Recovering from a bad punt as a newbie

[Hardman123]

Skimming the OP's posting history and filling the gaps I think he's suffering from a bit of Dunning-Kruger effect combined with a prospensity to think out loud. He admits several times that this is a domain he's very inexperienced in, but then frequently slips into making generalised statements with perhaps more of an authoritative tone than intended.

The result is pushback (verging on dog-piling) on just about every topic he starts, and for what it's worth I think the OP has done well to not become overly defensive or abusive in response.

Speaking to OP directly for a minute - pal, as somebody who was in very similar situation to you a few short years ago (minus the supercar), my advice would be to punt more, review more, overthink less, and speculate less. Some things in life really can only be understood through active participation. Don't ever forget that there are many fish in the sea when it comes to escorts, and likewise you're only ever a face in the crowd to them. The best way to avoid emotional attachment is to get out there and experience some variety. Stop overthinking, stop trying to choreograph the perfect punt, just get out there, get stuck in, and enjoy yourself.

This is the actual truth. Getting the message loud and clear from everyone. Stop being a lover boy and just get on with it


Just posted the review. Hopefully goes some way in proving I’m not a troll

Sealioning concept seems interesting, but refute the allegation entirely. Not being aggressive and ultimately offended by people’s responses is more a sign of being normal and self assured than anything else in my mind… but everyone can have their views. For the record, fully appreciate why some have been riled up…

I will try and be better

[Doc Holliday]

Just posted the review. Hopefully goes some way in proving I’m not a troll

Sealioning concept seems interesting, but refute the allegation entirely. Not being aggressive and ultimately offended by people’s responses is more a sign of being normal and self assured than anything else in my mind… but everyone can have their views. For the record, fully appreciate why some have been riled up…

I will try and be better

No it's not normal. I have accused you of lying. Normally people on forums react badly to that and at least confront the accuser, but you have avoided direct replies to my accusations and indeed my further questions. It can be a sign of being a self assured troll.

All your subsequent posts including the review, but especially the one I am quoting have further reinforced my view. IMO you are not genuine and have created a false online persona as someone who is sexually naive generally and clueless around punting.

I could dissect this further and there was a time on forums I would do so at great length, but I simply cannot be bothered these days especially as you will avoid answering. I will leave  you to play your games

You should also bear in mind that having joined in 2021 the Mods can see how much time you have spent online reading the forum before your first posts earlier last month. I don't have access to that information, but they will know whether that history supports your claim to being 'clueless' with regard to punting knowledge.

[RandomGuy99]

You recover by examining what went wrong with your selection of SP.

Did you do your research on here to find previous reviews?

Did you choose in haste?

Did you go for someone different from your normal preferences?

My suggestion is you have some bookings with SPs who have solid review records on here who are known to deliver a good service for the money. Make sure you go with the flow on the booking. This should restore your happiness and confidence in seeing other SPs.

Someone like a External Link/Members Only or Chelsea Brooke External Link/Members Only or Lilith Noir External Link/Members Only with a large number of positives.

Then do your research and choose at leisure knowing you are booking a good SP who consistently delivers a good experience. That way you can't really go wrong.

You can take the odd TOFTT but be prepared to walk or it not to be great. Occasionally you'll find a diamond.

Remember cheap doesn't mean good.

[Puntingutils]

No it's not normal. I have accused you of lying. Normally people on forums react badly to that and at least confront the accuser, but you have avoided direct replies to my accusations and indeed my further questions. It can be a sign of being a self assured troll..

I could dissect this further and there was a time on forums I would do so at great length, but I simply cannot be bothered these days especially as you will avoid answering. I will leave  you to play your games

Doc, why don't you give OP a break. There are people who get accused and don't reply or get aggressive, because there no point arguing and derailing the threads. I've read both replies, yes it's slightly strange that the accounts are 2021, but i believe OP isn't a troll and just naive. If you have a problem report it to the mods and let them investigate, so there's no need for back and forth?

[daviemac]

Doc, why don't you give OP a break. There are people who get accused and don't reply or get aggressive, because there no point arguing and derailing the threads. I've read both replies, yes it's slightly strange that the accounts are 2021, but i believe OP isn't a troll and just naive. If you have a problem report it to the mods and let them investigate, so there's no need for back and forth?

You should practice what you preach if you have an issue with what anyone posts then you report it, it isn't up to you to pull others up about what their contributions. Doc made a statement to the OP, let him answer, it has nothing to do with you.

The mods are well aware of not only the OP but all other comments and if we thought there was anything being posted that was out of order we would say so.

[Hardman123]

No it's not normal. I have accused you of lying. Normally people on forums react badly to that and at least confront the accuser, but you have avoided direct replies to my accusations and indeed my further questions. It can be a sign of being a self assured troll.

All your subsequent posts including the review, but especially the one I am quoting have further reinforced my view. IMO you are not genuine and have created a false online persona as someone who is sexually naive generally and clueless around punting.

I could dissect this further and there was a time on forums I would do so at great length, but I simply cannot be bothered these days especially as you will avoid answering. I will leave  you to play your games

You should also bear in mind that having joined in 2021 the Mods can see how much time you have spent online reading the forum before your first posts earlier last month. I don't have access to that information, but they will know whether that history supports your claim to being 'clueless' with regard to punting knowledge.

Potato po’tato. You deriving conclusions from reactions means nothing. I cba proving my legitimacy as much as you can’t be bothered going in and on dissecting my every word. I KNOW I have nothing in common with anyone here besides wanting to have sex with women who sell it.

If you think I’m a fraud, feel free to not engage. I’m going to keep doing what I’m doing. As long as I’m not breaking rules you can skip on by… g’day and happy punting 

[Hardman123]

You recover by examining what went wrong with your selection of SP.

Did you do your research on here to find previous reviews?

Did you choose in haste?

Did you go for someone different from your normal preferences?

My suggestion is you have some bookings with SPs who have solid review records on here who are known to deliver a good service for the money. Make sure you go with the flow on the booking. This should restore your happiness and confidence in seeing other SPs.

Someone like a External Link/Members Only or Chelsea Brooke External Link/Members Only or Lilith Noir External Link/Members Only with a large number of positives.

Then do your research and choose at leisure knowing you are booking a good SP who consistently delivers a good experience. That way you can't really go wrong.

You can take the odd TOFTT but be prepared to walk or it not to be great. Occasionally you'll find a diamond.

Remember cheap doesn't mean good.

Good shout and thank you for the suggestion. Was going to post in the regional section in a few weeks for suggestions

[Hardman123]

Doc, why don't you give OP a break. There are people who get accused and don't reply or get aggressive, because there no point arguing and derailing the threads. I've read both replies, yes it's slightly strange that the accounts are 2021, but i believe OP isn't a troll and just naive. If you have a problem report it to the mods and let them investigate, so there's no need for back and forth?

P.s I’m not sure why my account is saying 2021. I may have registered back in the days. But I deffo only recently transferred the BTC to gain access

[Hardman123]

You should practice what you preach if you have an issue with what anyone posts then you report it, it isn't up to you to pull others up about what their contributions. Doc made a statement to the OP, let him answer, it has nothing to do with you.

The mods are well aware of not only the OP but all other comments and if we thought there was anything being posted that was out of order we would say so.

Respectfully, you did agree with him and initiated this theory. And now you’re defending someone trying to defend me… quite partisan in your approach

[daviemac]

Respectfully, you did agree with him and initiated this theory. And now you’re defending someone trying to defend me… quite partisan in your approach

No, regardless of my opinion or what I have said in the past, there is a rule about wannabe mods and that is the issue I have taken up with  Puntingutils, he is telling Doc to report something he himself is doing and that is a totally separate issue to whether or not I think you are a troll.

People who question your registered date are out of order as registered date and date you were able to post are two very separate things, which is why we are emphasising reporting and not trying to be a mod.

Just to remind everyone. -

32 Wannabe Mods and/or not heeding mods/admins warnings will result in a ban.

[Doc Holliday]

Potato po’tato. You deriving conclusions from reactions means nothing. I cba proving my legitimacy as much as you can’t be bothered going in and on dissecting my every word. I KNOW I have nothing in common with anyone here besides wanting to have sex with women who sell it.

If you think I’m a fraud, feel free to not engage. I’m going to keep doing what I’m doing. As long as I’m not breaking rules you can skip on by… g’day and happy punting

Very self assured again. You've clearly dealt with troll accusers like myself before. As you are not going to reply to my question about the timing of your opening posts on the forum, then we are at an impasse and I won't bother with the other inconsistencies.

I will leave you to get on with your adopted persona. My prediction is you will swamp the forum with more of the same. You will not break any rules, but you may well slip up again in the detail, but most people probably won't notice. Hook line and sinker.

Good luck 

[Doc Holliday]

Doc, why don't you give OP a break. There are people who get accused and don't reply or get aggressive, because there no point arguing and derailing the threads. I've read both replies, yes it's slightly strange that the accounts are 2021, but i believe OP isn't a troll and just naive. If you have a problem report it to the mods and let them investigate, so there's no need for back and forth?

I will comment further on this. Historically it is rare for me to pick on newcomers, quite the opposite and my philosophy is that they should be encouraged not hounded. It is against that background that I have accused Hardman123

In 20 years I have never reported posts unless they contain personal information. I have weeded out many trolls though 

[Hardman123]

I'm a bit confused here? Like others I found and read your first report (although your review count shows as two?) which was indeed incredibly fluffy and says it was your first ever punt, in fact you said it was only the second woman you have had sex with? So for comparison purposes is this just your second punt? Therefore you only have the first one and sex with your ex for comparison? Or have I got that wrong?

Correct

[Hardman123]

I would agree. The 'timings' in relation to his first two posts and then the related detail within the subsequent review is odd?

I don’t understand the timings issue here

[Puntingutils]

You should practice what you preach if you have an issue with what anyone posts then you report it, it isn't up to you to pull others up about what their contributions. Doc made a statement to the OP, let him answer, it has nothing to do with you.

The mods are well aware of not only the OP but all other comments and if we thought there was anything being posted that was out of order we would say so.

Okay, I wasn't aware that making a suggesting to report someone , of which yourself that reporting is emphasised on this forum, constitutes being a 'wannabe mod'. I shall refrain from ever suggesting to someone.

Because I am unable to message you, could you reconcile a question for me, and perhaps your answer may help others understanding the rules about better aswell.

I have a trouble understanding when and when not a comment derails a subject matter. The last thing I want to do is make a comment that may derail a thread, because that is frowned upon.
So, can I ask why Doc's statements were warranted as they were derailing from the subject of the thread which is ' how to recover from a bad punt as a newbie', and also why he wasn't a 'wannabe mod' although he was pulling up the OP about his contributions & questing the validity of OP - a mod's role from my understanding? Thank you for your help in advance.

[daviemac]

Okay, I wasn't aware that making a suggesting to report someone , of which yourself that reporting is emphasised on this forum, constitutes being a 'wannabe mod'. I shall refrain from ever suggesting to someone.

Because I am unable to message you, could you reconcile a question for me, and perhaps your answer may help others understanding the rules about better aswell.

I have a trouble understanding when and when not a comment derails a subject matter. The last thing I want to do is make a comment that may derail a thread, because that is frowned upon.
So, can I ask why Doc's statements were warranted as they were derailing from the subject of the thread which is ' how to recover from a bad punt as a newbie', and also why he wasn't a 'wannabe mod' although he was pulling up the OP about his contributions & questing the validity of OP - a mod's role from my understanding? Thank you for your help in advance.

Doc asked the OP questions relating to his post as well as for clarity on several point he made in other posts, you told Doc to 'give the OP a break' IE to stop posting about the OP, that is the difference.

You should report whatever issues you have regarding any posts on this thread and they will be looked at by the mods.

[Doc Holliday]

Doc asked the OP questions relating to his post as well as for clarity on several point he made in other posts

Indeed

@puntingutils I wasn't intending to post again in this thread but as you seem to want to pursue accusing me of acting as a mod, I will reply.

May I suggest you read through the whole thread again and in particular my posts and the timing of them?

I asked Hardman this

I'm a bit confused here? Like others I found and read your first report (although your review count shows as two?) which was indeed incredibly fluffy and says it was your first ever punt, in fact you said it was only the second woman you have had sex with? So for comparison purposes is this just your second punt? Therefore you only have the first one and sex with your ex for comparison? Or have I got that wrong?

He ignored it.

Others picked up on his posts in the gifts thread and asked was he actually new to punting. He then admitted to bullshitting in the gifts thread.

I had raised what I perceived to be an issue with timings in his opening forum posts. He ignored it. I followed that up later asking him to comment again. He ignored it.

In my experience when someone avoids asking simple questions, but which are potentially problematic to answer, then it rings alarm bells. That is why I agreed with Davie's perception his posts sounded like trolling and in particular suggested he was 'sealioning'. All his posts since have strengthened my view that his forum persona of a 'naive new punter' is contrived. If you disagree that is fine.

All I have done is ask questions and formed an opinion based on the answers (or specifically the lack of them) Hope that clarifies

Bizarrely last night he finally partly responded to my original questions?

[Hardman123]

Indeed

@puntingutils I wasn't intending to post again in this thread but as you seem to want to pursue accusing me of acting as a mod, I will reply.

May I suggest you read through the whole thread again and in particular my posts and the timing of them?

I asked Hardman this

He ignored it.

Others picked up on his posts in the gifts thread and asked was he actually new to punting. He then admitted to bullshitting in the gifts thread.

I had raised what I perceived to be an issue with timings in his opening forum posts. He ignored it. I followed that up later asking him to comment again. He ignored it.

In my experience when someone avoids asking simple questions, but which are potentially problematic to answer, then it rings alarm bells. That is why I agreed with Davie's perception his posts sounded like trolling and in particular suggested he was 'sealioning'. All his posts since have strengthened my view that his forum persona of a 'naive new punter' is contrived. If you disagree that is fine.

All I have done is ask questions and formed an opinion based on the answers (or specifically the lack of them) Hope that clarifies

Bizarrely last night he finally partly responded to my original questions?

You should updated your linked in. Chief investigator of trolls on a forum. I followed up on your timings question which I missed. Now you’re backtracking as your strange online persona and conclusions are being challenged

[Hardman123]

Doc asked the OP questions relating to his post as well as for clarity on several point he made in other posts, you told Doc to 'give the OP a break' IE to stop posting about the OP, that is the difference.

You should report whatever issues you have regarding any posts on this thread and they will be looked at by the mods.

From this I conclude if the mod agrees with the sentiments of a question which details the post, it’s allowed.

[daviemac]

From this I conclude if the mod agrees with the sentiments of a question which details the post, it’s allowed.

You can conclude what you want, I have made no secret of the fact I happen to think you are a troll and so far you have done nothing to persuade me otherwise.

[pbrown355]

To me Hardman and this drawn out is becoming tiresome. I agree with Davie that he's a troll. I could stop reading it of course but then wha would I have to moan about?

[scutty brown]

I just find it difficult to view seriously anyone who calls himself "Hardman" on a public forum

Is he referring to his public persona? Or his sexual abilities? Or the density of his head?

[Hardman123]

I just find it difficult to view seriously anyone who calls himself "Hardman" on a public forum

Is he referring to his public persona? Or his sexual abilities? Or the density of his head?

The beauty of internet forums is you don’t have to take me seriously.

The username is actually a continuation of my username on multiple gaming platforms from when I was prepubescent. At the time I was trying to create a public persona, didn’t even think about sexual ability and the density of my head was still changing. True story. 

[Hardman123]

To me Hardman and this drawn out is becoming tiresome. I agree with Davie that he's a troll. I could stop reading it of course but then wha would I have to moan about?

To be honest it’s more interesting when people were questioning me. Once you’ve made your conclusions it’s a bit boring.

Just another thing to distract us all from the true goal. A good punt

[Cheshuk]

The beauty of internet forums is you don’t have to take me seriously.

Just another thing to distract us all from the true goal. A good punt

I don't know much about the types on forums as this is the first and probably only i'd use, so if those with experience think you're fake or a troll i'm not going to assume I know better.

I can tell theres something off about you, but not sure if its your just a bit like a Will from inbetweeners personality but harmless.

You seem to want to get into this. I gave you advice on your review, which you seem to be taking on outcalls. Can't speak for other forums, but here we spend money off the back of each other, so taking members seriously is critical. Friendly advice stop looking for arguments/winding people up and get on with it.