Local knocking shop raided

[NIK]

I was surprised to see in my local paper last week that the police had raided a house in my town and arrested two people with regard to sexual stuff. Thought that didn't happen much anymore.

The arrested male and female had Chinese names and the report said that there was a naked younger female in a bedroom and a naked man in the bed, presumably a client who must have been shocked. It sounds like the client and prossy haven't been charged, as I don't think they have committed any crime, but the Chinese couple are due to go to Derby Crown Court as the local magistrates can't deal with it. It sounds pretty serious. There doesn't however seem to be any mention of coercion or trafficking, but I assume this could be the reason. Also as there appeared to be only one woman working on the premises it wasn't really a brothel, unless the older woman facing charges was also on the game.

For the record it was on a house in a relatively respectable suburban area about a mile or so from where I live. Indeed I have walked past regularly and had no idea. Once upon a time I would have known all about it.   Indeed the last prossy I saw in my home town a few years ago was also Chinese, and I wonder if this could be the same outfit as again there was a man and a woman involved and a younger girl who couldn't speak English, although this was a few years ago in a totally different location.

I wonder how the police knew about it. Maybe the neighbours complained. There is also a primary school at the end of the road. Apparently the client had got the contact from a magazine rather than AW, but I expect they were also on AW or Vivastreet. It is also necessary to bear in mind that the local rag often makes mistakes and reports bollocks and therefore can't always be trusted.

The town have always been quite keen on stamping out any odd flickers of prostitution we have had. Most famously at the beginning of the 90's in my early days of punting an agency I used several times was closed down and the couple running it prosecuted. Even then the local rag as far as I was aware got it wrong with lurid font page headlines about a brothel on the premises and men coming and going at all hours, when in my experience it was an outcall service only.
I was interviewed by the police myself as a witness. I didn't know at  the time that you didn't have to co-operate if you didn't want to and they of course were careful not to make this clear. The copper interviewing me actually said he thought it was a waste of time and they had more important things to do, but the council had pressurised his bosses to take action.
Many year later a local knocking shop was unsurprisingly closed after a firearm was discovered on the premises.

When I first started punting there were quite a few sp's in my town, but for the past 20 years or so they have been extremely rare.
Unless you want middle aged fatties! 

[con-a-ser]

The arrested male and female had Chinese names and the report said that there was a naked younger female in a bedroom and a naked man in the bed, presumably a client who must have been shocked. It sounds like the client and prossy haven't been charged, as I don't think they have committed any crime, but the Chinese couple are due to go to Derby Crown Court as the local magistrates can't deal with it. It sounds pretty serious. There doesn't however seem to be any mention of coercion or trafficking, but I assume this could be the reason. Also as there appeared to be only one woman working on the premises it wasn't really a brothel, unless the older woman facing charges was also on the game.

If it had been trafficing or coercen then there is a good chance the guy would be charged
You could end up with a rape charge has the girl isn't consenting under those circumstances, Can't recall this been in a case but other may know better

[Jimmyredcab]

If it had been trafficing or coercen then there is a good chance the guy would be charged
You could end up with a rape charge has the girl isn't consenting under those circumstances, Can't recall this been in a case but other may know better

I don't know of a single case where a punter has been prosecuted for punting with a girl who has been trafficked, maybe because it would be very hard to get a guilty verdict.
How would I know that the girl is being forced to work against her will. ????

[smiths]

I don't know of a single case where a punter has been prosecuted for punting with a girl who has been trafficked, maybe because it would be very hard to get a guilty verdict.
How would I know that the girl is being forced to work against her will. ????

Legally thanks to Harriet Harmans coercion law of 2010 it doesn't matter whether you knew or nor as in theory its a strict liability offence, so in effect you would have to prove you didn't know which would be impossible. So to clarify if it was proved a WG was being coerced/forced and a punter punted with her he could get done, and its irrelevant whether he was aware or not.

[Jimmyredcab]

I don't know of a single case where a punter has been prosecuted for punting with a girl who has been trafficked.

Can someone provide a link to prove me wrong ------------- in your own time.   

[smiths]

I was surprised to see in my local paper last week that the police had raided a house in my town and arrested two people with regard to sexual stuff. Thought that didn't happen much anymore.

The arrested male and female had Chinese names and the report said that there was a naked younger female in a bedroom and a naked man in the bed, presumably a client who must have been shocked. It sounds like the client and prossy haven't been charged, as I don't think they have committed any crime, but the Chinese couple are due to go to Derby Crown Court as the local magistrates can't deal with it. It sounds pretty serious. There doesn't however seem to be any mention of coercion or trafficking, but I assume this could be the reason. Also as there appeared to be only one woman working on the premises it wasn't really a brothel, unless the older woman facing charges was also on the game.

For the record it was on a house in a relatively respectable suburban area about a mile or so from where I live. Indeed I have walked past regularly and had no idea. Once upon a time I would have known all about it.   Indeed the last prossy I saw in my home town a few years ago was also Chinese, and I wonder if this could be the same outfit as again there was a man and a woman involved and a younger girl who couldn't speak English, although this was a few years ago in a totally different location.

I wonder how the police knew about it. Maybe the neighbours complained. There is also a primary school at the end of the road. Apparently the client had got the contact from a magazine rather than AW, but I expect they were also on AW or Vivastreet. It is also necessary to bear in mind that the local rag often makes mistakes and reports bollocks and therefore can't always be trusted.

The town have always been quite keen on stamping out any odd flickers of prostitution we have had. Most famously at the beginning of the 90's in my early days of punting an agency I used several times was closed down and the couple running it prosecuted. Even then the local rag as far as I was aware got it wrong with lurid font page headlines about a brothel on the premises and men coming and going at all hours, when in my experience it was an outcall service only.
I was interviewed by the police myself as a witness. I didn't know at  the time that you didn't have to co-operate if you didn't want to and they of course were careful not to make this clear. The copper interviewing me actually said he thought it was a waste of time and they had more important things to do, but the council had pressurised his bosses to take action.
Many year later a local knocking shop was unsurprisingly closed after a firearm was discovered on the premises.

When I first started punting there were quite a few sp's in my town, but for the past 20 years or so they have been extremely rare.
Unless you want middle aged fatties! 

I am very surprised the local paper didn't mention what the charges were as that would presumably have been mentioned by the Magistrates court when they said they had to pass it to the Crown Court. Unless the info is subject to a gagging order at present so specifics aren't allowed to be mentioned. The place could still have been a brothel because on other days another WG might of worked their, that's how some of these Chinese brothels operate in London. As ever in these cases who knows until or unless factual info gets posted. I was keenly following a sex party that had fucked me about a few years ago which got done, it took months for any info to get into the local press listing the charges then the case through to conviction. The cunt who ran it was also subject to POCA who seize pimps assets, poetic justice for being a dodgy wanker in my book.

[webpunter]

There was a place not too far from where i live which made the NOTW.  I wasn't aware at all - dipshit that i am.  I was out having a few drinks with a group of people & this came up in convo.  One of the guys went to a party there - invited by some mates.  He said he was oblivious to things going on around him.  He thought he'd pulled some burd.  She asked him if he had any idea what was going on.  Answer = nope [although he said was bladdered].  It was in the early hours & things were drawing to a close.  She said she fancied him & was feeling horny so she'd go back to his place for the equivalent of about 100-150 [now] + a taxi home in the morning.  And that he'd get the shag of the century.  He thought fuck it - why not.  Fit-as & she duly delivered

[Knny]

OP, Was it a place in derby that got raided?

[webpunter]

You don't refer to NIK as 'OP'  How very dare you

OP, Was it a place in derby that got raided?

[pking_paul]

Interesting Nik. I stayed in quite smart apartments in Bristol once and saw at least 5-6 wgs I recognised during my couple of weeks there. One day there was a commotion in the lift and a big Eastern European guy and a wg were arguing, didn't look good.

I also saw a flash white car, Mercedes I think, drop two girls off who looked quite average but clearly European. Later that night I hardly recognised one of them in the lift. Later on again they too were all arguing out in the street.

Made me really wonder about trafficked Romanians or other Eastern types!

Wonder how they got spotted if you didn't notice with your eagle eye?

[MilleMiglia]

Another parlour looking to get rid of competition?

[Moresomes]

Regardless of the legalities, I've always had it in the back of my mind that some day the big red key could hit the door, and they pile in to find me balls deep, with my hairy pimply old arse in the air.   

[con-a-ser]

Legally thanks to Harriet Harmans coercion law of 2010 it doesn't matter whether you knew or nor as in theory its a strict liability offence, so in effect you would have to prove you didn't know which would be impossible. So to clarify if it was proved a WG was being coerced/forced and a punter punted with her he could get done, and its irrelevant whether he was aware or not.

She took the money6 & said Thank you so she consented, Or is that not good enough in the eyes of the law

What I was pointing out was if trafficked or Coerced then the punter should have been questioned 

[Jimmyredcab]

She took the money6 & said Thank you so she consented, Or is that not good enough in the eyes of the law

If Sergei has forced her to work in his brothel then technically she is not giving her consent.

It is a stupid law which is why is has never been enforced ------------------- unless someone can provide a link to prove otherwise.   

[Knny]

You don't refer to NIK as 'OP'  How very dare you

The perils of using mobile.  As soon as you hit the reply button you cannot see the original post for reference.  Going back is a pain.  I much prefer a desktop.

Sorry NIK.

[webpunter]

At least in 10 floors-of-whores in south ken these are mostly single apartments so technically not a knocking shop

If Sergei has forced her to work in his brothel then technically she is not giving her consent.
It is a stupid law which is why is has never been enforced ------------------- unless someone can provide a link to prove otherwise.   

[smiths]

She took the money6 & said Thank you so she consented, Or is that not good enough in the eyes of the law

What I was pointing out was if trafficked or Coerced then the punter should have been questioned

Its the fact that she IS being coerced/forced that matters, presumably such a WG would take a punters money for him to be able to punt with her at which point under the offence he has broken the law.

[NIK]

You don't refer to NIK as 'OP'  How very dare you

It's okay. I'm not precious! 

[NIK]

OP, Was it a place in derby that got raided?

No it was Derbyshire's second town.
Or more precisely first as Derby is a city.

[NIK]

I am very surprised the local paper didn't mention what the charges were as that would presumably have been mentioned by the Magistrates court when they said they had to pass it to the Crown Court. Unless the info is subject to a gagging order at present so specifics aren't allowed to be mentioned. The place could still have been a brothel because on other days another WG might of worked their, that's how some of these Chinese brothels operate in London. As ever in these cases who knows until or unless factual info gets posted. I was keenly following a sex party that had fucked me about a few years ago which got done, it took months for any info to get into the local press listing the charges then the case through to conviction. The cunt who ran it was also subject to POCA who seize pimps assets, poetic justice for being a dodgy wanker in my book.

They did mention the charges but I can't recall exactly what they were and I have since binned the paper. There was certainly something along the old lines of 'profiting from immoral earnings', although like so many others things I think it's called something else these days. I don't recall the word 'trafficking' being used though.
I would have thought as it's going to the CC there must be something more though.

[con-a-ser]

They did mention the charges but I can't recall exactly what they were and I have since binned the paper. There was certainly something along the old lines of 'profiting from immoral earnings',

well that's not very British you are meant to post I couldn't make out the charges as they where covered in the grease of my fish & chips

[smiths]

They did mention the charges but I can't recall exactly what they were and I have since binned the paper. There was certainly something along the old lines of 'profiting from immoral earnings', although like so many others things I think it's called something else these days. I don't recall the word 'trafficking' being used though.
I would have thought as it's going to the CC there must be something more though.

If there isn't trafficking in the charges its usually charges such as controlling prostitutes for gain, running a brothel, money laundering or a mixture of the three. Then if convicted HMRC may take an interest as well as POCA. I bet the pimps arsehole/s is/are quivering.

[Marmalade]

People can get rather hung up on legalities, thinking that laws are some sort of rule of nature that govern police action. Almost any barrister will tell you otherwise.

Even if the sex is legal they can, given the right incentive, be looking for a minor infraction on something else or simply use investigation as harassment. During the tenure of a particularly abolitionist gay police chief fucker in Scotland, we had watched frequent local headlines of raids, mostly with lurid details exposing the 'disgusting perverted evidence' that condoms and sex toys had been found. They lined prossies up in the street outside the saunas for several hours, confiscated money and phones without returning them, and struggled to get anything to stick. They busted law-abiding prossies (including some excellent Scottish WGs) working in private flats similarly using harassment under the legal fiction of 'concerns about public safety' when people 'didn't know there was a prostitute working next door.' To Edinburgh's credit, the community was almost 100% against the police actions, as was the council, and one church officer practically told them to fuck off (well he just said it was not a matter for the church that a prossies was working next door to their offices, which was the newspaper headline).

Out of all of it, the main result was the regular student influx of new prossies dried up and didn't return. A couple of saunas were closed after a big court battle. A few of the most decent law-abiding people who manned the front desk were made jobless.

In several English cities there has been the occasional or long-standing practice of shaming the punter in the newspapers. Or in Edinburgh (a pretty tolerant city with a council that opposed most daft police and other troglodyte methods) they introduced a law with massive fines for picking up a SW.

But of course, Jimmy's not worried as he repeatedly tells us that no-one is interested in who he pays for sex (not surprising if he rarely if ever pays for sex these days) and he has no business or matrimonial interests that can be used to 'shame' him ...

Meanwhile there are always hardened criminals and Romanians willing to take the risk.

[Jimmyredcab]

But of course, Jimmy's not worried as he repeatedly tells us that no-one is interested in who he pays for sex (not surprising if he rarely if ever pays for sex these days)

I punt far less than ever, maybe once a month, I am no longer willing to hand over my money to dirty lowlife skanks and their pimps, these gentlemen with hundreds of reviews should consider counselling , they clearly have a problem.

[GolfNut]

Seems to be a bit of a theme at the minute as that's the second raid in Derby in a couple of months.

Sandy's a long standing parlour in Manchester was recently raided and is currently closed.

Lots of speculation as to the reason behind it but perhaps local councils short of cash are looking for opportunities to raise some cash, or there is an agenda around paid for sex.

[webpunter]

My biggest problem is that i'm only on 26.  A piss poor performance relative to the ton up set
I like to reflect on things with my counsellor.  Usually my right hand.  Occasionally my left hand to add a different perspective 

these gentlemen with hundreds of reviews should consider counselling , they clearly have a problem.

[Marmalade]

I punt far less than ever, maybe once a month, I am no longer willing to hand over my money to dirty lowlife skanks and their pimps, these gentlemen with hundreds of reviews should consider counselling , they clearly have a problem.

Thank you for clarifying. Good luck with the posh prostitutes whoever they are.

I'm sure plod are "not interested in them" either. 

[GolfNut]

I punt far less than ever, maybe once a month, I am no longer willing to hand over my money to dirty lowlife skanks and their pimps, these gentlemen with hundreds of reviews should consider counselling , they clearly have a problem.

Would love to know what selection criteria Jimmy uses to avoid the dirty lowlifes, Skanks and their Pimps.

Is there an underground forum that filters these out by any chance? 

[fairfield]

Sadly i suspect the (in)famous £60/hr EE brothel in Liverpool is also living on borrowed time.
A recent visit saw punters on different sides of the street loudly asking each other for info on the girls and a black kid in a strop bcs the wgs wouldn't let him in. Worse some 'concerned citizen' resident tried to spike my tyre and stood in the middle of the road openly filming me as i departed.
Jrc, it could be your last chance to experience some top rank skanks. You know you really want to.
Just hope it doesn't prompt old bill to widen his attention to the more discreet operations.

 

[Marmalade]

They would better off encouraging the saunas and giving them friendly support and checking the girls are over 18 and not forced. Instead of cover ups that give the BNP this sort of ammunition:
External Link/Members Only  I'd quite happily deport Nick Griffin and see such figures handled responsibly. Same for this lot. External Link/Members Only Boris has just shown that honesty is not 'dangerous' when it comes to Arabs and arms (unlike Downing Street who reinterpreted what he said to say the UK supports Saudi Arabia -- unnecessary, Arabs prefer straight talking, as his subsequent visit demonstrated.

These cover-ups in the name of political correctness unfortunately not only fuel the far right but, with carefully timed releases after editing out words like 'Mohammed' are used to justify raids on legitimate paid-sex venues.

[smiths]

I punt far less than ever, maybe once a month, I am no longer willing to hand over my money to dirty lowlife skanks and their pimps, these gentlemen with hundreds of reviews should consider counselling , they clearly have a problem.

What a load of fucking bollocks, its those punters who do reviews who help keep UKP going while an armchair punter like yourself just moans and groans about the WGs OTHER punters have good punts with. You couldn't make it up.

[Marmalade]

     I was waiting for Smiths to say something ... 

[NIK]

Would love to know what selection criteria Jimmy uses to avoid the dirty lowlifes, Skanks and their Pimps.

Is there an underground forum that filters these out by any chance? 

Unfortunately not. There never really has been, apart from following advice given on here. This, alongside financial concerns, is why I punt even less than Jimmy now. His once a month is prolific compared to my once a year. When I was younger I was more prepared to take chances (and I certainly took plenty!  ). Not any more. Even if I had the cash I have long ago lost the inclination.

[GreyDave]

I am no longer willing to hand over my money to dirty lowlife skanks , these gentlemen with hundreds of reviews should consider counselling , they clearly have a problem.

A, that's why I now use Uber B, I treat all women as equal (some better shags than last but same thing) 
C, For my problems I seeking counselling with Big Titted Milfs and for advice I look here.

  I have been in places when Mr Plod has arrived , 2 over the years in walk-ups they have been polite yet firm and asked for the id of the girls to confirm age and status nothing more the maids were familiar with this and I sat quietly with some clothing on I was asked were I was from when I spoke it was clear to them I was an English Middle aged punter. They gave the maid some paperwork and went on there way . I walked up to a flat above the shops in Northwood hills opposite Tube as a raid was in progress I was warned by a garage worker as I climbed the stairs by ignored him only to meet 2 plod who took my details they explained it was an illegal workers raid (week before I`d shagged a Russian there) nothing happened to me . and Lastly Bushey babes I was not in but walking up to as group appeared to "storm " place I turned to look and walked by so not in at time

[fairfield]

'''''I have been in places when Mr Plod has arrived ....

GD, that's some chutzpah, coolly walking into a possible shit storm - hats off to you sir. Since I NEVER carry id to a punt, how are the boys in blue gonna be able to check the details given?
Gives me new hope that can continue visiting L'pools EE bargain basement. Only need now to avoid the streets resident Mary Whitehouse vigilante and am home 'n dry.