Where are all the fit, affordable beauties gone?

[sir wanksalot]

When WFB's and Sandys shut their doors I naively thought that the type of ladies that these parlours would attract would still find a way to make a living through this profession. The reality is that the closure of WFB's, Sandys and TWL has effectively shut down the industry.

Trying to find an gorgeous woman on AW who also provides a decent service and doesn't break the bank is pretty much impossible these days.

So where are they ? Do any guys recommend escort agencies ? I've always steered clear of more expensive punts as experience has taught me that paying more doesn't guarantee a better service.

[McSwell]

Sandys used to attract girls from all over the country so we were  fortunate to have a lot of fit girls at a couple of locations.

I guess that type of girl is still working but they're not concentrated in one place.

If you go through the websites for GFE, La Maison and maybe KSG or Brooklyn's you could most probably make a list of half a dozen or so of the type of girls your after.

[Blackpool Rock]

Course a lot of SS girls did go Indi and they are covered in the "where are they now" thread but they basically all jacked their prices right up.
In answer to your question I don't think we will see those days again, trouble is it became the norm for me so now it's gone everything struggles to live up to expectations.
Had it good for so many years and didn't even realise it at the time

[lewisjones23]

If you believe some on here and the other forum then you only need to go to Sheridans to find what you need 

[NigelF]

If you believe some on here and the other forum then you only need to go to Sheridans to find what you need 

 

[cpw_19]

If you believe some on here and the other forum then you only need to go to Sheridans to find what you need 

Whilst some at Sheridans may well be filthy as fuck - sometimes you just want to do all those same filthy things, but with a glamorous early 20s hottie. Sheridans, for all they do well, are not that market.

[Dickled]

The reality is that the closure of WFB's, Sandys and TWL has effectively shut down the industry.

I never went to Sandys or WFB and rarely to TWL. Despite this, I also feel sense of regret about parlours that once allowed me to indulge in some cracking punts with girls I personally found very attractive.
Instead of the ones you mention I remember smaller, perhaps, but still great places like Bolton Mystique, Princesses of Bolton, Pussycats in Withington, Danniella's, Cristal Main, La Diva Dolls, Samanthas, etc.

[Moby Dick]

What do you call breaking the bank?
I still see some of the what I consider better SS girls, and prices vary between £140 to £160/hour for an OWO/CIM service.
Problem I have is time organising and favoring full hour these days. Compare to £70 for 30mins at Sandys (£20 reception, £30 basic, £10 owo + £10 cim).
It was good just to turn up, although sometimes you had to wait, but equally you could jump in the car and go to the other branch or another parlour.

When WFB's and Sandys shut their doors I naively thought that the type of ladies that these parlours would attract would still find a way to make a living through this profession. The reality is that the closure of WFB's, Sandys and TWL has effectively shut down the industry.

Trying to find an gorgeous woman on AW who also provides a decent service and doesn't break the bank is pretty much impossible these days.

So where are they ? Do any guys recommend escort agencies ? I've always steered clear of more expensive punts as experience has taught me that paying more doesn't guarantee a better service.

[sir wanksalot]

What do you call breaking the bank?
I still see some of the what I consider better SS girls, and prices vary between £140 to £160/hour for an OWO/CIM service.
Problem I have is time organising and favoring full hour these days. Compare to £70 for 30mins at Sandys (£20 reception, £30 basic, £10 owo + £10 cim).
It was good just to turn up, although sometimes you had to wait, but equally you could jump in the car and go to the other branch or another parlour.

£ 80 for a 30 min service is pretty much what I would consider paying at the top end of my comfort zone and yes, I know there are plenty of women who offer sex and CIM for that rate but they may not necessarily combine fit-as-fuck looks with a good service.

[Moby Dick]

I agree, 30mins for £70 suited me in a parlour, but once they go indy they can't turnover as many punters, or they don't want to, plus we criticise them for conveyor services so unfortunately you end up punting the same lass for £10 to £30 more, plus you are left loitering the street waiting for the text, whilst in a parlour you could chill for 10minutes with a drink and paper, ogling and chatting to the other girls.

£ 80 for a 30 min service is pretty much what I would consider paying at the top end of my comfort zone and yes, I know there are plenty of women who offer sex and CIM for that rate but they may not necessarily combine fit-as-fuck looks with a good service.

[Briddy]

First time I step foot in a parlour was that nervous I couldn't even look at anyone took me 20 minutes to buzz the door 

[Kriss]

First time I step foot in a parlour was that nervous I couldn't even look at anyone took me 20 minutes to buzz the door 

I remember the feeling - but how many times did you walk past? I think it was four or five times form me, and a couple of them was on the other side of the street 

[Briddy]

I remember the feeling - but how many times did you walk past? I think it was four or five times form me, and a couple of them was on the other side of the street 

  the first few times I sat in my car but bottled it until I finally went for it one day

[piz111]

it is def not the same anymore, i am on the verge of giving up, the quality of girls at sandys were fantastic for the price there is a huge gap in the market i just wished someone had the balls to try and replicate this kind of parlour, its not that just the girls were hot, the whole place was spotless considering 20 to 30 men are shagging everyday in there it felt clean.. I have seen a few sandy's girls since it closed, for example sammy, who i saw at least monthly at sandys,  when i turned up to see her in prestwich she stunk of bo and the flat was a tip, sandy kept there standards up.. I have seen nina xs a lot and she is awesome but its not the same rolling up to the village hotel! I dont think its just the price, the price at 140 is fine for me, but the quality and time used looking for these women is a bloody nightmare.

[piz111]

it really has become a punt in all senses of the word 

[Moby Dick]

Proper punting was 20years ago before the Internet. No photos, or field reports. Just a payphone, a pocket full of change, the local advertiser and a clapped out ford cortina.

it really has become a punt in all senses of the word 

[threechilliman]

First time I step foot in a parlour was that nervous I couldn't even look at anyone took me 20 minutes to buzz the door 

I remember the feeling - but how many times did you walk past? I think it was four or five times form me, and a couple of them was on the other side of the street 

Yer a pair. I just walked in and didn't think about it. I've even been in to get a fellow UKP'er a membership number.

[NigelF]

it is def not the same anymore, i am on the verge of giving up, the quality of girls at sandys were fantastic for the price there is a huge gap in the market i just wished someone had the balls to try and replicate this kind of parlour, its not that just the girls were hot, the whole place was spotless considering 20 to 30 men are shagging everyday in there it felt clean.. I have seen a few sandy's girls since it closed, for example sammy, who i saw at least monthly at sandys,  when i turned up to see her in prestwich she stunk of bo and the flat was a tip, sandy kept there standards up.. I have seen nina xs a lot and she is awesome but its not the same rolling up to the village hotel! I dont think its just the price, the price at 140 is fine for me, but the quality and time used looking for these women is a bloody nightmare.

I'd like to think I have the balls to replicate that kind of parlour. However, I don't think I fully appreciate the amount of effort that goes into it, especially recruitment and maintaining the standards like they did at Sandy's. And to be honest, I'm not the kind of the guy who would be happy with just Sandy's standards, I'd want even better. Just because Sandy's was clearly better than the rest doesn't mean it was actually all that great. I also lack any sort of experience although I'd obviously just have someone else who does to run the place (although how would I even find someone good to do that).

Recruiting girls who are good looking, provide a consistent good service and are also reliable would be really hard. Even just finding good looking girls who'd be happy to work in a parlour is surely rather difficult, especially give the many other options they have - agencies, being independent, going on SA/being a "sugar baby", webcamming etc. I'm sure dealing with the girls and ensuring reliability and high service standards is an absolute nightmare. As you say, arranging meets with indies can sometimes be a nightmare but actually having to deal with them everyday sounds even worse (although hopefully they'd eventually get the message/fall into line).

I can see why "high quality" parlours are a dying industry however I too think there is a gap in the market and good money could be made but just thinking about it stresses me out and that's before you factor in the legal implications which realistically just make it a total no go for me (at least not at this stage in my life). I'm sure many other people feel the same. Also, I'm fortunate to have other things to invest my money in, which are both safer and equally as or even more lucrative (if run well).

[Gordon Bennett]

I remember the feeling - but how many times did you walk past? I think it was four or five times form me, and a couple of them was on the other side of the street 

Doubt I'll ever pluck up courage to go in one. If I ever did, it'd look a bit like this:

Hopefully this is a link to US Golfer Keegan Bradley's bonkers tee off routine....

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[Moby Dick]

Plus a-z of most cities before sat nav. Got a box of 'em somewhere.

Proper punting was 20years ago before the Internet. No photos, or field reports. Just a payphone, a pocket full of change, the local advertiser and a clapped out ford cortina.

[OakTree]

Plus a-z of most cities before sat nav. Got a box of 'em somewhere.

There was an art in itself, driving with an A-Z on your lap.   

[sir wanksalot]

There was an art in itself, driving with an A-Z on your lap.   

Anyone remember AutoRoute that came on a CD ? I used to have to print 6 copies of my route as you could only fit one section of the journey per A4.

[sir wanksalot]

I can see why "high quality" parlours are a dying industry however I too think there is a gap in the market and good money could be made but just thinking about it stresses me out and that's before you factor in the legal implications which realistically just make it a total no go for me (at least not at this stage in my life). I'm sure many other people feel the same. Also, I'm fortunate to have other things to invest my money in, which are both safer and equally as or even more lucrative (if run well).

The well run parlours provided a safe, controlled and lucrative environment for attractive ladies to work in. If you think about it now, if a lady was considering going into the game (or is it "onto the game" ?) then she'd have to either work from her own place or rent a room both of which make her extremely vulnerable. That's bad enough for seasoned WG's but must be genuinely terrifying for ladies new to the profession.

[Moby Dick]

For safety some pair up with buddies, so 2 girls working from same apartments, which legally is on dodgy ground.

The well run parlours provided a safe, controlled and lucrative environment for attractive ladies to work in. If you think about it now, if a lady was considering going into the game (or is it "onto the game" ?) then she'd have to either work from her own place or rent a room both of which make her extremely vulnerable. That's bad enough for seasoned WG's but must be genuinely terrifying for ladies new to the profession.

[Briddy]

Yer a pair. I just walked in and didn't think about it. I've even been in to get a fellow UKP'er a membership number.

soon lost the nerves and even got my mate to get a membership as well. The only blessing in Sandy's closing is the money I'm saving must of been in there at least twice a weel

[NigelF]

The well run parlours provided a safe, controlled and lucrative environment for attractive ladies to work in. If you think about it now, if a lady was considering going into the game (or is it "onto the game" ?) then she'd have to either work from her own place or rent a room both of which make her extremely vulnerable. That's bad enough for seasoned WG's but must be genuinely terrifying for ladies new to the profession.

Good point. Although if a WG does her research properly/seeks advice, she'll probably come to the conclusion that even though sharing a flat with another WG is illegal (as it's classed as a brothel) the police/CPS simply won't prosecute (as long as that's the only crime committed) and I'm pretty sure that's nationwide but certainly in Manchester and many other areas. They might also be able to find a non-WG to share with which is obviously fine. Renting is of course a risk but to minimise potential large losses (e.g. if she's "outed" to her landlord very early on), there are very short term renting options out there and of course hotels and serviced apartments to work from.

Nonetheless, I can definitely see why a parlour would be attractive to quite a few girls, at least initially. Although that also brings me onto another issue with running a parlour - the very high "staff" turnover (technically I suppose they're probably self employed contractors). It's another headache and it makes recruitment a constant challenge.

[wilbers]

Anyone remember AutoRoute that came on a CD ? I used to have to print 6 copies of my route as you could only fit one section of the journey per A4.

I printed out the area I was going to just last month from that.  Very helpful, but even more so when I could turn my phone on and showed where I was so I could see where I needed to go.

[goldwing1]

For safety some pair up with buddies, so 2 girls working from same apartments, which legally is on dodgy ground.

That makes a parlour definitely illegal but as we all know, as long as there is no trouble or complaints, the police turn a blind eye as they would sooner prostitution take place in a safe environment instead of the girls walking the streets.

What makes it interesting is that the local council will know they are brothels and illegal but still collect business rates from them.

[Ihateaero]

I used Sandy’s but always felt a little uneasy as it was too busy sometimes. KSG had a nice relaxed feel but they’ve been turfed out from the Didsbury location. La Maison is just too scruffy now - I mean how much does a bloody light bulb cost for God’s sake? GFE Bury is smart ish but the grumpy bloke twat on reception pisses me off so I hardly go there now either. Brooklyn’s in Crewe is another dump. I punt far less now than I did 5 years ago. Shame that

[goldwing1]

I used Sandy’s but always felt a little uneasy as it was too busy sometimes. KSG had a nice relaxed feel but they’ve been turfed out from the Didsbury location. La Maison is just too scruffy now - I mean how much does a bloody light bulb cost for God’s sake? GFE Bury is smart ish but the grumpy bloke twat on reception pisses me off so I hardly go there now either. Brooklyn’s in Crewe is another dump. I punt far less now than I did 5 years ago. Shame that

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[sir wanksalot]

the police turn a blind eye as they would sooner prostitution take place in a safe environment instead of the girls walking the streets.

We don't really know what the hell the police think. For years they genuinely turned a blind eye to the dozen or so parlours in northern Manchester and then bit by bit started to close them down pretty quickly.

I find it hard to believe that EVERY one of those parlours had dodgy criminal links.

[sir wanksalot]

Anyone ever tried to guess how much places like Sandys used to make ?

I don't know how much the house got but guessing around £ 25 out of a £ 50 session. One lady would probably see around 8 punters a day (minimum) and Sandys would have around 4-5 girls working every day of the week.

The numbers become mind boggling ! 

[lewisjones23]

Anyone ever tried to guess how much places like Sandys used to make ?

I don't know how much the house got but guessing around £ 25 out of a £ 50 session. One lady would probably see around 8 punters a day (minimum) and Sandys would have around 4-5 girls working every day of the week.

The numbers become mind boggling ! 

was £20 to the house per 1/2 hour booking

[Moby Dick]

Double that, most of the girls were constantly on the go, or literally went.
Potentially over £4000/day turnover at full capacity: House got £40/hour * 10hours/day, 5 girls * 2 parlours, open every day.Plus girls had to pay a room fee, and a tip for the maid and receptionist.

Anyone ever tried to guess how much places like Sandys used to make ?

I don't know how much the house got but guessing around £ 25 out of a £ 50 session. One lady would probably see around 8 punters a day (minimum) and Sandys would have around 4-5 girls working every day of the week.

The numbers become mind boggling ! 

[piz111]

sandys

5 girls

open from 10 - 9 lets say they do  3 full hours a day to be pessimistic (this could be 6 1/2 hour punters)  at a rate of 120 p/h  ( £40 sandys fee - £80 Wg Fee)

turnover 120 (sandys per girl) + 240 (per girl)   = per day 600 (sandys) 1200 (girl) total turnover= 1800, per week £12600

Sandys Gross Profit : £3000
                       Receptioniost & cleaner = £600
                        Electricity                    = £300?
                        Extra costs                  =  £1000

No rent as northenden is owned

Net profit at least £1100 on a very quite week as i think im being pesimistic with hours worked.. i think they earned at least over 100k per year of one site.... this was just for fun by the way do not hold me to the figures

[goldwing1]

sandys

5 girls

open from 10 - 9 lets say they do  3 full hours a day to be pessimistic (this could be 6 1/2 hour punters)  at a rate of 120 p/h  ( £40 sandys fee - £80 Wg Fee)

turnover 120 (sandys per girl) + 240 (per girl)   = per day 600 (sandys) 1200 (girl) total turnover= 1800, per week £12600

Sandys Gross Profit : £3000
                       Receptioniost & cleaner = £600
                        Electricity                    = £300?
                        Extra costs                  =  £1000

No rent as northenden is owned

Net profit at least £1100 on a very quite week as i think im being pesimistic with hours worked.. i think they earned at least over 100k per year of one site.... this was just for fun by the way do not hold me to the figures

The Georgian in Oldham
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sammy, who i saw at least monthly at sandys,  when i turned up to see her in prestwich she stunk of bo and the flat was a tip

Bloody hell, doesn't sound good. It seems you did her a favour by not reviewing, unless you had a good time despite what you wrote.

[Shantaram]

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Appears to be some quality at both-they seem to have slipped under the radar.

I always got an adrenaline dump as I walked up to the door at Sandy’s etc which rather added to the fun. As has been said, I miss the good parlours as they allowed an impulse punt when a free half hour suddenly presented itself.

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Indigo Nile? First I've heard of it! Looks like they've got an ex-sandys (Annalynne) and an ex-ksg (Cheryl) on their books.