Kelani

[billabong]

Maybe not, but the drugs, drink and burnout are.

Agreed. I'm not getting involved with any speculation,

I should potentially have bolded the period part of Tigers response as I think I was the only one who mentioned a period cancellation and wanted to clarify i did not speculate this.

[daviemac]

Agreed. I'm not getting involved with any speculation,

I should potentially have bolded the period part of Tigers response as I think I was the only one who mentioned a period cancellation and wanted to clarify i did not speculate this.

I don't think anyone thought you were speculating, I certainly didn't. I think it was more aimed at Anth, he speculates on everything.

[billabong]

I don't think anyone thought you were speculating, I certainly didn't. I think it was more aimed at Anth, he speculates on everything.

 

[3rdManIn]

I don't think anyone thought you were speculating, I certainly didn't. I think it was more aimed at Anth, he speculates on everything.

I think he speculates oneverything because he’s smashed off his tits on drugs.


I don’t really, but as a statement it has about as much legitimacy as his comment speculating this is why Kelani is cancelling shifts.
I don’t know the girl, never yet managed to get a booking,  and I’m not trying to White Knight or anything here, but this is my point: threads where people start plucking suggestions like this from thin air (in this case Seemingly from a perception that 99% of the region’s WGs are on drugs) lead to what’s happened here, Junie feeling she has to come on and reveal details of a personal medical problem someone’s experiencing. It doesn’t matter what job she does or how irking a late cancellation can be, nobody’s personal issues like that should need to be aired, and wild guesses are just as bad.

Sorry, Anth, if it feels like I’m another one jumping on you. I’m just trying to make a point.

[billabong]

I think he speculates oneverything because he’s smashed off his tits on drugs.


I don’t really, but as a statement it has about as much legitimacy as his comment speculating this is why Kelani is cancelling shifts.
I don’t know the girl, never yet managed to get a booking,  and I’m not trying to White Knight or anything here, but this is my point: threads where people start plucking suggestions like this from thin air (in this case Seemingly from a perception that 99% of the region’s WGs are on drugs) lead to what’s happened here, Junie feeling she has to come on and reveal details of a personal medical problem someone’s experiencing. It doesn’t matter what job she does or how irking a late cancellation can be, nobody’s personal issues like that should need to be aired, and wild guesses are just as bad.

Sorry, Anth, if it feels like I’m another one jumping on you. I’m just trying to make a point.

I think the the general consensus of the thread is speculation is pointless.... personally don't think the agency needed to come on and reveal anything to be honest. Plenty of WG's slip of websites without a trace, we sometimes mention it.... and then move on.

Cannot blame punters on a punting forum for an agency coming on and having to clarify things. We're going to discuss WG's and their current status especially one so new. To be blunt the agency should have let us "get on with it" and then stuck her availability back up when she's back.

[3rdManIn]

That’s fair (if I wasn’t, then apologies).
It’s not really the talking about unreliability that I was getting at, more the suggestions/speculation, especially when it went into the area of drug use. I can see why June needed to step in when it got to that point, because this is a young lass (albeit one old enough to choose this game) starting out and it’s not good that within a few weeks there’s such speculation flying about. I always get the impression that June feels a sense of care towards the girls.
Like I say, though, if people feel my views are wrong then apologies (but they remain my views unless convinced otherwise).

[daviemac]

That’s fair (if I wasn’t, then apologies).
It’s not really the talking about unreliability that I was getting at, more the suggestions/speculation, especially when it went into the area of drug use. I can see why June needed to step in when it got to that point, because this is a young lass (albeit one old enough to choose this game) starting out and it’s not good that within a few weeks there’s such speculation flying about. I always get the impression that June feels a sense of care towards the girls.
Like I say, though, if people feel my views are wrong then apologies (but they remain my views unless convinced otherwise).

To be honest, as you've been a member so long, I'm surprised you don't know what Anth's like, he's been around for ever and is extremely anti drug, to the point of obsession really.

His continued banging on about it and his assumption that every SP in the world is a raving junkie is not right, but you aren't going to stop him. I think most people just ignore it or accept it as 'there he goes again on about drugs as usual'.   Having said that, as most of the replies after his post, which was the first to add speculation, have been in response to that post, maybe more people should ignore him.   

[Mallow841]

To be honest, as you've been a member so long, I'm surprised you don't know what Anth's like, he's been around for ever and is extremely anti drug, to the point of obsession really.

His continued banging on about it and his assumption that every SP in the world is a raving junkie is not right, but you aren't going to stop him. I think most people just ignore it or accept it as 'there he goes again on about drugs as usual'.   Having said that, as most of the replies after his post, which was the first to add speculation, have been in response to that post, maybe more people should ignore him.

You are right.
Maybe it’s best to ignore posts like that and not give them attention (admittedly I did).

[3rdManIn]

To be honest, as you've been a member so long, I'm surprised you don't know what Anth's like, he's been around for ever and is extremely anti drug, to the point of obsession really.

His continued banging on about it and his assumption that every SP in the world is a raving junkie is not right, but you aren't going to stop him. I think most people just ignore it or accept it as 'there he goes again on about drugs as usual'.   Having said that, as most of the replies after his post, which was the first to add speculation, have been in response to that post, maybe more people should ignore him.

It's my own anti-drug feelings that made me feel it was unfair to suggest that, but yes, maybe you're right.

[The Outsider]

I think it's fair enough for June to make it clear that Kelani's reliability problems are not related to drugs, alcohol, or burnout.  She wouldn't be doing much of a job representing her if she let such rumours persist. 

Generalisations and speculation rarely advance the debate on here. 

[AnthG]

His continued banging on about it and his assumption that every SP in the world is a raving junkie is not right, but you aren't going to stop him.

Two things, my post I said hungover. I suggestively implied that hangover was from drink or drugs but did not actually say it. It was everyone else that want on about drugs directly. People could have just taken the implied statement internally and have that be it as opposed to going...You mean drugs right, you mean she's a druggy right, you are meaning drugs by that. And have the implied statement be like a train hitting a brick wall of subtlety.

Secondly. Instead of blaming me for thinking drug use is rife in the NE. Blame the million and one revelations by WGs saying that on the ex-sister site that drug use is rife in the NE.

Blame the fact that when I started a topic saying to all of the agencies that if you booked a WG on your books and asked for a party girl the agency would happily take that booking and send you a girl to do it with you. And all of the agencies bar one (Amy of Bonds) said they'd happily take that booking and played all innocent claiming party girl booking meant you turn on some music and dance in that booking. Like after 20 years of being in this industry they didn't honestly know what party girl meant. All of them.

Or blame the fact that WGs will all give me details of other girls drug use, maybe?

If someone has a problem with something. And then a whole list of people go 'here every one is basically doing it and here are the ones for definite doing it' and multiple people give the same list of names. What did they expect the reaction would be from me other than totally freak out....

[@Allure]

I can’t recall me saying I didn’t know what a party girl is!
I close a lot earlier now so I avoid the guys who are drunk and want party girls so don’t say ALL the agency’s please. I don’t want a big debate about this I’m just stating a fact and won’t comment again on this matter.
Alli x

[billabong]

I can’t recall me saying I didn’t know what a party girl is!
I close a lot earlier now so I avoid the guys who are drunk and want party girls so don’t say ALL the agency’s please. I don’t want a big debate about this I’m just stating a fact and won’t comment again on this matter.
Alli x

He's definitely saying you would of at one point supplied a party girl. Are you saying you've never accepted a party girl booking... because if you cannot say that id get of ya high horse on the subject

[AnthG]

I close a lot earlier now so I avoid the guys who are drunk and want party girls
Alli x

That is actually really seriously good. And I mean that incase the intentions of my post are not clear. That is a good stance to take. I hate these agencies that claim to take bookings at 4am and seemingly have girls sitting there waiting for that to occur. Not good for nobody that.

But saying that I just looked at the site and seen Bonnie is taking bookings till 12am. That is not good as bars usually chuck out at 11pm and thats the problem time I would say 10pm - 12am.

[daviemac]

Two things, my post I said hungover. I suggestively implied that hangover was from drink or drugs but did not actually say it. It was everyone else that want on about drugs directly. People could have just taken the implied statement internally and have that be it as opposed to going...You mean drugs right, you mean she's a druggy right, you are meaning drugs by that. And have the implied statement be like a train hitting a brick wall of subtlety.

Secondly. Instead of blaming me for thinking drug use is rife in the NE. Blame the million and one revelations by WGs saying that on the ex-sister site that drug use is rife in the NE.

Blame the fact that when I started a topic saying to all of the agencies that if you booked a WG on your books and asked for a party girl the agency would happily take that booking and send you a girl to do it with you. And all of the agencies bar one (Amy of Bonds) said they'd happily take that booking and played all innocent claiming party girl booking meant you turn on some music and dance in that booking. Like after 20 years of being in this industry they didn't honestly know what party girl meant. All of them.

Or blame the fact that WGs will all give me details of other girls drug use, maybe?

If someone has a problem with something. And then a whole list of people go 'here every one is basically doing it and here are the ones for definite doing it' and multiple people give the same list of names. What did they expect the reaction would be from me other than totally freak out....

Try reading what you posted again.

Or worse still she has met one of the many pushers in this industry

I may well be wrong but I've always believed the term 'pushers' referred to drug pushers, unless of course you can give me an example of an alcohol pusher.

Drugs are the first thing you mention in any situation, we know it goes on, we know some escorts take drugs, at the same time there are loads who don't. You and I have no idea of how many fall into each category, I therefore believe that, unless proven, they should not be accused.

This thread is about a lass new to the industry who's cancelled shifts, why did you feel the need to start speculating as to the reason for that. Drugs, alcohol, burnt out, you've mentioned the lot, then it turns out she's had a few 'girly' problems, a thing you seem to have no idea about.

I would say good on her for cancelling, better that than 'spotting' during a booking or just shoving a sponge up and hoping for the best.  (Google spotting if you don't know.)

[@Allure]

I know I said I wouldn’t post but no you normally get the crackers booking after 1-2am.
 I close at 11-12am Monday-Thursday.
Fri & Saturday I say late but if no prebookings has came in by 12am I normally call it a night. Wake up to lots of texts and missed calls throughout the night.  Xx

[AnthG]

Try reading what you posted again.

I said implied....And that was it implied.

And see this is what Datwabbit took from that implied statement.

I took your use of pusher to mean pushing herself in everything.

Too far, too fast
Burning candle at both ends
Etc

I did mean drugs. But that is my point now. I never actually said it. I implied it.

[billabong]

I know I said I wouldn’t post but no you normally get the crackers booking after 1-2am.
 I close at 11-12am Monday-Thursday.
Fri & Saturday I say late but if no prebookings has came in by 12am I normally call it a night. Wake up to lots of texts and missed calls throughout the night.  Xx

You can still get a party girl request pre 11pm... so the question is would you accept it.

[@Allure]

You can still get a party girl request pre 11pm... so the question is would you accept it.

I have guys (regulars) who do like to relax and have a drink with the girls so if it’s the last booking and the girl doesn’t mind having a drink with the guy, also has a driver yes I take it.
What I’ve found in the past is guys who take drugs do not pre-book they want the ladies straight away and is normally early hours when their friends have left.
Guys who just want to have a bit fun and a social drink do pre-book as they plan thier night.
Before you ask no I won’t take the druggy bookings if I think they are high.
Definitely last comment this is going off subject.
Xx

[AnthG]

Before you ask no I won’t take the druggy bookings if I think they are high.

But what if some reasonably sounding man phones up and says, I am looking for a party girl to see me at 9pm tonight for a 2hr booking. Who on your books do you think would be best for me to see?

What would you do then? Recommend a girl or refuse the booking outright?

Same applies to all the other agencies too by the way if any of them want to respond to that.

By the way, remember the MissyD scandal was an agency sent a brand new girl on her very first days shift to a 2hr party girl coke booking booked by MissyD where she was expected to take coke in that booking and did not know what to do given she doesn't do it and felt forced into trying, as she was a nervous first day'er. That is the reality in this situation when people claim they're innocent.

And MissyD wasn't sacked or anything after that fiasco too as she was also on another agencies books.

Just saying it was nothing to do with Allure that one, just rasing it as an infamous example.

[billabong]

I have guys (regulars) who do like to relax and have a drink with the girls so if it’s the last booking and the girl doesn’t mind having a drink with the guy, also has a driver yes I take it.
What I’ve found in the past is guys who take drugs do not pre-book they want the ladies straight away and is normally early hours when their friends have left.
Guys who just want to have a bit fun and a social drink do pre-book as they plan thier night.
Before you ask no I won’t take the druggy bookings if I think they are high.
Xx

Then not sure why earlier you stated to Anth you don't take party bookings. You either do or don't. Your interpretation on the "level" of party is just your own version of wiggle room on the matter.

Could write a book on pimps grey areas. Would be a looooooong read.

[Kev3773]

But what if some reasonably sounding man phones up and says, I am looking for a party girl to see me at 9pm tonight for a 2hr booking. Who on your books do you think would be best for me to see?

What would you do then? Recommend a girl or refuse the booking outright?

Same applies to all the other agencies too by the way if any of them want to respond to that.

By the way, remember the MissyD scandal was an agency sent a brand new girl on her very first days shift to a 2hr party girl booking booked by MissyD where she was exected to take drugs in that booking and did not know what to do given she doesn't do them and felt forced into trying them. That is the reality in this situation when people claim they're innocent.

And MissyD wasn't sacked or anything after that fiasco too as she was also on another agencies books.

What are you trying to prove Anth, you're like a dog with a bone

[AnthG]

What are you trying to prove Anth, you're like a dog with a bone

Nothing we just started talking about drugs again and it got me enraged and I have started going off on one.

Talking to me about drugs is like talking to Kevin Keegan about the 1996 football season.

[@Allure]

Then not sure why earlier you stated to Anth you don't take party bookings. You either do or don't. Your interpretation on the "level" of party is just your own version of wiggle room on the matter.

Could write a book on pimps grey areas. Would be a looooooong read.

I was stating the difference between bookings. Since Anth thinks everyone is on coke or alcohol.
Some guys don’t know the meaning of party girls so if someone rang up I would ask what they meant by party girls as some guys just like to have a drink with them. I do know the meaning but for instance I’ve just had one of my regulars text and unfortunately the only girl I have available on Saturday would be stevee and she drives, he says party girls but I know it’s only drink involved as the girls have had many bookings there.
No grey areas here just stating facts.
X

[Premium-Escorts]

The last thing we want is party girls I’m sure all the agencies will agree they lead to trouble.
We all no how many issues come with party girls.

There is a kind of girl who is the life and soul of a party great fun and doesn’t touch drugs thou.

The missyD issue... one thing she wasn’t was a druggie she was not on shift for me.
Amy booked her independently for the new girl. Yes she had coke that night but  usually Dee wouldn’t touch coke. 
 I’d only let Dee do days cause she loved a good drink and I knew if she worked evenings I’d be demented with her cause she use to fall asleep pissed.
I’m not saying Dee was a angel, she should of known better to put a young girl in that situation 
The reason I didn’t take Dee of the agency was because I no she’s not a druggie.
Dee did get took off eventually but wasn’t to do with drugs.

Also before anyone asks i don’t take party jobs
If clients are pissed or high or disrespectful on the phone they get blocked...

Hopefully this doesn’t go on to a big druggie shit storm as it’s named Kelani

[@Allure]

The last thing we want is party girls I’m sure all the agencies will agree they lead to trouble.
We all no how many issues come with party girls.

There is a kind of girl who is the life and soul of a party great fun and doesn’t touch drugs thou. [/glow]



Totally agree with you June xx

[AnthG]

I was stating the difference between bookings. Since Anth thinks everyone is on coke or alcohol.
Some guys don’t know the meaning of party girls so if someone rang up I would ask what they meant by party girls.
No grey areas here just stating facts.
X

Grey areas? you are skirting around this issue better than a politician.

If a polite nice-sounding guy phones up saying Hi, I want a 2hr party girl booking for 9pm tonight. who on your books would be best for me to see please.

And you ask him what exactly do you mean by party girl? And he says, well I have just got myself five grams of pure uncut columbian gold right here and I want someone to try it with me tonight for some fun.

What would you do. Hang up or take the booking and send a girl?

[roboeggman]

I did mean drugs. But that is my point now. I never actually said it. I implied it.

You can't imply something like that and then somehow say it isn't your fault for bringing it up because you didn't use the specific word.

I can't imagine why your first assumption was drugs anyway, but I won't speculate.

[daviemac]

I said implied....And that was it implied.

You did not say implied, you suggested what the reason was.   

We are now on reply #78 all because of the total bollocks you are posting, for fucks sake give your head a shake.

[@Allure]

Grey areas? you are skirting around this issue better than a politician.

If a polite nice-sounding guy phones up saying Hi, I want a 2hr party girl booking for 9pm tonight. who on your books would be best for me to see please.

And you ask him what exactly do you mean by party girl? And he says, well I have just got myself five grams of pure uncut columbian gold right here and I want someone to try it with me tonight for some fun.

What would you do. Hang up or take the booking and send a girl?

My answer would be NO Like I said before I wouldn’t take the druggie bookings   

[AnthG]

We are now on reply #78 all because of the total bollocks you are posting, for fucks sake give your head a shake.

Hopefully this doesn’t go on to a big druggie shit storm as it’s named Kelani

Sorry, won't say another thing. I promise.

[daviemac]

Sorry, won't say another thing. I promise.

That is the best thing you've said on here, stick to it for the simple reason you’re now bringing up shit from years ago that has nothing to do with this.

You’re turning this into your own personal which hunt and you are totally out of order.

[johnny34]

Sorry, won't say another thing. I promise.

I somehow doubt that very much 

[billabong]

I somehow doubt that very much 

I'm gonna back he'll stay quiet on this thread now... No doubt it'll drift in to obscurity for that very reason.

[Prestige Escorts]

Two things, my post I said hungover. I suggestively implied that hangover was from drink or drugs but did not actually say it. It was everyone else that want on about drugs directly. People could have just taken the implied statement internally and have that be it as opposed to going...You mean drugs right, you mean she's a druggy right, you are meaning drugs by that. And have the implied statement be like a train hitting a brick wall of subtlety.

Secondly. Instead of blaming me for thinking drug use is rife in the NE. Blame the million and one revelations by WGs saying that on the ex-sister site that drug use is rife in the NE.

Blame the fact that when I started a topic saying to all of the agencies that if you booked a WG on your books and asked for a party girl the agency would happily take that booking and send you a girl to do it with you. And all of the agencies bar one (Amy of Bonds) said they'd happily take that booking and played all innocent claiming party girl booking meant you turn on some music and dance in that booking. Like after 20 years of being in this industry they didn't honestly know what party girl meant. All of them.




Or blame the fact that WGs will all give me details of other girls drug use, maybe?

If someone has a problem with something. And then a whole list of people go 'here every one is basically doing it and here are the ones for definite doing it' and multiple people give the same list of names. What did they expect the reaction would be from me other than totally freak out....

I would never send a party girl if asked I never have either as our phone is off at 10pm I never send girls out later than that  I have had girls walk out of a call where drugs are offered

[Shutty238]

As I naively opened this thread am I able to lock it down as it's now clearly morphed into something entirely unintended?

Although I think Junie was forced into representing her girl with personal details because of totally unwarranted speculation, I'm glad she did. It now means I'm aware Kelani is considerate of her clients, her health, and clearly has a communicative relationship with Junie. On that basis I am likely to try and meet with her again.

Thanks

[Kev3773]

I've seen Kelani twice and she's a lovely lass. I know  she had some personal issues but didn't think  it was for me to share. Hopefully  this ridiculous thread can be put to bed now, thanks to Juneys  enforced input. Also hope Kelani can get sorted 

[johnny34]

I've seen Kelani twice and she's a lovely lass. I know  she had some personal issues but didn't think  it was for me to share. Hopefully  this ridiculous thread can be put to bed now, thanks to Juneys  enforced input. Also hope Kelani can get sorted 

+1

[Prestige Escorts]

As I naively opened this thread am I able to lock it down as it's now clearly morphed into something entirely unintended?

Although I think Junie was forced into representing her girl with personal details because of totally unwarranted speculation, I'm glad she did. It now means I'm aware Kelani is considerate of her clients, her health, and clearly has a communicative relationship with Junie. On that basis I am likely to try and meet with her again.

Thanks

Agree it was gone totally off the topic you started

[daviemac]

I had rather hope that, as everything that needs to said has been said, it would be allowed to drift down and off the page. Continued posting just keeps it at the top.

[FLYING BLUE]

Why not just move on and book someone else.
Kelani  may have some issues that she is trying to deal with and speculations about whether she is on drugs, having a drink problem or having a period dont help at all.
Give her a bit space and see what happens.
 

Very well said

All the needless speculation on here is extremely unhelpful at worst & gossipy at best

[tynetunnel]

As I naively opened this thread am I able to lock it down as it's now clearly morphed into something entirely unintended?

Although I think Junie was forced into representing her girl with personal details because of totally unwarranted speculation, I'm glad she did. It now means I'm aware Kelani is considerate of her clients, her health, and clearly has a communicative relationship with Junie. On that basis I am likely to try and meet with her again.

Thanks

It’s a shame that Kelani’s medical issues have had to be discussed to squash insinuations or rumours. I for one would have no problem seeing her, and I trust Junie, she has always been totally honest with me, so I have no reason to think otherwise. As usual what should have been a short thread, has turned into a really long thread. It’s habitual with Anth.

I Kelani feels better soon and returns to work, untarnished by this thread. I look forward to meeting her

[AnthG]

As usual what should have been a short thread, has turned into a really long thread. It’s habitual with Anth.

The reason why its a long thread is after a mod has said twice to let the thread die. People always want to come and chip in their 2 cents worth. That is not me doing that. I said I wasn't going to post in it no more. Which I am doing one more post as somehow I am being blamed for all these 2 cents chip in posts.

[daviemac]

I had rather hope that, as everything that needs to said has been said, it would be allowed to drift down and off the page. Continued posting just keeps it at the top.

 

[tynetunnel]

The reason why its a long thread is after a mod has said twice to let the thread die. People always want to come and chip in their 2 cents worth. That is not me doing that. I said I wasn't going to post in it no more. Which I am doing one more post as somehow I am being blamed for all these 2 cents chip in posts.

The reason it’s a long thread is cos so far 21 of the posts are yours! 

Surely I’m allowed to have an a opinion and leave a comment though DM, it is a forum after all

[daviemac]

The reason it’s a long thread is cos so far 21 of the posts are yours! 

Surely I’m allowed to have an a opinion and leave a comment though DM, it is a forum after all

Of course you are, it just seems to be a bit ironic that you hope she isn't tarnished by this thread yet by posting that you keep it at the top of the board and bring more attention to it.

Personally I think it's a shame this thread has gone the way it has and we all know where the blame lies for that. It has been suggested it should be locked, that isn't going to happen, that isn't the way the site works.

If people want to keep posting they are free to do so, however as I said I had hope some common sense would prevail and it would be allowed to drop off the page. This is my own personal opinion and nothing to do with any kind of moderation.   

[AnthG]

Personally I think it's a shame this thread has gone the way it has and we all know where the blame lies for that. It has been suggested it should be locked, that isn't going to happen, that isn't the way the site works.

Can you not split it into two then? Please.

I reported my own post to suggest that earlier this afternoon

[daviemac]

Can you not split it into two then? Please.

I reported my own post to suggest that earlier this afternoon

No, it can't be done, it would cause confusion. Kelani is mentioned and referenced too many times in posts throughout the thread, a split off topic would not make sense.

I've given the best solution and that is to stop posting and let it disappear, I can't make people do it though.

[johnr1]

Well this post has got way out of hand now, starting off with Kelani cancelling a few shifts and all kinds
Of speculation thrown at the girl

For what it is worth you can tell when someone has a drug or alcohol problem and
Imo the reason why Kalani has cancelled a few shifts is not to do with drugs or drink
So the speculation does not help

[daviemac]

Well this post has got way out of hand now, starting off with Kelani cancelling a few shifts and all kinds
Of speculation thrown at the girl

For what it is worth you can tell when someone has a drug or alcohol problem and
Imo the reason why Kalani has cancelled a few shifts is not to do with drugs or drink
So the speculation does not help

This is what doesn't help.

What good does it do to bring it back to the top of the board to say something that has been said several times before.   

When did you see her in person to be able to state what is or isn't the reason for her cancelling shifts.