Author Topic: Anyone else feel tracing app close to Gattaca ?  (Read 3288 times)


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The usual old bollocks washed with the usual old flannel!!   :angry:   :mad:


You should always use a fresh flannel, you could end up with mouldy bollocks.

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You should always use a fresh flannel, you could end up with mouldy bollocks.

 :lol:   :D 

Wasn't that Lieutenant Pigeon?   :cool:   :P

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He shouldn't have left his loaves to prove in a pair of his old underpants  :vomit:

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He shouldn't have left his loaves to prove in a pair of his old underpants  :vomit:

That's why I never eat my crusts!   :scare:

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I think the App will be far from perfect and the govt knows that, whether because it's been made too 'loose' to placate the govt-control theorists, or because not enough people have modern enough phones.
But I think they've said that they only need around 60% take-up for it to be overall useful? Saying that might in itself have been a mistake of course, everyone might think well in that case I'll let some other poor fucker download it  :rolleyes:.
Results from the Isle of Wight trial will be interesting, anyone know when they'll be in?
We, the public, won't get to see the publication of the test results from the Isle Of Wight trial. That is blindingly obvious.
Public Health England refused to make public the results of their 'tests' on out-of-date and expired PPE equipment when journalists and the media were asking for that information to be in the public domain. The reason? Obviously something to hide such as 'safety issues were breached but there is a chronic shortage so we'll send it out anyway'.
So I wouldn't hold your breath that the NHSX app triallers will make their findings public.
I thought most App Developers were spotty teenagers in their bedrooms, gorging on pizza in-between writing code (and having a crafty wank, probably)?
:D A touch cynical perhaps, but you've hit the nail on the head that they're undoubtedly at the younger end of the spectrum, so between 18 to 30 I would hazard a guess. And 18 to 30 year olds in general seem to think they know best. They display a reluctance or inability to listen, talk to, liaise with, and take on board the concerns that generally older,  wiser,  more experienced heads in requirements, testing, integration and rollout are raising. Mainly it's not so much to do with stubbornness,  but ensuring that the software design project meets with and sticks to deadlines, and sod the quality.
I disagree. I expect there are still basic problems with the app, as described in the Register report, and other reports in the press.
Do you have a lot of experience developing software for mobile applications?
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement by lostandfound.
Testing and systems integration are where these kinds of issues will be found. Individual departments such as design, requirements etc work in their own little bubble and generally do not appreciate these 'real world' issues til the software development has moved too far along so that mistakes are difficult and costly to put right.
I think it was significant on last Sunday's Andrew Marr Show that Marr was repeatedly pressing Grant Shapps Transport Secretary for an answer to his question 'are the government considering a second TT&T app, as well as the NHSX one? ' (and getting nowhere of course in terms of a clear and concise answer from Shapps).
Also, Ch4 news mentioned midweek, that although the IOW trials had been completed a fortnight ago, there was yet no sign of the NHSX app being started to be more widely deployed across the country.
What an utter and complete shambles!
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I think there'll have to be some kind of information about how well the new App worked (or otherwise) on the Isle of Wight, purely because people are being requested to load it onto their own personal phones. In that way it's different from tests on whether PPE were good enough. The fact that they 'pulled' some of them means that at least some due diligence was being done.

If it all goes quiet on the App front though, that will in itself be telling, and questions will soon be asked where it is and when it's gonna be rolled out.

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There's 'something' called "COVID-19 exposure notifications" appeared on my Android phone. Must've been in a Google update?

Go to settings, scroll down and click on Google. It's deactivated, at the moment but I wouldn't trust them not to have installed hidden monitoring spy things?

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There's 'something' called "COVID-19 exposure notifications" appeared on my Android phone. Must've been in a Google update?

Go to settings, scroll down and click on Google. It's deactivated, at the moment but I wouldn't trust them not to have installed hidden monitoring spy things?
Thanks for update Sir :hi: I wondered just how long before stuff was slipped in to systems  :( :(

There you we are on our way!! and you buggers that did not clap for nhs and get on one knee will be on the list :scare: :scare: :scare:

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I wouldn't worry about the app, it's nowhere near ready and the private sector provider Serco has a record of a failure a mile long.  Apparently there's call centres full of staff they recruited for it sat doing literally nothing.

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I wouldn't worry about the app, it's nowhere near ready and the private sector provider Serco has a record of a failure a mile long.  Apparently there's call centres full of staff they recruited for it sat doing literally nothing.

I can't believe how long it has taken to sort the app. Quite embarrassing to be honest. The inquiry into the handling of Covid should be damming.

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I can't believe how long it has taken to sort the app. Quite embarrassing to be honest. The inquiry into the handling of Covid should be damming.

Just typical of the govt response overall. Like the 18,000 contact tracers by, well, around now. Or the 100K / 200K tests per day, or whatever the latest figure is.

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This is worth watching in relation to South Korea External Link/Members Only

Their system is on another level and one which no western country would agree to. It involves multiple personal data sources such as phones and credit card usage combined with cctv  .. all integrated into a system which can show where you have been who you have been in contact with etc within 10 minutes of the system wanting to. All complimented by call handlers and boots on the ground.

All the clip is worth watching but the electronic surveillance bit begins at about 13 minutes in.

Anyone entering the country must quarantine for 14 days but they put a tracker on your phone and if you don't comply you face a hefty fine and deportation.

Despite being light years ahead of the UK in TTT@T (South Korea has four T's) they have been battling with further recent outbreaks. Not sure we stand a chance of making our T&T work to any worthwhile degree?

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Despite being light years ahead of the UK in TTT@T (South Korea has four T's) they have been battling with further recent outbreaks. Not sure we stand a chance of making our T&T work to any worthwhile degree?


Undoubtedly S. Korea has been bang on top of all this from the very start.

They are indeed having local outbreaks now, but because they're starting from such a low level, and because they have the very intrusive monitoring that most would baulk at here, they reckon that in a lot of cases, within an hour they can track down any contacts of a newly-diagnosed Covid victim.

We'll never get anywhere near that.

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Undoubtedly S. Korea has been bang on top of all this from the very start.

They are indeed having local outbreaks now, but because they're starting from such a low level, and because they have the very intrusive monitoring that most would baulk at here, they reckon that in a lot of cases, within an hour they can track down any contacts of a newly-diagnosed Covid victim.

We'll never get anywhere near that.

They also decided 24 hours was too long for viral antigen test results so this is also now within an hour .. as little as 10 minutes. When the contacts are traced they test them also. We just ask them to stay at home for 14 days.

If you look at their level of PPE also ... even in the testing station 'booths' .. not a bin bag in sight ... although they do acknowledge their healthcare system would not have been able to cope and a total lockdown may have been needed.

Offline winkywanky

They have done brilliantly.

In reality of course, our situation in this country means it would be simply impossible to have that kind of control. But that doesn't get away from the fact that we've failed pretty dismally time after time during the whole crisis.

Part of that is because the govt have been a bit shit, part of it is that a large part of our population (large enough to fuck it up, anyway) doesn't really give a shit, are reluctant to follow any rules and are always looking for any excuse to break them.

Offline casio

the whole 'tracing app' bollocks is a £250M jobs-for-the-boys bung job for gov insiders, nobody is realistically expecting it to be used mainstream, like many projects it'll get dropped and forgotten about in 6 months.

Sorry for the bump of an old topic, but fuck me, it only took a month.  :lol:
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The Grauniad linked to this page today. External Link/Members Only

No way I'm partaking in voluntary state surveillance... On the other hand, I have been selected to take part in the antibody test and very happy to provide the information and results the gov need for that one. 
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