Guys, would you have been honest?

[Delfrommem]

Everything I said was relevant. Nowt wrong with being lowlife: Except denying it. Enjoy!

Lowlife? Help us out by defining the high life and all the other stratas of your caste system.

The need to use such labels says more about you than wg's. Meanwhile, let's continue staring down at the world while stuffing vol au vents up our arse to make us feel above it all. The sort of thing we can proudly declare to the rest of the world - I work as a fucking merchant banker and whatnot?

I might have your idea of the world wrong, maybe it's the impression of talking utter bollocks that you do so well.

And to the OP - perhaps Marmalde should have suggested you wipe your cock on the money before returning it just to ensure this was a lowlife transaction rather than returning a dividend on an off shore investment or any other number of such like classy transactions that he so evidently has in his expansive mind.

[G.Raff]

Of course, tbh it's not even a dilemma, that's what I'd do without even thinking about it.

[Marmalade]

Wouldn't you say that lowlife status comes not from the job but stigma in society ? Most people would consider drug dealing a lowlife job.
If you made drugs legal it would be just a job selling plants.
I agree with the point on lack of recourse and we could debate whether stigma is deserved or not.
I think lowlife/stigma comes from weird attitude to sex most of us have.

As things are in the real world right now I agree with you. I just wanted to throw that in, I don't wish to instigate some long winded debate

Absolutely, and I'm pleased at least someone has got the point!

We can debate oh golly-gosh, is the stigma deserved, and oh, what is the cause, and oh what if, till the cows (no pun intended) come home. But the facts are that it is a lowlife occupation in our society. I am not taking a position on whether it should be, but I can't offhand think of any societies where it isn't. It is simply is.*

It's a lot more precise that saying you are 'going for a walk on the wild side' or some such romanticised bollocks. Of course, there will always be deluded fluffies that want to slaver about "treating her as a lady" and "show her respect guys" and "not divulging any intimate details." They can't accept in themselves that they've just shagged a whore. A lowlife. A character that is continuously under the radar rather than having a proper life. Yes, a lowlife. All the silly righteous fucks that interpret that as some sort of moral condemnation are up their own biblical arses. They are not protesting about the whore, but wanting to insist of their own choirboy purity by making her into something she's not.

So what about the pedant that says euoooo marm, but a person is not the job, she is just a 'working girl' so doncha be so rood! Well fuck them basically, because it is fantasy, (and "WG" is for PC purposes). You only see her in her working capacity, as a whore, and the more you try to cross the line and see the 'real her' the more you are breaking the deal. Did you go to see a whore today or did you go to see Amanda who for the time that she sees you and (and a hundred other guys) just happens to become a whore? Clearly yu went to see a whore. So please, stop pretending it's like a girlfriend or that you are simply giving her something as a 'present' for her 'time and fucking company' no doubt.

*dictionary definition for the philologically challenged: A low-life or lowlife is a term for a person who is considered morally unacceptable by their community.

[Marmalade]

Of course, tbh it's not even a dilemma, that's what I'd do without even thinking about it.

It's quite amusing. In spite of the dickhead taking it so bloody seriously. Actually, twice recently, while abroad, I wiped my cock on the curtain (my cock is too clean to wipe on money you dumb fucker). It was a wry moment in memory of the frequent allusion on UKP thinking of you guys (and a private joke as there was nowhere else to wipe it). No, I didn't ruin her curtains, for all you concerned whiteknights, and it was not exactly a luxury pad so I didn't feel bad about it, but thanks for your concern.

[Expl1cit]

An escort who forgets her money is by definition a civvie fuck buddy.  If it happens to me, I would assume she enjoyed herself so much, she couldn't expect to be paid for the encounter 

I would wait a few days to see if she calls me.  If no call, I would try to make a booking with her, throwing in a cheeky its my birthday again this week and would you do another freebie and have some fun with it, before eventually giving her the fee...




... in pound coins... as a reminder to always take the cash upfront in future! Not all punters are honest

[OakTree]

You paint a sobering but rather accurate reality of what paid sex really is Marmalade. Of course it's seedy and low life. That's why I sneak around squirrelling money away and lying about my whereabouts.  I have to admit I do delude myself I'm with a rampant woman who wants to fuck my brains out for the hour. That for me is the fantasy and why I do it. The true litmus test is though, out of the God knows how many paid sex encounters I've had, once the hour is up I'm walking out the door back into the real world. I've never had one say, "You don't have to go now Fraserlad. Come, fuck me some more".

[Colston36]

One of the things that I like about this site is that the contributors seem to be ruthlessly honest - they (we) admit to the most disgusting perversions ( ), to deceiving our wives and partners, to being old, bald and fat..

It seems a little odd that some of us lying ugly bastards have such a poor view of WGs; they're dishonest, workshy, thieving, amoral... Aren't they just like the rest of humanity? There are good ones and bad ones. Ones who put a spring in your step and one who put a dagger in your back. In fact, like the rest of us, the same girl can be good one day and the next they can be a mardy bint.

I don't think we can claim to be better than they are and some would say we're worse.

Now, back to business: any recommendations for a punt this afternoon in SW London?

Totally agree

[Delfrommem]

Feck, seriously. Winding up manouvres in a frivolous debate on a punting forum? 

My point really being - who gives a toss about status of activities whether frowned or favoured?
It amuses me to consider the neat heirachy's that we indulge.

The dishonesty and stigma around punting doesn't come particularly lower down than the deluded spunk people have regarding societally prized status and the pathetic efforts most of us go through to attain it. Hardly a white knighting position. And not a deeply serious attempt at commentary. societal value systems are there to wipe one's cock on.

The comments were a bit punchy but if you can't ejaculate your atavistic impulses on a punting forum after a bad night of football then the alternative is...well you might just  end up using prostitutes.

[Marmalade]

You paint a sobering but rather accurate reality of what paid sex really is Marmalade. Of course it's seedy and low life. That's why I sneak around squirrelling money away and lying about my whereabouts.  I have to admit I do delude myself I'm with a rampant woman who wants to fuck my brains out for the hour. That for me is the fantasy and why I do it. The true litmus test is though, out of the God knows how many paid sex encounters I've had, once the hour is up I'm walking out the door back into the real world. I've never had one say, "You don't have to go now Fraserlad. Come, fuck me some more".

Pretty accurate. I mean if one lived in a manor house, and some royalty have undoubtedly done this, the prostitute would be let in via the back door (tradesmen's' entrance) by a butler trusted to keep a gentleman's business secret. One can say that the gentleman is "acting a role" but no more than if he pays the grease-covered mechanic himself or tells her ladyship that he is going to check on the horses when he is really going to take a dump and fuck the back door whore. Manners says we are discreet about certain things. The gentleman is not driven to such things by penury or lack of taste: and he has a 'respectable' public persona making money off the ingrates to whom he rents out hovels. He has a circle of publicly acceptable educated, refined or distinguished friends that he could introduce at any dinner party. The whore does not.

There is no moralising. One needs to be honest about such things to oneself. And honest on here. If it were a forum for discussing piles we would be sharing things that would be indelicate anywhere else. Even to imagine that the people you or anyone else employs are on the same level as you is a rejection of autonomy. The government are our paid servants. The gas man is our paid servant. And the overpaid fucking prossie is definitely our paid servant. Is that disrespectful? no, it is acknowledging the correct places within a relationship. The person who doesn't is meat for the used car salesman, the double glazing hawker .... and the adultwork prostitute. It doesn't mean one is not civil to them. It doesn't mean that one expects things not in the contractual agreement. And it certainly doesn't (at least in my books as it would be an insult to my personal integrity) mean one walks off without paying (if you think differently I respect your opinion without subscribing to it).

[Marmalade]

Lowlife? Help us out by defining the high life and all the other stratas of your caste system.

As you are too lazy or too illiterate to look it up yourself?

The need to use such labels says more about you than wg's.

Yes indeed. It shows that I understand the relationship, you do not, and that WGs are lowlife.

Feck, seriously. Winding up manouvres in a frivolous debate on a punting forum? 
My point really being - who gives a toss about status of activities whether frowned or favoured?

So after getting it wrong, as well as being a rude insulting cunt, now you want to say ahh it was all a joke and who's bothered anyway and you didn't really mean it. I've heard the same shite from someone who tried to mug me when I turned the tables on him. "Sorry for being a cunt, I misunderstood you" would be more appropriate words from you. But nevermind. I'm sure your paid fuckhole princesses tell you you are wonderful. 

[weedougie]

Given the dictionary definition, it seems to me that punters are lowlife too...

Now there's a surprise, who'd have thought it. We'll have to get some membership cards made

[Delfrommem]

As you are too lazy or too illiterate to look it up yourself?
Yes indeed. It shows that I understand the relationship, you do not, and that WGs are lowlife.

So after getting it wrong, as well as being a rude insulting cunt, now you want to say ahh it was all a joke and who's bothered anyway and you didn't really mean it. I've heard the same shite from someone who tried to mug me when I turned the tables on him. "Sorry for being a cunt, I misunderstood you" would be more appropriate words from you. But nevermind. I'm sure your paid fuckhole princesses tell you you are wonderful. 

It's not a joke per se, I just can't take the banality of your logic seriously. And so to be casually contemptuous of it is my (not greatly serious) response. To you that's a misunderstanding based on your inbred arrogance. In short, the list you have in your mind of lowlife jobs is relative to your social milieu - it sounds as if you believe there is a place on earth above whoring yourself for money. Is it a vicarage somewhere in Surrey?

None of this is a defence of prostitutes, whores, whatever you feel appropriate to describe them, I'm not concerned with their status just amused at the prospect of what life is like on this other presumably higher plain of existence. That you preach we come down for a bit of dirt seems to be a very fluffy notion of life. If not just plain cuntish.

[Marmalade]

Social milieu is part of the definition you idiot. But as you seem incapable of holding a logical discourse and hide behind insults you can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. verb.sap.

[MrMatrix]

I was talking to a WG and asked what sort of unusual things that shes encountered. A customer finished got dressed and deliberately picked up the money and walked out. So I pointed out but you've left my money out- yes but we've met before. True we had.

I would never do that to a SP, even though I've been scammed by a WG.
As regular punters I guess we all have stories we could put on this thread.

[Marmalade]

Given the dictionary definition, it seems to me that punters are lowlife too...

Now there's a surprise, who'd have thought it. We'll have to get some membership cards made

Well it looks like Delfrommem can't see past his chip buttie so some punters probably are. The normal ones -- the same as normal prossies -- aren't necessarily better or worse human beings, how would we know anyway? I certainly make no such assumption. But to say a prossie isn't a lowlife on your scale puts her in the same category as your wife or girlfriend. Now I wonder how many normal people would agree to that...

          

[Delfrommem]

Well it looks like Delfrommem can't see past his chip buttie so some punters probably are. The normal ones -- the same as normal prossies -- aren't necessarily better or worse human beings, how would we know anyway? I certainly make no such assumption. But to say a prossie isn't a lowlife on your scale puts her in the same category as your wife or girlfriend. Now I wonder how many normal people would agree to that...

          

This fictional Edwardian aristocrat you affect is very well done.
I like the bit where you turn the tables on the mugger. The little oik must be forever grateful for learning his place in society.

[coolguy1990]

Absolutely, and I'm pleased at least someone has got the point!

We can debate oh golly-gosh, is the stigma deserved, and oh, what is the cause, and oh what if, till the cows (no pun intended) come home. But the facts are that it is a lowlife occupation in our society. I am not taking a position on whether it should be, but I can't offhand think of any societies where it isn't. It is simply is.*

It's a lot more precise that saying you are 'going for a walk on the wild side' or some such romanticised bollocks. Of course, there will always be deluded fluffies that want to slaver about "treating her as a lady" and "show her respect guys" and "not divulging any intimate details." They can't accept in themselves that they've just shagged a whore. A lowlife. A character that is continuously under the radar rather than having a proper life. Yes, a lowlife. All the silly righteous fucks that interpret that as some sort of moral condemnation are up their own biblical arses. They are not protesting about the whore, but wanting to insist of their own choirboy purity by making her into something she's not.

So what about the pedant that says euoooo marm, but a person is not the job, she is just a 'working girl' so doncha be so rood! Well fuck them basically, because it is fantasy, (and "WG" is for PC purposes). You only see her in her working capacity, as a whore, and the more you try to cross the line and see the 'real her' the more you are breaking the deal. Did you go to see a whore today or did you go to see Amanda who for the time that she sees you and (and a hundred other guys) just happens to become a whore? Clearly yu went to see a whore. So please, stop pretending it's like a girlfriend or that you are simply giving her something as a 'present' for her 'time and fucking company' no doubt.

*dictionary definition for the philologically challenged: A low-life or lowlife is a term for a person who is considered morally unacceptable by their community.

You are engaging in extreme dichotomous thinking and your straw man argument can only be described as a rant, reminiscent of the type people suffering with borderline personality disorder spew.

[weedougie]

Well it looks like Delfrommem can't see past his chip buttie so some punters probably are. The normal ones -- the same as normal prossies -- aren't necessarily better or worse human beings, how would we know anyway? I certainly make no such assumption. But to say a prossie isn't a lowlife on your scale puts her in the same category as your wife or girlfriend. Now I wonder how many normal people would agree to that...

          

Try telling your wife/girlfriend about your punting and then ask her if she thinks you're a lowlife...

All I'm saying is that I don't think punters have any moral superiority over WGs

I'm bored now

[fredbassett]

I am shocked that the OP needed to ask. The fact that you are dealing with lowlife is no need to act like one.

That's a bit brutal of you, Marmalade - you're equating WG's with politicians.  At least WG's by and large give some level of value and service for the money they're paid. 

[James999]

Did help an old lady accross the road on your way home, such heart warming stories, amazing that it wasn't front page news on the Sun 

[James999]

We'll have to get some membership cards made

In yoru case perhaps a wipe clean card would be a good idea 

[hungrypunt]

This happened to me with and SA girl once, she left the money on the side... I put the money in my pocket, walked down the hotel corridors out to my car and drove her home all chatty and nice like, yep right to her house, well avenue anyway.

She gave me a big snog, rubbed my cock till it got hard some more and said "thats so you remember me".

I pulled the money out and said the same back to her, she got a little upset about the actual cash thing. I said I showed you where I put it in the table in the room, she said she felt awkward about putting it in her bag and then forgot, now she feels like an escort. I said lean over and open your mouth....tongued her and put it in her back jeans pocket...she was  OK with that

Seen her 4 times after and did the same each time by slippin it in her back or coat pocket..weirdos

[Colston36]

Are you as enthusiastic about SA as some others?

Is it possible to cut out all the romantic preliminaries and get straight to the transaction?

I guess I'm being silly and looking for a one-size-fits all answer, but do you have a general view?

I've now collected quite a few possibles before actually upgrading. At first thought it wasn't worth the  bother, but beginning to get seriously interested

[yorkshirepunter3333]

I had something like this, I paid via PayPal the WG entered the wrong email, I sorted it out..

[NIK]

Yes.
Although I have never known a prossy to forget her money!
I did once forget to pay Nicoletta as we were having such a good time it wasn't like a paid encounter 
However just as I was about to climb the steps outside her place I remembered. Simultaneously so did she, appearing at the door naked as I turned around.
Other than that in my experience all prossies have been on the ball with the money, many of them wanting it up front.
It also might be the bollocks practice of putting it in an envelope that caused her to forget as it's easier to miss. In future don't fuck about with envelopes which are merely a means of paying lip service to discretion, just give them cash in hand.
I have never used an envelope in 35 years punting!

[Trotter671]

Yes, totally agree with the previous responses - was def the right and honest thing to do.
I've nearly forgot on a couple of occasions with girls (who I have obviously seen previously) did not request paying up front but just got 'stuck in' Thankfully did remember before I staggered out all wobbly legged and knackered.
These days I tend to put the required cash on bedside table after having shower so I don't forget like a dozy git