the c#nts such as yourself out themselves on threads like this.

[daviemac]

I didn't read him suggesting anything. What I read was him saying he didn't address her and he asked would he have been a dick if he did. The answer of course is yes, you'd be a dick. But he didn't engage or suggest engaging in predatory behaviour.

For him to even think about it never mind post on here about it shows what a lowlife he is and you are another one who looks to be condoning it.   

[dunhill]

Am I a total reprobate for thinking that if the train had been less busy, could I have corrupted her by offering money in exchange for a BJ?

Yes you are. Shame on you for even considering something like this, let alone posting a thread about it.

[dunhill]

Just because she looked clean and healthy doesn’t mean she wasn’t desperate or vulnerable  , she could have just had a shower in a refuge or hostel who knows.

Agreed. Having spent over a decade volunteering at Crisis at Christmas, one can't always tell someone's personal circumstances from how they are dressed.  Many of our guest were scrupulously clean and well-turned out. 

[RedKettle]

Am I a total reprobate for thinking that if the train had been less busy, could I have corrupted her by offering money in exchange for a BJ?

I was prepared to consider the “joke” defence and also the “no intention to do it” defence but I keep coming back to the use of corrupted which i think is sinister.  That really suggests that you want to take advantage of her and get her to do something that she does not really want to do.  That is a path well trodden unfortunately, even by aid workers.  If a fellow human is struggling the instinct should be to help and failing that to politely decline.  Not to take personal advantage.

[RedKettle]

You are coming across like the op now especially when you said I give the homeless lifts at times,what do you do go on the prowl for vunrable females.

He never said he gave them lifts and when he told you that you said he was back pedalling but you simply misread what he said.

[GingerNuts]

has there been a more overused term than "vulnerable" in the last 10 years?

Whatever the generality you'd agree it's appropriate in these circumstances?

[myothernameis]

So I’m not sure this happens in other cities,

Sometimes, the female ones are under 30 and quite well-dressed and don’t look particularly underfed.
Often they are holding a cardboard sign saying ‘2 children, no money for baby formula etc etc’.

there was a girl of Eastern European appearance, wearing tight leggings, who stood in front of my (seated) self,
her cameltoe almost inches from my face

Am I a total reprobate for thinking that if the train had been less busy, could I have corrupted her by offering money in exchange for a BJ?

Yes, very likely this happens, but no one in there right mind would prey on there circumstances.  If they have a eastern European appearance more likely there Romanian beggars, but not homeless, or even short of cash

[DastardlyDick]

Not defending the OP, but are there any of us on here that haven't seen an attractive woman and wondered what she'd be like to shag?
As long as it remains in the space between your ears, it's fine.

[Punterperson1971]

He never said he gave them lifts and when he told you that you said he was back pedalling but you simply misread what he said.

It was postage who said that about lifts not the op

[willie loman]

Whatever the generality you'd agree it's appropriate in these circumstances?

if the young lady is part of a professional roma begging gang, big issue team, pickpocketing team, being dropped off in the morning by minibus,returning at night to the family flat, i cannot view her as vulnerable,she is in fact a scam artist, thats how they work in most of the country, a curious plague that has been our lot for the last 15 years, i notice its worse in france, where drugged up children are used as props. i have every sympathy for those who are vulnerable, a condition usually linked to mental health issues.

[Punterperson1971]

if the young lady is part of a professional roma begging gang, big issue team, pickpocketing team, being dropped off in the morning by minibus,returning at night to the family flat, i cannot view her as vulnerable,she is in fact a scam artist, thats how they work in most of the country, a curious plague that has been our lot for the last 15 years, i notice its worse in france, where drugged up children are used as props. i have every sympathy for those who are vulnerable, a condition usually linked to mental health issues.

And the leaders of the gangs will not be far they will be hanging around in the background

[Rabbit63]

Not defending the OP, but are there any of us on here that haven't seen an attractive woman and wondered what she'd be like to shag?
As long as it remains in the space between your ears, it's fine.

Thank you.
I never seriously thought about asking her, it was just a second's lustful thought when she was stood unnecessarily close to my face. Anyone who's travelled on a London Overground train will know these trains are as wide as a standard train, but with seating facing inward, which gives a wide space more than big enough for two people to pass without problems, not going near to the seated passengers.
The train I was on was about 30-40% full. There was no reason for her to stand that close. She was using every trick in the scammers' book, holding a placard with the exact same wording I'd seen a few days earlier. There are professional beggars on many London trains, operating in gangs, as another poster confirmed.
If the train had been empty, I can assure you, she wouldn't have been on it. Any regular commuter would tell you, these professional beggars are often to be found on, for example, Thameslink trains between Gatwick Airport and London Bridge, preying on gullible tourists. Any tourist who remained on Platform 5 on arrival at LBG would see the beggar they just gave money to cross the island platform to board a train on Platform 6 to catch the next fast train back to Gatwick. They never board the slower 'stopping trains' that call at Mertham, Redhill etc because they know the locals are wise to them and there's slim pickings. I would NOT have actually propositioned her in any case. It was one of those fleeting moments of fantasy, like when you see a pretty girl in a pub and you wonder if she'd be up for it.

As for those saying I was preying on a vulnerable woman, I find it odd.
Most punters are in relationships or married. Hard to take the moral high ground when your actions, if discovered, would cause extreme distress and humiliation to the one woman you supposedly love 

[David1970]

Am I a total reprobate for thinking that if the train had been less busy, could I have corrupted her by offering money in exchange for a BJ?

You admit you are a reprobate and who was thinking that you would have asked her for money in exchange for a BJ, taking advantage of her being a beggar in need.

[daviemac]

Thank you.
I never seriously thought about asking her, it was just a second's lustful thought when she was stood unnecessarily close to my face. Anyone who's travelled on a London Overground train will know these trains are as wide as a standard train, but with seating facing inward, which gives a wide space more than big enough for two people to pass without problems, not going near to the seated passengers.
The train I was on was about 30-40% full. There was no reason for her to stand that close. She was using every trick in the scammers' book, holding a placard with the exact same wording I'd seen a few days earlier. There are professional beggars on many London trains, operating in gangs, as another poster confirmed.
If the train had been empty, I can assure you, she wouldn't have been on it. Any regular commuter would tell you, these professional beggars are often to be found on, for example, Thameslink trains between Gatwick Airport and London Bridge, preying on gullible tourists. Any tourist who remained on Platform 5 on arrival at LBG would see the beggar they just gave money to cross the island platform to board a train on Platform 6 to catch the next fast train back to Gatwick. They never board the slower 'stopping trains' that call at Mertham, Redhill etc because they know the locals are wise to them and there's slim pickings. I would NOT have actually propositioned her in any case. It was one of those fleeting moments of fantasy, like when you see a pretty girl in a pub and you wonder if she'd be up for it.

As for those saying I was preying on a vulnerable woman, I find it odd.
Most punters are in relationships or married. Hard to take the moral high ground when your actions, if discovered, would cause extreme distress and humiliation to the one woman you supposedly love 

You thought enough about it to start as thread on here looking for support and expecting others to agree it would be a good idea to proposition her, but, like so many before you you misjudged the reaction from the decent minded punters among us.

The comparison between married punters and this is just ridiculous, just as you don't know the beggars circumstances you don't know the punter's.

If you suspected she was a professional beggar you should have informed the police, but that thought didn't enter your head, your only thought was to proposition her for sexual favours and as you could not be sure of her circumstances that shows what kind of person you are and no amount of backtracking will change that.

[RedKettle]

It was postage who said that about lifts not the op

I know that was the point I was making, you said he gave lifts to vulnerable people but he did not say that, he was talking about seeing them being dropped off.  He pointed that out and you said he was back pedalling.  He was not, you mis read the post.  You were implying he was actively targeting when he was defending the OP.  (Yes that was misjudged but miles off what you implied.)

[RedKettle]

As for those saying I was preying on a vulnerable woman, I find it odd.
Most punters are in relationships or married. Hard to take the moral high ground when your actions, if discovered, would cause extreme distress and humiliation to the one woman you supposedly love 

If you think about that for a few minutes I suspect you will realise what a stupid point it is.

I am married but because I risk upsetting my wife I cannot call out any immoral behaviour??  I cannot be against somebody stealing, murdering or assault? 

We are talking about taking advantage for sexual pleasure of a potentially vulnerable person, knowing she is in financial hardship and using that to turn her to sex work.   If you see a level there with someone in a sexless marriage seeing WGs as a way to make their family unit work you really have a problem.

The more you defend your post the more you make yourself look guilty.
 

[Punterperson1971]

I know that was the point I was making, you said he gave lifts to vulnerable people but he did not say that, he was talking about seeing them being dropped off.  He pointed that out and you said he was back pedalling.  He was not, you mis read the post.  You were implying he was actively targeting when he was defending the OP.  (Yes that was misjudged but miles off what you implied.)

My bad RK miss read his post 👍

[tp69]

Most punters are in relationships or married. Hard to take the moral high ground when your actions, if discovered, would cause extreme distress and humiliation to the one woman you supposedly love 

You end every comment you make with an accusation to somehow excuse your actions. You could simply say you didn't think it through and it was wrong, simple as that.

Unless you have stats, how can you say 'most punters'? You have no idea what percentage of punters are in relationships. Further to that, you have no idea of each punter's individual circumstances or what has driven them to punt. You'd be better off concerning yourself with your own corrupt thoughts and not accusing people of something you have no idea about.

[tp69]

Not defending the OP, but are there any of us on here that haven't seen an attractive woman and wondered what she'd be like to shag?
As long as it remains in the space between your ears, it's fine.

You do realise there is literally no comparison between your example and the OP's situation right? It's taking advantage of someone's vulnerability, and need to feed her children, that is the problem, not having an indecent thought about someone entirely capable of consenting to a mutual interaction. He'd have been fine if he had kept it between his ears rather than posting it on a forum.

[DastardlyDick]

You do realise there is literally no comparison between your example and the OP's situation right? It's taking advantage of someone's vulnerability, and need to feed her children, that is the problem, not having an indecent thought about someone entirely capable of consenting to a mutual interaction. He'd have been fine if he had kept it between his ears rather than posting it on a forum.

Are we reading the same post?
Had the OP actually gone ahead and offered her money for sexual services, then Yes, that would have been totally unacceptable for the reasons you give, a criminal offence, and fully deserving of all the censure he's got on this forum. However, he didn't, he kept his thoughts (however pervy we may think they are), to himself, and went on about his day.
If we ever get an Orwellian style "Thought Police" the contributors to forums such as this would all be banged up in one of His Majesty's 3 bar Hotels.

[daviemac]

Are we reading the same post?
Had the OP actually gone ahead and offered her money for sexual services, then Yes, that would have been totally unacceptable for the reasons you give, a criminal offence, and fully deserving of all the censure he's got on this forum. However, he didn't, he kept his thoughts (however pervy we may think they are), to himself, and went on about his day.
If we ever get an Orwellian style "Thought Police" the contributors to forums such as this would all be banged up in one of His Majesty's 3 bar Hotels.

We are now on page 2 of this thread because the OP did not keep his thought to himself, he posted on here looking for justification that it was a good idea, quite possibly to actually do it in the future.

Whenever this type of thing is posted it get's the same response purely because the thoughts aren't kept in the poster head.

[simon07]

I saw a guy handing out pocket tissues with a business card. He came to collect them and some people bought them for a pound or so. Wonder how they got on the train or maybe a small side business on train from Luton to St Pancreas.

[Rabbit63]

Most punters can spot a scam or a bait and switch scam yet I can’t believe how so many posters on here seemingly take every beggar on a train at face value, without question 

[ulstersubbie]

Most punters can spot a scam or a bait and switch scam yet I can’t believe how so many posters on here seemingly take every beggar on a train at face value, without question 

I for one certainly don't, having been involved in a physical altercation with one of them not that long ago. Getting back to the original point of this thread, the OP made a statement and was roundly condemned by the majority of posters, best leave it at that I say.

[RedKettle]

My bad RK miss read his post 👍

 

[RadioKid]

WTF was OP thinking making this post ?

Some people really should not be in society.

[DouglasReynholm]

I sometimes use trains. Am I one?

I clicked on this thread because I couldn't work out from the tile what it was about. A good laugh on the whole: Rabbit63's bought a top of the range Peloton and an annual subscription and is about to fall over backwards.