avoiding the bad punt...

[Palace123]

Having experienced a few bad bookings of late with girls who have agreed to things on their profiles, in texts and a now (seemingly an increasing trend) of even agreeing face to face but later back-tracking. As its so hard to get money bank once it's in their hands.. It got me thinking about my past experiences...the vast majority of good punts for me there's been no pressure or requirement to pay up front. That aside...I thought it might be beneficial for members to compile a complete list of tactics and approaches that would help reduce the likelihood of bad punts or more to the point..ones where they simply don't provide what they agree to....

here's some ideas, other tactics used would be really interesting..

1). I've never tried it but there's the 50/50 approach. Agree half up front and half afterwards. Probably won't fly for most girls...but it would rouse concern if they weren't interested. At least could push the not sure into a don't bother.
2). There's also the kissing approach..I know some guys ask for a kiss first to gauge the standard (whether paid or not).
3). There's also the land and expand approach.... "I'll take an hour...but let's start on 15/30 mins to see if we click". This seems to work but of course if they are great then runs the risk of only being allocated the 30 mins. If you prefer longer punts this does work out more expensive.
4). Flat out...not seeing low/no feedback people, and/or walking if they insist on the booking money up front.
5). Take the risk and accept its an occupational liability. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose..carry on regardless.
6). Insist on AW booking system for post feedback...can work but as we know...as soon as you leave neg feedback there they will do the same, often fabricating the situation so you come off worse.
7). Simply don't see low feedback/reviewed girls...we all know this is hard to resist when most WG's are not UK visitors so have low feedback and low feedbacks can turn negative. But for the iron-willed...safest option.
8). Agree a refund policy F2F...what happens if I pay for XXX and you don't want to provide this after I hand over money?
9). Agree all services face to face - this should be the norm but there is a new currency of agreement then avoidance. Still, helps expose bullshit.
10). Explain up front that you are a member of UKP and would love to give a positive review based on services provided today. I've done this before and it's actually worked out great...although some girls have no idea what it is.

interested to here other options...
 

[marc_hotsteppa]

Possibly the worst thread ever.

#10

[Liverpool]

Possibly the worst thread ever.

#10

Agreed.
#10 is essentially blackmailing for good reviews. Not good in any way, for the girl or for us who are seeing disingenuous reviews. The OP's reviews should all be seen and treated with caution.

Don't ever talk about UKP with an escort.

[daviemac]

here's some ideas, other tactics used would be really interesting..

1). I've never tried it but there's the 50/50 approach. Agree half up front and half afterwards. Probably won't fly for most girls...but it would rouse concern if they weren't interested. At least could push the not sure into a don't bother.
2). There's also the kissing approach..I know some guys ask for a kiss first to gauge the standard (whether paid or not).
3). There's also the land and expand approach.... "I'll take an hour...but let's start on 15/30 mins to see if we click". This seems to work but of course if they are great then runs the risk of only being allocated the 30 mins. If you prefer longer punts this does work out more expensive.
4). Flat out...not seeing low/no feedback people, and/or walking if they insist on the booking money up front.
5). Take the risk and accept its an occupational liability. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose..carry on regardless.
6). Insist on AW booking system for post feedback...can work but as we know...as soon as you leave neg feedback there they will do the same, often fabricating the situation so you come off worse.
7). Simply don't see low feedback/reviewed girls...we all know this is hard to resist when most WG's are not UK visitors so have low feedback and low feedbacks can turn negative. But for the iron-willed...safest option.
8). Agree a refund policy F2F...what happens if I pay for XXX and you don't want to provide this after I hand over money?
9). Agree all services face to face - this should be the norm but there is a new currency of agreement then avoidance. Still, helps expose bullshit.
10). Explain up front that you are a member of UKP and would love to give a positive review based on services provided today. I've done this before and it's actually worked out great...although some girls have no idea what it is.

interested to here other options...

WTF have I just read, FFS you advocate KT's kiss test ????

#10 is against the whole ethos of this site, we are not here to be used as a tool to blackmail escorts with the threat of reviews, any review on here has to be a true reflection of the standard of service provided to anyone who turns up. Threatening escorts with a negative review or promising a positive to gain extra services renders the review worthless.

I presume Helena Brasil was one who hadn't heard of UKP so she couldn't be blackmailed.   

[Palace123]

Agreed.
#10 is essentially blackmailing for good reviews. Not good in any way.

Don't ever talk about UKP with an escort.

Not sure how you would see that as blackmail?  You are making this clear from the beginning so there is absolutely no surprises to her. This is a legal and valid forum for feedback. And is it not true...that clients want to give positive reviews?  The girl has every right to say she does not want to provide the service on offer or even take the booking. If anything, it is giving her the choice not blackmail. AW works the same way..it's a review based system, if I book on AW is that also blackmail?

No, I did not say to Helena Brasil that I was a member of this forum. But, I was also not aware that forum membership must be kept anonymous.

[daviemac]

Not sure how you would see that as blackmail?  You are making this clear from the beginning so there is absolutely no surprises to her. This is a legal and valid forum for feedback. And is it not true...that clients want to give positive reviews?  The girl has every right to say she does not want to provide the service on offer or even take the booking. If anything, it is giving her the choice not blackmail. AW works the same way..it's a review based system, if I book on AW is that also blackmail?

No, I did not say to Helena Brasil that I was a member of this forum. But, I was also not aware that forum membership must be kept anonymous.

It is blackmail, there is no other word for it and using UKP as a lever to gain favour with escorts gets you banned, I'm just considering the length.

[Colston36]

Having experienced a few bad bookings of late with girls who have agreed to things on their profiles, in texts and a now (seemingly an increasing trend) of even agreeing face to face but later back-tracking. As its so hard to get money bank once it's in their hands.. It got me thinking about my past experiences...the vast majority of good punts for me there's been no pressure or requirement to pay up front. That aside...I thought it might be beneficial for members to compile a complete list of tactics and approaches that would help reduce the likelihood of bad punts or more to the point..ones where they simply don't provide what they agree to....

here's some ideas, other tactics used would be really interesting..

1). I've never tried it but there's the 50/50 approach. Agree half up front and half afterwards. Probably won't fly for most girls...but it would rouse concern if they weren't interested. At least could push the not sure into a don't bother.
2). There's also the kissing approach..I know some guys ask for a kiss first to gauge the standard (whether paid or not).
3). There's also the land and expand approach.... "I'll take an hour...but let's start on 15/30 mins to see if we click". This seems to work but of course if they are great then runs the risk of only being allocated the 30 mins. If you prefer longer punts this does work out more expensive.
4). Flat out...not seeing low/no feedback people, and/or walking if they insist on the booking money up front.
5). Take the risk and accept its an occupational liability. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose..carry on regardless.
6). Insist on AW booking system for post feedback...can work but as we know...as soon as you leave neg feedback there they will do the same, often fabricating the situation so you come off worse.
7). Simply don't see low feedback/reviewed girls...we all know this is hard to resist when most WG's are not UK visitors so have low feedback and low feedbacks can turn negative. But for the iron-willed...safest option.
8). Agree a refund policy F2F...what happens if I pay for XXX and you don't want to provide this after I hand over money?
9). Agree all services face to face - this should be the norm but there is a new currency of agreement then avoidance. Still, helps expose bullshit.
10). Explain up front that you are a member of UKP and would love to give a positive review based on services provided today. I've done this before and it's actually worked out great...although some girls have no idea what it is.

interested to here other options...

😒
Besides being unable to spell tricky words like "hear", and writing needlessly complicated rubbish you seem to have found the most long-winded, expensive, worst possible approach to finding pussy I've ever come across.

The solution lies in the military rule: "Time spent in reconnaissance is seldom wasted."

Spend time reading reviews on here. I mean plenty of time. Hours. Those hours will be a good investment.

Only see women who have plenty of good reviews - at the very least 20 - and check what they seem to do well. Is it what you dream of? Don't settle for less.

Beware of those who are not on adultwork.

Write to the three you like and say exactly what you want, when you want to visit.

Be patient. The best are often busy.

By doing this I have enjoyed my time with girls every week barring during Covid or when travelling, for 8 years.

And I have never paid more than £200 an hour except with two famous German dominatrixes who were well worth it.

Nothing is certain - for the first time I can remember I saw a silly bitch who used her imagination the other day and guessed wrongly what I would like.

But that advice works for me, will for you - and this is the right place to find the advice you want - though there are a few clowns on here who mistake insult for wit. ignore them.

And the good news is that even if you are illiterate, so are most of the ladies.

[hairdownthere]

Having experienced a few bad bookings of late with girls who have agreed to things on their profiles, in texts and a now (seemingly an increasing trend) of even agreeing face to face but later back-tracking. As its so hard to get money bank once it's in their hands.. It got me thinking about my past experiences...the vast majority of good punts for me there's been no pressure or requirement to pay up front. That aside...I thought it might be beneficial for members to compile a complete list of tactics and approaches that would help reduce the likelihood of bad punts or more to the point..ones where they simply don't provide what they agree to....

here's some ideas, other tactics used would be really interesting..

1). I've never tried it but there's the 50/50 approach. Agree half up front and half afterwards. Probably won't fly for most girls...but it would rouse concern if they weren't interested. At least could push the not sure into a don't bother.
2). There's also the kissing approach..I know some guys ask for a kiss first to gauge the standard (whether paid or not).
3). There's also the land and expand approach.... "I'll take an hour...but let's start on 15/30 mins to see if we click". This seems to work but of course if they are great then runs the risk of only being allocated the 30 mins. If you prefer longer punts this does work out more expensive.
4). Flat out...not seeing low/no feedback people, and/or walking if they insist on the booking money up front.
5). Take the risk and accept its an occupational liability. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose..carry on regardless.
6). Insist on AW booking system for post feedback...can work but as we know...as soon as you leave neg feedback there they will do the same, often fabricating the situation so you come off worse.
7). Simply don't see low feedback/reviewed girls...we all know this is hard to resist when most WG's are not UK visitors so have low feedback and low feedbacks can turn negative. But for the iron-willed...safest option.
8). Agree a refund policy F2F...what happens if I pay for XXX and you don't want to provide this after I hand over money?
9). Agree all services face to face - this should be the norm but there is a new currency of agreement then avoidance. Still, helps expose bullshit.
10). Explain up front that you are a member of UKP and would love to give a positive review based on services provided today. I've done this before and it's actually worked out great...although some girls have no idea what it is.

interested to here other options...

WTF

[finn5555]

#10 WTF 🤬
People like you give fuel to the UKP haters 

[Palace123]

#10 WTF 🤬
People like you give fuel to the UKP haters 

if there is strong feeling on this then maybe best not to mention and let them guess instead. I know that if I was an escort, I would rather know up front than receive a negative review after when it was too late.

I mentioned this once and that is when the girl brought up the subject of a negative review she received. I said I'm not adverse to leaving positive reviews if they are deserved...which for me is the truth. Same applies the other way. At the end of the day...the girl wants to have good time and make her money and so does the client. If this is not the case then there's a problem.

[big-al93]

Follow the OP's methods if you want to come across as a boundary pushing timewater!!  What a load of shite (IMHO)

1. Glad you haven't tried this OP, why any SP who expects paid upfront would agree to this baffles me??
2. DM had this one covered
3. Don't be a dick! By all means have a short(er) booking with a new escort, but simply book the shorter time, no teasing boundary pushing "if you do a good job I'll stay longer" bullshit.
4. Up to each person to decide whether to take a chance with new/ unreviewed escorts, that part is fair enough. Walking if they want the money upfront though? Very sketchy imo
5. This one is fine, and the most useful piece of "advice" from the OP
6. Pointless, unless the escort marks the booking completed, all you can do is leave feedback only.
7. Is this not just #4 with the walk if they want paid upfront removed.
8. A refund policy!  Next you'll be telling us you want a refund for the last 10 mins because you came early.
9. Yes, let the SP know in comms what you are looking for and confirm again face to face before handing over the funds, this is especially important if you believe there may be a maid/call handler involved.
10. Are you looking for a ban? Already covered so I'll say no more.

[big-al93]

if there is strong feeling on this then maybe best not to mention and let them guess instead. I know that if I was an escort, I would rather know up front than receive a negative review after when it was too late.

The whole point is that it should be a review of how anyone will be treated. This isn't facebook/insta/tiktok/ ect. where people get free shit for reviews. Using your membership to get a better service means that none of your reviews can be viewed as impartial.

[daviemac]

if there is strong feeling on this then maybe best not to mention and let them guess instead. I know that if I was an escort, I would rather know up front than receive a negative review after when it was too late.

You really can't be that stupid,    UKP is here for the benefit on punters and if an escort is giving bad service then members posting negative reviews warns others of the fact. Blackmailing them then posting a positive review gives a wrong impression.

If the escort wants to make good money then she needs to provide a good service to anyone who walks through the door, not just to those who promise her a good review.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Possibly the worst thread ever.

#10

It is right up there!

[Palace123]

just for the purpose of clarity...I've never intentionally posted a misleading review here and categorically never would. I would also never advocate anyone ever doing that under any circumstances whatsoever. I believe in the benefits of this platform and that negative reviews go a long way to protecting the interests of customers and or insuring better fit on needs, I've tried to provide value on this basis. Often the reviews I've left have been similar to others.

For further clarity, I have not greeted any girl with a kiss and would not personally make that my own policy. But it is true that some guys do that (and so do some girls). There's a range of things there which are not all to everyone's tastes.

[RedKettle]

Having experienced a few bad bookings of late with girls who have agreed to things on their profiles, in texts and a now (seemingly an increasing trend) of even agreeing face to face but later back-tracking.

1). I've never tried it but there's the 50/50 approach. Agree half up front and half afterwards. Probably won't fly for most girls...but it would rouse concern if they weren't interested. At least could push the not sure into a don't bother.

Having read your "advice" I wonder if the reason you are having bad bookings is to do with the way you are coming across and what you are saying.  Perhaps try and treat the women like decent people with some respect.

Just on your point number 1 I think this is a terrible idea - she will suspect you are trying to get away with paying only half the fee and how do you agree what criteria to judge success on?  You having a great time is subjective and leaves her entirely at your judgement over 50% of the fee.

If you are going contingent then the overall fee would usually be far higher than the standard fee - I am talking in general business life rather than punting - so there is an incentive.  So if the standard is say £120 you might say £60 up front and £100 at the end.  But as I say a crap idea.

If you really wanted to go down that route you might be better to pay the agreed fee up front and then volunteer that you will pay her an extra amount at the end if all services delivered and you have a great time.  (I personally would not recommend that.)

[daviemac]

just for the purpose of clarity...I've never intentionally posted a misleading review here and categorically never would. I would also never advocate anyone ever doing that under any circumstances whatsoever. I believe in the benefits of this platform and that negative reviews go a long way to protecting the interests of customers and or insuring better fit on needs, I've tried to provide value on this basis. Often the reviews I've left have been similar to others.

For further clarity, I have not greeted any girl with a kiss and would not personally make that my own policy. But it is true that some guys do that (and so do some girls). There's a range of things there which are not all to everyone's tastes.

You are continually showing you have no understanding of the concept that blackmailing escorts into giving a better service than they normally would and posting a positive review on the strength of that gives other members a false impression and if they visit on the back of your review but don't mention UKP they will end up very disappointed.

[hendrix]

Holy shit.

I'll just say that it's called "punting" for a reason, and point number 5 covers that.

[Palace123]

Having read your "advice" I wonder if the reason you are having bad bookings is to do with the way you are coming across and what you are saying.  Perhaps try and treat the women like decent people with some respect.

Just on your point number 1 I think this is a terrible idea - she will suspect you are trying to get away with paying only half the fee and how do you agree what criteria to judge success on?  You having a great time is subjective and leaves her entirely at your judgement over 50% of the fee.

If you are going contingent then the overall fee would usually be far higher than the standard fee - I am talking in general business life rather than punting - so there is an incentive.  So if the standard is say £120 you might say £60 up front and £100 at the end.  But as I say a crap idea.

If you really wanted to go down that route you might be better to pay the agreed fee up front and then volunteer that you will pay her an extra amount at the end if all services delivered and you have a great time.  (I personally would not recommend that.)

Hi Red, I've not tried it. Maybe others do this. I don't know. Everyone seems to have their own take on how they deal with first time meets. For example, there are some that simply won't see anyone who asks for it up front, maybe they have their own reasons for this as they've been subjected to problems.

The concept of extended bookings is quite common, again maybe not to everyones tastes. I've not normally made it overtly clear that I'll probably want to extend the booking from the start....I usually just do so if it's good. But I can understand the thinking behind having this conversation up front, not least because she might not be able to accommodate this.

[Jonestown]

Holy shit.

I'll just say that it's called "punting" for a reason, and point number 5 covers that.

+1

If you have a bad meet, move on, don’t go back, and post an honest review.

[scutty brown]

can we rename him: "Son of Tarzan"?

[Munter84]

A fair bit of attempting to reinvent the wheel going on in the OP post.

Do your due diligince before the punt by reading reviews, trust your gut making your way there and when first meeting the SP, confirm the price and services up front and before cash changes hands, make the call to stay or leave, and be prepared to chalk a bad punt up to experience. That's really all you can do and in 90%+ of scenarios should be sufficient. And then share your experience, good or bad, here for the benefit of others.

Proposing all these caveats, tests, part payment, time flexibility etc will absolutely NOT inspire the SP to give you better service. In fact she'll probably decide you're a timewaster at best, or a scammer or nutter at worst. You don't know what mental health issues or previous bad experiences the SP may have, you don't know if her boyfriend or pimp is just outside the bedroom door, so why introduce friction or aggravation into the situation? All just to squeeze a little more perceived VFM from the situation, or to reassure yourself that your rights as a buyer are superior to her rights as a seller? Make life easier for yourself and always act like a gentleman, even though you may not be dealing with a lady 

[Lou2019]

Jesus Christ where do I start unpicking this post

I don’t think I’m actually gonna bother all I’ll say is good luck and get used to being told to fuck off and kicked out the door if you decide to put any of that nonsense into practice.

[daviemac]

Hi Red, I've not tried it. Maybe others do this. I don't know. Everyone seems to have their own take on how they deal with first time meets. For example, there are some that simply won't see anyone who asks for it up front, maybe they have their own reasons for this as they've been subjected to problems.

The concept of extended bookings is quite common, again maybe not to everyones tastes. I've not normally made it overtly clear that I'll probably want to extend the booking from the start....I usually just do so if it's good. But I can understand the thinking behind having this conversation up front, not least because she might not be able to accommodate this.

You've backtracked on quite a few of your points but the main one you are ignoring is #10 the blackmailing SPs to gain favours and this is something we have to show is totally unacceptable.

[signy]

This sounds like the output of one of those abusive "pickup" sites/books/lectures as applied to punting.

Never forget that you are dealing with another human being, not a product. Be nice, be polite and don't start off being confrontational, and your chances of getting a good service will improve markedly.

If you then have a bad punt, write a negative review knowing that you can stick your flag firmly in the moral high ground. Move on.

[Lou2019]

can we rename him: "Son of Tarzan"?

Quite, a lot of that post sounded very familiar

[marc_hotsteppa]

Never fails to amaze me the amount of sheer stupidity and doubling down on it was equally as stupid too.

There are some dangerous people in this world and thankfully it looks like we've just got rid of one from this site.

The real worry is though if he carries on with his 'ideals' posted above 

[Chazz]

Having read your "advice" I wonder if the reason you are having bad bookings is to do with the way you are coming across and what you are saying.  Perhaps try and treat the women like decent people with some respect.

+1000

What you project is reflected back at you.

[JontyR]

Never fails to amaze me the amount of sheer stupidity and doubling down on it was equally as stupid too.

There are some dangerous people in this world and thankfully it looks like we've just got rid of one from this site.

The real worry is though if he carries on with his 'ideals' posted above 

I've never followed with some of the narratives that are sometimes projected about paid sex. But if this is the kind of thing that is out there then you can see where the mantra about power, coercion and exploitation comes from

[markballoon]

I think the poster may be George Mac in disguise.

[Hornydevil666]

God sake you do really get them sometimes, don't you.😲

[Munter84]

Having read through this guy's reviews, expecially the many negatives, it seems he has a long history of arguing with WGs and pimps. If he was still on the board I would have suggested he stick to independent WGs with good English to avoid the pitfalls he keeps repeatedly walking into, and getting upset and indignant each time. Some people just don't learn...

[gbyld87]

Having read through this guy's reviews, expecially the many negatives, it seems he has a long history of arguing with WGs and pimps. If he was still on the board I would have suggested he stick to independent WGs with good English to avoid the pitfalls he keeps repeatedly walking into, and getting upset and indignant each time. Some people just don't learn...

i'm convinced a lot of the serial-negative posters suffer shit service because they're shit customers.  Nobody will consider themselves one of course.

[big-al93]

I think the poster may be George Mac in disguise.

Do you mean George McCoy? If not maybe give us a clue who George Mac might be please.

[Crockers]

Yeah, seems to suffer with anger management, an inability to form a connection with other people and I reckon probs has the same probs in his civvy life.

I've never been refused DFK/LFK for almost three years now, whether escorts or SA girls.

Just have to get on with the girls.

[big-al93]

Do you mean George Muppet? If not maybe give us a clue who George Mac might be please.

I didn't realise that was on auto censor, so I'll assume that's who you meant.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Jesus H.
What did I just read?
I must be doing it wrong.
In spite of that I've probably only had two punts I've regretted in seven years.

[MissWolf]

Well holy fuckity fuck 

[mr.bluesky]

Do you mean George Muppet? If not maybe give us a clue who George Mac might be please.

George Mc***  who used to produce the massage parlour guide book which also includes independent service providers. I used to see a regular in Birmingham who once had a visit from him, she said he wanted a free shag in return for putting her in his next book  with a good review . Needless to say she told him to stick his book where the sun doesn't shine 

[big-al93]

Aye, another boundary pushing scumbag imho.

[superchamp]

There's some irony to his avatar saying "it's as easy as 1, 2, 3".

[scutty brown]

George Mc***  who used to produce the massage parlour guide book which also includes independent service providers. I used to see a regular in Birmingham who once had a visit from him, she said he wanted a free shag in return for putting her in his next book  with a good review . Needless to say she told him to stick his book where the sun doesn't shine 

That's been reported several times over the years, old UKE had a thread about it

[akauya]

I'm late to the party but bloody hell what a twat. He was a member since 2018 too, didn't he learn anything in all this time?

Thing is judging by his doubling down he probably still thinks he's right.

[Stevelondon]

To be honest I can't recall a time when a SP has asked me if I am a member of a review site and its certainly not something I am going to mention (up front or at any time in the meet)
Yes I have had the odd occassion when a SP has asked me to place a booking through AW so feedback can be left.

I think I may have written one or two daft posts. Usually under the influnce of drink your honour.
I did read the OP thinking (before I read any of the following responses).......I wonder if your heading for a ban mate. 

[whiskeygogo]

I'm late to the party but bloody hell what a twat. He was a member since 2018 too, didn't he learn anything in all this time?

He didn't seem to learn absolutely anything from his punts either, making the same mistakes over and over again. It seems he approached everyone, whether they were inexperienced or spoke no English whatsoever, with a set list of services that he required from them, with absolutely no charm at all, and then was disappointed/angry when he didn't get exactly what he wanted.