Lies, lies and more lies

[hermanmunster]

I guess all WGs just live under a shrowd of lies. I've come to realise recently that even ones who become semi regulars, ones who you feel you get on well with, they are just full of lies and they eventually expose themselves as blatant liars. I am just too trusting (and stupid). I really shouldn't expect anything else I know - such naivety.

Last week a semi regular who I won't review just yet as she will identify me, started messing me around. I had a long booking arranged but in subsequent messages started to feel that she seemed non committal re anything around the pre-arranged meeting.
I thought i would investigate and used my other phones to book 2 seperate meetings under different names that ate 90 mins into either end of the prearranged meeting. The WG accepted both bookings immediately and eventually came out with such a riduculous sob story how she could only see me for 2 hours rather than the planned 5 hours. Now 3 back to back bookings and messing a "regular" around to accommodate 2 guys she had never previously had contact with.

She is history!

[LLPunting]

If you have been truthful about the above scenario then she will identify you now anyway 

If you haven't then this thread is a (partial) lie the degree of which none of the rest of us can know, so how can we be confident in giving it any credibility. 

The mistake is to give in to the EAS underlying your anger/frustration and start a thread like this rather than write a circumspect review without context so NO-ONE would've been the wiser.

A review is meant to be about a single meet so pick the one where the least unusual and unique to you happened.
A review is not a "Dear diary..."
Given you saw her several times and the first was clearly encouraging just review that one.  There's no need to tell us about improving or degrading mileage in subsequent reviews as YMMV rules for all punters;  Sadly that may mean that some punters have more successful "relationships" with her.  Little violins...

A review need only mention:

- Name of SP
- Ease of comms and a general sense of location and premises
- How she does or doesn't match photos
- Her attitude to the client in punt - broad strokes, no details about your specific interactions that identify you, no personal conversation details of what she said about anything or you said to her (no quoting of either party), we don't need to know how you complimented or wooed her nor exactly how she marvelled at your clothes, aftershave, looks, size/shape of cock or prowess
- Describe as many of her services as you can that aren't kinks unique to your visit - no need for events to be recounted in order
- Whether or not you got the time and services you paid for.  Here you may need to tell a white lie to avoid outing yourself e.g. if she refused a service during you could say it was advised in comms or at start, no need to state a reason, after all you still went back.

I don't get why punters who want or have reason to be (extra) cautious insist on including personal details in a review or other associated discussion or claiming they can't/won't review because they will out themselves.   
Those claiming they need significant time to elapse to be forgotten or lost in their presumption of a train of punters that came after them only run the risk of recognition if they include details that are potentially memorable and unique about their visit.  Very few punters actually have such encounters where the details of services taken are that unique, Hendrix you legend!  Thanks to the other Epic Fuckers too.   
Punters who review threesomes or moresomes they've specifically convened clearly have thrown caution to the wind (thanks for that  ) whilst party-goers and those who engage established double (or multi) acts can still try to maintain anonymity.
Just because some of us reviewers include detail that might constitute identifying evidence does not obligate anyone else to be so foolish or foolhardy.
You are not recounting a date with a civvy who may have had only a few sexual partners, you're only "required" to let the rest of us know how a sex worker stacks up to her advertising and performing her job.

[jimbobted]

Sounds like EAS. Going so far as to make fake bookings with the girl to see if she'll bump you is a bit creepy IMO.
Maybe she prefers shorter bookings over longer ones? Most whores pricing structures mean they earn more that way, and they're only doing it for cash after all.
Maybe your messaging gave her a hint of EAS and that had her a bit more reticent?

I'm prone to EAS myself, suffering a tad at the moment truth be told. But it's important to remember the girl isn't into me at all, she's just good at the act and genuinely wants to give a good time in the booking, but that's as far as it goes.

If you're not going to see her any more I don't see what you have to lose by reviewing her, even if it means she can linke your AW and UKP identities  .

[southcoastpunter]

maybe she was worried about you having/getting feeling for her and this was her way (not a good way but maybe her way) of trying to manage the situation. maybe she prefers meets where a guy turns up, pays, fucks her, and leaves. What were you planning to do in a 5 hour meet?

if you like long meetings like that (5 hours) and a bit of a "connection" you might want to think about "seeking/SA" - imo if you want something more than just a fuck and leave meeting but not a real relationship, its much better.

[MLawro93]

Sounds like you should be on Seeking, might suit what you are looking for more.

The best SPs are the ones who are completely professional but they provide stellar service. If you go in looking for anything else you are gonna have a bad time.

[yesbby]

I had a regular a couple of years ago - she started getting booked 12 hours a day by this young lad who was obviously having feelings. They spent all day watching TV and the like. She started limiting him by any means she could because she didn't want to lose contact with her regulars and she was getting bored of his company. He started getting pissed off so that just became another situation she had to nip in the bud.

Maybe she just wants to run her business a certain way

[IAmNotFamous]

Two things. I would presume five hours was less than five one hour bookings. It may be a financial motive.

I’ll be honest, you may be going through what I had gone through although for me the feelings are aligned/mutual between us - turned out okay for me.

If you need help, reach out for me in this thread. You’re not alone.

[massagepuntingfan]

Agree with the above. 5 hours is an extremely long punt and SA territory. Also I'm assuming that during a 5 hour punt the SP would make a decreasing amount the longer the punt is. She might find 5 hours far too intense and seek to make a similar amount of money over 2 90min meetings. I don't thinks it's our business to 'get to know regulars', it's work for them and just sex at the end of the day.

[IAmNotFamous]

If you want to know if she likes you…at your next visit, ask for her non-work number.

If she gives it, she might like you. If she responds to texts (on non work number) is another sign.

That was the one mistake I made and fell for. Another mistake was following each other on social media . we all know about our private lives.

On hindsight,  It should have been an in/out jobby. But stupid Cupid….

[PumpDump]

I guess all WGs just live under a shrowd of lies. I've come to realise recently that even ones who become semi regulars, ones who you feel you get on well with, they are just full of lies and they eventually expose themselves as blatant liars. I am just too trusting (and stupid). I really shouldn't expect anything else I know - such naivety.

Last week a semi regular who I won't review just yet as she will identify me, started messing me around. I had a long booking arranged but in subsequent messages started to feel that she seemed non committal re anything around the pre-arranged meeting.
I thought i would investigate and used my other phones to book 2 seperate meetings under different names that ate 90 mins into either end of the prearranged meeting. The WG accepted both bookings immediately and eventually came out with such a riduculous sob story how she could only see me for 2 hours rather than the planned 5 hours. Now 3 back to back bookings and messing a "regular" around to accommodate 2 guys she had never previously had contact with.

She is history!

Fuck sake, take the fucking hint and move on. I don't know why you had to do your amateur investigation to confirm what was obvious.

[Billy no mates]

Like others have said, I feel this is EAS, and I’m sorry but you are best of walking away now.

[Atrueyorkie]

You sound hurt and needy.

Does sound like EAS and probably why she wants to reduce the time she spends with you as it’s evident you might not see it but you might come across clingy.

Interesting no matter how many threads we have based on this similar topic it still rears its ugly head.

I think people need to wrap this firmly round their heads. You PAY! You could be seeing her for 10 years, a better proposition or regular comes up you will be replaced. I really do think there needs to be a disclaimer on this topic. It’s too frequent.

I would say I have two regulars, both I find quite attractive. But the moment I’m not in that room, I don’t give a fuck and neither should they. I know they would choose a booking that would better suit them financially in a heartbeat. I would hate to be clingy it’s very off putting. There’s so many options.   

It’s good that you’ve brought this up to get varying opinions, that’s what I like about ukp.

If you see your service dip, or change that is an indication to move on. Not do what you’ve done, if anything you’re making it worse for yourself. Think, you went out your way, used not one but two phones to simulate this situation to check. That is time and energy wasted that you could have used elsewhere.

You’re better than this man.

[Atrueyorkie]

Just re-read this, what are you doing for 5 hours!

[jimbobted]

If you want to know if she likes you…at your next visit, ask for her non-work number.

If she gives it, she might like you. If she responds to texts (on non work number) is another sign.

That was the one mistake I made and fell for. Another mistake was following each other on social media . we all know about our private lives.

On hindsight,  It should have been an in/out jobby. But stupid Cupid….

I'm thinking of doing exactly this with one SP - I expect to be told to fuck off lol. But that's probably for the best and will cure any developing EAS.
It's tricky with the good ones who give great service and are good at creating and sustaining the illusion, particularly over longer meets. Very easy to fall into EAS IMO if she's friendly and enthusiastic as well as being pretty and a great fuck. But you just have to keep remembering she's ONLY there because of the money.

One SP did start sending me messages saying she thought there was a "connection" between us and what an nice guy I am etc. I called her out on it and said I knew what she was doing (touting for more business, fine but don't pretend I'd have a chance if it wasn't for the cash). She got a bit huffy but half-admitted it "Well that's true, this is my business but you're someone I'd be drawn to anyway". Tricky as I kind of like her, but anything other than a flat denial she wants more cash from me and is prepared to meet without that inducement means there's no need to risk getting myself emotionally involved with her as she'll just fuck off the instant she's taken all my cash.

[IAmNotFamous]

I'm thinking of doing exactly this with one SP - I expect to be told to fuck off lol. But that's probably for the best and will cure any developing EAS.
It's tricky with the good ones who give great service and are good at creating and sustaining the illusion, particularly over longer meets. Very easy to fall into EAS IMO if she's friendly and enthusiastic as well as being pretty and a great fuck. But you just have to keep remembering she's ONLY there because of the money.

One SP did start sending me messages saying she thought there was a "connection" between us and what an nice guy I am etc. I called her out on it and said I knew what she was doing (touting for more business, fine but don't pretend I'd have a chance if it wasn't for the cash). She got a bit huffy but half-admitted it "Well that's true, this is my business but you're someone I'd be drawn to anyway". Tricky as I kind of like her, but anything other than a flat denial she wants more cash from me and is prepared to meet without that inducement means there's no need to risk getting myself emotionally involved with her as she'll just fuck off the instant she's taken all my cash.

Life is too short to ponder whether it’s EAS or the real deal (love).

I chanced it. But used my brain to make sure (social media connections).

If the SP reveals private stuff during the encounter it’s likely the feelings are reciprocal.

[MLawro93]

Life is too short to ponder whether it’s EAS or the real deal (love).

I chanced it. But used my brain to make sure (social media connections).

If the SP reveals private stuff during the encounter it’s likely the feelings are reciprocal.

Or she just sees you as a friend who occasionally pays to fuck her. 

[Atrueyorkie]

Or she just sees you as a friend who occasionally pays to fuck her. 

+1 

[IAmNotFamous]

I very much doubt a “friend” would admit to “thinking about you all the time”.

A conversation is the only true way of understanding if the feelings are shared and mutual.

[Payyourwaymate]

My condolences OP. She done you a favour to be honest. Imagine if she strung you along and took more money from you as you fell deeper into your EAS and then fobbed you off. What are you doing for 5 hours anyway, sounds mentally exhausting. The bottom line is you cannot pay for a genuine companion, it's all an empty illusion, just pay for the sex and leave.

[Fuzzyduck]

A SP telling porky pies. Like WTF, who would have thought? I mean all punters tell the truth to SPs don't they? Or to their other halves and loved ones? Or to their work colleagues when asked why they had a shower at lunch when they didn't go to the gym ().

It's crap the SP wasn't more upfront about not wanting to take a 5 hour booking but she's hedging, right? Money in the bag and she has options if better offers come along. Not a nice thing to do, but it happens in life. Maybe OP should ask for another booking over his current 2 hour slot to find out just how important his business is to her.

Or not. Just cancel all 3 and move on.

[mynameisjeffp]

You sound hurt and needy.

Does sound like EAS and probably why she wants to reduce the time she spends with you as it’s evident you might not see it but you might come across clingy.

Interesting no matter how many threads we have based on this similar topic it still rears its ugly head.

I think people need to wrap this firmly round their heads. You PAY! You could be seeing her for 10 years, a better proposition or regular comes up you will be replaced. I really do think there needs to be a disclaimer on this topic. It’s too frequent.

I would say I have two regulars, both I find quite attractive. But the moment I’m not in that room, I don’t give a fuck and neither should they. I know they would choose a booking that would better suit them financially in a heartbeat. I would hate to be clingy it’s very off putting. There’s so many options.   

It’s good that you’ve brought this up to get varying opinions, that’s what I like about ukp.

If you see your service dip, or change that is an indication to move on. Not do what you’ve done, if anything you’re making it worse for yourself. Think, you went out your way, used not one but two phones to simulate this situation to check. That is time and energy wasted that you could have used elsewhere.

You’re better than this man.

This is a very good/balanced response. 

I’ve been in a very similar situation with regards to one SP I visited. It’s good to take a breath, step back and engage the mind prior to doing or saying anything. Make sense of your own mind first, even disappearing off the radar if required.

One thing I’ve learnt is that the moment the door closes during work, everything is pure transactional. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sometimes seeing these threads pop up from time to time gets you to reassess your own thought patterns, which in my view is a good thing. A little reboot if you like.

[IAmNotFamous]

This is a very good/balanced response. 

I’ve been in a very similar situation with regards to one SP I visited. It’s good to take a breath, step back and engage the mind prior to doing or saying anything. Make sense of your own mind first, even disappearing off the radar if required.

One thing I’ve learnt is that the moment the door closes during work, everything is pure transactional. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sometimes seeing these threads pop up from time to time gets you to reassess your own thought patterns, which in my view is a good thing. A little reboot if you like.

As much as we hope this applies with all SPs we also have to accept that some are lonely, easy to connect with, and the lines start to blur. It can happen.

[sensualencounter]

OP you go on about her lying and yet you’re sneaking around making false bookings? You sound like potential trouble to her and maybe any other escort. No wonder she doesn’t want to see you. You’ve probably given off stalker creep vibes and she can’t be dealing with that.

Learn from this, stop hassling her and do the right thing in future punts. Boundaries are there and you’ve overstepped them hugely. You’re a prime candidate for not just EAS (which I can and do sympathise with to a certain extent) but for getting a report and being blacklisted by other escorts. Especially if she or her friends have seen this thread.

[Fuzzyduck]

OP you go on about her lying and yet you’re sneaking around making false bookings? You sound like potential trouble to her and maybe any other escort. No wonder she doesn’t want to see you. You’ve probably given off stalker creep vibes and she can’t be dealing with that.

Learn from this, stop hassling her and do the right thing in future punts. Boundaries are there and you’ve overstepped them hugely. You’re a prime candidate for not just EAS (which I can and do sympathise with to a certain extent) but for getting a report and being blacklisted by other escorts. Especially if she or her friends have seen this thread.

That might be a little harsh considering we don't have the full picture. We only have OP's side of the story (which might not necessarily be full disclosure to be fair) but she might be a bitch who has led him down the path, fleecing him along the way.

[MLawro93]

That might be a little harsh considering we don't have the full picture. We only have OP's side of the story (which might not necessarily be full disclosure to be fair) but she might be a bitch who has led him down the path, fleecing him along the way.

That is true. Perhaps she isn't indie and doesn't manage her own comms, etc. Lots of reasons to be honest. But it is best to avoid this kind of situation, as ultimately you are paying for a service, and given OPs behaviour with using two different numbers to make bookings, it is in his best interests to stop seeing her.

[Fuzzyduck]

That is true. Perhaps she isn't indie and doesn't manage her own comms, etc. Lots of reasons to be honest. But it is best to avoid this kind of situation, as ultimately you are paying for a service, and given OPs behaviour with using two different numbers to make bookings, it is in his best interests to stop seeing her.

3 different numbers mate..

Yes, agree stop seeing her but, whilst he might acknowledge that's what he should do, he may feel quite different if it's EAS (which we're only assuming - he might be a control freak for example).
We must all have one friend who at some point has been angry in a relationship and said "he/she is history" only to take them back. Hopefully this thread has helped him avoid that.

[jesse4585]

Yeah I find unnecessary lies annoying too OP.  In case it makes you feel any better, she probably thought of it more of a white lie. I'd guess many punters & WGs are really suited to spending long periods together. And this doesn't have to mean they don't genuinely like each other.  If you check my 2nd from last review, you'd see I was very enthusiastic about Edgara.  But I'd also expect spending much more than an hour with her might drive me nuts.  She's so high energy, and once we've finished sex really loves to chat. And mostly all about young girl things.  Cut for 10-20 mins after great sex, but she'd have to pay me to listen engage in that sort of thing for much longer...   I suspect your WG had 2nd thoughts about the length of the booking, but then couldnt think of a way to tell you truthfully without risking loosing you as a client, hence the lies...