Author Topic: Extent you have chased after civvies / been played by civvies  (Read 2241 times)

Offline JDSports

Hi everyone, this is my first time starting a discussion topic and I hope I have posted in the right place. I don’t think this topic has been posted anywhere on the forum.

Having read the discussion topics on here asking why did people start this hobby, a common reason seems to be having no luck with civvies / having had enough of chasing a lost cause. It got me thinking…to what extent have you chased after civvies/been played by civvies? Did you do anything ridiculous trying to chase them? When did you realise chasing after that specific civvie was pointless? What was the damage (emotional and financial)? What did you learn?

Hopefully we can all learn from each other’s experiences. Generally I have had ok success on the civvies front. However, two girls from a couple of years ago (within a short space of each other) knocked my confidence completely. I think my experiences are fairly ordinary for blokes chasing, but to start off this discussion:

Girl A: I met her at a female friend’s party. We hung out loads afterwards, spoke daily on the phone and I also helped her out with loads of stuff (like moving house, giving her career tips as we were in the same industry etc). She was also into her social media- you know, the type who posts their ‘inspirational quotes’ with a stunning photo of themselves regularly in an attempt to get more likes. It was obvious that I was chasing and from the outset her response was, ‘yeah we will see where this goes’. In the 3 months or so that I chased, she would say things like, ‘you would make a great boyfriend you know? You are so kind, attentive’ on a regular basis. When I did suggest we should get together, she said, ‘you are putting pressure on me...why are all you guys the same?’ WTF? Obviously I was taken aback by this and decided to cut my losses- having reflected on this, I think she was one of those girls who liked male attention and knew she could call on Male 1 to do X for her, Male 2 to do Y for her etc. She was not promiscuous (mutual friend who was good mates with her said this) but had that side to her that would be able to attract a lot of male attention. The net financial loss was probably £200 (food and drinks, travel, going out).

Girl B: I cannot remember where I met her but she was not from the UK. She was from a moderately conservative country. I introduced her to various British things (to help her ease into life in the UK). Each time she wanted help or to hang out, I would drop all my stuff to be with her. Also, on two occasions she asked to borrow money. On both occasions, I lent it without hesitation and to be fair to her, she paid me back within 3 days on both occasions. We would hold hands and kiss when we were out. She was a bit ditzy (such as leaving phones on trains etc). Throughout my time chasing, I dropped hints and after about 4 or 5 months, I plucked up the courage. She replied, ‘oh really? But I don’t want to date anyone at this stage of my life’. The net financial loss was probably around £300 (food and drinks, travel, going out).

Both experiences knocked my confidence a lot at the time especially as I think I was 'led on' slightly both times. I recovered after a few weeks on both occasions and luckily there was no major financial damage. From both experiences, I learnt to focus on myself more and to not chase after a few weeks (or 3 dates). I also learnt to use my time to research into this hobby and to save up for it!

JD

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You realise describing somewhat odd, exceptional or unique experiences with civvies is likely to make the confessor identifiable?

Offline Moby Dick

So you’ve spent £500 trying to get into a lasses knickers?
You’ve been lucky.

It becomes exponentially more expensive if they like you.
Just imagine if you got married, bought a house, had kids, stop having sex with her for several years, get divorced  :scare:
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So you’ve spent £500 trying to get into a lasses knickers?
You’ve been lucky.

It becomes exponentially more expensive if they like you.
Just imagine if you got married, bought a house, had kids, stop having sex with her for several years, get divorced  :scare:

Does anyone marry for the prospect of a long, gratifying sex life?

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Does anyone marry for the prospect of a long, gratifying sex life?

Hahaha! silly question when you know the answer!

The OP is in the "Friend Zone" being used a bit it happens a lot. But thats the way nature seems to have arranaged it like it or lump it.

As to married! yep been there dun that and it almost cost into 7 fucking figures the punt budget is nowhere absolutly nowhere  near that! mind you the sex some of the time was excellent but it was a big varaible.

But do expect  civvies to play you about, theres a new lexicon of words for that now, ghosting .. freezing .. catfishing and the rest..

And those two mentioned earlier?, you can bet theres some right Oik knocking them off somewhere usually is;!..

Punting is also a variable but less so
« Last Edit: October 16, 2021, 11:53:20 pm by Watts.E.Dunn »

Offline Rick2468

That's how I started punting. I looked at escort profiles for years as wank fodder but never thought I would ever book one as I thought it was disgusting. Then in 2012 I was dating a women and all was great except we only had sex 3 times in 6 months. She said she got mugged on holiday the year before and thought she was going to be raped so I thought she might have some trust issues that needed getting over. She had expensive tastes and whilst she was always very insistent in paying her way I spent 5 times the money on a night out with her then with my mates. I seriously liked her but then my friend told me she had been slipping with some other guy whilst she had been dating with me. I was gutted as I had spent £1,000s trying to woo her. I thought I could have banged loads of hot escorts for the money so a few weeks later I made a booking. I was still emotional though so didn't enjoy it but it got me started. The annoying thing is she ended up marrying the guy she was sleeping with. I know I'm bitter but I really wanted it to full apart.

Offline willie loman

You realise describing somewhat odd, exceptional or unique experiences with civvies is likely to make the confessor identifiable?

come on lighten up, the guys own mother couldnt identify him from those details.

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come on lighten up, the guys own mother couldnt identify him from those details.

Well he couldn't even identify where he met 'Girl B' :unknown:

I've very little patience so any behaviour of this sort wouldn't last long, so I don't really recall it happening.

Offline willie loman

Well he couldn't even identify where he met 'Girl B' :unknown:

I've very little patience so any behaviour of this sort wouldn't last long, so I don't really recall it happening.

we all learn about women at different speeds.

Offline JDSports

LLPunting- having read some of the discussion topics on here beforehand, I was aware of the fact that some facts need to be changed or withheld.

Moby Dick- you are right. Unfortunately it seems a lot of guys on here have been stung in that way =(

Watts.E.Dunn- I know, thankfully I realised soon(ish) and cut my losses.

Rick2468- at least you now know and have discovered this hobby!

JD

Offline fudi_maar



Girl A: I met her at a female friend’s party. We hung out loads afterwards, spoke daily on the phone and I also helped her out with loads of stuff (like moving house, giving her career tips as we were in the same industry etc). She was also into her social media- you know, the type who posts their ‘inspirational quotes’ with a stunning photo of themselves regularly in an attempt to get more likes. It was obvious that I was chasing and from the outset her response was, ‘yeah we will see where this goes’. In the 3 months or so that I chased, she would say things like, ‘you would make a great boyfriend you know? You are so kind, attentive’ on a regular basis. When I did suggest we should get together, she said, ‘you are putting pressure on me...why are all you guys the same?’ WTF? Obviously I was taken aback by this and decided to cut my losses- having reflected on this, I think she was one of those girls who liked male attention and knew she could call on Male 1 to do X for her, Male 2 to do Y for her etc. She was not promiscuous (mutual friend who was good mates with her said this) but had that side to her that would be able to attract a lot of male attention. The net financial loss was probably £200 (food and drinks, travel, going out).

JD

Good thread JD.

Until I learnt 'game', I used to be that guy you described above - I was a "beta orbiter". Attractive women have a harem of men who are there just to help and assist them, with moving furniture, fixing their heating, being their taxi driver, or just being an "emotional tampon" when they need a shoulder to cry on. It's a fundamental part of the female mindset. They keep these men interested with complements ("you'll make someone a great boyfriend", "you're such a lovely guy", blah blah) without giving up any pussy. Meanwhile, they're getting fucked in the back of a car by some Alpha bad-boy who treats them like shit. And then they cry on our shoulder with the "Oh, why can't I find someone nice?"

I think most of us have been used in this way at some point.

Learn game bro. You'll never let women get away with shit like this again.



Offline Mr Sinister

Good thread JD.


Learn game bro. You'll never let women get away with shit like this again.

To JDSports TLDR, this has been covered on here previously see civvie hookup thread further below.

Just to add what Fudi is explaining is that you need to learn 2 parts female nature i.e. how they act, what they do, the reason for it.

Secondly "game" how to interact with women, game has changed overtime(mystery method, PUA, TRP etc...) many people have put their own twist on it. It's a bit of a deep rabbit hole to go down.

Discovering Mystery/PUA taught me how to seduce, pickup women but that is quite limited long term like what happens if you step into a relationship with a girl? TRP showed me the truth on female nature and how/why they act the way they do. Saved me a whole load of time and money too.


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Chased after women who weren't into me when I was in my 20s. Total waste of time looking back and I probably missed out on experiences with women who were into me.

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To JDSports TLDR, this has been covered on here previously see civvie hookup thread further below.

Just to add what Fudi is explaining is that you need to learn 2 parts female nature i.e. how they act, what they do, the reason for it.

Secondly "game" how to interact with women, game has changed overtime(mystery method, PUA, TRP etc...) many people have put their own twist on it. It's a bit of a deep rabbit hole to go down.

Discovering Mystery/PUA taught me how to seduce, pickup women but that is quite limited long term like what happens if you step into a relationship with a girl? TRP showed me the truth on female nature and how/why they act the way they do. Saved me a whole load of time and money too.
Going even further back there was double your dating.

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Discovering Mystery/PUA taught me how to seduce, pickup women but that is quite limited long term like what happens if you step into a relationship with a girl? TRP showed me the truth on female nature and how/why they act the way they do. Saved me a whole load of time and money too.

Mr Sinister, we seem to be speaking the same language. Doesn't game also help in a LTR? Sure, there will be different elements of game that are used in pick-up as opposed to long-term, but the basics like holding frame, spotting shit-tests, and being outcome independent can still all be applied to relationships.

No?

Offline willie loman

Chased after women who weren't into me when I was in my 20s. Total waste of time looking back and I probably missed out on experiences with women who were into me.

i think a few of us are guilty of that,

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Mr Sinister, we seem to be speaking the same language. Doesn't game also help in a LTR? Sure, there will be different elements of game that are used in pick-up as opposed to long-term, but the basics like holding frame, spotting shit-tests, and being outcome independent can still all be applied to relationships.

No?

While I don’t use the same vocabulary, if I understand what you mean, then yes. Good game means making the woman feel good in a honest way that leaves the door open for a sexual relationship. This is sound logic as it’s the woman who ultimately decides, so ‘chasing her’ doesn’t make much sense. A similar technique, but completely divorced from PUA terminology, was written by a rhetorician. Rhetoric plays a similar game for multiple outcomes though he does give examples of how he uses it to get his wife into the mood.

Both the PUA and the rhetorician can say to the woman who spots that a technique is being used can say to her with a smile, “Yes, but are you enjoying it?” And expect the answer ‘yes’!

Women like being seduced if it’s done in the right way and they have complete freedom of choice. Our job is just to make that a bit easier for her.

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Women like being seduced if it’s done in the right way and they have complete freedom of choice. Our job is just to make that a bit easier for her.

^This. Whether they publicly admit to it or not. Seduction is like a dance....the man leads and the woman follows, and both parties glide seamlessly, enjoying the ritual.

Seduction is the subtle process of making her feel firstly comfortable, then attracted, and then stimulated verbally and emotionally, and then....being blunt about it.... making her wet between her legs simply by the talking, coaxing and the imagery created in her mind through the conversation. On occasion when I have done this, the hunt is as enjoyable as the final act of penetration.





Offline willie loman

^This. Whether they publicly admit to it or not. Seduction is like a dance....the man leads and the woman follows, and both parties glide seamlessly, enjoying the ritual.

Seduction is the subtle process of making her feel firstly comfortable, then attracted, and then stimulated verbally and emotionally, and then....being blunt about it.... making her wet between her legs simply by the talking, coaxing and the imagery created in her mind through the conversation. On occasion when I have done this, the hunt is as enjoyable as the final act of penetration.

when given the chance, women like pretending they are characters in a jane austen novel.

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I've never chased a woman,I'm also single.
These two things may be related.
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In terms of the whole 'turned you to punting' thing, there was someone who was interested in me at work but said she wouldn't while I was attached (she wasn't worth breaking up for) and it just remained a platonic will they/won't they soap opera thing, though there was once a drunken fumble.  It really got to me (quite serenely pretty but zero chebs) so I was punting in anger most nights to compensate, the beauty is looking back she was pretty meh really and I got to fuck some quality women.

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^This. Whether they publicly admit to it or not. Seduction is like a dance....the man leads and the woman follows, and both parties glide seamlessly, enjoying the ritual.

Seduction is the subtle process of making her feel firstly comfortable, then attracted, and then stimulated verbally and emotionally, and then....being blunt about it.... making her wet between her legs simply by the talking, coaxing and the imagery created in her mind through the conversation. On occasion when I have done this, the hunt is as enjoyable as the final act of penetration.

Indeed. One thing I would add is the focus on making on fun for both parties ...

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Over the years at the works xmas night out, and a few of them, were dinner & dance function in a hotel.  Some of us had booked rooms for  the night, and drink played a big part in what went on.   Both of us wake up in the morning, in the double bed, and realize what went on

Offline webpunter

You are the last of the big spenders
500 sheets over 7-8 months !
Food, drinks, going out & travel no less [did you catch the bus on the latter ?  :lol:]

Its impossible not to spend 500 sheets+ on a w/e trying to bang a civvie taking her away eating & drinking etc
Get a decent hotel & going out elsewhere apart from Wetherspoons & this is more like a night

No wonder you haven't got it over the line

At least you got to help them like putting up shelves & taking their stuff to the dump etc
Congratulations !  :sarcastic:

Girl A:
In the 3 months or so that I chased
The net financial loss was probably £200 (food and drinks, travel, going out).

Girl B:
Throughout my time chasing, I dropped hints and after about 4 or 5 months
The net financial loss was probably around £300 (food and drinks, travel, going out).

Edit:  nearly missed it, you took her shopping too - in JD Sports, incl. in the monkey
« Last Edit: October 19, 2021, 01:33:41 am by webpunter »

Offline Mr Sinister

Mr Sinister, we seem to be speaking the same language. Doesn't game also help in a LTR? Sure, there will be different elements of game that are used in pick-up as opposed to long-term, but the basics like holding frame, spotting shit-tests, and being outcome independent can still all be applied to relationships.

No?

No LTR are a different kettle of fish, you use game to seduce a woman but once your are in a LTR with her you cannot really use game. It becomes the time when you take charge and lead, that's why you need to learn female nature as a separate entity. You cannot really "game" in LTR of course you can do the basics which should be 2nd nature to you by then.

Offline Squire Haggard

That's how I started punting. I looked at escort profiles for years as wank fodder but never thought I would ever book one as I thought it was disgusting. Then in 2012 I was dating a women and all was great except we only had sex 3 times in 6 months. She said she got mugged on holiday the year before and thought she was going to be raped so I thought she might have some trust issues that needed getting over. She had expensive tastes and whilst she was always very insistent in paying her way I spent 5 times the money on a night out with her then with my mates. I seriously liked her but then my friend told me she had been slipping with some other guy whilst she had been dating with me. I was gutted as I had spent £1,000s trying to woo her. I thought I could have banged loads of hot escorts for the money so a few weeks later I made a booking. I was still emotional though so didn't enjoy it but it got me started. The annoying thing is she ended up marrying the guy she was sleeping with. I know I'm bitter but I really wanted it to full apart.

You might not feel so bad if you had let her insistence win and let her pay each time. In the distant past, I have also made the mistake of spending money trying to woo a civvie. Its a mistake that I will never repeat. I  wonder what she looks like now, decades later? Chances are I would  not even ride her into battle. :)

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No LTR are a different kettle of fish, you use game to seduce a woman but once your are in a LTR with her you cannot really use game. It becomes the time when you take charge and lead, that's why you need to learn female nature as a separate entity. You cannot really "game" in LTR of course you can do the basics which should be 2nd nature to you by then.

Then I think you’ve studied the wrong sort of ‘game’. If you’re in LTR you need to seduce her regularly unless you want it to go stale.

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You might not feel so bad if you had let her insistence win and let her pay each time. In the distant past, I have also made the mistake of spending money trying to woo a civvie. Its a mistake that I will never repeat. I  wonder what she looks like now, decades later? Chances are I would  not even ride her into battle. :)

This tickled me  :D, I know what she looks like decades on, we divorced 36 years ago, but I am fighting the urge to try again :unknown:
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come on lighten up, the guys own mother couldnt identify him from those details.

I was talking about how this might (should) restrain respondents to his OP, which sadly might deny us much of the schadenfreude and many really poignant examples.

Offline willie loman

I was talking about how this might (should) restrain respondents to his OP, which sadly might deny us much of the schadenfreude and many really poignant examples.

fair enough, its the odd bit of biographical reminiscence that makes threads like this interesting.

Offline webpunter

Is ex-sex on the horizon ?

I've done it, once with the ex-wifey forever ago
She really gave it the beans
Doing a review of the night i'd rate it as a strong positive

Would i recommend ?  yes - take her off my hands  :lol:
Will i revisit ? - nope

This tickled me  :D, I know what she looks like decades on, we divorced 36 years ago, but I am fighting the urge to try again :unknown:

Edit:  sex with ex GFs can be fun too.  With little / none of the fallout with the [ex] OH

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Is ex-sex on the horizon ?

I've done it, once with the ex-wifey forever ago
She really gave it the beans
Doing a review of the night i'd rate it as a strong positive

Would i recommend ?  yes - take her off my hands  :lol:
Will i revisit ? - nope

Edit:  sex with ex GFs can be fun too.  With little / none of the fallout with the [ex] OH

Lol, the spark is still there but who knows. but it is very much on my mind to find out.
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Is ex-sex on the horizon ?

I've done it, once with the ex-wifey forever ago
She really gave it the beans
Doing a review of the night i'd rate it as a strong positive

Would i recommend ?  yes - take her off my hands  :lol:
Will i revisit ? - nope

Edit:  sex with ex GFs can be fun too.  With little / none of the fallout with the [ex] OH

Really enjoyed weekly sex with ex I still had to live with. She took the break up hard and stopped working out, started comfort eating, didn't shave her bush etc was like boinking a completely new woman.

A bird I met on a dating app also got off on me telling her about it each time, double bubble.

Offline Iceman90

My experience dating 20 something British girls in particular was horrendous, especially the attractive ones. It seems like if a girl has anything remotely attractive about her, she knows it and is usually unbelievably arrogant with hundreds of guys chasing her. I’d imagine it’s even worse these days with social media and dating apps. I started dating foreign girls and it was a completely different experience. Even the attractive ones were nice and polite.  Shortly after I got into a LTR.

Offline Jayjay1

Great post JD- I was the same had few girls I was nice to and helped them out but never got anything and they complained about all these things to me and they were getting cock else where and play the innocent game.

I think its normal all nice guys gets played around and they turn into a Asshole. Now I don't waste time, girls just want sex as much as us, if we don't go for the kill , we get called a pussy.

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Wasted hundreds of ££££ on first dates that led to NOTHING!!! I met most women on various dating apps. I have always punted alongside going on dates with civvies.

I finally settled with my OH, but the sex is just dry. Once a while I still feel the itch. I punt few times a years
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