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Offline roadrunner69999

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Booked Francesca a month ago as confirmed she was happy with early booking and we had a mutual acquaintance in Harriet Appleby who was my first punt and worked with Francesca in the past. Kept eye on the site and could see she's updated her profile. When I checked she'd updated her profile to state she's on holiday for the week leading up to and including the date of our meet. I contacted her to see if this was an error as I'd not had any message.

She confirmed she's booked to go to Benidorm, no apology just a request for me to rebook. I explained I was there for 1 weekend only and that I was very disappointed as we'd booked weeks ago and I was looking forward to seeing her. Her profile pics look fantastic and I'd been wanting to book for some time.

Everyone deserves a holiday (especially service providers having to put up with us lot) but I was upset about not being told and having to chase this up. She since stated I'm "entitled" to want to know a booking is cancelled and has left negative feedback on my profile on AW. All this has left a sour taste. I genuinely hope she had a good time but I hope she doesn't do this to anyone else, feedback or lack of contact to cancel.

Real shame as I'd bet she's a cracker if you get to meet her.

Offline KeenPunter

I think any booking more than a week isn't taken seriously unless it is then followed up often.  TBF anything can happen in that period of time, her period, losing the incall place, getting a better offer etc.  I can see why you are dissapointed though, she should have not confirmed the booking and said check back later

Offline roadrunner69999

I'd have been fine if she's messaged to say she had an offer to go away. Fair enough but once its confirmed on site unless there's extenuating circumstances the booking should go through or the requestor should be contacted. Seems we're only ok when they wangt the cash. I'd like to think I'm a kind considerate punter but stuff like this makes you wonder why you bother.

Online RandomGuy99

A lot can happen in a month and usually I'd be checking a week before that the booking was still ok. She probably thought your booking was provisional and she would explain it was cancelled when you contacted her. Most SPs don't like to send texts to our phones just in case. She could have given you a heads up a few weeks before on AW to give you time to book someone else.

It's a shame that the two of you have fallen out.

I didn't realise she'd worked with Harriet. Thanks for that bit of info.

Offline roadrunner69999

Thats the real bad part for me. If she's just let me know and not kicked off when I has the temerity to ask why I'd not been contacted I'd book again. I still would if I thought it'd go ahead and she'd forget about this. Shame as I wanted her for a long time and I'm in north west a couple of times a year.

Offline KeenPunter

You've got to remember they probably deal with 30 genuine enquiries a day and 100 timewasters and they are not a restaurant so hey don't have a booking diary.  It won't be personnal, just you didn't reconfirm

Offline Bru1901

An established sp is clearly fucking you around

In hindsight she should have emailed which she didnt

To then leave negative feedback as opposed to offering an apology or discount is then the icing on the cake

Shes one to be avoided and probably does this regularly
 

Offline Cheshuk

If you want to bang a particular sp put your ego aside, i've turned up to bookings and had them say they forgot and didn't inform me. I politely said its fine and rescheduled. Most would blacklist her, but putting a neg on her profile in the heat of the moment will guarantee she won't see you in the future.

Maybe i'm jaded by unreliability that it doesn't bother me too much anymore. With the state of their organisation I personally don't assume it's going ahead unless they confirm the day of or at least day before.

Better luck on the next one

Online lewisjones23

If you want to bang a particular sp put your ego aside, i've turned up to bookings and had them say they forgot and didn't inform me. I politely said its fine and rescheduled. Most would blacklist her, but putting a neg on her profile in the heat of the moment will guarantee she won't see you in the future.

Maybe i'm jaded by unreliability that it doesn't bother me too much anymore. With the state of their organisation I personally don't assume it's going ahead unless they confirm the day of or at least day before.

Better luck on the next one

depends on the situation.

when Liberty/Rebecca was still working she was just as unreliable as she was fit and a great punt, I had to take it on the chin a few times off her without speaking up

now though, if I get fucked about from a WG I havent seen before then I leave a red asap and just burn the number off the ‘ Text Me ‘ app, takes seconds to get a new one for free

I tried to make a punt last week and it took the WG 48 hours to respond to a text, it hardly filled me with confidence so I left it and didnt confirm

Offline Cheshuk


if I get fucked about from a WG I havent seen before then I leave a red asap and just burn the number off the ‘ Text Me ‘ app, takes seconds to get a new one for free


Im using Hushed atm but not so sure if my numbers fixed so been protecting it from bad reports, does 'text me' just let you switch?

Online lewisjones23

Im using Hushed atm but not so sure if my numbers fixed so been protecting it from bad reports, does 'text me' just let you switch?

yes and all for free, 1 new number per 24 hours - simple to do as well

works on a credit system but the way round it is to just send your number 50 text messages which credit 1 for each message received, never need to ever pay for anything then

the numbers do automatically burn/delete if you dont use them, I just send myself a message once a week so it remains active and assigned to me

Online OakTree

That’s why I just book them on the day. Preferably within two hours of when I want to see them.

The longer the time span between booking and meet, the more likelihood of fuck ups.

Offline Cheshuk

yes and all for free, 1 new number per 24 hours - simple to do as well

works on a credit system but the way round it is to just send your number 50 text messages which credit 1 for each message received, never need to ever pay for anything then

the numbers do automatically burn/delete if you dont use them, I just send myself a message once a week so it remains active and assigned to me

I'll set that up tomorrow, great intel.. Thank you

Online lewisjones23

That’s why I just book them on the day. Preferably within two hours of when I want to see them.

The longer the time span between booking and meet, the more likelihood of fuck ups.

I do prefer bookings OTD, less chance of a pesky ‘ landlord ‘ turning up or a ‘ family emergency ‘

unlucky bunch of people these prossies, never known a group to have such bad luck in my life

Online Southernbloke

That’s why I just book them on the day. Preferably within two hours of when I want to see them.

The longer the time span between booking and meet, the more likelihood of fuck ups.

Very good advice.
Generally speaking that’s why I prefer parlours for a OTD punt

Offline Blackpool Rock

An established sp is clearly fucking you around

In hindsight she should have emailed which she didnt

To then leave negative feedback as opposed to offering an apology or discount is then the icing on the cake

Shes one to be avoided and probably does this regularly
Agreed, on the face of it it appears that a booking has been made and the OP has actually done an AW booking which may or may not have been at her request but presumably to make sure the punter was legit  :unknown:

I'll agree that things can and do change so she may not have known about the holiday at the point of booking and then slipped her mind not to contact the punter.

OK most of us can still run with these oversights and also being let down so long as we know before the day etc

The main issue here is that when the OP contacted her she appears to have thrown a strop and given him bad AW feedback like it's all his fault  :dash:

She sounds like an entitled princess so my advice is move on however given her actions i'm wondering whether the OP is able to do a real review on here  :unknown:

I am also surprised at how many punters are defending her actions and looking for a multitude of reasons why this isn't her fault, it certainly doesn't appear to the the OP's fault  :unknown:

Offline Cheshuk


she appears to have thrown a strop and given him bad AW feedback like it's all his fault  :dash:


Looking at the times of negative aw feedback, it appears op left her negative feedback first and she retaliated. Personally it seems badly handled by both parties

Offline BaldEagle

Looking at the times of negative aw feedback, it appears op left her negative feedback first and she retaliated. Personally it seems badly handled by both parties

It's a fair point. Whenever I look at negative AW feedback from a punter there's neatly always a negative riposte from the SP. Given the credibility gap with AW feedback anyway it would probably have been better to do nothing on there. What I think the OP  should do is convert his original post to a review on here as there was a confirmed booking. That will affect Francesca's review score and warn others she's not quite as elite as she clearly thinks she is.

Online RandomGuy99

Personally it seems badly handled by both parties
+1

Getting into leaving negative feedback and then leaving a negative on here both have the potential to negatively impact the SP's business.

It could have been handled differently with none of this damage occurring.

I once had a situation like this arise where I had made a booking and the SP had forgotten she had a holiday planned on that date. She later contacted me when she remembered.  I think she expected me to throw a strop,  but I didn't.  I just rescheduled to an earlier date as I was flexible on dates.  The OP clearly wasn't flexible on dates and could just have said to the SP "You appear to be on holiday on the date of my booking. Is this correct?". If she said yes, then the OP could have just cancelled the booking and booked someone else and then booked to see the SP on another date.  Now that opportunity has been lost.

According to the feedback left by the OP and SS there was a week's notice of her being unavailable on the original date. It could all have been handled differently without all this drama and negative impact on both parties' reputations.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2023, 11:30:29 am by RandomGuy99 »

Offline Blackpool Rock

Looking at the times of negative aw feedback, it appears op left her negative feedback first and she retaliated. Personally it seems badly handled by both parties
Yes, another good reason not to leave AW feedback but I agree this has possibly been badly handled and reacted / counter reacted to by both of them

She should have told him that she would no longer be available however in fairness we don't know exactly how the conversation went between the pair of them

Offline Cheshuk

yes and all for free, 1 new number per 24 hours - simple to do as well

works on a credit system but the way round it is to just send your number 50 text messages which credit 1 for each message received, never need to ever pay for anything then

the numbers do automatically burn/delete if you dont use them, I just send myself a message once a week so it remains active and assigned to me

I've downloaded this app, does it make you watch an advert every time you open it?

Online lewisjones23

I've downloaded this app, does it make you watch an advert every time you open it?

not sure in all honesty

easy to shut the app and open again though

Offline Bru1901

Neg feedback kills a punters account

It doesnt do much to the wg in question

Shes an experianced wg. She should accept some fault or responsibility for fucking around a punter. She shouldnt have neg feedbacked him at all


Offline Trotter671

Just read the feedback and her response pal - I think you've fucked it for a getting another booking with any decent WG via AW now to be honest.

Offline KeenPunter

Plus tour AW and UKP accounts are now linked, probably not that difficult to find your digital footprint

Online RandomGuy99

Plus tour AW and UKP accounts are now linked, probably not that difficult to find your digital footprint
Well given that he used the same name on AW and here, it wouldn't be difficult to figure out.

See rule 6 on External Link/Members Only

Also to be honest, most SPs know who each of us are. We may think we're being clever enough not to be found out, but usually SSs say stuff in their reviews that allow the SPs to identify us. Also a lot of SSs forget that SPs are on here too and many of them are lurkers not interacting on the forum. They're just reading the reviews and working out who is who and then they share the information as you would.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2023, 08:39:29 pm by RandomGuy99 »

Offline Cheshuk

not sure in all honesty

easy to shut the app and open again though

I'll persevere with it mate thanks for the info.. the paid subscription locks in your number, i'd rather pay to lose it ffs

Online Bustydusty

Well given that he used the same name on AW and here, it wouldn't be difficult to figure out.

See rule 6 on External Link/Members Only

Also to be honest, most SPs know who each of us are. We may think we're being clever enough not to be found out, but usually SSs say stuff in their reviews that allow the SPs to identify us. Also a lot of SSs forget that SPs are on here too and many of them are lurkers not interacting on the forum. They're just reading the reviews and working out who is who and then they share the information as you would.

Easy enough tho to just lie about something completely unimportant in the review to avoid the sp recognising you

Offline roadrunner69999

Just read the feedback and her response pal - I think you've fucked it for a getting another booking with any decent WG via AW now to be honest.

I'll clarify again. I discussed a meet a month before event and all was agreed, it was agreed I put the booking on aw and thus was then confirmed. I regularly checked the site and saw an update. Checked her profile and saw a notice for holiday when e were supposed to meet. This was a week before the event.

I contacted her to see if correct and was told she was going away and could I rebook. Explained I was only there for a weekend and that I was disappointed as booking was in and looking forward to seeing her. I was then told I was entitled and why would someone not go away when offered. At no point did I get an apology just attitude. I think service providers deserve holidays as much if not more than anyone else having to put up with us lot  :D however I do feel a little customer service would have helped sort this. I'd have said have a great time away and I'll catch you next time. It's been difficult to book during this trip anyway.

I'd still be happy to sort this if contacted it's a shame I got the feedback i have and if it effects my ability to book I'm then hurt longer term for no fault of my own then I have to take that for the team. I felt you all needed to be aware of my experience. I'd given up punting at home but I'm thinking of starting again and finding a regular, if this happens it may rehabilitate my profile, if not then its their loss not mine.

Online RandomGuy99

I'd still be happy to sort this if contacted it's a shame I got the feedback i have and if it effects my ability to book I'm then hurt longer term for no fault of my own then I have to take that for the team. I felt you all needed to be aware of my experience. I'd given up punting at home but I'm thinking of starting again and finding a regular, if this happens it may rehabilitate my profile, if not then its their loss not mine.
Given how this has played out I suspect there is no way the SP is going to sort this out with you. You have damaged her reputation on here and more importantly on AW, which is more public.  You've shot yourself in the foot.

Move on. Learn from the experience. Next time a similar situation arises just take it on the chin and reschedule or cancel and find someone else to see. There really are more important things in life than SP bookings. Nobody needs the drama this has become.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2023, 09:21:08 am by RandomGuy99 »

Offline Easygoingdude

Given how this has played out I suspect there is no way the SP is going to sort this out with you. You have damaged her reputation on here and more importantly on AW, which is more public.  You've shot yourself in the foot.

Move on. Learn from the experience. Next time a similar situation arises just take it on the chin and reschedule or cancel and find someone else to see. There really are more important things in life than SP bookings. Nobody needs the drama this has become.

Sound advice......with AW feedback being so potentially damning, it is a case of counting to ten and coming back to it later when these type of things happen last minute.

Offline dub6747

Maybe I'm being naive but you're all talking about women that fuck multiple men very often for a living...they're not really bothered about you, they just want the money...if they mess you around by not texting you etc that's because they aren't interested in forming a relationship with you....ffs some of you need to give your head a serious wobble

Offline Followyourdick

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Booked Francesca a month ago as confirmed she was happy with early booking and we had a mutual acquaintance in Harriet Appleby who was my first punt and worked with Francesca in the past.

Not wishing to hijack this thread but Harriett was probably the best snogging I’ve ever had in a punt, if she reappeared I would revisit for sure.

Online RandomGuy99

Not wishing to hijack this thread but Harriett was probably the best snogging I’ve ever had in a punt, if she reappeared I would revisit for sure.
It's a pity she has disappeared. She may have retired to her french chateau.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Maybe I'm being naive but you're all talking about women that fuck multiple men very often for a living...they're not really bothered about you, they just want the money...if they mess you around by not texting you etc that's because they aren't interested in forming a relationship with you....ffs some of you need to give your head a serious wobble
Nobody is suggesting forming a relationship, we all or certainly the majority of us realise it's a paid fuck but do you think she should have informed him rather than him having to chase her  :unknown:
Simple question based on the business transaction they had agreed to  :hi:

Offline Cheshuk

Nobody is suggesting forming a relationship, we all or certainly the majority of us realise it's a paid fuck but do you think she should have informed him rather than him having to chase her  :unknown:
Simple question based on the business transaction they had agreed to  :hi:

Glad he cleared that up, I think most of us here thought adultwork was a dating site .

Now I know i've been going about business all wrong, if I want to get a customer to spend money all I need to do is mess them around and offer terrible customer service. Genius

Offline BaldEagle

Maybe I'm being naive but you're all talking about women that fuck multiple men very often for a living...they're not really bothered about you, they just want the money...if they mess you around by not texting you etc that's because they aren't interested in forming a relationship with you....ffs some of you need to give your head a serious wobble

What Blackpool Rock said above is right. None of us expects a relationship . It's a business transaction pure and simple . But as anyone who has been involved in running a business knows the critical elements are organisation, communication and customer relations and she failed in all three.

She then compounded the error by overreacting to what appears to be an overreaction by the OP.  That is what we are discussing not acting as agony aunts
« Last Edit: April 20, 2023, 01:25:25 pm by BaldEagle »

Offline dub6747

Ok, I get what you are all saying in response to my rant but if you're expecting women that have often experienced abuse in some way on life to have a top notch business plan worthy of Alan Sugar pumping money in, that's where the flaw in your thinking is

Offline Blackpool Rock

Ok, I get what you are all saying in response to my rant but if you're expecting women that have often experienced abuse in some way on life to have a top notch business plan worthy of Alan Sugar pumping money in, that's where the flaw in your thinking is
Doubling down with the abuse comment then  :rolleyes:

Online Bustydusty

Ok, I get what you are all saying in response to my rant but if you're expecting women that have often experienced abuse in some way on life to have a top notch business plan worthy of Alan Sugar pumping money in, that's where the flaw in your thinking is

I didn’t realise telling a customer you can’t make a meeting and apologising qualifies as a top notch business plan
Learn something new every day

Offline KeenPunter

Ok, I get what you are all saying in response to my rant but if you're expecting women that have often experienced abuse in some way on life to have a top notch business plan worthy of Alan Sugar pumping money in, that's where the flaw in your thinking is

I'd agree with the Alan Sugar comment, most are not running a business in that way, credit to the ones that do run it as a professional business but mist are just selling their arse

Online Strawberry

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Ok, I get what you are all saying in response to my rant but if you're expecting women that have often experienced abuse in some way on life to have a top notch business plan worthy of Alan Sugar pumping money in, that's where the flaw in your thinking is

Plenty of people who have experienced abuse run very organised lives and or successful businesses.

Online RandomGuy99

I suggest less drama and more shagging.

Offline roadrunner69999

I'd agree with the Alan Sugar comment, most are not running a business in that way, credit to the ones that do run it as a professional business but mist are just selling their arse

That's just it though, there was no apology. I saw the update on profile, if I hadn't I'd not have been any the wiser the booking was cancelled. I approached her just for clarification and got a poor response. If I've overreacted I can't change that but I thought you fellow punters deserved to be made aware that I made an appointment, it wasn't kept, I wasn't made aware and given grief for suggesting I should have been.

I was shocked by the level of service and wouldn't want anyone getting the same. It's up to you what you do with the info but I did what the board is for, provided Intel.

Online RandomGuy99

I was shocked by the level of service and wouldn't want anyone getting the same. It's up to you what you do with the info but I did what the board is for, provided Intel.
But at the same time you're dillusional by saying "you're still open to resolving the matter". The SP isn't going to do that. It's a one way street and you're at the bottom of it.

There is no point discussing it any further.

Move on. Learn from the experience. Handle the situation differently next time and keep your toys in your pram.

Offline Bru1901

That's just it though, there was no apology. I saw the update on profile, if I hadn't I'd not have been any the wiser the booking was cancelled. I approached her just for clarification and got a poor response. If I've overreacted I can't change that but I thought you fellow punters deserved to be made aware that I made an appointment, it wasn't kept, I wasn't made aware and given grief for suggesting I should have been.

I was shocked by the level of service and wouldn't want anyone getting the same. It's up to you what you do with the info but I did what the board is for, provided Intel.

Well its appreciated that you informed

Your own negative feedback will not affect you affer a few meets unless you try to book a friend of hers etc

Still find it funny that a wg is calling a punter 'entitled'

Offline Cheshuk

That's just it though, there was no apology. I saw the update on profile, if I hadn't I'd not have been any the wiser the booking was cancelled. I approached her just for clarification and got a poor response. If I've overreacted I can't change that but I thought you fellow punters deserved to be made aware that I made an appointment, it wasn't kept, I wasn't made aware and given grief for suggesting I should have been.

I was shocked by the level of service and wouldn't want anyone getting the same. It's up to you what you do with the info but I did what the board is for, provided Intel.

I get why you're pissed, and have a right to be. Just this is the common level of shit customer service a lot of independents provide right now, so unfortunately i'm saying having booked so much in advance its not surprising to me, & seemingly others she didn't come through. If punters are late or don't show it's unforgivable but for them it's fine.

The point people are making is if you really want to see an sp, take it on the chin, definitely don't leave negatives on their profiles, as it seems you did to another sp (Pale Rose) that same day, then report it here afterwards.

Honestly mate I get your frustration, as I experience it to, my main point of contention is after putting up with their shit you turn up and she's nothing like the pictures.

For that reason i'm gravitating more to London agencies and seeking, and will likely only see young sp's or well-reviewed gym toned milfs in the nw going forward. Their agencies are very business minded and customer oriented, girls are stunning, some girls get pay deductions for being late, comms are great and requests are met and pictures mostly show faces and are accurate. It's the fucking dream but irrelevant here, most regions outside the Capital  are on their knees but very cheap in comparison so that's a silver lining.

Point is prices are rising, service dropping, and stunners in short supply.. that's the state of the market from my perspective and you've just got navigate it.

Offline Kool Keef

Well its appreciated that you informed

Your own negative feedback will not affect you affer a few meets unless you try to book a friend of hers etc

Still find it funny that a wg is calling a punter 'entitled'

+1
A neg on your AW feedback isn't the end of the world like some people seem to believe, as long of you've got much more positive fb then you'll have no problem getting bookings with most WGs
It happened to me a few years ago after I gave a WG a neg on her & she threw her toys out of the pram, it's never affected me getting a booking though.