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Offline dildobaggins

I may post a review of where this occurred in due course but I didn't want to reveal the town or location at this stage as I do not know to what degree this forum is monitored by the police.

I tried a new Chinese massage place this morning. I'd agreed on £60 for 30 mins with a bj and had just popped on the table when the door bell goes and the masseuse leaves to answer. (This did annoy me a little at the time). I was still laying face down when I heard a bloke downstairs calling loudly "police, stay where you are". I quickly got dressed and put my head around the door and shouted hello.

3 police officers then entered the room I was in, explained I wasn't in any trouble and that they were checking on the welfare of the people working there. They had body cameras on which were recording me and the room. They searched the room and didn't appear to find anything like condoms. They took my details reassuring me that they wouldn't come knocking and would only contact me via phone if they needed to but didn't anticipate needing to.

I surprised myself at how calm I was, perhaps some credit goes in their direction for the way they handled things, and I did ask them if I had done anything wrong by coming to a place that they obviously have concerns with. I'd got visions of being locked up for visiting a brothel / place housing trafficked people and the awkward conversation that would follow with my wife about why it took so long to do my errands. They reassured me it was all fine and I hadn't done anything wrong. They were probably with me for 15 minutes having a general chin wag to pass the time.

The sergeant in charge then popped in to the room, addressed me by my first name, explained the situation in that they'd made the visit on the back of reports from locals which lead to concerns being raised about the welfare of the people working there. He said they had a mandarin interpreter downstairs talking to the women who had been working there. The inference of his words was there was 3 or more of them which was surprising as I'd only seen and heard the one. He asked his colleagues, the 3 who stayed in the room with me, if my details checked out and were OK and they confirmed they did. He then said, based on my cooperation and that all my details had checked out that I was free to go, reassuring me again that I'd done nothing wrong and that they would only contact me via phone if they needed to. He even asked me if I wanted him to ask the lady about my money. I didn't want to bother with that, I was just keen to get out of there as quickly as possible. I also thought it might get awkward if I said I'd paid £30 more than the half hour rate. All told I counted 8 police officers as I walked out so god only knows what was really going on there.

So, I'm back home now reflecting on what was an alarming experience and wondering if I'd go back, assuming the place remains open, or if I should take this as a warning and limit visits to well established, completely legit places for a massage. From the outside the place didn't look like it would offer anything else other than massage and the lady I saw was dressed for massage rather than anything else but she did have a twinkle in her eye which is what lead me to cheekily ask at the beginning, how about £60 for a nice sensual massage followed by a blow job?

I'd share the town and location were it not for my worry that by doing so I then implicate myself in a transaction that was a lot less innocent than the therapeutic massage I'd told plod I was after.

Offline PaulRuff

I'd steer well clear of that establishment from now on if I were you...

Offline standardpostage

Sounds like they were investigating reports of trafficking,

or, checking for people working without work permits.

Offline bops909

Sounds like they were investigating reports of trafficking,

or, checking for people working without work permits.

My question is, was the OP the only customer on the premises at the time ?

If was the plod I'd definitely wait for at least one customer to be on the premises to provide potential evidence but you wouldn't want the place to be full of customers either and have to manage a handful of punters as well as the staff.

They can now link your name and address to your UKP profile.

On a separate note, to judge from their comments on Twitter, some WGs take a very dim view of "welfare checks" and wonder whose welfare is being improved by a police raid.


Offline scutty brown

My question is, was the OP the only customer on the premises at the time ?

If was the plod I'd definitely wait for at least one customer to be on the premises to provide potential evidence but you wouldn't want the place to be full of customers either and have to manage a handful of punters as well as the staff.

They can now link your name and address to your UKP profile.

On a separate note, to judge from their comments on Twitter, some WGs take a very dim view of "welfare checks" and wonder whose welfare is being improved by a police raid.


Quick! Let's all claim to be Spartacus!

More seriously, the welfare checks sometimes find girls in horrendous circumstances. The checks are worth it to get the affected girls out.

As for searching for condoms, the police need to wise up. Chinese massage shops usually don't let the girls have condoms, just in case they do get raided. They just go BB instead. No evidence that way

Offline RAJEC

If it were a case of working without permits or questions around status to be in the country, surely immigration officers would have turned up rather than the police?

Offline filbo94

The absolute worst nightmare. Probably worst than a husband coming home early (which I've had!)

Was the place a parlour with a sign outside or a "discreet" house?

Offline scutty brown

If it were a case of working without permits or questions around status to be in the country, surely immigration officers would have turned up rather than the police?

This appears to have been a welfare check.
They're checking for the girls being exploited, not illegal entry

Offline RAJEC

This appears to have been a welfare check.
They're checking for the girls being exploited, not illegal entry

 :thumbsup: :hi:

Offline dildobaggins

The absolute worst nightmare. Probably worst than a husband coming home early (which I've had!)

Was the place a parlour with a sign outside or a "discreet" house?

The place has a sign outside.

I’ve since had a call from the lady I saw apologising and offering to honour my appointment. She said the police were just checking them out as they were a new business. I’m sure the police have sufficient resources to send a team in to check every new massage business, not, so there must be something else going on here. I’ll stay away.

I’ve no idea if I was the only customer but I suspect I wasn’t as there was another room which the sergeant spent most of his time in. The door to that room was shut as I was shown out. The ladies were being interviewed in another room downstairs.

Offline Hugger-Mugger

...there was another room which the sergeant spent most of his time in. The door to that room was shut ...
Either collecting his tithe or getting one off the wrist?

Only kidding.
Chinese massage shops usually don't let the girls have condoms, just in case they do get raided. They just go BB instead. No evidence that way
And is it really true that the Chinese places don't have condoms, but do BB instead?
« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 09:42:12 pm by Hugger-Mugger »

Offline Thecunninglinguist

I obviously don't know where you are situated but I would advise maybe getting your massages in another police force area for the next 12 months as you will almost certainly be on a local intelligence database and should you be found again in similar circumstances questioning MAY be a little deeper and an "advice" letter to put you off

Offline Hugger-Mugger

I obviously don't know where you are situated but I would advise maybe getting your massages in another police force area for the next 12 months as you will almost certainly be on a local intelligence database and should you be found again in similar circumstances questioning MAY be a little deeper and an "advice" letter to put you off
That may be so, but it sucks!
Client of a massage establishment is in no way illegal.
I'm not sure he was legally obliged to identify himself!

"Although the police will likely ask for your name and address, you are not required to give it unless the police arrest you or are reporting you for an offence."

I think the correct answer might be
"I'm shy and embarrassed. Am I legally obliged to identify myself to you on this occasion"?
And if he says "Yes", enquire '"Why is that, please?"

Would I? Probably. Should we? I doubt it.

« Last Edit: January 17, 2022, 11:40:23 pm by Hugger-Mugger »

Offline Thephoenix

That may be so, but it sucks!
Client of a massage establishment is in no way illegal.
I'm not sure he was legally obliged to identify himself!

"Although the police will likely ask for your name and address, you are not required to give it unless the police arrest you or are reporting you for an offence."

Would I? Probably. Should we? I doubt it.

It's not a nice feeling.
Happened to me about  30 yrs ago in an old sauna/massage joint.
They wanted me to make a statement, but I just told them I was there for the sauna.
They weren't too impressed as the sauna was freezing cold and hadn't been working for years.

Offline Hugger-Mugger

It's not a nice feeling.
Happened to me about  30 yrs ago in an old sauna/massage joint.
They wanted me to make a statement, but I just told them I was there for the sauna.
They weren't too impressed as the sauna was freezing cold and hadn't been working for years.
Hence the disappointment and anger in your tone. Bloody cold sauna! you should sue.

Offline scutty brown

And is it really true that the Chinese places don't have condoms, but do BB instead?

A lot of the "massage only" shops where the girls offer FS as an extra.
Not the girls who work from houses / flats

Offline psb

Sounds like Cocos in Rochdale. Just opened and in a totally residential area. I went there last week and thought then that I could see the neighbors complaining.

Offline scutty brown

In the last few weeks new shops have opened in Blackburn, Preston, Warrington - and probably more I don't know about.
There seems to be a growth pattern

Offline Half Century

where's the new one in Warrington?

Offline yorkshirepunter3333

Sounds like Cocos in Rochdale. Just opened and in a totally residential area. I went there last week and thought then that I could see the neighbors complaining.

That would be my guess, its not even trying to look like a massage place.

I came here today to see if anything has been said about Cocos, I had a good massage / he but it felt like it was not setup in a way to avoid attention.


Offline Twotall

A lot of the "massage only" shops where the girls offer FS as an extra.
Not the girls who work from houses / flats

In my experience, where there are no condoms there is no sex but if you take your own then your options open up. I wouldn’t generalise even as above and say bb is going to be available. I have only encountered one girl who offered B2B and tried to remove the condom to get it. Fortunately she no longer works at the same establishment.

Offline sinbad52

I was in the well known Rooney massage parlour in Liverpool  with my "masseuse" when thefe was a knock on the room door. The girl attending to me left the room for a few minutes and when she came back told me that the police were on the premises and i would have to stay in the rkom a bit longer. Nothing to worry about she said "they will be gone shortly" and so they were.   They often pop in i was told. About six months later the Rooney affair happened. Discussing this with my policewoman niece she told me the adress and said they knew all about the place. When questioming her on why such places were tolerated she said better we dont drive them underground. And yet a few places on Merseyside were raided and prosecuted just a few years before. I could not continue the discussion without outing myself so left it there.

Offline Northerndave666

I obviously don't know where you are situated but I would advise maybe getting your massages in another police force area for the next 12 months as you will almost certainly be on a local intelligence database and should you be found again in similar circumstances questioning MAY be a little deeper and an "advice" letter to put you off

Good advice, but I'm not too sure I could be bothered with that. The OP went for a massage and a massage alone. I'm not even sure they had the right to take the OPs details tbh. I'm pretty sure that having a massage, of any type is above the law. As is a woman working on her own from a premise for any reason.

Be interesting if we have a lawyer on here who could provide some background if you needed to provide information over and above name and phone details.

p.s. another reason to only carry a punting phone !

Offline Hugger-Mugger

Good advice, but I'm not too sure I could be bothered with that. The OP went for a massage and a massage alone. I'm not even sure they had the right to take the OPs details tbh. I'm pretty sure that having a massage, of any type is above the law. As is a woman working on her own from a premise for any reason.

Be interesting if we have a lawyer on here who could provide some background if you needed to provide information over and above name and phone details.

p.s. another reason to only carry a punting phone !
Exackerly
IANAL, But
"Although the police will likely ask for your name and address, you are not required to give it unless the police arrest you or are reporting you for an offence."

I think the correct answer might be
"I'm shy and embarrassed. Am I legally obliged to identify myself to you on this occasion"?
And if he says "Yes", enquire '"Why is that, please?"
Punter just needs to be confident he is not exploiting a minor or someone trafficked or being  coerced.
Again, I say....
Tell them that they may refer to me as H and should they wish to arrest me or report me for an offence, I will be happy to comply fully with any legal obligation to identify myself. Till then, I respectfully decline.

Offline Torhandle

In the last few weeks new shops have opened in Blackburn, Preston, Warrington - and probably more I don't know about.
There seems to be a growth pattern

Do t think it is Coco’s because the guy mentioned the cops were down stairs. There are no stairs in Coco’s.  Although I heard that they were raised yesterday!  It looks like the GMP have a camping going to check out Chinese establishments.

Offline scutty brown

Another chinese place opened, this time Chorley

Offline Asianfcuker

Another chinese place opened, this time Chorley
They have had 2 profiles in Vstreet for the past week, but now down to 1.
External Link/Members Only

Please note this is not a sexual service.

AF

Offline Cunning Stunts

The absolute worst nightmare. Probably worst than a husband coming home early (which I've had!)

Was the place a parlour with a sign outside or a "discreet" house?

Neighbours who want to try and get a place closed down report it as a brothel Quite often the cops tell them they would be better reporting it for possible immigration/exploitation offences which then gives them a better excuse to take a look if they weren't aware of it and if [ As in the case of Lancashire ] they have a specialised unit it's passed to them.

You can tell where priorities lie in that Lancashire in that they have an exploitation unit but not a vice unit although there is a crossover obviously if the exploitation unit cops pay a visit and the people involved are English and it's clearly not a brothel type operation with multiple girls then they file a report and that's the last you.ll hear of it.

A friend of mine whos a local solicitor once told me if you want to get premises close to you closed down and its in a residential area complain to the council [ and the local councillor ] about parking problems as it brings into play half a dozen different depts and if I remember right that's what did for a pretty infamous fet party premises in Preston in the early naughties.

Offline Celtic 69

Wow...everyone of us worse nightmare OP.
Personally I stay away from massage shops & stick to independent therapist.
Mainly because I prefer a good professional massage with a individual therapist/customer repore & if extras are offered you know the therapist is not doing them because she has to or being put under any pressure to do.
Always felt a bit uncomfortable with shop environments as you don't really know if the lady is getting exploited & the majority of the fee is going to someone else.
But good to hear that the boys in blue didn't judge you & were only there for the wellbeing of the ladies. Hope police forces throughout the UK follow the same procedures, especially if any of us are unfortunate to be present in the future when they come calling ?

Great intel OP.

Offline Celtic 69

Dildobaggins,
I applaud you for sharing your experience.
Many thanks.

Offline Asianfcuker

They have had 2 profiles in Vstreet for the past week, but now down to 1.
External Link/Members Only

Please note this is not a sexual service.

This is the other profile.
External Link/Members Only

AF

Offline rndom

cant really add much to this
i am no lawyer or legal expert
just my 2 cents


firstly be polite thats prolly why the five - 0 didnt press on the questioning they arent stupid and know whats going on but wont arrest you if theres no proof (that is a bad idea for them)

nextly yes you can question them and be difficult with giving names or being compliant but you risk turning a friendly question to become a bit ..... more confrontational than anyone will like (who will lose more your reputation or the officers job)


finally i dont think there is a law that says you cant have a naked massage (you can play dumb and say thats all to it fake a bad back if you may). i think selling sex on the streets is a no no legally. selling sex indooors is a grey area (sandys got caught out for not paying taxes not because they were an "institution of ill repute"). and the get out clause every place uses is your get out clause what happens with consenting adults is their business


i suspect its a new place and the locals didnt like like it and reported to the officers, they have to investigate reports made and considering that the place is still open they checked out fine  -  ill still advise to give them some space for a spell and find a new stomping ground

its been said before pick a place that is a bit more reputable temporarily to see if here closes


sorry mostly guess work im doing

Offline Strawberry

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Selling sex indoors is not a grey area, it's not illegal.

However organising multiple sellers indoors is illegal, Sandy's was always illegal. Sandy's provided venue and arranged appointments, they took money for from punters and/or the sex workers.

Paying for sex is not illegal unless the person you have sex with is under 18, or has been coerced or forced.

CPS website covers this;
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« Last Edit: February 16, 2022, 03:55:32 pm by Strawberry »

Offline Torhandle

I agree with you entirely, play it cool, say your only there for a massage and ‘what’s the problem officer?’.  I think Coco’s suffered at the hands of the local residents. To be fair the shop was right on the corner of a residential street and I don’t think the natives were happy. The shop is shut now probably due to the local councillor giving the police a hard time and asking them to visit. If pc plod used any intel and looked at this site they would know exactly where to raid and shut down. I don’t think it’s in anyones interests for that to happen. The owner of Coco’s was Linda who also runs Lucy massage in Ashton and Jasmine in Stockport (both well reviews on here and both known for their extras, not the quality of the massage :D). And it is interesting that both Lucy massage and Jasmine are in a retail or quiet areas and not residential. I will certainly be keeping my visits to the retail or legit looking shops.  :hi:

Offline dildobaggins

I have found all the comments on here very useful thanks.

It's still an experience I wouldn't wish to repeat so I'll probably stick to independents or legit massage places in future.

The place in question was in Warrington...

External Link/Members Only

I have seen another post on this place and a review.


Offline spiralnotebook

I thought Cheshire Constabulary were pretty open minded and relaxed judging by the historical proliferation of knocking shops in Crewe, not to mention the politically correct mayhem every time you pass the HQ its a different virtue sharing flag LGBT B2B BLM BLT Rainbow flags, Doctor Who, you name it . . .