2024 Euros

[Jumping Jack Flash]

When you consider that the last Englishman to win the top division in England was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1992 - that was before the Premier League - then you can understand why managers who don’t have a glittering club management record are in with a shout of the England job.

[mr.bluesky]

When you consider that the last Englishman to win the top division in England was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1992 - that was before the Premier League - then you can understand why managers who don’t have a glittering club management record are in with a shout of the England job.

Yeah, all the successful managers from the last 30 years or more have all been non English.  Alex Ferguson,*  Pepe Guardiola, Klopp, Jose Mourinho mainly because all the big clubs seem to go for foreign managers.
* yes I know Alex Ferguson is not a foreign manager but he's not English

[daviemac]

In both of his full seasons in charge Eddie Howe's been the highest placed English manager in the premier league.

[ulstersubbie]

Yeah, all the successful managers from the last 30 years or more have all been non English.  Alex Ferguson,*  Pepe Guardiola, Klopp, Jose Mourinho mainly because all the big clubs seem to go for foreign managers.
* yes I know Alex Ferguson is not a foreign manager but he's not English

In the seventies you had Brian Clough, Don Revie and Bob Paisley all title winners and all English, yet England failed to qualify for the World Cup in 74 and 78.

[jackdaw]

The only thing I can think of is his man management and how he gets the very best out of the players, he plays them in the position that suits them best. Look at Joelinton, Steve Bruce brought him in, persevered with playing him up front where he was an absolute flop, Howe moved him back into midfield and he was player of the season who terrorised the opposition. He did that with all the players he inherited, he revitalised them and if they didn't buy into the new club ethos they were sent to train with the U21's. Plus he isn't frightened to drop players or make substitutions if it benefits the team.

Eddie Howe came in in November 2021 with Newcastle in the bottom 3, in Jan 22 he singed Trippier, Chriss Wood, Bruno, Matt Targett and Dan Burn but managed to finish the season 11th. Not forgetting Matt Targett couldn't get a game because Dan Burn made the left back position his own.

I should add Howe got Newcastle into a cup final for god knows how long and into the champions league for the first time in 20 odd years and that only went wrong through a dodgy penalty decision.

I'm quite sure if he'd been managing England at the Euros Kane would have been dropped at least after the second game.

We could always get the wally-with-the-brolly back with his "judge me after 10 games" then when it wasn't going well "no, I didn't mean the first 10, I meant another 10".

I think Howe would shade it (at least) in a straight comparison with Dyche.

But surprised Dyche almost never gets mentioned.

Here are what I see as his strong points.

First up, he's not going to be fazed by pressure...hes stayed calm under the real pressure of the relegation cosh loads of times.

I can't really see him being worried about player reps...if you don't train well and run hard for the team you're not in any side he picks.

He's just a bit older than Howe so may be more likely to really want the England job now. (And lets face Newcastle is a sweeter job than Everton).

And just like Eddie...I think he realises just how lucky he is to do job he does, I don't see either letting outside distractions make them lose focus on the job.

[JontyR]

Howe's teams are also easier on the eye. Which is what is particularly appealing right now.

[shed]

Howe's teams are also easier on the eye. Which is what is particularly appealing right now.

What does that mean

[Blackpool Rock]

I think Howe would shade it (at least) in a straight comparison with Dyche.

But surprised Dyche almost never gets mentioned.

Here are what I see as his strong points.

First up, he's not going to be fazed by pressure...hes stayed calm under the real pressure of the relegation cosh loads of times.

I can't really see him being worried about player reps...if you don't train well and run hard for the team you're not in any side he picks.

He's just a bit older than Howe so may be more likely to really want the England job now. (And lets face Newcastle is a sweeter job than Everton).

And just like Eddie...I think he realises just how lucky he is to do job he does, I don't see either letting outside distractions make them lose focus on the job.

I know he never really had any resource at the likes of Burnley and I did think he did a great job with what little he had but another one whose set up was defensive and making the side hard / horrible to play against rather than having flair players to attack with.

I'm thinking with Dyche we would get players playing like cart horses rather than thoroughbreds 

[JontyR]

What does that mean

I meant in comparison to a Sean Dyche team. Howe's sides are likely to be more attractive to watch as a neutral.
Dyche is very good at what he does, but his style is a bit more attritional.

[Stevelondon]

I know he never really had any resource at the likes of Burnley and I did think he did a great job with what little he had but another one whose set up was defensive and making the side hard / horrible to play against rather than having flair players to attack with.

I'm thinking with Dyche we would get players playing like cart horses rather than thoroughbreds 

He had to set his team up that way. He was hardly going to get his team to play at the levels of Man C was he. He did what had to be done with the squad he had.

[daviemac]

Howe's teams are also easier on the eye. Which is what is particularly appealing right now.

Despite all the injuries with 85 we scored a record number of goals last season with his high press attacking style of football, even more that in the 'entertainers' days under Keegan. Unfortunately those injuries meant we couldn't keep the same defence that did so well the year before.

I think we were the team with the highest number of different goal scorers in the league as well plus 8 different ones in one game and that's the style we love to watch.   

[mr.bluesky]

If Eddie Howe becomes England manager perhaps Anthony Gordan might get a game instead of a 10 minute substitute appearance.

[mr.bluesky]

In the seventies you had Brian Clough, Don Revie and Bob Paisley all title winners and all English, yet England failed to qualify for the World Cup in 74 and 78.

I remember reading Don Revie used to give the England player big dossiers on their opponents and opposition players. The England players used to bin them or use them to keep the score when playing cards in their card schools

[shed]

He had to set his team up that way. He was hardly going to get his team to play at the levels of Man C was he. He did what had to be done with the squad he had.

Dyche is an excellent manager whose only remit at Burnley was to keep them in the premier league. He did this for an number of years and then was sacked when they were eventually relegated. The owners appointment Kompany as they wanted a better style of football and that worked in gaining promotion from the championship. However they were relegated in he first season.  Kompany then moved to Munich. Dyche had to do a similar job at Everton and has a huge amount of credibility with the fan based.

So he hasn't really had an opportunity to manage a side with talented players and show his different style of play. He adapts very well to the situation. I think he is a great manager and I would have him over Eddie Howe anyday of the week

[Blackpool Rock]

Wonder if the Spanish team and in particular Alvaro Morata will face any consequences after starting a chant at their victory celebration in Madrid about Gibraltar being Spanish 

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Yep looks like the GFA complained 

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[mr.bluesky]

Former Germany manager Joachim Low is another name been mentioned for the England managers job. Would the FA go down the foreign manager route again 

[akauya]

UEFA 2024 Women's Under-19 EURO semi-final played yesterday:

England 1 - 3 Spain

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Spain in the final again, this time against the Netherlands.

I didn't even know there was a Women's and Men's Under 19 competition, surprised the UKP football experts didn't mention this.

[mr.bluesky]

UEFA 2024 Women's Under-19 EURO semi-final played yesterday:

England 1 - 3 Spain

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Spain in the final again, this time against the Netherlands.

I didn't even know there was a Women's and Men's Under 19 competition, surprised the UKP football experts didn't mention this.

Looking at the clip you posted it looks like that women's game of Wendy ball is played at a training ground in front of a crowd of about a dozen people.  There's your answer.

[akauya]

Looking at the clip you posted it looks like that women's game of Wendy ball is played at a training ground in front of a crowd of about a dozen people.  There's your answer.

So you experts only watch football when there is a large crowd? I thought you watched it because you like the game? Fair enough 

[mr.bluesky]

So you experts only watch football when there is a large crowd? I thought you watched it because you like the game? Fair enough 

Us  "experts" only watch football when it's played by men. Wendy ball is a different sport.

[akauya]

Us  "experts" only watch football when it's played by men. Wendy ball is a different sport.

Oh dear, you sound like one of those dinosaur snowflakes frightened/offended/threatened by women's football. I hope that's not the case.

All the best mate 

[mr.bluesky]

Oh dear, you sound like one of those dinosaur snowflakes frightened/offended/threatened by women's football. I hope that's not the case.

All the best mate 

I've been called many things in my time especially by people on here but I don't think I'd class myself as a " snowflake"  dinosaur maybe  but no offence taken 

[timsussex]

To reuse a quote from Dr Johnson (c1780) and originally about women Preachers

Its like a dog walking upright on its hind legs - it isnt done particularly well but one is surprised to see it done at all

I would rather watch my local level 6 mens team - probably an equivalent standard to  Englands Women and only costs me a couple of quid

[webpunter]

To reuse a quote from Dr Johnson (c1780) and originally about women Preachers

Its like a dog walking upright on its hind legs - it isnt done particularly well but one is surprised to see it done at all

I would rather watch my local level 6 mens team - probably an equivalent standard to  Englands Women and only costs me a couple of quid

   a great analogy
I've seen many a better match when the boys were playing kids footy

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On 1'55" unless i'm mistaken GKs can touch the ball inside the 18 yard box [the coach's face & one of the other players faces say it all]
& on 3'05" the defender seems to have forgotten which end she's at

Wimin dont seem to have a scooby about footy rules
At school the rugby team would play the [girls] hockey team end of the season, we didnt know what we were doing [& we got battered]
So it works both ways

Anyways if you want to keep up with Wendy ball on both the bbc sports & sky footy app the results & league tables are showing in order:  prem / WSL / championship / league 1 & 2 etc
IMO this is disrespectful to the championship & L1 & L2
Tho the WSL should be above / before the sweaty leagues, obvs   

[timsussex]

....
At school the rugby team would play the [girls] hockey team end of the season, we didnt know what we were doing [& we got battered]
So it works both ways

....

but at our school the boys cricket team challenged - and beat the girls at hockey 2-0 - only once they wouldnt play the following years
1) we played straight "bats"
2) werent afraid of the ball - they realy were surprised when the goalie caught a hard goal bound shot - we didnt have the huge pads they have now
3) scored after a classic 1- 2  "wall pass "

[Blackpool Rock]

Lee Carsley will take charge for the 2 Nations league games in September, makes perfect sense in the interim as someone needs to do it until a permanent manager is chosen.
I'm not sure how much can be read into this though as he's the logical choice to do it on a temporary basis as they couldn't put anyone else in charge without then offering them the job full time

Perhaps if he wins both games then it's as good as his 
I see he's now favourite in the betting just ahead of Graham Potter and Davie will be pleased that Eddie Howe has gone out to 5/1
Lots of other names still mentioned but then again don't they say always back the outsider in a 3 horse race 

Carsley would seem like a good choice IMO and he won the under 21's European championships playing a more attacking style of football which is what most fans would like to see and what Southgate was criticised for not doing

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[daviemac]

Carsley would seem like a good choice IMO and he won the under 21's European championships playing a more attacking style of football which is what most fans would like to see and what Southgate was criticised for not doing

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Maybe player of the tournament at the u21's Euros Anthony Gordon will get a bit more than the few minutes Southgate gave him?   

[Blackpool Rock]

Wonder if the Spanish team and in particular Alvaro Morata will face any consequences after starting a chant at their victory celebration in Madrid about Gibraltar being Spanish 

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Morata and Rodri both banned for 1 game, not exactly an excessive punishment but at least something was done and seen to be done 

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[Blackpool Rock]

Maybe player of the tournament at the u21's Euros Anthony Gordon will get a bit more than the few minutes Southgate gave him?   

Any new manager will slightly favour players who they know better and have previously worked with, I remember thinking Southgate was a breath of fresh air when he 1st started as he got rid of some of the older players who were part of the furniture and brought in keen young players who were fresh and up for it

Southgate then fell into the same trap of being too loyal to players who he'd helped nurture and not only including them in the squad but seemingly they were automatic choices to start if they were fit.

Realistically you need a balance and mix of older more experienced players and fresh young talent who are happy to run for every ball, ultimately the manager has to be prepared to let down guys who he's built up a good playing and personal relationship with and that must be a hard thing to do but it's about the team not the individual