Messaged by an SP, regarding a review. Advice needed please?

[Cheshuk]

Looking for some advice. I’ve been messaged by an sp regarding a negative that can through. She messaged me as she saw I replied to the review, and knew me from my review of her.

This message was explaining that whilst the negative is true, it’s missing explanatory information. Appalling personal hyegeine, BO described as vomit inducing, cold/dirty/smelly location for the meet and bad teeth. I have no issue posting the messages, however this would be embarrassing for the op. Plus I can’t verify any details from the punter or so, besides he said she said.

My reason for posting is that I believe all reviews should be an honest accounting and with this information that review possibly isn’t. I did find the review strange given my experience but that’s not my place to question further.

If a mod or forum helper sees this, please advise whether I should ignore or put the other side for people to see.

[OakTree]

You’ve already put your side by your review. She’s trying to use you as a lever on this forum. Personally I would not get involved and block her number.

That’s a point, how did she message you? If it was by unsolicited text you should name and shame her.

[BobbyDazzler99]

Wow, she actually messaged you regarding a review,  Lol She should become a member and respond personally which would make it more real.

[Cheshuk]

You’ve already put your side by your review. She’s trying to use you as a lever on this forum. Personally I would not get involved and block her number.

That’s a point, how did she message you? If it was by unsolicited text you should name and shame her.

It was on WhatsApp, she's someone I'd see again so not going to block her. The thing is, imo if the messages are true I could understand the punter receiving the service he did. I suspect they may have some truth to them, as in my experience an sp doesn't give 100 to some punters and 0 to others. They're either good or bad. Which to me makes the review somewhat questionable, this site is a large part about finding good sp's so I would think, reviews should be an honest accounting.

Or would you say regardless of the punters premises and personal hygiene, she should go through with it 100%. I'm of the opinion we should at least turn up nice and clean.

I understand from the curiosity aspect people would want to know who it is, however until I get a firm answer I think it's best to leave the ambiguity.

[Cheshuk]

Wow, she actually messaged you regarding a review,  Lol She should become a member and respond personally which would make it more real.

This isn't the first time I have been messaged by an SP. It happened to me with one in Birmingham after I left her a neg.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=355831.0

However this is the first time it is regarding someone else's review. Since I got along with her very well I think she was comfortable messaging me.

There is the option to say she should join, and reply herself. It's an interesting discussion but I don't think a conclusion can be reached without the assistance of a mod or forum helper. I suspect the answer will be, don't bother posting the messages, however I would rather ask.

[Billy no mates]

You’ve already put your side by your review. She’s trying to use you as a lever on this forum. Personally I would not get involved and block her number.

That’s a point, how did she message you? If it was by unsolicited text you should name and shame her.

Excellent advice from a seasoned punter.

I concur, and either say “what’s ukpunting?” Or block and find another girl to visit.

Do not get involved.

[BobbyDazzler99]

This isn't the first time I have been messaged by an SP. It happened to me with one in Birmingham after I left her a neg.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=355831.0

However this is the first time it is regarding someone else's review. Since I got along with her very well I think she was comfortable messaging me.

There is the option to say she should join, and reply herself. It's an interesting discussion but I don't think a conclusion can be reached without the assistance of a mod or forum helper. I suspect the answer will be, don't bother posting the messages, however I would rather ask.

Fair Play, Makes sense

I don't doubt SP's messaging you. I have a few SP's who I have got on well with and go back to every now and then and I do get them randomly messaging me at times asking if I am free to see them or If I have or know anyone that can supply some talcom powder lol

[OakTree]

Or would you say regardless of the punters premises and personal hygiene, she should go through with it 100%. I'm of the opinion we should at least turn up nice and clean.

I understand from the curiosity aspect people would want to know who it is, however until I get a firm answer I think it's best to leave the ambiguity.

I would stay out of it. You’ve no idea what really went on. The punter gave his review and that’s all we need. If she’s got a load of pos and one or two reds we can all make our own minds up wether it’s relevant info or not.
Besides you will now get pressure to name who it is and there is justification for that. You’ve asked for advice.

[Cheshuk]

Fair Play, Makes sense

I don't doubt SP's messaging you. I have a few SP's who I have got on well with and go back to every now and then and I do get them randomly messaging me at times asking if I am free to see them or If I have or know anyone that can supply some talcom powder lol

I'm not married or in a relationship so I have no issue with unsolicited texts, as it seems you don't either. However, I can understand that could be alarming for some. It may be that they message us as they know the text won't cause a problem. I'm surprised the sp's you meet haven't discovered Boots.

[Moby Dick]

Why get involved. What’s in it for you?

She could be playing you. Standard practice for SP to blame punter for bad hygiene as an excuse for reduced service. Totally understandable if true, but how do you prove it’s true or not, so why become the messenger. You weren’t in the room. Punters word v SP. Let her come on here and give her own respectful account.

She is probably slagging him off and posting warnings about him on their forums.

Which one is it?
I think I have worked it out but a few of your positives are followed by others with the opposite experience. 

[Cheshuk]

I would stay out of it. You’ve no idea what really went on. The punter gave his review and that’s all we need. If she’s got a load of pos and one or two reds we can all make our own minds up wether it’s relevant info or not.
Besides you will now get pressure to name who it is and there is justification for that. You’ve asked for advice.

Oaktree i've always found you sensible and concise, so I actually wasn't questioning you. I assumed you were probably right, however wanted to get an answer from the top. Since a forum helper has now weighed in and said to drop it, that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned.

[Cheshuk]

Why get involved. What’s in it for you?

She could be playing you. Standard practice for SP to blame punter for bad hygiene as an excuse for reduced service. Totally understandable if true, but how do you prove it’s true or not, so why become the messenger. You weren’t in the room. Punters word v SP. Let her come on here and give her own respectful account.

She is probably slagging him off and posting warnings about him on their forums.

Which one is it?
I think I have worked it out but a few of your positives are followed by others with the opposite experience. 

That was my point, it would be he said she said. However we only had what he said, so I was asking if I should put the other side of the story. However, I won't now.

Just to clarify I don't think I've ever left a review, where I'm the only positive for that sp, however I do tend to have continually good experiences, even with sp's that are hit and miss with others.

[Billy no mates]

Oaktree i've always found you sensible and concise, so I actually wasn't questioning you. I assumed you were probably right, however wanted to get an answer from the top. Since a forum helper has now weighed in and said to drop it, that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned.

Please don’t attribute or confuse the ‘forum helper’ tag. I am not a moderator and feel free to carry on the discussion.

My advice was to not get involved with the SP, not to stop the debate of what’s best 

[Moby Dick]

Defending a review on behalf of an SP is still (I believe) considered by many as

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Maybe one of the forum helpers should change the thread title to
“When is it acceptable to become a Whiteknight?” 

[Cheshuk]

Defending a review on behalf of an SP is still considered by many as

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One side of the coin is reviews should be honest which this one may possibly be lacking important facts, you said yourself if the information was true you can understand her actions. White knighting is the other side of the coin and hence the reason why I asked the question.

As pointed out future reviews will highlight the real level of service to expect

I think I've done the correct thing by asking

[BobbyDazzler99]

I'm surprised the sp's you meet haven't discovered Boots.

Lol you lost me here, I dont get it. What you mean?

[Cheshuk]

Lol you lost me here, I dont get it. What you mean?

Boots the high street pharmacy sell talcom powder, that's what you were talking about I assumed

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[BobbyDazzler99]

Boots the high street pharmacy sell talcom powder, that's what you were talking about I assumed

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Lol, The SP asked for Sniff. I just said Talcom Powder as I wasnt sure if its against forum rules to mention the class A drug. haha

[Cheshuk]

Please don’t attribute or confuse the ‘forum helper’ tag. I am not a moderator and feel free to carry on the discussion.

My advice was to not get involved with the SP, not to stop the debate of what’s best 

Honestly I see mod and forum helper in a similar light of authority maybe I'm wrong, but it's easier that way. Anyway consensus seems to agree with you

[Cheshuk]

Lol, The SP asked for Sniff. I just said Talcom Powder as I wasnt sure if its against forum rules to mention the class A drug. haha

It is rule 30 mate

[Moby Dick]

Honestly I see mod and forum helper in a similar light of authority maybe I'm wrong, but it's easier that way. Anyway consensus seems to agree with you

Forum helpers index reviews, change thread titles, move threads and other low level stuff.

Mods drive scooters, make threats and make the decisive decisions about what can be posted or not.
Either send them a PM or report your post if you really think it is necessary to get their attention.

[Cheshuk]

Forum helpers index reviews, change thread titles, move threads and other low level stuff.

Mods drive scooters, make threats and make the decisive decisions about what can be posted or not.
Either send them a PM or report your post if you really think it is necessary to get their attention.

It's fine, i've reiterated a few times that i've dropped it as far as I'm concerned. I'm simply replying to replies at this point.

Useful info for future nonetheless

[Philmeboots]

Pretty obvious who the SP is checking on recent posts from Cheshuk

£200 a punt would rule her out for me,would be interesting if she does decide to join the fray on here though.

[Moby Dick]

I think I've done the correct thing by asking

You aren’t fooling anyone. I think you already knew what the answer was.
You clearly haven’t posted on the review because you know you would get a lot of grief regarding whiteknighting.
Yet you have posted enough information in your OP to make it easy to work out which review and UKP member you are questioning. You have drawn attention to his review without any concrete evidence.
I can’t believe you could be manipulated by an SP to challenge him.

[Kool Keef]

You aren’t fooling anyone. I think you already knew what the answer was.
You clearly haven’t posted on the review because you know you would get a lot of grief regarding whiteknighting.
Yet you have posted enough information in your OP to make it easy to work out which review and UKP member you are questioning. You have drawn attention to his review without any concrete evidence.
I can’t believe you could be manipulated by an SP to challenge him.

I agree, he knew what he was doing, a snide thing to do imo.
Probably hoping for a freebie or discount on his next booking.

[Cheshuk]

I didn't give enough thought into how easy it would be to work out, I genuinely had no other intention besides asking what I should do. I was in a taxi in London on the way to a punt when I got the texts and posted the question.

If you look at the Birmingham review I posted in this thread when I was messaged by her I asked a question there. Since it has been worked out, there's just more information for people to make up their own minds, white knight or not.

I've spent over a grand this week on punts, with another grands lined up by Friday, so I'm certainly not bothered about freebies and don't think like that, haters gonna hate. I use this forum a hell of a lot to make decisions, so excuse me for actually giving a shit about the integrity of a review when I had experienced a service myself then was sent questionable information on a review that doesn't stack up to me.

You both seem to forget that not all members have been on this forum for as long as you, so things that are obvious to you are not to me having been on less than 5 months.

[Moby Dick]

For what it’s worth  I don’t think you are after freebies.
From your brief time on here I believe you are more likely to bring gifts, blow smoke up their ass, and encourage them to increase their rates.

Starting this thread shows you are rather naive and gullible.
Be careful, You may think you are getting everything you want from SPs but at some point you will get a lot more than you bargained for, and not in a good way.

[daviemac]

This isn't the first time I have been messaged by an SP. It happened to me with one in Birmingham after I left her a neg.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=355831.0

However this is the first time it is regarding someone else's review. Since I got along with her very well I think she was comfortable messaging me.

There is the option to say she should join, and reply herself. It's an interesting discussion but I don't think a conclusion can be reached without the assistance of a mod or forum helper. I suspect the answer will be, don't bother posting the messages, however I would rather ask.

Firstly what are you doing telling escorts you are a member on here?   

As far as posting on behalf of an escort who doesn't agree with a review and taking her side when you have no evidence apart from her word to show the review is wrong is unbelievable.

Did you bother to read the rules you agreed to when you signed up, I'll remind you just in case.

1 Site ethos/mission
This Forum puts the interests of Punters first through the sharing of Reviews. The Forum does not endorse or promote any service provider or any other site. This site is totally independent. No favouritism, no special treatment, no vested interests and no pandering to service providers. Members are expected to post Reviews, although there is no formal quota (see rule 27). General chat relating to Punting is allowed on the appropriate Board.

2 Service Providers
This site allows service providers to be members, but zero tolerance for touting, flirting, attention-seeking and negative attitude toward punters. Service providers must respect the ethos of the site. This site is neither a chat platform between clients and service providers nor a support site for service providers. All service providers / non-punters must reveal their working identities - no 'anonymous WGs'.

What are you trying to achieve, a freebie off the escort for being her knight in shining armour.

[Kool Keef]

I didn't give enough thought into how easy it would be to work out, I genuinely had no other intention besides asking what I should do. I was in a taxi in London on the way to a punt when I got the texts and posted the question.

If you look at the Birmingham review I posted in this thread when I was messaged by her I asked a question there. Since it has been worked out, there's just more information for people to make up their own minds, white knight or not.

I've spent over a grand this week on punts, with another grands lined up by Friday, so I'm certainly not bothered about freebies and don't think like that, haters gonna hate. I use this forum a hell of a lot to make decisions, so excuse me for actually giving a shit about the integrity of a review when I had experienced a service myself then was sent questionable information on a review that doesn't stack up to me.

You both seem to forget that not all members have been on this forum for as long as you, so things that are obvious to you are not to me having been on less than 5 months.

I'd have to care about you to hate you and tbh I mostly ignore your posts because the girls you punt don't interest me.

You play the naive card but I don't think you are, I reckon you're probably a returning banned member.

[Cheshuk]

Firstly what are you doing telling escorts you are a member on here?   

As far as posting on behalf of an escort who doesn't agree with a review and taking her side when you have no evidence apart from her word to show the review is wrong is unbelievable.

Did you bother to read the rules you agreed to when you signed up, I'll remind you just in case.

1 Site ethos/mission
This Forum puts the interests of Punters first through the sharing of Reviews. The Forum does not endorse or promote any service provider or any other site. This site is totally independent. No favouritism, no special treatment, no vested interests and no pandering to service providers. Members are expected to post Reviews, although there is no formal quota (see rule 27). General chat relating to Punting is allowed on the appropriate Board.

2 Service Providers
This site allows service providers to be members, but zero tolerance for touting, flirting, attention-seeking and negative attitude toward punters. Service providers must respect the ethos of the site. This site is neither a chat platform between clients and service providers nor a support site for service providers. All service providers / non-punters must reveal their working identities - no 'anonymous WGs'.

What are you trying to achieve, a freebie off the escort for being her knight in shining armour.

The steps of my thinking were:

1. Review doesn't stack up given my experience.

2. Information is sent to me that now the review makes more sense.

3. I was now questioning the integrity of that review.

4. Asked question if I should say something or not

There's literally nothing more to it than that, I didn't say who the sp was as I wanted to get an answer what to do first.

All I've done since joining this site is try to give back, questioning the review wasn't for the SP, it's because her information sounds truthful.

Anyway lesson learnt, never side with an sp

[frankc]

You play the naive card but I don't think you are, I reckon you're probably a returning banned member.

Totally agree with this, IMO there should be zero tolerance for "white knighting"

[Cheshuk]

I'd have to care about you to hate you and tbh I mostly ignore your posts because the girls you punt don't interest me.

You play the naive card but I don't think you are, I reckon you're probably a returning banned member.

I know we punt different girls, I ignore the parlour punt reviews, yes I get many don't like me for how I punt.

That's just nonsense, I didn't even know ukp before I joined,

I found it when I google a girl and got a bunch of free credits and joined.

[Cheshuk]

Totally agree with this, IMO there should be zero tolerance for "white knighting"

All this hate is simply because I punt differently than the rest of the nw region. There's the same divide on the London board but enough members who see expensive sp's for it not to be one person. I actually don't know how this has escalated

[Briddy]

One side of the coin is reviews should be honest which this one may possibly be lacking important facts, you said yourself if the information was true you can understand her actions. White knighting is the other side of the coin and hence the reason why I asked the question.

As pointed out future reviews will highlight the real level of service to expect

I think I've done the correct thing by asking

your saying the review wasn't honest but you've only got the sp stating that fact to you with no real evidence.

[Kool Keef]

The steps of my thinking were:

1. Review doesn't stack up given my experience.

2. Information is sent to me that now the review makes more sense.

3. I was now questioning the integrity of that review.

4. Asked question if I should say something or not

There's literally nothing more to it than that, I didn't say who the sp was as I wanted to get an answer what to do first.

All I've done since joining this site is try to give back, questioning the review wasn't for the SP, it's because her information sounds truthful.

Anyway lesson learnt, never side with an sp

How does the WG know your identity on here?
I don't tell any WG I punt i'm on UKP.

[frankc]

I actually don't know how this has escalated

Surely your joking?  You should be banned for that comment alone

[Moby Dick]

All this hate is simply because I punt differently than the rest of the nw region. There's the same divide on the London board but enough members who see expensive sp's for it not to be one person. I actually don't know how this has escalated

I don’t hate you.
I am trying to protect my own interests by educating you to punt responsibly and stop pandering to overpriced SPs.

You mentioned on another thread you could write a book full of negative reviews for £200+ SPs yet you favour to post reviews of young skinny inexperienced SPs that have no place other than the PTPT.
I would rather read your negatives if you continue to pay London prices for NW lasses.

What next: you will be telling us you give them £10 tips. 

[stevedave]

The steps of my thinking were:

1. Review doesn't stack up given my experience.

It wasn't your experience though, was it? It was somebody else's.

[Iloveoral]

Some people are just that stupid, couldn’t listen to the warning

[daviemac]

The steps of my thinking were:

1. Review doesn't stack up given my experience.

You had your experience the reviewer had his, you posted as you found it, he posted how he found it, who are you to say he is wrong.

2. Information is sent to me that now the review makes more sense.

Because the escort tells you the review is wrong you immediately assume she's right and he's making it up, not once do you consider she might be in damage limitation mode.

3. I was now questioning the integrity of that review.

Not your place to start a thread questioning the integrity of someone else's review on behalf of an escort. If you think there's something wrong with a review then report it and let the mods deal with it.

4. Asked question if I should say something or not

Again not your place to speak on behalf of service providers.

[lewisjones23]

first thing prossies say to try limit a negative review is punter hygiene

if it was so bad they wouldnt go ahead with the punt

OP, i’ve enjoyed your reviews and posts in the most part but you’re way off the mark on this one

[hungrypunt]

I think you meant well OP but are every mis guided on this one.

Mentioning UKP to an SP is a no no, for obvious reasons, and actually "working" on behalf of and SP to tout her comment on here is worse.

do the right thing and ignore, or soon you will be being "used" by other SPs aswell. they can sniff it out.

edit, just seen temp ban

[EUGENE TACKLEBERRY]

I'd have to care about you to hate you and tbh I mostly ignore your posts because the girls you punt don't interest me.

You play the naive card but I don't think you are, I reckon you're probably a returning banned member.

100% thought this the way you've confidently stroud in out of nowhere, punting since you was 18 and only just landed on here is questionable. I've been punting 5 years and I was in here instantly, it found me!

As for the grand here grand there, haters gonna hate, Jesus wept what a Johnny wanna be u sound, ffs

Having an expensive punt yes, we here to help and give info/insight but that sort of comment's just cuntish

Also do you know willnotts?

[Chris1990mcr]

You ever met a small business owner who gets a bad review and goes 'OK maybe it was me maybe I can learn from that'    Its always defensive and then on the attack.

These WG are the same.

10 good review one bad not really an issue. We can infer off day / punter was a dick / no connection or whatever.