Is perversion in our nature

[myothernameis]

When it comes to some sexual acts, to us these might be normal, but to other persons, they think it perverted, and horrified at this.  Could include sexual acts like, rimming, face sitting, anal sex, fisting, water sports, hard sports, swinging, threesomes, and many others.

Most of my family would be horrified at what I like, and get up to, but have one brother who understand my perversions.  I never had considered my dad to be like this, but after he passed away, 1997, we had to clear out my parents bedroom.  I found my dads box of sex toys, cock rings, penis pump, two dildos, when I found these was shocked, never thought my dad to be like this

I guess this is a British thing, unlike when you go to other European countries, where there so open about sex

A few months ago there was an article in the Metro, where some male was caught sniffing panties, and a number of the female workers were disgusted at this.  But there was one of them, who didn't raise her voice, and I knew what she was like, willing to talk openly about sex. 

We both of us talked about the news story, and I boldly said to her jokingly, sell me your panties, I will sniff them tonight.  She was taken back by this, but not shocked, but asked me, what is it that the guys get off on this

Explained as best I could, for me its the aroma of worn panties, and can be addictive, and gives you a kind of high, through sensory input.  Mind you she never sold me her panties, but were still good friends

Even some escorts wont go as far with perverted sex act, and its a big no no with them.  One escort I had seen, dosnt allow rimming, but I caught her of guard, and rimmed her for a good five min's

[Strawberry]

When it comes to some sexual acts, to us these might be normal, but to other persons, they think it perverted, and horrified at this.  Could include sexual acts like, rimming, face sitting, anal sex, fisting, water sports, hard sports, swinging, threesomes, and many others.

Most of my family would be horrified at what I like, and get up to, but have one brother who understand my perversions.  I never had considered my dad to be like this, but after he passed away, 1997, we had to clear out my parents bedroom.  I found my dads box of sex toys, cock rings, penis pump, two dildos, when I found these was shocked, never thought my dad to be like this

I guess this is a British thing, unlike when you go to other European countries, where there so open about sex

A few months ago there was an article in the Metro, where some male was caught sniffing panties, and a number of the female workers were disgusted at this.  But there was one of them, who didn't raise her voice, and I knew what she was like, willing to talk openly about sex. 

We both of us talked about the news story, and I boldly said to her jokingly, sell me your panties, I will sniff them tonight.  She was taken back by this, but not shocked, but asked me, what is it that the guys get off on this

Explained as best I could, for me its the aroma of worn panties, and can be addictive, and gives you a kind of high, through sensory input.  Mind you she never sold me her panties, but were still good friends

Even some escorts wont go as far with perverted sex act, and its a big no no with them.  One escort I had seen, dosnt allow rimming, but I caught her of guard, and rimmed her for a good five min's

You knew she didn't allow rimming, but you did it?

[myothernameis]

You knew she didn't allow rimming, but you did it?

At the time, I didn't know this, but only once I had finished, she made me aware of this, but since doing this, rimming is now on her likes

[ulstersubbie]

When it comes to some sexual acts, to us these might be normal, but to other persons, they think it perverted, and horrified at this.  Could include sexual acts like, rimming, face sitting, anal sex, fisting, water sports, hard sports, swinging, threesomes, and many others.



I guess this is a British thing, unlike when you go to other European countries, where there so open about sex

I think a lot of people are kinky, deep down they know this but will never act on it. The hypocritical nature of our society reflects this when it comes to our view of sexuality. The BDSM scene in Britain is widespread and varied, we are truly a nation of pervs!

[oneeyesnake]

You knew she didn't allow rimming, but you did it?

I dont see it as a perversion, its natural to have a snifter...I enjoy leaving a ladies cum on me until I shower the following morning when the smells remind me of the good time thats has been had....memories

[streetstroler]

There used to be a thread on here about sniffing panties. I must admit on occasions I have sometimes stolen WGs panties from parlours that I've been in when taking a shower and the laundry basket has been in the room and I've had a good root through. I have though always returned them on a future visit after I've finished with them. Acquiring panties in this way is rather exciting I think and you know they're genuine, not like some that may have been bought from an anonymous vendor.

[cotton]

There must be some kind of general concensus position for what is and is not considered perverted.
Id stick a stake in the ground and say knicker sniffing ok    hard sports , a bit perverted 

[myothernameis]

  hard sports , a bit perverted 

Think some sexual terms like hard sports, & water sports or golden shower, some persons dont get what we refer to.  When talking about something like water sports, the other person might think its maybe water polo, but only if they knew

[Doc Holliday]

There must be some kind of general concensus position for what is and is not considered perverted.

To establish what may be considered a perversion you need to establish what is the norm. Straying slightly from the norm is sometimes classed as deviancy which then progresses into perversion.

The difficulty is establishing what is the norm?

This can be influenced by culture, morality (including the R word) but also what is the statistical norm within a given population and culture.

It also changes with time. What would have been considered a perversion in say the 1950s may well not be today, on the basis that the proportion of people admitting to engaging in the activity has increased. It will still be subjective though rather than based on any actual percentage.

[ulstersubbie]

To establish what may be considered a perversion you need to establish what is the norm. Straying slightly from the norm is sometimes classed as deviancy which then progresses into perversion.

The difficulty is establishing what is the norm?

Well expressed Doc.   

[willie loman]

Well expressed Doc.   

+1, mind you , you could furnish a few examples from your rich and varied life, just joking.

[scutty brown]

As Doc said, first define normal.

A good discussion point is the practices on Pitcairn's Island - where the age of consent was regarded as  12.
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I once spent a good few hours in the pub talking to a chap who was an anthropologist working on Pitcairn at the time of the trial and he was of the firm conviction that the islanders regarded what we would regard as underage sex as normal and desirable - especially in an environment where emigration had left the population at a critical level. From what he said the local women were more concerned over the lack of labour resource if the men were imprisoned (as there would be no-one to grow food) than they were over thoughts of abuse. He even went as far as to say the girls anticipated and encouraged the abuse.

I'm not trying to justify what happened there - it was obviously wrong. My point is that to someone, somewhere, almost any deviant behaviour seems normal.

[meptalon]

Think some sexual terms like hard sports, & water sports or golden shower, some persons dont get what we refer to.  When talking about something like water sports, the other person might think its maybe water polo, but only if they knew

what? UK Punting is not about reviewing boat trips?

[Punterperson1971]

I’ve tried strap on and anal play but never into water sports or cross dressing  that doesn’t interest me at all but my attitude changed towards strap on and anal play with a regular I see,as she’s the one who introduced me to it.
I even tried seeing a tv before last lockdown and still might give it another go at some point,I also like to rim a girl too.

[king tarzan]

I just stick to normal gfe... Like the old porn films...Nikki dial....

[fredhiggins]

There must be some kind of general concensus position for what is and is not considered perverted.
Id stick a stake in the ground and say knicker sniffing ok    hard sports , a bit perverted 

[scutty brown]

I just stick to normal gfe... Like the old porn films...Nikki dial....

None of your punts are normal.....bloody chimpanzees watching all the time

[king tarzan]

None of your punts are normal.....bloody chimpanzees watching all the time

 

[standardpostage]

It's in our nature to have variety.
Different foods, diets, tastes, likes, dislikes, women, sex positions.
Some people like classical music, some punk music, some jazz.
Everyone is as different as their DNA and fingerprints.
As the French say " vive la difference".

[Bonker]

Perversion isn't a line in the sand, in my opinion, or a binary judgement.

It's a perspective.

[king tarzan]

It's in our nature to have variety.
Different foods, diets, tastes, likes, dislikes, women, sex positions.
Some people like classical music, some punk music, some jazz.
Everyone is as different as their DNA and fingerprints.
As the French say " vive la difference".

The great jazz musician
Wes Montgomery

Super el - fantastico 👊👊👊👊👊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊

[bossanova]

Think some sexual terms like hard sports, & water sports or golden shower, some persons dont get what we refer to.  When talking about something like water sports, the other person might think its maybe water polo, but only if they knew

I imagine that there's more people that enjoy getting pissed on or pissing on someone else than there are water polo players in this country – so which one is normal?

[willie loman]

Anyone who thinks europeans are relaxed about sex, knows little of europe, europeans who come to britain get fixed up with a woman very quickly, it doesnt happen the other way about, british cities are scenes of drunken bachanalia every weekend, and foreigners are pretty shocked, though they quickly get the hang of it. And yes i know french politicians dont have to resign if they have a mistress, that proves didddly squat.

[CanOfRedBull]

Aren’t our sexual perversions influenced by pornography and as this becomes more perverse don’t we as individuals.   We are influenced by what we see and areas such as anal, rimming, etc are more prevalent in porn this then makes its way into our day to day lives.   

I’m sure a lot of us only tried something different ( our perverse if you choose to use that word ) because we saw it in a VHS video or online.   Would you have considered it if you had not witnessed it?

[Clitheroelad]

My thing is rimming. I love a girl licking my ass. Maybe its a power thing, I dont know. I also like a good prostate massage, neither of which I get at home. Therefore I pay to receive these services. In my case it wasnt porn but a WG who introduced me to rimming many years ago. Am I perverted, to some maybe but to others probably not. Each of us have our own kinks andblimits. Ive never given or received a Golden Shower and have no desire to do either, but I know plenty who are into it and it doesnt make them any more perverted than me.

[Colston36]

Aren’t our sexual perversions influenced by pornography and as this becomes more perverse don’t we as individuals.   We are influenced by what we see and areas such as anal, rimming, etc are more prevalent in porn this then makes its way into our day to day lives.   

I’m sure a lot of us only tried something different ( our perverse if you choose to use that word ) because we saw it in a VHS video or online.   Would you have considered it if you had not witnessed it?

If you look at 18th century pornography you realise there is nothing new. Also, circumstances affect morals. 5,000 years ago it seems the average age of death was 28. By that age women were grandmothers, having begun their sex lives at 12. I suspect some of us become more kinky with age. I certainly have done things I never dreamt of or fancied after the age of 80.

[cotton]

I imagine that there's more people that enjoy getting pissed on or pissing on someone else than there are water polo players in this country – so which one is normal?

Maybe normal is not playing water polo and not pissing or getting pissed on 

[Doc Holliday]

Aren’t our sexual perversions influenced by pornography and as this becomes more perverse don’t we as individuals.   We are influenced by what we see and areas such as anal, rimming, etc are more prevalent in porn this then makes its way into our day to day lives.   

I’m sure a lot of us only tried something different ( our perverse if you choose to use that word ) because we saw it in a VHS video or online.   Would you have considered it if you had not witnessed it?

Most definitely.. the content and particularly the availability of pornography, has had a massive influence in relatively recent times.

The arena you are discussing the subject in is also relevant. Some in society would class all punters as deviant at the very least    That said the spectrum of sexual activity amongst punters is still considerable and most probably still fall at the vanilla end of it?

One of the differences with paid sex though is that whilst we see some punters remark that they punt because the OH doesn't do CIM or anal etc those activities are still widely available outside of punting and maybe no longer considered as perverse as they were.

However the world of paid sex may allow you to obtain some more highly specialist or unusual practices which are rare to find in civvy land or at least in casual relationships.

[Hobbit]

None of your punts are normal.....bloody chimpanzees watching all the time

And licking mangoes whilst swinging from the trees.

[Hobbit]

To establish what may be considered a perversion you need to establish what is the norm. Straying slightly from the norm is sometimes classed as deviancy which then progresses into perversion.

The difficulty is establishing what is the norm?

This can be influenced by culture, morality (including the R word) but also what is the statistical norm within a given population and culture.

It also changes with time. What would have been considered a perversion in say the 1950s may well not be today, on the basis that the proportion of people admitting to engaging in the activity has increased. It will still be subjective though rather than based on any actual percentage.

That's a very good point. For example, I have always wondered if humans have always participated in oral sex, or was this something that emerged due to someone breaking a taboo? And the same could apply to Anal, Rimming, and CIM.

If it's natural then one would ask, do animals do this? Do they give and receive oral? Has anyone ever seen a hippopotamus rim another hippopotamus? Or a horse giving oral to another horse? I don't think we have which would imply that animals don't behave in such a fashion. So does that mean that as humans we are perverts or we are more creative and enjoy sex more than animals who only participate in sexual activities for breeding?

Interesting questions to ponder on....

[bossanova]

Aren’t our sexual perversions influenced by pornography and as this becomes more perverse don’t we as individuals.   We are influenced by what we see and areas such as anal, rimming, etc are more prevalent in porn this then makes its way into our day to day lives.   

I’m sure a lot of us only tried something different ( our perverse if you choose to use that word ) because we saw it in a VHS video or online.   Would you have considered it if you had not witnessed it?

As a young man the first hardcore porn I saw was 'Pretty Peaches'

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But I've never been 'influenced' enough to try the infamous doctor scene at approx 33mins!!

[sensualencounter]

I’ve got a big thing for a woman taking off her pants and stuffing them in my mouth as a gag. Or to use them to tie me up. Turns me on just thinking of it and wish it would happen more often.

[CanOfRedBull]

As a young man the first hardcore porn I saw was 'Pretty Peaches'

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But I've never been 'influenced' enough to try the infamous doctor scene at approx 33mins!!

Isn’t this what you’re suppose to do before you try anal? Flush out your anal cavity:-)

[Doc Holliday]

Has anyone ever seen a hippopotamus rim another hippopotamus?

It's tempting to reply with a derogatory joke about some SPs 

So does that mean that as humans we are perverts or we are more creative and enjoy sex more than animals who only participate in sexual activities for breeding?

Interesting questions to ponder on....

Yes in theory a perversion is anything that deviates from the primary function of the sexual act which is procreation. I don't think anyone would accept that as being the baseline norm though? 

There is some heavy reading here External Link/Members Only which discusses perversions in general as well as the sexual aspect.

EDIT this is quite a good read also External Link/Members Only

[Horizontal pleasures]

Sniff panties, no way.

My best deviance is to lick and suck a lady until she orgasms if possible, and then snog her deeply so she can taste her own juices. I have often written this in my reviews.

[signy]

In my case? Yes, yes please!

More generally, I think that many punters start off doing the "normal" stuff, and then begin to realise that there is a lot more available and they can try whatever they want if the funds are available. We all have limits, but I think it tends to be in the nature of punters to stretch those as far as possible. Or, as the motorcycle racers say, you don't know how fast you can go until you fall off.

[timsussex]

To establish what may be considered a perversion you need to establish what is the norm. Straying slightly from the norm is sometimes classed as deviancy which then progresses into perversion.

The difficulty is establishing what is the norm?

....

simple definition 1

I'm kinky but you are perverted


simple definition 2

using a feather is kinky but using the whole chicken is perverted

[Lister]

You only have to witness the popularity of Fifty shades of Grey to see the widespread appeal of "perversions" amongst people who would call themselves "normal" 

[S.X. MacHine]

‘Oh, go on. It only seems kinky the first time’!

[Hobbit]

You only have to witness the popularity of Fifty shades of Grey to see the widespread appeal of "perversions" amongst people who would call themselves "normal" 

If you think Fifty Shades of Grey is perverse, then you need to get out more.  That was nothing but a romantic comedy.

There was nothing outrageous in that and we all probably have done more perverse things than Mr Grey.

[Home Alone]

If you think Fifty Shades of Grey is perverse, then you need to get out more.  That was nothing but a romantic comedy.

There was nothing outrageous in that and we all probably have done more perverse things than Mr Grey.

From what I remember of the first book - I didn't see the film - can I suggest  'quite a few of us', rather than the words I've put in bold above?

[nbarnes]

There used to be a thread on here about sniffing panties. I must admit on occasions I have sometimes stolen WGs panties from parlours that I've been in when taking a shower and the laundry basket has been in the room and I've had a good root through. I have though always returned them on a future visit after I've finished with them. Acquiring panties in this way is rather exciting I think and you know they're genuine, not like some that may have been bought from an anonymous vendor.

I love sniffing knickers too - but I've never stolen any. I once sniffed a WGs in front of her and she got well angry.
 
I don't understand why most women have a problem with the scent of their vaginas - it meant our ancient ancestors put their cocks in the right hole.
Vaginal fluid is full of hormones and pheromones and should give a massive biological response.

However, I also quite enjoy the sniffing a women's ass too - you want the scent of musk and sweat though and not the smell of shit.

I am a complete pervert and there's not much (no piss, blood or hardsports) that I won't do - thanks to the joys of adultwork and ukp I am slowing working my way through it all.
Life (and sex) is a buffet - surely you want to try every dish. Knowing that punting (as long as the feminazis are kept in their place) will mean I can still be fucking lush 25 year old skirt when I am old and rich gives me a great deal of joy for the future.

[ulstersubbie]

If you think Fifty Shades of Grey is perverse, then you need to get out more.  That was nothing but a romantic comedy.

There was nothing outrageous in that and we all probably have done more perverse things than Mr Grey.

Agree totally. Hardcore BDSM people found it completely unrealistic and laughable, but it gave normies something to giggle over at dinner parties