Ladies getting off lightly in the courts

[Squire Haggard]

I've seen countless examples of women getting off lightly, in cases where a man would almost certainly be jailed. 13 counts of fraud totalling £1m gets her a two year suspended sentence. What would a man get?



''Rugby star Gareth Cooper's ex-wife has been ordered to pay him back just £1 after swindling him out of £1million by fraudulently claiming mortgages and loans in his name.

The former British Lions and Wales player, 41, had set up two gyms and freight businesses to be run by his wife Debra Leyshon.

But Leyshon, 41, claimed loans and mortgages on the family home and four other properties - while falsely alleging that the businesses were 'thriving'.

She was handed a two-year suspended sentence at Cardiff Crown court after pleading guilty to 13 counts of fraud totalling more than £1million.

The ex-Wales scrum half, who has been forced to move back in with his parents as he faces £120,000 in legal fees, said he was 'deceived and manipulated' by 'the person I trusted the most'.


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[Adoniron]

Happens all the time its no surprise. Women usually have to do something really bad to get locked up. The childcare card usually plays well. Also its amazing how many of them seem to get pregnant between being charged and sentenced 🤔

[daviemac]

Have you got any examples of where men have been jailed for a similar offence? because the two men in this case also got suspended sentences.   

Leyshon's business partner Simon Thomas, 47, and associate Mark Lee also received suspended sentences after admitting counts of fraud

Seems consistent sentencing here. 

[Squire Haggard]

Have you got any examples of where men have been jailed for a similar offence? because the two men in this case also got suspended sentences.   

Seems consistent sentencing here.

I'll admit to not reading the whole article.

The courts have given them a licence to steal IMO.

I dont have examples to hand of similar cases. I do have the memory of many cases in the DM where I agree with hundreds or thousands of others in the comments after articles showing  women being let off lightly when compared to a man. I can post more on this thread when another case comes up, as long as I dont bore others in the process. 

[scutty brown]

Something from distant memory - I think I've got this right

I think there's a legal loophole here.........in the assumption the woman at the moment is bankrupt and unable to papy anything back, I believe the £1 damages will enable him to appeal if/when she does come into money.
If a restitution order were made now for the whole lot, inability to pay over a certain time period (seven years????) makes the order unenforcable

[lostandfound]

I'll admit to not reading the whole article.

The courts have given them a licence to steal IMO.

I dont have examples to hand of similar cases. I do have the memory of many cases in the DM where I agree with hundreds or thousands of others in the comments after articles showing  women being let off lightly when compared to a man. I can post more on this thread when another case comes up, as long as I dont bore others in the process. 

Erm, I don't wish to be Readers-of-the-Daily-Mail-ist but, 

[scutty brown]

I'll admit to not reading the whole article.

The courts have given them a licence to steal IMO.

I dont have examples to hand of similar cases. I do have the memory of many cases in the DM where I agree with hundreds or thousands of others in the comments after articles showing  women being let off lightly when compared to a man. I can post more on this thread when another case comes up, as long as I dont bore others in the process. 

You're sounding like Anth's twin brother

[Squire Haggard]

Something from distant memory - I think I've got this right

I think there's a legal loophole here.........in the assumption the woman at the moment is bankrupt and unable to papy anything back, I believe the £1 damages will enable him to appeal if/when she does come into money.
If a restitution order were made now for the whole lot, inability to pay over a certain time period (seven years????) makes the order unenforcable

That's interesting.

She should still be in the slammer though. I would not be surprised if she manages to stay 'penniless'  or flee the country.

[90125]

I'll admit to not reading the whole article.

The courts have given them a licence to steal IMO.

I dont have examples to hand of similar cases. I do have the memory of many cases in the DM where I agree with hundreds or thousands of others in the comments after articles showing  women being let off lightly when compared to a man. I can post more on this thread when another case comes up, as long as I dont bore others in the process. 

Suggest in future you spend more time review writing and less time reading the Daily Fail 

[Squire Haggard]

You're sounding like Anth's twin brother

If you are referring to me not reading the article, its because I've seen so many cases of ladies of getting off lightly, that I really did not feel the need to read it thoroughly.

You were attacking Jimmyredcab and Nik the other day in a now pulled thread. So now its my turn.

[daviemac]

I'll admit to not reading the whole article.

The courts have given them a licence to steal IMO.

I dont have examples to hand of similar cases. I do have the memory of many cases in the DM where I agree with hundreds or thousands of others in the comments after articles showing  women being let off lightly when compared to a man. I can post more on this thread when another case comes up, as long as I dont bore others in the process. 

Might've paid you to.   

There's a lot to consider when passing sentence for fraud, like who is likely to be harmed and the level of that harm. I would think defrauding the government would be near the top of the list, I imagine defrauding your husband or wife would be very near the bottom.

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[Squire Haggard]

Suggest in future you spend more time review writing and less time reading the Daily Fail 

Punting was a way of life in the past for me. In recent years, I've got a slight medical problem which deters me from punting. My last punt was in 2015, hence no reviews.

[MilleMiglia]

If you are referring to me not reading the article, its because I've seen so many cases of ladies of getting off lightly, that I really did not feel the need to read it thoroughly.

You were attacking Jimmyredcab and Nik the other day in a now pulled thread. So now its my turn.

With you 100% - the phrase "Pussy Pass" didn't come into being for no reason.

[Squire Haggard]

With you 100% - the phrase "Pussy Pass" didn't come into being for no reason.

 

[Squire Haggard]

I'm not surprised by the results of this research....

''This reveals that men are substantially more likely to be sent to prison than women FOR THE SAME CATEGORY OF CRIME – whatever the category of crime (the only exception being drug offences for which there is negligible disparity). Thus, it is not the case that men are being sent to prison more often because they are committing more serious crimes (for example violent crimes as opposed to, say, minor shop-lifting). It does not matter what crimes a man commits – whatever it is, he will be far more likely to go to prison than a women committing the same crime. I conclude that the average disparity factor of 3.4 is predominantly due to gender bias.''

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''We explore the presence of gender sentencing disparities using large samples of assault, burglary and drugs offences from the Crown Court Sentencing Survey. We find significantly harsher sentences imposed on male offenders even after controlling for most case characteristics, including mitigating factors such as 'caring responsibilities'. Specifically, the odds ratios of receiving a custodial sentence for offences of assault, burglary and drugs committed by a man as opposed to a woman are 2.84, 1.89 and 2.72. To put it in context, with the exception of offences 'with intent to commit serious harm', the gender effect was stronger than any other 'harm and culpability' factor for offences of assault. These disparities do not seem to stem primarily from differential interpretations of offender dangerousness. It is possible that they might be due to lower rates of reoffending amongst female offenders, or to the higher punitive effect of custodial sentences on women. What seems clear is that sentencing is not gender neutral. If gender-specific sentencing guidelines are to be developed in the future it would be important that the noted disparities are taken in consideration.''

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[Chorley]

So women get off lightly do they?
Tell that to the postmasters, many of who were women, who were dragged through the courts by the Post Office and charged based on dodgy sotware that the top bosses knew was faulty and would mean takings did not add up.
One poor cow was sent down while pregnant.  As far as I know they've still not been totally exonerated. 

[robsmith149]

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[Animalbeast]

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Lavinia Woodward, judge didn’t jail her because it would damage her prospects of becoming a “heart surgeon” pretty sure any man who stabbed his GF would get jailed and such an act would be viewed as him being unsuitable for a job in medicine. But tbh I think it’s mostly because judges are older and grew up in a culture that is alien to today.

So yeah. Considering how easily they get off in court ..... I’m surprised they ain’t booking day spas there   

[Chorley]

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Lavinia Woodward, judge didn’t jail her because it would damage her prospects of becoming a “heart surgeon” pretty sure any man who stabbed his GF would get jailed and such an act would be viewed as him being unsuitable for a job in medicine. But tbh I think it’s mostly because judges are older and grew up in a culture that is alien to today.

So yeah. Considering how easily they get off in court ..... I’m surprised they ain’t booking day spas there   

Nope. That was more to do with her being an over priviliged Oxbridge student from the 'right" background. If she'd been some chav from a council estate she'd be doing time.

[Animalbeast]

Nope. That was more to do with her being an over priviliged Oxbridge student from the 'right" background. If she'd been some chav from a council estate she'd be doing time.

True. But also true that a man in her situation stabbing his gf would do time. Undoubtedly less then a male chav, but he’d still do time.

[catweazle]

Punting was a way of life in the past for me. In recent years, I've got a slight medical problem which deters me from punting. My last punt was in 2015, hence no reviews.

So if you haven't punted in 5 years, what are you doing on a punting site?

[pewpewpew]

There was a case not too long ago where a woman was drunk driving and crashed a bit and was told by the (female) judge that if she (the defendant) was a man she'd be sentencing her to prison