Pimp with HIV jailed

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[winkywanky]

What a complete cunt.

12yrs inside almost doesn't seem enough. Well of course it isn't, I guess if he doesn't rape anyone in the showers he'll be out in six   .

Piece of shit.

[Horizontal pleasures]

How many of the women he impregnated were on the game?

[winkywanky]

Who knows, it'a almost immaterial?

Whether you're a WG or not, to be knowingly and purposely given HIV is appalling.

The damage to 'earning potential' almost pales into insignificance.

Thank God modern treatments are so good now.

[hornyguylondon]

Who knows, it'a almost immaterial?

Whether you're a WG or not, to be knowingly and purposely given HIV is appalling.

The damage to 'earning potential' almost pales into insignificance.

Thank God modern treatments are so good now.

This was a real shocker to me, hard to believe anyone could knowingly do that to anyone !

Just shaking my head as I write tbh 

Not up on treatments to be fair, will the people affected recover ok ?

[winkywanky]

I think modern HIV medication is excellent, and especially if you start treatment quickly, you can pretty well live a normal life, without the fear of having it shortened.

But of course it's something you'll always have to tell others when getting into a new relationship. Many would be put off. Truly awful.

[Londonpunter30]

Interesting difference between the two articles.  He was sentenced before for being a pimp, but nothing to indicate he still is.  Of course it makes a better headline so that’s what the daily mail used, although sure it needed to be in caps

[LLPunting]

I think modern HIV medication is excellent, and especially if you start treatment quickly, you can pretty well live a normal life, without the fear of having it shortened.

But of course it's something you'll always have to tell others when getting into a new relationship. Many would be put off. Truly awful.

To be clear it's a life-time treatment currently, not a cure.  So the victims will be a burden to the state until a cure comes along and of course they will suffer the stigma and stress of living with the condition.

With any luck he'll prove so un-useful and contemptible to those inside that they'll rape him to death with a broken broom handle.  Back off to play CoD and work off this lockdown fever...

[cotton]

Fair play to the police for taking it seriously and investigating and building such a compelling case against him , total scumbag, hopefully dies in prison.

[winkywanky]

To be clear it's a life-time treatment currently, not a cure.  So the victims will be a burden to the state until a cure comes along and of course they will suffer the stigma and stress of living with the condition.

With any luck he'll prove so un-useful and contemptible to those inside that they'll rape him to death with a broken broom handle.  Back off to play CoD and work off this lockdown fever...

Indeed, I did allude to that with my mention of having to tell any future partners, but worth saying clearly.

I think there have been reports of some long-term patients on treatment reaching a point where they have zero virus present and can be pretty well considered as cured, but certainly not everyone, and there certainly is no actual cure as yet.

[Doc Holliday]

Interesting difference between the two articles.  He was sentenced before for being a pimp, but nothing to indicate he still is.  Of course it makes a better headline so that’s what the daily mail used, although sure it needed to be in caps

Yes the relevance to him being a pimp (and when this was) is obscure in the whole scheme of things? As you say makes for a better headline.

Given that he is clearly a 'badun' generally, with 29 assorted convictions and that two of the women who tested positive have known him since teenage years, you have to question their willingness to have unprotected sex with him?

We do not of course know how many of the other 50+ women also had unprotected sex with him, but I suspect that is likely to be high also?

[Hobbit]

To be clear it's a life-time treatment currently, not a cure.  So the victims will be a burden to the state until a cure comes along and of course they will suffer the stigma and stress of living with the condition.

With any luck he'll prove so un-useful and contemptible to those inside that they'll rape him to death with a broken broom handle.  Back off to play CoD and work off this lockdown fever...

Nobody is a burden to the state. Everyone has something to give to society and there are many people with health issues who are contributing either by working or doing charity work in their own way. I really don't like it when people think that people with health issues are burdens. There are many fat lazy fuckers out there who can work but choose not to and claim benefits and produce many children even though they can't afford to maintain them. Those people you could call burdens if you had to call someone that.

[scutty brown]

I think the relevance to him being  a pimp is that the Mail were trying to suggest that some or all of those women were escorts.
I'd go further and suspect that some of the 50 were his team. The paper wouldn't be allowed to directly report that due to the anonymity given to victims of sexual crimes.
I'd take the reports as indicating he made a habit of barebacking the local prozzies -some working for him

[Doc Holliday]

I think the relevance to him being  a pimp is that the Mail were trying to suggest that some or all of those women were escorts.
I'd go further and suspect that some of the 50 were his team. The paper wouldn't be allowed to directly report that due to the anonymity given to victims of sexual crimes.
I'd take the reports as indicating he made a habit of barebacking the local prozzies -some working for him

There is a more detail here. It seems most of the women were described as 'vulnerable' for a variety of reasons?

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As indicated he has a long history of crime. External Link/Members Only

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Surely long since a case of 'lock up and throw away the key'?

[t0mm13]

Perhaps inside he can pimp himself out and be given his just deserts.

[george r]

this cunt should be locked up for 25 years !!

[LLPunting]

Nobody is a burden to the state. Everyone has something to give to society and there are many people with health issues who are contributing either by working or doing charity work in their own way. I really don't like it when people think that people with health issues are burdens. There are many fat lazy fuckers out there who can work but choose not to and claim benefits and produce many children even though they can't afford to maintain them. Those people you could call burdens if you had to call someone that.

Sorry, if you took offence, but everyone who takes more than they put in is a burden to the state.  These particular victims presumably never intended to suffer from HIV and if as you say they will contribute to society as the average working person would (and equally also take as the average person would) then their cost is at least the cost of the HIV treatment more than the average person, i.e. they're more expensive to support.  If some of these ladies were in fact WGs then it's quite likely they would potentially be an exceptional draw on any manner of welfare services going forward.
You can argue the value of the well-being that a WG delivers to society by diffusing male tensions but sadly there are many anti-social costs arising from the manner in which the prostitution industry currently functions.
You can also argue the detrimental cost that the wealthy levy on society across all variables too.
It's a big-hearted thing to believe that every individual has more to give society through their own endeavour, compassion and creativity (beyond the economics) than they take but it is a falsehood for many.  If we were all net improvers or indeed society was gaining overall then things wouldn't be as dire, self-indulged and unequal as they are.  And this isn't just a sum about humanity to humanity this is about humanity as part of the greater "success" of the planet.

[Hobbit]

Sorry, if you took offence, but everyone who takes more than they put in is a burden to the state.  These particular victims presumably never intended to suffer from HIV and if as you say they will contribute to society as the average working person would (and equally also take as the average person would) then their cost is at least the cost of the HIV treatment more than the average person, i.e. they're more expensive to support.  If some of these ladies were in fact WGs then it's quite likely they would potentially be an exceptional draw on any manner of welfare services going forward.
You can argue the value of the well-being that a WG delivers to society by diffusing male tensions but sadly there are many anti-social costs arising from the manner in which the prostitution industry currently functions.
You can also argue the detrimental cost that the wealthy levy on society across all variables too.
It's a big-hearted thing to believe that every individual has more to give society through their own endeavour, compassion and creativity (beyond the economics) than they take but it is a falsehood for many.  If we were all net improvers or indeed society was gaining overall then things wouldn't be as dire, self-indulged and unequal as they are.  And this isn't just a sum about humanity to humanity this is about humanity as part of the greater "success" of the planet.

I understand what you're saying but you're looking at this in monetary terms and a lot of people do contribute to society in different ways and like you said they also take and create problems in society too. It goes in circles. If we only look at things in monetary terms then questions would arise like who is responsible for elderly, disabled or people with life-threatening illnesses? Is it society, is it the government or should they just be left to die? I think this is a hard question which many people have never answered or want to answer. 

[LLPunting]

I understand what you're saying but you're looking at this in monetary terms and a lot of people do contribute to society in different ways and like you said they also take and create problems in society too. It goes in circles. If we only look at things in monetary terms then questions would arise like who is responsible for elderly, disabled or people with life-threatening illnesses? Is it society, is it the government or should they just be left to die? I think this is a hard question which many people have never answered or want to answer. 

Pls read my reply again, I specifically do not mention just financial terms.  An aspiring compassionate civil society that is a capitalist one like ours will always be bound by its obsession with money (let alone entitlement and immorality).  Sadly much of the inequality and division roots from haves and have nots and the seemingly disenfranchised who may have genuinely been discriminated against by policy or enactment or illegal civilian action, these injustices have been perpetrated across racial, regional, socio-economic, age and disability boundaries (amongst others).
Some of those motivators were at play in the sensationalised reporting of the criminal subject of this thread.

[Licking Lizard]

Indeed, I did allude to that with my mention of having to tell any future partners, but worth saying clearly.

I think there have been reports of some long-term patients on treatment reaching a point where they have zero virus present and can be pretty well considered as cured, but certainly not everyone, and there certainly is no actual cure as yet.

Definitely not cured but thankfully not infectious anymore.   

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[winkywanky]

Thanks for the link Lizard.

I thought I'd heard that a few people with longstanding zero viral load (due to anti-retroviral drugs) had actually been effectively cured of HIV.

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But this is very rare.

[Home Alone]

Nobody is a burden to the state. Everyone has something to give to society and there are many people with health issues who are contributing either by working or doing charity work in their own way. I really don't like it when people think that people with health issues are burdens. There are many fat lazy fuckers out there who can work but choose not to and claim benefits and produce many children even though they can't afford to maintain them. Those people you could call burdens if you had to call someone that.

It would surely be difficult to support the view that the bloke who was the subject of the OP won't be a burden to the state for at least the next six years, wouldn't it, Hobbit? A small, maybe infinitesimal, amount of our taxes will be going towards the cost of the Prison Service in whichever nick he will be serving his sentence.

[MrMatrix]

Basically he will have ruined so many lives doing this. Yes its appalling. He should be chemically castrated so he NEVER is tempted or has the ability to do such a vile thing again. No half measures..

[scutty brown]

Basically he will have ruined so many lives doing this. Yes its appalling. He should be chemically castrated so he NEVER is tempted or has the ability to do such a vile thing again. No half measures..

Why chemically? Just crush his nuts in a vice. Or with a lump hammer

[MrMatrix]

Why chemically? Just crush his nuts in a vice. Or with a lump hammer

Dont disagree, it would be preferable. But in our do good, every ones got human right society, I think I'd get away chemically castrateing the bastard.

[B4bcock]

Dont disagree, it would be preferable. But in our do good, every ones got human right society, I think I'd get away chemically castrateing the bastard.

My chemical of choice would be hydrochloric acid . . . . . slowly dripped on to each bollock in turn.