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Offline jamesfrome

I must thank all the EM working girls for hiking their prices to £100 per 30 mins.
It has saved me a fortune and made my bank balance healthier.
Derby used to be great for a British girl around 70 to 80 quid but not £100. When working here I like a quick pump and dump but not anymore

Thanks ladies for not offering good vfm

Rant over

Offline Newtothisstuff

These prices are taking the piss. At £100 for a half hour booking, they're charging £3.33 per minute!
Who is stupid enough to pay that kind of money? Especially when you look at some of the profiles and see that the girl is nothing special with 'likes' list that isn't all that long either.

A couple of years ago, the average was £50-60 per half hour. Prices have doubled. When you start seeing 52 year old size 18 women charging £90 for 30 minutes, you know it's time to find something else to do with your spare time and money.

Offline X3 Guy

Supply and demand, I’m guessing there are plenty of fools out there willing to pay. I’ve not punted for a while now, just not willing to pay- I even begrudge paying 70 for 30 mins.  :thumbsdown:

Offline recycler

and in the south east and east anglia area I am seeing £200ph and £250ph for young english talent. £100 and £120 per half hour. WTF!!!
Is this the grey pound at work?

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Offline threechilliman

Same in Manc and its saved me a fortune. The odd punt here and there but nothing more. TBH I don't really miss it either.

Offline Ramone78

Yep, its saved me fortunes.
Not only has the basic rate increased, but the list of extras seems to have increased too.
I've not punted for a year

Offline jame75

Wouldn't pay more than 60 for half hour.

Offline bdyno

Supply and demand, I’m guessing there are plenty of fools out there willing to pay. I’ve not punted for a while now, just not willing to pay- I even begrudge paying 70 for 30 mins.  :thumbsdown:
We need to find those fools and stop them. 

Too many girls in all the areas I visit are pushing prices too far.  I've only been punting a couple of years, but an hour has gone up from 100, to 120, now hitting 150 for just an average girl.  150 is my absolute limit for something special, but I'm sticking more and more to my regular girls who keep me on their old prices because they know I'm a reliable customer.

If everyone here would agree a limit and stick to it, the girls would be forced to keep their prices reasonable.  As long as those fools are out there who will pay whatever a girl asks, their prices will continue to rise.

Offline Belgarion

Same in Manc and its saved me a fortune. The odd punt here and there but nothing more. TBH I don't really miss it either.

That's the thing. I'm punting less and do not have the urge anymore.

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That's the thing. I'm punting less and do not have the urge anymore.

Hi Bel. Hope all is well.

There are still some crackers in the EM at £130ph and they are getting all my cash atm.

Offline Newtothisstuff

I'm punting less and less with these stupid prices. I'm fed up of girls taking us for idiots and trying to say that it's because their costs have gone up. I've seen a far too many put their prices up from 100-110 per hour to 150-170. I did another search in my other punting area and 50 year old fat munters were charging 150 and upwards per hour. Unless their gym toned 18 year old daughters were planning on joining in there's no way they're worth that kind of money.
I pretty much stick to a small number of regular girls now. They know what I like and that if they put their price up for me, they won't see me again.

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Classic example. 50-60 for 30 at best.

She’s dreaming, an unremarkable bottle blonde.

Offline Belgarion

Hi Bel. Hope all is well.

There are still some crackers in the EM at £130ph and they are getting all my cash atm.

It's not so much the cash, I'm just not feeling the land of punt at the moment.

Not sure what it is to be honest. May need to go somewhere else and see if I get the same feeling

Offline twiglet

I must say I’ve looked at the rising amounts they’re wanting to charge and I refuse to pay it.
Some of them are absolutely nothing to look at and the list of things they won’t do is a lot bigger than what they will do.
Hopefully the market will come back down once they realise what people will pay if it’s a decent price

Offline threechilliman

That's the thing. I'm punting less and do not have the urge anymore.

Yep, just every now and again. Don't know how I used to fit a punt in every week, sometimes 2 :scare:

Offline Belgarion

Yep, just every now and again. Don't know how I used to fit a punt in every week, sometimes 2 :scare:

I remember a time when I punted 3 to 4 times a week. Sometimes 2 in the same day.

Not sure if it is the talent or location but I'm just not feeling it

Offline Si83

A lot of 15 minute prices have shot up to £60 recently too. Way too much.

Offline Newtothisstuff

It doesn't help when someone writes a review of a girl charging these stupid prices and they describe her as good value for money! As opposed to what? Buying a car?!

Offline alftupper

When I started punting 5 years my self imposed limit was 60 for the half and 120 for the hour.

Now every slapper starting up seems to regard 80 for the half as a reasonable starting place.

I have paid that now, but only when I thought I was going to get a good service. And most of the time I have.

But I find it harder and harder to justify to myself paying those prices on a regular basis. When I leave a punt thinking that I could have spent that money better elsewhere, maybe it's time to take a sabbatical.

Offline Newtothisstuff

I think that's how a lot of us feel. It's hard to enjoy a punt as much when you know you're being asked to pay too much.
I had a text on the punting phone a couple of weeks ago from someone I hadn't seen for quite a few months. She'd shut her AW account down and was leaving the area. She texted to ask if I wanted one last booking before she left? Instead of asking for £120 she said she charged £170 and that was giving me a £10 discount. It really pissed me off the not only had her price shot up, she was sending very explicit unsolicited texts. So I told her I wasn't interested as her £50 price increase would cover the both the taxi trips and leave enough for a takeaway.
The overcharging skank can fuck off back to Ireland and stop sending unsolicited messages. Another great reason to have a punting phone.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2019, 04:35:37 pm by Newtothisstuff »

Offline MajorPayne

I must say I’ve looked at the rising amounts they’re wanting to charge and I refuse to pay it.
Some of them are absolutely nothing to look at and the list of things they won’t do is a lot bigger than what they will do.
Hopefully the market will come back down once they realise what people will pay if it’s a decent price

Haven't punted in ages and damned if I am going to give my money to overcharging SPs.   It won't happen but I wish the guys paying these inflated prices would stop.

Offline Woodcutter

I guess the market as always will determine the price, if the girls think the market will support £100/30 minute meets  that's what they'll charge if it doesn't they'll soon drop the prices.

I doubt  there's anyone in this thread who'd turn down a 50% pay rise & I doubt there's many who'd insist on sticking to that salary if the work disappeared.

Or perhaps they just prefer longer meets??

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There seems to be a prevailing view on here that distils down to this: "Anyone who's prepared to pay more than I am is, by definition, an idiot." That seems pretty arrogant, to me.


Offline bdyno

There seems to be a prevailing view on here that distils down to this: "Anyone who's prepared to pay more than I am is, by definition, an idiot." That seems pretty arrogant, to me.
I'm just saying nobody else has had a 50% pay rise in the past year or two.

The more they put the prices up, the more they price themselves out of the market.

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Market forces.

If people are paying it they aren’t going to lower their price are they?

The way I see it is, they’re free to charge what they please equally as I’m free to set myself a budget and give my cash to who I think is worth the rate they charge.
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Offline _Bender_

I must thank all the EM working girls for hiking their prices to £100 per 30 mins.
It has saved me a fortune and made my bank balance healthier.
Derby used to be great for a British girl around 70 to 80 quid but not £100. When working here I like a quick pump and dump but not anymore

Thanks ladies for not offering good vfm

Rant over

Yeah .. I’ve also noticed, took a quick squint the other day and was a bit surprised of how much some of girls were changing, not that bothered anyway as I don’t punt on my doorstep for personal reasons.

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There seems to be a prevailing view on here that distils down to this: "Anyone who's prepared to pay more than I am is, by definition, an idiot." That seems pretty arrogant, to me.

I agree.

It happens in all walks of life though, some people buy designer boxers and people think they’re twats with too much money for buying them, or women with designer bags.

Each to their own I say, you can’t stop other people from spending their hard earned how they choose. Calling them idiots for wanting to spend more money on a punt than someone else seems a bit over the top.

One punter may think £100 is too much, another may see that as worth it with some escorts.
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Offline _Bender_

I pretty much stick to a small number of regular girls now.

Pretty much how I roll now, honestly, if it wasn’t for them I’ll probably quit.

Offline _Bender_

I remember a time when I punted 3 to 4 times a week. Sometimes 2 in the same day.

Not sure if it is the talent or location but I'm just not feeling it

Wassup Bel  :thumbsup:

Mate ... I was similar, but that was a long long time ago.

Offline Belgarion

Wassup Bel  :thumbsup:

Mate ... I was similar, but that was a long long time ago.

Cool dude. Hows it hanging?

I may adopt the regular thing  now as I'm no longer interested in new talent

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There seems to be a prevailing view on here that distils down to this: "Anyone who's prepared to pay more than I am is, by definition, an idiot." That seems pretty arrogant, to me.

As is the want of old men to reminisce of days gone by, the view through rose-tinted glasses when the young, willing pros charged less and delivered more. The beautiful Hungarians, Bulgarians, Polish, Czechs who charged £80 an hour and smiled, a time when you left contented, with a spring in your step and cash left for a night out.

It's quite possible when I arrived on the scene, and was willing to pay the prevailing rates, someone older and wiser than me presumed I was an idiot for paying more than he would. Maybe, in a couple of years, when the novelty has worn a little thin, you have been disappointed once too often and the prices head towards £250/300 per hour you will question the next evolution of punters.

I used to have £100 per week casual spending money. I could do half an hour one week and explore a more expensive option the next. My week was filled with weekend fantasies, between scouring AW and reading reviews here, there was a secondary value to punting.

Now I have more money and the world is my oyster, with the likes of Vivago and Marmalade an inspiration. Do I want to pay some pouting, sour faced cunt who thinks she's better than me; one who thinks I should feel privileged to breathe the same air as she does, whilst paying her a ridiculous rate and applying discretion to her services? Or, do I look at exotic places around the world, enjoy amazing adventures and pay some local whore a considerable wedge which is a fraction of what English pros demand?

If we could be honest with our friends and tell them we spend (or used to) £5-10k a year on having our cocks played with they would question our sanity, such is the nature of punting. Enjoy yourself, while it's good.  :drinks:

Offline Stongwee53

I think £150 ph is maximum i would go except for possibly woofie if i could arrange a meet with her. Seen a few decent ones depending on what your after. Chelsea hart was my last punt and is decent vfm at £100ph. Also i enjoy a good massage and hr again you can get some very good ones for under a £100. I do find myself looking further a field at the minute as im not overly impressed with whats about in east mids apart from a few.

Offline _Bender_

Cool dude. Hows it hanging?

I may adopt the regular thing  now as I'm no longer interested in new talent

Yeah, I’m sound, busy & getting old :D , do what’s best for you mate.  :thumbsup:
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It doesn't help when someone writes a review of a girl charging these stupid prices and they describe her as good value for money! As opposed to what? Buying a car?!

Why would you object to a reviewer saying whether or not he thought his punt was value for money? Or are you merely complaining about those reviewers who may consider that a punt was value for money, despite paying more than you're prepared to pay yourself? I can see how you'd think a review like that 'doesn't help', by which of course you mean doesn't help you, yourself. There's no reason it shouldn't help other members, though, those with a price limit higher than yours.

You don't specify what you consider 'stupid prices' to be, but I wonder if they just happen to be anything above your own chosen limit. Some members seem to feel that their own self-imposed limit is not only right for them, but right full stop, and should be imposed upon everybody else, too. Anybody paying more than that is not only stupid and foolish, but they're spoiling it for everybody else as well, you see. If only those stupid, selfish fuckers would stop paying ridiculous prices - by 'ridiculous' they mean anything above their own limit - then they'd stop inflating the market, prices would come down across the board, and punters would benefit all round, don't you see?

This is a view that not only shows all the economic literacy of Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men, but the type of 'if-you-don't-share-my-opinion-you're-an-idiot' arrogance that seems so prevalent in modern life, and which really pisses me off.

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Why would you object to a reviewer saying whether or not he thought his punt was value for money? Or are you merely complaining about those reviewers who may consider that a punt was value for money, despite paying more than you're prepared to pay yourself? I can see how you'd think a review like that 'doesn't help', by which of course you mean doesn't help you, yourself. There's no reason it shouldn't help other members, though, those with a price limit higher than yours.

You don't specify what you consider 'stupid prices' to be, but I wonder if they just happen to be anything above your own chosen limit. Some members seem to feel that their own self-imposed limit is not only right for them, but right full stop, and should be imposed upon everybody else, too. Anybody paying more than that is not only stupid and foolish, but they're spoiling it for everybody else as well, you see. If only those stupid, selfish fuckers would stop paying ridiculous prices - by 'ridiculous' they mean anything above their own limit - then they'd stop inflating the market, prices would come down across the board, and punters would benefit all round, don't you see?

This is a view that not only shows all the economic literacy of Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men, but the type of 'if-you-don't-share-my-opinion-you're-an-idiot' arrogance that seems so prevalent in modern life, and which really pisses me off.

Couldn’t agree more.
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Value for money is a strange notion in this game. I've splattered my spunk in various directions at prices varying from £40 up to £400, the £400 was probably more when accounting for flights and accommodation! Would anybody in the real world consider the £40 value for money?

If you walk away with a smile and a spring in your step then I suppose that counts as value for money? If you compare the looks, services and prices of two different prostitutes then one might be cheaper than the other. The question then is: which one is more appealing in terms of looks, services offered and reputation, along with a punter's individual preferences? There's one prostitute in the area who gets a frequent mention, to me she looks a fat old granny but each to their own.

Punting economics is driven by the prostitutes themselves. One compares herself to another and decides she's is worth more than the competition, the competition then decides to match and so prices go up. If they're doing two punters a day at £150 then they're probably happier than doing three at £100. For a punter happy to pay the £150 he's probably getting better punt, being one of two, rather than one of three?

I'm pissy with my phone provider for putting my bill up £3.50 a month! Needless to say a prostitute who wants to bump her price by £20-30 per hour can do what she likes with someone else. If that's represents good value to you then fill yer boots.

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If you walk away with a smile and a spring in your step then I suppose that counts as value for money.

I can't think of a better definition than that, Fluntie.

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I can't think of a better definition than that, Fluntie.

Yep, nail on the head for me. If I feel like that then I’m happy.. sadly it’s getting less and less frequent. Although there’s a few well knowns I haven’t seen yet (foxwell/lorde/rae) who I’m hoping make me feel different. And weirdly are still fairly well priced in the grand scheme of things..
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Offline Picti

I must thank all the EM working girls for hiking their prices to £100 per 30 mins.
It has saved me a fortune and made my bank balance healthier.
Derby used to be great for a British girl around 70 to 80 quid but not £100. When working here I like a quick pump and dump but not anymore

Thanks ladies for not offering good vfm

Rant over

There are still many who adopt a sensible approach to pricing, but I agree that some appear lacking in their understanding of the broader market.

That said I'm now less inclined to take many risks, and now tend to punt within a small group of women I've seen previously. Quite easy to do as I see punting as a monthly treat. Any novel temptation would need to get through an increasingly rigorous checklist.

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Value for money is a strange notion in this game.

If you walk away with a smile and a spring in your step then I suppose that counts as value for money?

Agreed. I've always said I'm happy if I felt that the money was well spent.

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If you walk away with a smile and a spring in your step then I suppose that counts as value for money? If you compare the looks, services and prices of two different prostitutes then one might be cheaper than the other. The question then is: which one is more appealing in terms of looks, services offered and reputation, along with a punter's individual preferences? There's one prostitute in the area who gets a frequent mention, to me she looks a fat old granny but each to their own.

Punting economics is driven by the prostitutes themselves. One compares herself to another and decides she's is worth more than the competition, the competition then decides to match and so prices go up. If they're doing two punters a day at £150 then they're probably happier than doing three at £100. For a punter happy to pay the £150 he's probably getting better punt, being one of two, rather than one of three?

I'm pissy with my phone provider for putting my bill up £3.50 a month! Needless to say a prostitute who wants to bump her price by £20-30 per hour can do what she likes with someone else. If that's represents good value to you then fill yer boots.

All true, but I've found pretty much without exception that the younger prettier girls who think they can charge more don't put that spring in my step to the same extent as some of the more mature & less expensivev women.

The younger prettier ones in my experience are more likely to have the attitude that you're lucky to be with them and won't put the effort in.  The more mature women are often in the game as a hobby, usually swingers out for a bit of cash, and will always give you a good time.

Sure, it's nice to see a fit young girl sat on my dick, but give me a milf hobby whore anytime.

Offline Newtothisstuff

My issue with prices is very simple. It's not based on what one person can or can't afford to pay. It's that the prices have shot up by such a huge margin. Girls who were previously seeing punters at £100-£120 an hour have increased their prices to anywhere from £150-£180. In many cases, a lot more than that.  Plenty are now charging £80-£100 just for a half hour booking!  How the hell can anyone say that's still good value? If one of my suppliers at work told me they were going to increase their prices by 50%, 100% or 150%, I'd tell them where to stick their new prices and buy from the competition.
There seems to be a weird attitude amongst some punters. They seem to be defending the massive price rises and sticking up for the girls. You could understand it if the girls worked for them... but they don't. They're getting shafted too, only they seem to be perfectly happy about it.
Could I afford the new prices? Yes. Will I pay them? Hell no. The old prices weren't exactly cheap, but you knew that the girls had costs and overheads. There's no way their costs have gone up by that much, so the only conclusion you can draw from that is that they're making more profit from each punter. When you know the girl is really taking the piss with her new price, it takes away from the enjoyment of the punt.

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My issue with prices is very simple. It's not based on what one person can or can't afford to pay....

It's seems wrong to agree with both arguments and personally I agree with your sentiments about the price increases and also refuse to pay them. BUT.... Would you be happier having a shit punt at £100 an hour or if you paid £150 and had a great punt, then which represents VFM?

My issue is risking £150 and having a shit punt, which is why I won't pay that rate! Reminiscing the other day, I remember having a crap half an hour for £40/£50 and it wasn't the end of the world. I'd turn up expecting Miss Romanian and be greeted by someone else, watch despairingly as my money disappeared along with her smile and then make the most of what was on offer.

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It's seems wrong to agree with both arguments and personally I agree with your sentiments about the price increases and also refuse to pay them. BUT.... Would you be happier having a shit punt at £100 an hour or if you paid £150 and had a great punt, then which represents VFM?

My issue is risking £150 and having a shit punt, which is why I won't pay that rate! Reminiscing the other day, I remember having a crap half an hour for £40/£50 and it wasn't the end of the world. I'd turn up expecting Miss Romanian and be greeted by someone else, watch despairingly as my money disappeared along with her smile and then make the most of what was on offer.

Although unlike you I will pay a higher rate if I consider the girl worth it and she offers  what I want.
I agree with what you’re saying.

As I said before, if we all had an increase in our wages we wouldn’t say no, sadly we don’t get the increases WG’s seem to give themselves.

It is annoying seeing a girl you were interested in increase her prices, for me I either move on if I feel the new rate isn’t worth it, or I give it a while, incase it decreases again (some do), if it doesn’t and I feel the new rate is worth what she’s offering, I’ll book her.

Everyone has a different view of “value for money”.
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I have paid higher, shamelessly reviewed Miss KDD and thoroughly enjoyed it. Was it VFM? The hotel wasn't and I got my car nicked but the memory lingers. :)

That was a one off though and in the spirit of the OP, I wouldn't pay it regularly which is the current issue. Around 2012 I discovered the little blue pills and punted most weekends for about three years. I suppose the local prostitutes aren't too fussed about my lack of business, or a few others who have scaled back their punting. Maybe the lack of EEs has pushed up local demand and justified the rate increases?

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My issue with prices is very simple. It's not based on what one person can or can't afford to pay. It's that the prices have shot up by such a huge margin. Girls who were previously seeing punters at £100-£120 an hour have increased their prices to anywhere from £150-£180. In many cases, a lot more than that.  Plenty are now charging £80-£100 just for a half hour booking!  How the hell can anyone say that's still good value? If one of my suppliers at work told me they were going to increase their prices by 50%, 100% or 150%, I'd tell them where to stick their new prices and buy from the competition.
There seems to be a weird attitude amongst some punters. They seem to be defending the massive price rises and sticking up for the girls. You could understand it if the girls worked for them... but they don't. They're getting shafted too, only they seem to be perfectly happy about it.
Could I afford the new prices? Yes. Will I pay them? Hell no. The old prices weren't exactly cheap, but you knew that the girls had costs and overheads. There's no way their costs have gone up by that much, so the only conclusion you can draw from that is that they're making more profit from each punter. When you know the girl is really taking the piss with her new price, it takes away from the enjoyment of the punt.

Totally agree.  Fortunately there are still enough around my local area at that £120ish price to keep me entertained, and a few of my regulars who have kept their older prices for me.  More and more are hitting that £150-£200 bracket though, and although I'll go to £150 for someone I think will be special, there's no way I'm going above that.  Like you said, the rest of us don't get that sort of pay rise.

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Why would you object to a reviewer saying whether or not he thought his punt was value for money? Or are you merely complaining about those reviewers who may consider that a punt was value for money, despite paying more than you're prepared to pay yourself? I can see how you'd think a review like that 'doesn't help', by which of course you mean doesn't help you, yourself. There's no reason it shouldn't help other members, though, those with a price limit higher than yours.

You don't specify what you consider 'stupid prices' to be, but I wonder if they just happen to be anything above your own chosen limit. Some members seem to feel that their own self-imposed limit is not only right for them, but right full stop, and should be imposed upon everybody else, too. Anybody paying more than that is not only stupid and foolish, but they're spoiling it for everybody else as well, you see. If only those stupid, selfish fuckers would stop paying ridiculous prices - by 'ridiculous' they mean anything above their own limit - then they'd stop inflating the market, prices would come down across the board, and punters would benefit all round, don't you see?

This is a view that not only shows all the economic literacy of Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men, but the type of 'if-you-don't-share-my-opinion-you're-an-idiot' arrogance that seems so prevalent in modern life, and which really pisses me off.
You seem determined to support higher prices. Is there a reason for that?
My point is not 'share my opinion or you're an idiot'. It was - how do the girls justify the massive price rises? You can't seriously believe their bull about costs going up? Or have stagnant local rents mysteriously increased just for prostitutes? Are condoms £45 each now?
I'm fed up of prostitutes trying to tell me they had to put her prices up to nearly double their previous levels because their costs went up - and expecting me to believe it. So my point about vfm bookings is this.... a girl charges 60 for a half hour session. You see her a few months later and the service list is still the same.... she's now a few months older and she's charging 100. You're paying an extra 40 more for exactly the same thing. That's what I mean by a ridiculous price. In some cases, double the money for the same thing. How is that not a ridiculous price?
Every time punters come on here and say -' fuck me! The prices have gone up a lot' we seem to get people only too willing to help justify them.

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My issue with prices is very simple. It's not based on what one person can or can't afford to pay. It's that the prices have shot up by such a huge margin. Girls who were previously seeing punters at £100-£120 an hour have increased their prices to anywhere from £150-£180. In many cases, a lot more than that.  Plenty are now charging £80-£100 just for a half hour booking!  How the hell can anyone say that's still good value? If one of my suppliers at work told me they were going to increase their prices by 50%, 100% or 150%, I'd tell them where to stick their new prices and buy from the competition.
There seems to be a weird attitude amongst some punters. They seem to be defending the massive price rises and sticking up for the girls. You could understand it if the girls worked for them... but they don't. They're getting shafted too, only they seem to be perfectly happy about it.
Could I afford the new prices? Yes. Will I pay them? Hell no. The old prices weren't exactly cheap, but you knew that the girls had costs and overheads. There's no way their costs have gone up by that much, so the only conclusion you can draw from that is that they're making more profit from each punter. When you know the girl is really taking the piss with her new price, it takes away from the enjoyment of the punt.

Fair enough, NttS. I haven't been punting for long, so I haven't noticed any change. I wonder if it may be an increase in demand that's caused it, fuelled by new drugs like Cialis, that mean old buffers like me, who couldn't function without it, now want to make the most of it while the pills still work. It's possible.

It doesn't half help being happy with half an hour, though. For guys who prefer an hour or more, especially if they want all the trimmings, I do agree that it can look terribly expensive.

I still think a £100 punt can be good value for money, though, if it exceeds expectations, in the same way a £40 punt can be lousy value, even though expectations are lower.

Ultimately, I suppose, us punters complaining about the price is a bit like sailors complaining about the sea. We can complain all we like, but it ain't going to get any better.