How times have changed

[jammy]

How times have changed.

Woke up this morning and decided to look for a punt today. I was looking at incalls in cardiff, swansea and newport areas. Having been punting for around 3yrs on and off. Ive seen many of the local girls. I tend not to visit them more than once unless the service is out of this world. When i think back to 3 yrs ago the local choice was far greater and at reasonable prices (£80). Girls are now charging £100+ with some not offering all services. Its crazy !!!!!
There are some real genuine, down to earth ladies out there who enjoy what they do and get a kick from the excitment but im coming across more ladies with the attitude of us guys being cash cows. This has led me to not having a punt for over two months.

Also ive noticed welsh girls who work in bristol are offering services at £80 and back in cardiff push their prices up to £100. Guys as the customer we need to instigated a deflation of prices.

[steviex00]

Everyone stop punting for a month, that ought to do it!

Joking aside, it really is just about supply and demand. If we guys weren't so horny all the time, demand would drop and the poor value SPs would fade away. I don't see that happening any time soon, to be honest!

And if you think times have changed in 3 years, imagine what us seasoned punters feel like. 30 years for me, when  I started it was a £10 HJ in a parlour or a risky meet with a girl from the escort pages of the Daily Sport for £20. Internet? Pah!

[np500]

I'm self employed and not put prices up for about four years, I have to compete with guys fiddling for £30/50 a day and Eastern Europeans undercutting all of us, to the point I was thinking About  getting out before my knee shit, it's also one reason behind me doing less punts, ( there are a few ) if you want ( generally ) a good punt, your looking at £150 up and I'm having to take 2 sometimes 3 days off with an ice pack , so I'm down to 1 punt a month, not sure what there prices will be in another 3 years ? and how many punts a lot of us will be up for a month ?

[iverthickone]

There has been a massive rise about the turn of the year.
Those who were £100/hr are now mostly asking £120 - £150.  Quite a jump tbh.

There are still dome good punts to be had for the £100 though.  I absolutely refuse to pay more than £150 (and that is really pushing it), out of principle tbh.  To me anything more is just greed on the girl's behalf, and if she is like that, she is not my type anyway.  £2.50 per minute is more than enough IMO.

[Bibbob]

Everything is more expensive since Brexit 

[jammy]

Right on the dollar with that iver. Its pure greed of the wg. A wg recently responded to me by saying" i dont touch cock for less than £100 babe"  . I found this response hilarious . Its wgs with this sort of attitude that has really put me off and in somewhat made me come to my senses of why am i financing their nxt tit job , botox or lip fillers. Obviously from the inflated prices cosmetics are expensive these days. 

[EnglishRebecca121]

Ive always said girls seem to charge more in cardiff than in bristol. no idea why...

[np500]

Ive always said girls seem to charge more in cardiff than in bristol. no idea why...

This gets brought home when you spend time on U.K. E  and see what's being charged around the country, an eye opener, worked in London a couple of years ago and there were truck loads of girls charging £100 / £120 and still are last time I looked !

[SeekingtheTruth]

Especially when you see new girls show up and try and charge £150 an hour as well. Takes the piss really.

If a good girl shows up priced at around the £100-120 mark she will make an absolute killing.

[Mikeh38]

Guys take it from me years ago the girls were charging about the same as they do now from £120 to £200 an hour, the difference is the girls then were TOP quality, didn't charge for extras, and gave a very good service. Ask any old school punter how good Vixxen, Imogen, Katie etc were.

The quality of girls in Wales now is dire, and the majority do not provide a decent quality service, but I would blame the punters for still booking the girls who provide such poor levels of service.

The majority of the top Welsh girls would not survive in the likes of Brum, Manc, London etc didn't Jessybee try Manchester she soon came back.

[johnsheppard99]

A few years back I was paying £60-80 per hour for a girl. For someone working minimum wage that was bad enough, but now especially around wales, its almost impossible to get anyone for those prices, and you are looking at £100 and over, which is really more than im prepared to pay.
Thankfully ive got a 'friend' up the valleys who wants money fairly often, so we struck a deal on that front which is more manageable for my finances, but tbh im getting bored with her now as its the same thing every time, but in south wales ive yet to find someone else to try!

Now when I go to london, ive been fairly lucky to get cheap punts there for £60-70, some have been good, some bad, but even there now the ones ive seen before seem to have gone, and prices seem to be on the rise. You'd have thought with people getting poorer, the girls would have lowered their prices to get in more punters.

[Melfort212]

A few years back I was paying £60-80 per hour for a girl. For someone working minimum wage that was bad enough, but now especially around wales, its almost impossible to get anyone for those prices, and you are looking at £100 and over, which is really more than im prepared to pay.
Thankfully ive got a 'friend' up the valleys who wants money fairly often, so we struck a deal on that front which is more manageable for my finances, but tbh im getting bored with her now as its the same thing every time, but in south wales ive yet to find someone else to try!

Now when I go to london, ive been fairly lucky to get cheap punts there for £60-70, some have been good, some bad, but even there now the ones ive seen before seem to have gone, and prices seem to be on the rise. You'd have thought with people getting poorer, the girls would have lowered their prices to get in more punters.

Totally agree mate, they want far too much. It is literally £150 an hour here now for a Brit. I rarely book an hour but half hours are at least £90 generally, usually three figures though. I don't get why some insist on an hour as well. One girl has upped her price £30 in 3 months. Pure greed really.

[np500]

Not so much greed, market forces, if we pay it thay will charge it, I've worked in London a few times, why, because the money was four times the money here, someone's willing to pay me it, who am I to say no, but if the economy continues to dip, less guys will have the money, there prices will generally fall , think I may be dead by then though 

[Melfort212]

Not so much greed, market forces, if we pay it thay will charge it, I've worked in London a few times, why, because the money was four times the money here, someone's willing to pay me it, who am I to say no, but if the economy continues to dip, less guys will have the money, there prices will generally fall , think I may be dead by then though 

It is greed to charge anything over £150 imo. £100 an hour is a fair price in my book.

[np500]

Agree £100 is a great price, but thay are pushing there prices up and guys are still paying, so thay may not get as many bookings but earn the same for sucking less cock , maybe because thay'd  rather not in the first place ? I don't do work for certain types for what ever reason, usually I know thay want everything for nothing type thing, so I don't do shit for them, but other clients are good with the tea and biscuits and no problem with money at a higher rate, thay get my undevided attention over tight git, market forces, not saying it's right or wrong, it's how it is .

[np500]

And we all have an idea what's a good price and who's taking the piss, but this is punter seeks s p, there is no government based pricing system for this game, thay make it up as thay go alone and we decide if we are willing to pay there made up price list, all depends on how much disposable income you can justify blowing on paid sex and how often ?

[jammy]

Red its definately pure greed in my book. This is non taxable income for them. I will not pay anyone three figures for my hard earned cash, no one no matter who they are is worth paying three figures especially for 30mins.
At the end of the day I dont earn no where near what they charge and im taxed on that income. Totally unjustifiable imho.

[np500]

I agree with both of you, but what I said can't be denied , it is what it is, I'm creaming at the pants to meet Aimee, £150 an hour, if I want to see her, it's £150 an hour, I can say no, but I'm still gagging, so I pay up !

[Steelworker]

There was a similar thread a while back on this interesting topic. I'm going to set aside the tax issue as a lot of the ladies I see actually declare their income to the taxman as a legitimate profession. Granted, as in any form of self employment, there are those who will not.

As Red says this is like all business and a case of supply and demand for a product of varying quality. If I am self-employed and more people want my product at 100 than I can provide, I'm going to charge more to allow me to provide it and make more money because I don't know how long it will last. I'll test out 120, 150 carefully until it balances but also consider where I think the top end is to not make my regular business go away. In this period, if someone fancies my product they pay this price. If I push too hard, I'll come back down a bit to where the balance is. If I want to temporarily increase business, I may put special offers on. I also may do some long term deals for customers who pay me a lot every month. It's the way it is and how I'd run my one man business with a certain capacity to maximise profit. Reality. Petrol, consulting, supermarkets, builders etc

Then there's complexity and emotion thrown in with questions from our side like, 'how much do I feel is greedy to have sex with me when I can't pay those prices?'. Also, some SP's who like to give little in return or deceive for short term gain.

In the end, the market decides (us) based on quaility, supply, ability to pay against service and we shop around. There'll be a top end, a good middle and a low end, with tax payers and avoiders, professionals and rip off artists in the mix. And the average rate for each category is dictated by demand.



 

[ampersand]

There was a similar thread a while back on this interesting topic. I'm going to set aside the tax issue as a lot of the ladies I see actually declare their income to the taxman as a legitimate profession. Granted, as in any form of self employment, there are those who will not.

As Red says this is like all business and a case of supply and demand for a product of varying quality. If I am self-employed and more people want my product at 100 than I can provide, I'm going to charge more to allow me to provide it and make more money because I don't know how long it will last. I'll test out 120, 150 carefully until it balances but also consider where I think the top end is to not make my regular business go away. In this period, if someone fancies my product they pay this price. If I push too hard, I'll come back down a bit to where the balance is. If I want to temporarily increase business, I may put special offers on. I also may do some long term deals for customers who pay me a lot every month. It's the way it is and how I'd run my one man business with a certain capacity to maximise profit. Reality. Petrol, consulting, supermarkets, builders etc

Then there's complexity and emotion thrown in with questions from our side like, 'how much do I feel is greedy to have sex with me when I can't pay those prices?'. Also, some SP's who like to give little in return or deceive for short term gain.

In the end, the market decides (us) based on quaility, supply, ability to pay against service and we shop around. There'll be a top end, a good middle and a low end, with tax payers and avoiders, professionals and rip off artists in the mix. And the average rate for each category is dictated by demand.

Didn't John Maynard Keynes say something similar???

[Steelworker]

I'm not an economist. Just have seen this play out. I believe Keynes advocated government policy response to prevent boom and bust. There ain't no government policy on pricing etc here as Red says 

[ampersand]

I'm not an economist. Just have seen this play out. I believe Keynes advocated government policy response to prevent boom and bust. There ain't no government policy on pricing etc here as Red says 

There is a reason I failed economics ...........

[Steelworker]

And a reason I didn't study it  Back to OP's statement though. Whether my explanation is BS or not, times in this area do seem to have changed with price up to levels which are higher than many places.

[Punting_Mad]

I live in Swansea!
We don't have the opportunity to turn down girls at £150+... Haha..
Our punting science is like something from post war Russia!

[steviex00]

It's not really about cost, it's about value.
£150 for a stunner that gives a great service is much better value than £100 for disinterested, hurried service from an average girl.

Personally, I think around £2 per minute isn't unfair to either punter or WG. Don't get me started on "extras" though!

I notice there seems to be a rise in 15 minute quickies being offered by some girls, maybe this is their attempt to acknowledge times are tough for some punters.
I just wonder what you do for the remaining ten minutes.....