Independent Review of NI escort laws 2019

[pussylover76]

Not sure if it's ok to post a direct link?

If you "google" this it will take you there.

A REVIEW OF THE CRIMINALISATION OF PAYING FOR SEXUAL SERVICES IN NORTHERN IRELAND

Very interesting reading.

A commentator on the radio today stated the new legislation in NI is a failed social experiment. 

[Steely Dan]

These papers?
External Link/Members Only

Looks like a bad law.  Many claims such as
This research has found that the legislation has had a minimal effect on either the
demand or supply of commercial sexual services therefore it is difficult to see in what
way it could impact on human trafficking for sexual exploitation.

[belfastpunter]

Banning paying for sex, banning abortion, banning gay marriage, oppressing irish language, brexit. Everything in this backwater is a failed social experiment.

Funny the DUP only picked up on sex slavery. Dont see them trying to apply blanket ban on domestic workers, farm produce, tarmac driveways or any of the other shit that modern day slaves are made to do.

[pussylover76]

This was a NI board post.
Can I ask why it was moved to the main board and the subject changed?

[James999]

This was a NI board post.
Can I ask why it was moved to the main board and the subject changed?

The title  change makes ense as it adds clarity,

As for moving it from the NI forum to the main forum, totally pointless, why move it just because you can 

[pussylover76]

The reason I titled the subject the way I did was not to attract attention to it. That's the whole point. Where I live it's a criminal offence to punt. Hence we are a bit more discrete over here.

I ask again. Why was this thread moved to the main board and the subject changed?

[James999]

Moved it back to original & correct forum.

If you want the title changed back then clearly request it and it can be done. 

[pussylover76]

Why should I? Just put it back to the original. It clearly states in the original post what it is.

[James999]

Why should I? Just put it back to the original. It clearly states in the original post what it is.

Don't tell me what to do, I was trying to help you, moved it back, sort it out yourself you arrogant prick 

[pussylover76]

What the fuck is up with this place?

I put a new post on the NI board. The subject title is changed and the thread is moved to another board without my knowledge.
When I ask why and ask for it to be put back I get called an arrogant prick.

[daviemac]

Why should I? Just put it back to the original. It clearly states in the original post what it is.

It wasn't James who moved it, or changed the title, it was one of the 'helpers'. James was trying to help you out. If you wanted the title changed all you had to do was say what you wanted it changed to.

[Steely Dan]

I moved it to main board since it is of interest to all punters, not just NI punters.  I changed title to make it clear.  Why have an unclear title?  You afraid of MI5?  They can read the detail you know.

You don't own content once you post ... read the rules. But we are just trying to help punters. - I would never change a title or move something to piss anyone off.  I considered starting a new thread but it seemed pointless.

Back to topic: The more I read this the more clear it is that the Scandinavian model is shit!  The experiment is a clear fail.

[pussylover76]

Bye. 

[Home Alone]

The title  change makes ense as it adds clarity,

As for moving it from the NI forum to the main forum, totally pointless, why move it just because you can 

You make it sound like you've never punted in Northern Ireland, James.

One reason for moving the thread might be that some of us, who get about a bit, may visit the Six Counties from time to time, either on business or on holiday, and might need to be aware of the very different social climate that applies there.

For example, I was in Belfast for the best part of a week this time last year and found it impossible to set up either an Incall or an Outcall to the hotel I was staying in. I'm fairly sure that, if I'd been in a city of a similar size to Belfast on this side of the Irish Sea, I would have had no problems setting up such a meeting.

[NelsonH]

Thanks for moving this to the main board.

It clearly is of general interest for the reason that if prohibition is seen to fail in NI it's unlikely to be any more successful here.

So this is good news and we are short of that!

[xyfek]

Thanks for moving this to the main board.

It clearly is of general interest for the reason that if prohibition is seen to fail in NI it's unlikely to be any more successful here.

So this is good news and we are short of that!

I very much doubt that evidence of the ineffectiveness of the so-called "Nordic Model" will have any bearing on whether it becomes law over here or not.

At the end of the day, it's a political choice as prone to lobbying and societal pressures as any other. And for quite some time the wind has been blowing in that direction.

[LLPunting]

These papers?
External Link/Members Only

Looks like a bad law.  Many claims such as
This research has found that the legislation has had a minimal effect on either the
demand or supply of commercial sexual services therefore it is difficult to see in what
way it could impact on human trafficking for sexual exploitation.

Thanks for the link.

Read the first half + conclusions of External Link/Members Only

Which made for an interesting read that aligns with the anecdotal evidence of UKP collective experience.  Worth dipping into and a necessary read for anyone involved in or influential on the UK legislation to come.

If you must avoid the revealing detail because you're a zealot or cba rather than an informed rationalist then read the summary External Link/Members Only

Reference was made to External Link/Members Only so will need to dip into that too.

[jesse4585]

I very much doubt that evidence of the ineffectiveness of the so-called "Nordic Model" will have any bearing on whether it becomes law over here or not.

At the end of the day, it's a political choice as prone to lobbying and societal pressures as any other. And for quite some time the wind has been blowing in that direction.

Maybe. A few days back there was a big win for the pro sex work side. I.e. the Sheffield Spearmint Rhinos being allowed to stay open, despite apparent evidence of 200 or so infractions. Not saying you're reading the wind wrong,  but there seem to have been quite a few Christians & Feminists lobbying on the pro sex work side...

[ulstersubbie]

Banning paying for sex, banning abortion, banning gay marriage, oppressing irish language, brexit. Everything in this backwater is a failed social experiment.

Yep, hence the reason why I only punt across the water. N Ireland will embrace the modern world, eventually...... 

[LLPunting]

Summary of "Beyond the Gaze" research at above link looks promising.

Another link to details of it: External Link/Members Only

[leo14]

Banning paying for sex, banning abortion, banning gay marriage, oppressing irish language, brexit. Everything in this backwater is a failed social experiment.

Funny the DUP only picked up on sex slavery. Dont see them trying to apply blanket ban on domestic workers, farm produce, tarmac driveways or any of the other shit that modern day slaves are made to do.

That's because sex is involved.  If people cared for the welfare of others by advocating the criminalisation of sex work you would think there'd apply it elsewhere in life like wanting imported consumer goods made by sweatshops and child labour to be prohibited but that doesn't really happen.  None of the countries that have applied the "Nordic law" does this as far as I know, even though it's hypocritical.  Wonder how many people who advocate this position have bought jewellery that has been sourced from torture camps that involve rape, let alone the sports goods or Apple products made by sweatshops, or children sourcing cocoa, tea, and coffee when they're supposed to be in school.

[LLPunting]

Spreadsheet of human trafficking stats for Jan-Mar 2019.
External Link/Members Only

Also interesting.

Looks like we should be spotting Albanians, Chinese, Nigerians, Vietnamese... looks like Romanians might be more likely to be complicit, independent scammers!

[Jonestown]

Julie Bindel's response to NI Escort Law review :-

External Link/Members Only

[Steely Dan]

Julie Bindel's response to NI Escort Law review :-

External Link/Members Only

Yikes - she makes up facts in her response.  She complains about bias, but then just quotes Rachel Moran as a source. 

She is all about thinking all escorts are forced into it.  I am 100% against that too.  But why not let me pay a nice indie girl for an hour of fun?

[smiths]

Yikes - she makes up facts in her response.  She complains about bias, but then just quotes Rachel Moran as a source. 

She is all about thinking all escorts are forced into it.  I am 100% against that too.  But why not let me pay a nice indie girl for an hour of fun?

The why is because that would be contrary to Bindel and her ilks crusade to get punters criminalised here as well. They don't want men to have the legal choice of paying for sex, or adult WGs the free choice of being a WG. Punters are abusing scum in her book, and WGs are victims of abuse whether they agree they are or not.

It will be around the issue of trafficking in my view that a Nordic type model could come in here, Bindel and her ilk use this issue to help them, they also have a massive advantage over many WGs and punters. They can go public and on camera and spout their rubbish, a lot of WGs and punters cant.

[LLPunting]

The why is because that would be contrary to Bindel and her ilks crusade to get punters criminalised here as well. They don't want men to have the legal choice of paying for sex, or adult WGs the free choice of being a WG. Punters are abusing scum in her book, and WGs are victims of abuse whether they agree they are or not.

It will be around the issue of trafficking in my view that a Nordic type model could come in here, Bindel and her ilk use this issue to help them, they also have a massive advantage over many WGs and punters. They can go public and on camera and spout their rubbish, a lot of WGs and punters cant.

Thankfully, rational, intelligent researchers will be available this time to debate and defend their work against the likes of hysterical zealots who have nothing of substance to disprove or discredit the approach and analysis presented.