The Phoenix Club - Angel / Bruna / Gabbie / Luiza - Little Venice

[Coolrunner]

It pains me to leave a negative review for such a long standing establishment which certainly has been incredible in the past, and maybe still is if you're lucky enough to pick the right session. Anyway, this is reflective of my most recent visit last week, which was the first since before Covid started.

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Price: £160
Time: 4pm - 6pm on Thursday

This session started with a massive downer. On arriving into the kitchen and only seeing 3 girls instead of 4, my worst fear was confirmed, Luiza was feeling unwell and didn't attend. To be honest, Luiza was the main reason I was going, because when I've seen her before she's been amazing. I think that just flicked a psychological switch for me that made it difficult to get into the session throughout. I believe there were 7 guys in attendance, which breaks the 2:1 ratio rule, but I guess it was impossible for them to call in another girl at such short notice.

Here's a quick summary of my opinion of the 3 girls in attendance:

Gabbie: There have been some really strong reviews on here for Gabbie, but I didn't find her particularly attractive or good in terms of service. She was tiny, as others have said, but for me she was too small and skinny, and lacked curvature in the right places. Also, she didn't seem all that into the party. There was no OWO, no kissing, and she moved away when I tried to touch her pussy gently from behind while she was sucking on another punter's cock. I gave her reverse oral at one point and she terminated the proceedings just when I was getting into it. Maybe she was having an off-day but I don't think it was just me. She seemed the same with the others too.

Bruna: I found Bruna the most attractive of the 3, but certainly no stunner. She was less chubby than others have suggested, with pale skin, a few tattoos, nice pussy and tits and an average face. Again though, it was the attitude that turned me off the most. Again, no OWO and no kissing. I appreciate it's entirely the girl's choice whether she allows those things, but I found it unusual that Bruna started giving me OWO until I was hard, and then proceeded to rubber me up before continuing. Her oral was decent, although with Bruna and Gabbie, both were overly eager to move on to penetration, and one thing I've always liked about TPC in the past is the lengthy BJ sessions. As with Gabbie, when I gave Bruna reverse oral, she ended it after just a minute or so. I'm honestly not sure what the problem was as generally girls enjoy me giving them oral. Maybe they were tired from the previous session or something.

Angel: Without a doubt Angel provided the best service of the 3, but I didn't find her attractive, so it still didn't save the day for me I'm afraid. She was the only girl to give OWO, and it was good to begin with, but became mechanical after a while. She absolutely snogged everyone's faces off, which was a definite positive, and she seemed to be the only girl getting into any kind of party attitude.

The session
I started off with Bruna, and despite the bad news about Luiza not attending, I was able to get rock hard pretty quickly due to having a couple of days build-up. We started with oral, after much faffing around because she needed the toilet. After a couple of minutes of covered oral she got on top for some mediocre cowgirl, then we switched around and went into missionary. There were a couple of other guys watching, and I'd hopped that they'd join in the action so we could make it a threesome. Bruna encouraged this in fairness, but they seemed more happy with just watching. I came in the bag after a couple of minutes of thrusting. I was hoping to unload on someone's face but I'd pretty much figured out already that that kind of stuff wasn't going to be happening at this party.

Beyond my first pop, I just couldn't seem to get hard, or once I'd got myself hard I'd start with one of the girls and after a couple of minutes it would go soft. I don't usually have these problems, or if I do then a 10 minute rest usually sorts me out through a couple of pops at least. It was partly the disappointment of Luiza not being there, partly the fact that I didn't find the girls attractive or attentive, and partly because the surroundings and setup made the whole thing feel awkward. While I was unable to play (giving the girls oral wasn't really an option because none of them except Angel wanted it), the only thing I could do was sit on one of the chairs that were placed in the corner of each bedroom, like some naughty school child. I had a wander around at times but there was only really the small hallway with a snack table, and it felt awkward to just stand there too. So for most of the 2 hours I just sat there watching the lacklustre action and trying to make myself hard, usually unsuccessfully, I managed to get a semi-hard cock inside both Gabbie and Angel, but like I said, it went limp before reaching any conclusion, which just added to my mental block on arousal. Added to this, with the lack of OWO and kissing in general, the whole faffing around with condoms and lube before any action could start just killed it for me.

In hindsight I should have probably walked a lot sooner, but I stayed until 1 hour 45 minutes, and at that point I think pretty much every guy was making their way out of there. Miraculously I managed a second pop at the end by wanking myself while Gabbie licked my balls (this was the best service I managed to get out of Gabbie), leading me too cum on my own stomach.

Like I say, it does pain me to leave such a negative review for TPC but I've got to be honest. I have some incredible memories of the old Lady Marmalade days with 7 attractive and enthusiastic girls at each party (10 on special event days!), and it just wasn't a patch on that. I remember proper threesomes and moresomes, where if a girl wasn't engaged in activities she'd come over and snog you or sit on your face while another girl was riding you, or one girl would lick your balls while the other gave you OWO. The girls just didn't want to do that at this party. The closest thing was Bruna stroking my skin with her fingernails while I was being sucked by Angel, but I'd hardly call that a threesome. Maybe I was just unlucky but if last week's party was representative of most then it's lost its party vibe which has been replaced with awkwardness.

Keen to hear the opinions of other TPC/LMP veterans on this.

[Coolrunner]

…just a quick update. On checking the TPC website this morning it appears that Luiza is no longer on the roster. Sad times  I hope she’s ok.

[randompunter1234]

I am glad you wrote the review I was meaning to write.

I was in attendance on the day and you verbalised my exact thoughts. It would have been a negative from me too.

I did knew beforehand that Luiza was not there, but i still attended as its been a few months since I was there.

I almost always attend with Luiza and different other girls as I know that I m guaranteed some good action.

In my case, the bad vibes started from my earlier enquiry, when Em went on a rant .

I still attended party due to Angel who is pretty good, Bruna I knew is lazy and just a space filler.

Saw Gabbie for first time, found her under-nourished and too skinny ,  she seemed at least 10kg less than in the pictures. Some may find that look attractive of course but not for me. And totally uninterested in the proceedings.

I left good 40 minutes before.

On reflection, for this setup , its very important that there is least 1 good provider in a 3 girl or 2 in a 4 girl set up to keep up the vibe.

Happy to write a seperate detailed review (have reviewed plenty of these meets before), but OPs review is pretty identical to what I would have had to say

[AppleEgg]

I used to love these parties but that was when the venues were better and more appropriate and despite the ratios, there was always a great party atmosphere and the girls were keen to get everyone involved.  However, these parties have gone downhill and unless you pick days with one of the superstars, it just isnt good anymore.

Many of the new girls seems more interested rushing off to their phones or manoeuvring around so they aren’t engaged with the patrons and seldom do they encourage further participation if they are with someone.  Also the parties invariably seem to end 15-20 mins early as the girls are keen to get everyone out before time is up.

Gabbie is decent if you like the skinnier girls but her performance has changed from delivering OWO and DFK, she doesn’t do that anymore.  This is the same with Bruna and you are getting nothing more than a lazy ROM P&D experience.  Angel provided a decent service but isnt attractive nor does she have a good body.

The parties are in decline and in days gone by they were perhaps too cheap for what you got but increasingly they are looking poor value for money based on the service levels and girls (unless one ir more of the superstars are in attendance).

[Spurt]

Failure to refresh the squad and rely on one or 2 top performers is a strategy which leads to a slow almost imperceptible decline,but decline none the less.
Injuries to key personnel highlights the defenciecies.Hopefully some drastic remedial action is planned or the paying public will vote with their dicks.

[randompunter1234]

Failure to refresh the squad and rely on one or 2 top performers is a strategy which leads to a slow almost imperceptible decline,but decline none the less.
Injuries to key personnel highlights the defenciecies.Hopefully some drastic remedial action is planned or the paying public will vote with their dicks.

That may well be true but Em still managing to sell the tickets, the stadium is almost always sold out for most matches

[Coolrunner]

Seems I’m not the only one that thinks TPC has gone downhill. Thanks for the comments. Considering they still get positive reviews here I expect it’s possible to have a good time if you happen to be lucky, but I don’t have enough time or cash to be playing that sort of lottery so that’s me checking out from TPC.

[notcalledchris]

What is really needed is some competition. 

[Sullivan]

What is really needed is some competition.

Max of 8 people per party, 3 parties per day, 6 per week, 50 weeks per year.

That’s a maximum total revenue of £1.15m.

If she gets an average attendance of 6 per party, it’s £860k per year turnover. In cash.

I know she has to pay the girls and rent a flat, but there surely must be a route to serious money in there somewhere.

I don’t see why others aren’t doing the same thing.

[Munter84]

Max of 8 people per party, 3 parties per day, 6 per week, 50 weeks per year.

That’s a maximum total revenue of £1.15m.

If she gets an average attendance of 6 per party, it’s £860k per year turnover. In cash.

I know she has to pay the girls and rent a flat, but there surely must be a route to serious money in there somewhere.

I don’t see why others aren’t doing the same thing.

Plus the Aphrodite Massage offshoot, plus the 1-2-1 FS meets they seem to now be offering.

Whatever way you square it, enough money is changing hands for them to get serious about service.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Max of 8 people per party, 3 parties per day, 6 per week, 50 weeks per year.

That’s a maximum total revenue of £1.15m.

If she gets an average attendance of 6 per party, it’s £860k per year turnover. In cash.

I know she has to pay the girls and rent a flat, but there surely must be a route to serious money in there somewhere.

I don’t see why others aren’t doing the same thing.

She's definitely not getting on average 6 per party. From speaking with the girls it's more like 4 on average per party across the entire year. She's still raking in cash even after she pays each girl her £400 per day.

[Puntingutils]

I know she has to pay the girls and rent a flat, but there surely must be a route to serious money in there somewhere.

I don’t see why others aren’t doing the same thing.

This is the thing, turnover means nothing. It depends on the rate per girl per day. I find it hard to believe they would do anything below £150 per hour. I'm not sure how this is profitable unless they give a fixed rate of 500-700 and then it would be profitable if they get 24 dudes per day. Big assumptions however

[monkmarvey]

As a regular for 10 years now I have to agree the wow days of LMP and Lancaster Gate are now firmly in the past.
And TPC still gives me what I need when I need it.
The chance to play with 3 girls for 2 hours for £160.
I agree the girls attitude can be a bit hit and miss - less consistent than the old LMP girls - and so is the attitude of the punters. Rarely meet guys there who are true party animals, more interested in a series of 1:1s
Glad to have experienced the glory days - we were spoiled

[MysteryManNo.7]

This is the thing, turnover means nothing. It depends on the rate per girl per day. I find it hard to believe they would do anything below £150 per hour. I'm not sure how this is profitable unless they give a fixed rate of 500-700 and then it would be profitable if they get 24 dudes per day. Big assumptions however

The girls get £400 per day flat rate. Have been told this independently by multiple girls. Doesn't matter how many clients turn up.

[Puntingutils]

The girls get £400 per day flat rate. Have been told this independently by multiple girls. Doesn't matter how many clients turn up.

Ah yeah then it's profitable after 11 guys. Fair play, I guess it's the idea of constant cash factoring in London being heavily saturated. Always thought SP's could make more independently, instead of getting fucked by 6 dudes per hour for £66.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Ah yeah then it's profitable after 11 guys. Fair play, I guess it's the idea of constant cash factoring in London being heavily saturated. Always thought SP's could make more independently, instead of getting fucked by 6 dudes per hour for £66.

This is true however it's reliable money and a guaranteed £400 per day is a better deal to a lot of SPs over a possible but unlikely say £800 working as an indie at £200 per hour (which a lot of the girls at TPC do).

There's also quite a few past their prime SPs working there whom I think would struggle to make £400 per day as indies.

[randompunter1234]

The reality would be somewhere in between

It's certainly not turning over a million. And like most businesses, it would have its pitfalls and difficulties

And I cant imagine all SPs being on the same wages.

But as a customer/ punter that should be none on my concern.  All I care about is good service.

And despite its apparent recent fall in the quality.....  I have to admit it does offer a unique experience at a fair price point.

[Sullivan]

This is true however it's reliable money and a guaranteed £400 per day is a better deal to a lot of SPs over a possible but unlikely say £800 working as an indie at £200 per hour (which a lot of the girls at TPC do).

There's also quite a few past their prime SPs working there whom I think would struggle to make £400 per day as indies.

You also don’t have to provide premises. Do it for two days a week and that’s £800 cash in hand, if you choose not to pay tax. That’s the same as a £60-£70k annual salary, and no outgoings for them.

I presume a lot of them send money back to Brazil. It’s likely a good deal for the girls.

[Sullivan]

She's definitely not getting on average 6 per party. From speaking with the girls it's more like 4 on average per party across the entire year. She's still raking in cash even after she pays each girl her £400 per day.

I’ve been 5 or 6 times across the last three venues. This most recent time is when I’ve ever seen it at 4. When there were three girls, the lowest I’ve ever been was 5, but it was usually 6.

An average of 4 means you’re frequently getting 3 or even just one other guys there. If I could find out when that happens, I’d be there more often!

[randompunter1234]

I’ve been 5 or 6 times across the last three venues. This most recent time is when I’ve ever seen it at 4. When there were three girls, the lowest I’ve ever been was 5, but it was usually 6.

An average of 4 means you’re frequently getting 3 or even just one other guys there. If I could find out when that happens, I’d be there more often!

7pm is usually the quitest. Very rarely full, usually about 6, if the lineup is average, I'd reckon 4-5.

[trickdaddy]

I too attended a couple of weeks back after a long hiatus and the experience was unfortunately not worth the wait.

Only found one girl out of the 4 in attendance remotely attractive and they were just going through the motions, unlike the frenzied sex hungry superstars who we used to party with at LMP in their heyday.

Yes £160 for 2 hours is a great rate in theory, but when the action is that lacklustre and fails to provide the gratification I was seeking, I saw it as money down the drain. Which is a shame because I really did enjoy that LMP scene.

I hope they do improve and can make a stunning return to form but until then, I wont be returning.

[Coolrunner]

Speaking of alternatives I once attended a Greedy Girls Party in Sutton a few years ago (External Link/Members Only and had my first taste of DVP with a very hot SP. Since then their line up seems limited, mainly milfs which isn’t my preference.

Has anyone tried a Rebecca Ryder party? (External Link/Members Only)? They only seem to host one party day a month but when they do there are 14 girls at £160 for 2 hours across 3 sessions. Their website suggests up to 30 punters however so I imagine it’s probably difficult to get your dick anywhere near the hotter SPs.

[Sullivan]

My initial talk about money is probably a bit crass. I just wanted to say that there must be a decent business model in there if anyone else wanted to provide competition.

Maybe getting a roster of girls together, plus the reputation to get a willing stream of punters, each clutching £160 is tough. There are 144 slots to try to fill per week and that demand just might not exist in London.

To be honest, I love TPC. I think I have been 5 times over 18 months and have never once felt it was poor value. I have always had a session with each and every girl when I have been there. There’s always a star performer and a third on the list, but it’s great to have a bit of variety on the one day. And you come to realise how a great shift of effort can often mean so much more than looks.

There’s no doubt that the fewer the guys at a party, the better it is, but the fewer there are, the less likely we are to keep enjoying these parties.

Long may it last.

[puntmiester]

Also the parties invariably seem to end 15-20 mins early as the girls are keen to get everyone out before time is up.

well that's a shame. That didn't happen at the previous venue (Boston Manor*)

[puntmiester]

rely on one or 2 top performers is a strategy which leads to a slow almost imperceptible decline,but decline none the less.

I found that some of the girls that give the better service get frustrated at the lazier girls and thus their service starts to decline too.

It's like every other workplace - if the guy sitting next to you is doing half the work your are, it will effect your motivation.

[bedhedred]

The most recent one I attended was quite crap. One girl was hogged to the point where I could not get to fuck her. It has put me right off returning.

The bored look on some girl's faces. 🥱

[Spurt]

Noted on another report about finishing well before the 2 hour slot is up, which echo's my experience several weeks ago.Given the are you still here vibe whilst dressing with still ten minutes on the clock.
As a certain retailer might say every little helps.

[hugh3333]

Plus the Aphrodite Massage offshoot, plus the 1-2-1 FS meets they seem to now be offering.

Whatever way you square it, enough money is changing hands for them to get serious about service.

Can you tell me more about the 1-2-1 full service meets? Nothing on their website about this.

[Handel2020]

I guess the organiser reads the reviews and knows that the service was better in the past. Maybe she can't find the same supply of girls, or she just finds the current crop reliable and prefers to have the same lot regardless of how they perform. I say that as someone who attended LMP. I have been thinking of going to Phoenix parties but I am not sure it is worth it with the service as described.

[bedhedred]

Can you tell me more about the 1-2-1 full service meets? Nothing on their website about this.

It's near Welling, DA post code. Link here. About half of the girls appear at Phoenix
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=377576.0

[hugh3333]

It's near Welling, DA post code. Link here. About half of the girls appear at Phoenix
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=377576.0

Are we sure he's referring to the massage? He said:

'Plus the Aphrodite Massage offshoot, plus the 1-2-1 FS meets they seem to now be offering.'

plus the massage...plus the 1-2-1...so I assumed aside from the massage there was now a new 1-2-1 service available, which I can't find. Perhaps he can clear up this confusion.

[MysteryManNo.7]

There did used to be a 1-on-1 service but haven't seen it advertised since they changed venue.

Some of the girls do one on one meets via AW and there's a massive topic listing AW accounts for Phoenix Club girls though many are very out of date.

[Munter84]

Are we sure he's referring to the massage? He said:

'Plus the Aphrodite Massage offshoot, plus the 1-2-1 FS meets they seem to now be offering.'

plus the massage...plus the 1-2-1...so I assumed aside from the massage there was now a new 1-2-1 service available, which I can't find. Perhaps he can clear up this confusion.

I have no particular intel, just referring to what I've seen other posters mention here. I don't think it's an overtly advertised service.

[jono44]

Emma and the girls say that Aphrodite is massage and manual relief only. Strictly no sex. Await reviews.

[LLPunting]

Emma and the girls say that Aphrodite is massage and manual relief only. Strictly no sex. Await reviews.

Read the reviews already posted.

[FunTimesYesPlease]

The most recent one I attended was quite crap. One girl was hogged to the point where I could not get to fuck her. It has put me right off returning.

The bored look on some girl's faces. 🥱

This is the same experience I had at my most recent one really p*ssed me off.  It's really only the gig worth looking at if its been a while but I echo what is being said by most it has really gone downhill from what it was.  Maybe as there isn't any real competition there is no motivation to make it any better, like most things in this world it's about doing the bare minimum and netting the most cash.

[AppleEgg]

This is the same experience I had at my most recent one really p*ssed me off.  It's really only the gig worth looking at if its been a while but I echo what is being said by most it has really gone downhill from what it was.  Maybe as there isn't any real competition there is no motivation to make it any better, like most things in this world it's about doing the bare minimum and netting the most cash.

Back in the day, it was hard not to be involved as the girls who actively encourage you to join but nowadays, many of the new girls wont encourage anyone else to join if they’re with someone and usually will wonder off to their phones or disappear for extended periods

[bedhedred]

It's meant to be 2 on 1. In practice, I got shooed away after about 15 minutes, so that she could do 1 on 1 with another bloke; that was with a girl I get on well with. The last time I had a negative at Phoenix, I stayed away for months.

[Spurt]

Let's hope those in charge take heed and put the punter first.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Let's hope those in charge take heed and put the punter first.

Fat chance of that. Em has gone from being slightly unpleasant to ludicrously rude. She couldn't give a toss about the clients or girls just how much money she's making at the end of the day. I used to love TPC and attend regularly but I can't see myself returning for a very long time.

[bedhedred]

Fat chance of that. Em has gone from being slightly unpleasant to ludicrously rude. She couldn't give a toss about the clients or girls just how much money she's making at the end of the day. I used to love TPC and attend regularly but I can't see myself returning for a very long time.

+1

[Sullivan]

Fat chance of that. Em has gone from being slightly unpleasant to ludicrously rude. She couldn't give a toss about the clients or girls just how much money she's making at the end of the day. I used to love TPC and attend regularly but I can't see myself returning for a very long time.

I am sure she must read UKP and would take heed of what is said on here.

To be honest, when I’ve been there she has been as unobtrusive as possible. Usually goes to take the dog for a walk for 45 minutes or so and sits and reads when she comes back. She always says something like “sharing is caring” to encourage everyone to get stuck in.

I do think there has been a deterioration in service and maybe Em isn’t being rude enough with the girls, never mind the men. She should be making them give a better service, making them aware that they can’t let one man dominate them for 80 minutes, keeping them going until the end of the two hours etc.

As I’ve said above, I think the two days which most girls seem to work must pay very well when compared to other people in the sex industry who need to get somewhere to work from and then get 30 minutes here, an hour there, tying up their whole day, less vetting etc. I have spoken to some girls in the past who have kids and take the train in to London for the day to work it, before heading home that evening.

Anyway, when the lineup is next good after a payday, I’ll be right back. It’s much more rewarding for me and my £160 when compared to 2 30 min sessions 1 on 1 with an SP.

[randompunter1234]

I am sure she must read UKP and would take heed of what is said on here.

To be honest, when I’ve been there she has been as unobtrusive as possible. Usually goes to take the dog for a walk for 45 minutes or so and sits and reads when she comes back. She always says something like “sharing is caring” to encourage everyone to get stuck in.

I do think there has been a deterioration in service and maybe Em isn’t being rude enough with the girls, never mind the men. She should be making them give a better service, making them aware that they can’t let one man dominate them for 80 minutes, keeping them going until the end of the two hours etc.

As I’ve said above, I think the two days which most girls seem to work must pay very well when compared to other people in the sex industry who need to get somewhere to work from and then get 30 minutes here, an hour there, tying up their whole day, less vetting etc. I have spoken to some girls in the past who have kids and take the train in to London for the day to work it, before heading home that evening.

Anyway, when the lineup is next good after a payday, I’ll be right back. It’s much more rewarding for me and my £160 when compared to 2 30 min sessions 1 on 1 with an SP.

To be fair to Em, when she is about she does keep checking  in between.  Infact, what I have noticed is that when she is not there and out walking the dog, the standards drop ( at least on 3 separate occasions)

It may also be that her recent grumpiness is  due to business being slower than usual and she's struggling with some of her star players. I bet it was a full house after the covid restrictions ended and now things have tapered off.

In the end it does come down to the lineup,  Put in a good one in there like Luiza and its great value, given the price inflation everywhere

[MysteryManNo.7]

Em is the reason star girls like Luiza have walked and why she can't seem to attract and then maintain attractive women.

I have been surprised by the amount of very attractive WGs I've met who upon mention of TPC say that they used to work there back when it was known as Lady Marmalade's and each and every one of them told me their main reason for leaving was Em.

I've also spoken with a few punters who attend these parties, and have experienced it myself, and they all agree Em has become far worse as of late being very rude and short tempered. the last parties I've attended she has a habit of disappearing off for most of the party to a room of taking the dog for a walk and I'd say service improves when she isn't there.

[bedhedred]

Em is the reason star girls like Luiza have walked and why she can't seem to attract and then maintain attractive women.

I have been surprised by the amount of very attractive WGs I've met who upon mention of TPC say that they used to work there back when it was known as Lady Marmalade's and each and every one of them told me their main reason for leaving was Em.

I've also spoken with a few punters who attend these parties, and have experienced it myself, and they all agree Em has become far worse as of late being very rude and short tempered. the last parties I've attended she has a habit of disappearing off for most of the party to a room of taking the dog for a walk and I'd say service improves when she isn't there.

+1

[jono44]

Any news about how to contact Luiza direct???

[MysteryManNo.7]

Any news about how to contact Luiza direct???

Her AW is currently set to distribute content only so I think she's taking a break from escorting.