Spellcheck didn’t pick that up, oaf.
“I’d”
But then I’d expect nothing else. Discussions, with you, are indeed pointless.
I am unable to decipher your posts.
Get a Nuttall’s Thesaurus.
It’ll help you with writing.
I’m off for a G&T
 

A Nuttall's Thesaurus? 

I thought it was Roget's Thesaurus; Nuttall's were the Mintoes people, weren't they?

So in effect, they made the Mintoes to sustain you on those cold, lonely nights as you struggled with the enormity of quadratic equations and calculus in your lonely bedroom at 10.30 at night, with John Peel playing in your left ear as you revised for your up and coming exams.

If only I'd made the connection all those years ago.

Never done it, never will. I mean, I'd never get into a relationship with any woman now, let alone a WG.

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Nuttall's did those little booklets of mathematical tables - logs, square roots, trigonometry, navigation and such like

Fuck me, I must be old, I remember those at school.

Jeez 11 pages haha based on my research OnlyFans now has a lot of ladies, that includes 40+ years olds making money of men that just need to skip to the menu, none of the date me & wine me until the ladies confirms the money spent is enough for her to give consent.

Also there's a rise in SA relationships, soon we will have apps that do the whole verification and matching process then deliver the SP to your door via UBER.

In a nut shell men punt in order to have sex with women they will other-wise not get to be submissive to then in real life.

Why spend weeks on an average girl when you can go straight to the main course with a stunner.

It's be best to enjoy it while it last, the girls will move onto the next guy when you or her get bored.

With OnlyFans, Insta and Dating Apps the next bidder is a subscription away.

If you move in some circles you will understand my point, its the same girls you see all time " she can't be loyal and will never be mate "

Imagine the attention you get in a stripper bar, once you leave the venue or get tired of spending she's onto the next - that how this works in real life or relationship with an SP.

Jeez 11 pages haha based on my research OnlyFans now has a lot of ladies, that includes 40+ years olds making money of men that just need to skip to the menu, none of the date me & wine me until the ladies confirms the money spent is enough for her to give consent.

Also there's a rise in SA relationships, soon we will have apps that do the whole verification and matching process then deliver the SP to your door via UBER.

In a nut shell men punt in order to have sex with women they will other-wise not get to be submissive to then in real life.

Why spend weeks on an average girl when you can go straight to the main course with a stunner.

It's be best to enjoy it while it last, the girls will move onto the next guy when you or her get bored.

With OnlyFans, Insta and Dating Apps the next bidder is a subscription away.

If you move in some circles you will understand my point, its the same girls you see all time " she can't be loyal and will never be mate "

Imagine the attention you get in a stripper bar, once you leave the venue or get tired of spending she's onto the next - that how this works in real life or relationship with an SP.

There's another sweeping generalisation which is based on your circles and fits your personal MO, but which may not fit others' requirements.

Jeez 11 pages haha based on my research OnlyFans now has a lot of ladies, that includes 40+ years olds making money of men that just need to skip to the menu, none of the date me & wine me until the ladies confirms the money spent is enough for her to give consent.

Also there's a rise in SA relationships, soon we will have apps that do the whole verification and matching process then deliver the SP to your door via UBER.

In a nut shell men punt in order to have sex with women they will other-wise not get to be submissive to then in real life.

Why spend weeks on an average girl when you can go straight to the main course with a stunner.

It's be best to enjoy it while it last, the girls will move onto the next guy when you or her get bored.

With OnlyFans, Insta and Dating Apps the next bidder is a subscription away.

If you move in some circles you will understand my point, its the same girls you see all time " she can't be loyal and will never be mate "

Imagine the attention you get in a stripper bar, once you leave the venue or get tired of spending she's onto the next - that how this works in real life or relationship with an SP.

Dating apps are generally broken. They're not interested in us, they are businesses and want to make money for themselves. They tell you to "join for free", then ask you for more and more money. Even after you've subscribed they tell you the recipients won't be able to see your messages unless you send them more money. You get fed up with the number of people who don't reply to your messages at all even though they log in to the site, plus the fact that the reason to join is to find unattached women, not those with 8 other men after them.

Aside from that, I'm also potentially too busy to too independent to be in a proper relationship so the best thing for me is casual dates, but then I need a site that supports that, with women interested in actually meeting men rather than getting into that one special relationship.

In an ideal dating site, everybody pays one fee to join, you're able to hook up with people fairly easily and people are not told when you have viewed their profile because I hate that, but you can show an interest in a profile and the other party will be shown yours.

All that, however, is completely different from punting. In a punting scenario I have to pay the woman money, but other than that, it's stacked mostly on my side:
 - I choose who I wish to see. I approach the one I want, they don't approach me
 - She doesn't get the hump if I "ignore" her for a few weeks then wish to see her again
 - I'm allowed to see other women in between
 - She's expected to provide me sex, the way I like it.

For many that is enough to not want to be "in a relationship" but some escorts will offer social-time dates at a lower price, maybe at certain times of the day / week, and so those who enjoy it can choose to see such escorts, but it's still a similar kind of relationship to the second one.

If we go back to my first point of a "casual dating" site then use that to find regular "date" experience and then book escorts for sex. Best of both worlds really. Who needs a relationship?

If you refer back to Anths list of potential issues when dating a hooker right at the top of the list , numero 1 is ;
"1. She will spend all your money willy nilly. Usually on drugs. She has no concept of the value of money so will think spending £200 on coke is totally ok even though the Electricity is due to be paid"
Ie , the concern of being a "whores cashpoint" is a legitimate concern when discussing the wisdom of dating/getting involved with a hooker.

There is a reason why I put that as number 1 on my list. It is a real phenomena, and no normal man can handle this. I have been an (unofficial) Sugar Daddy to an escort before, and chatted to many over their spending habits. And it is disturbing.

Me I would phone up my bank and argue to the death if they overcharged me £5. A working girl will think "ah its only £200 I've wiped me arse with that before". And when you are dating, and thus financially supporting someone with that attitude to money it is alarming, depressing and totally unsustainable for you to manage.

So if you actually wanted to long term date a WG. You would need to ASAP turn into Psychiatrist Joe and find a way to break that perception of money they have formed. Many other women in their early 20s can survive a full week on £68 job seekers money and nothing else. A working girl, that's one meal for them ordered out takeaway. And I am not exaggerating too. And they will literally say and think, "I need to survive, I need to eat". Not thinking that £70 takeaway was maybe extravagant and they should have just bought something from Adli for £1.50 instead.

So if you want to date them, you need to fix their brains about the weird perception of the value of money, and ASAP get them off coke. Get them off it immediately.

You also need to get her to never speak to her friends again, as her friends will be Johnny-Smash-Heed. She will have terrible friends. The worst people imaginable will be her close circle of friends formed from inside this job. So you can never let them come around to your house as they will literally come back with baseball bats to rob you or even just rob you when they are there.

And before anyone accuses me of generalising. I am going to say, not all WGs will be like this. Like I said my ideal WG; educated, and classy, e.g like I said before Bethany Diamond, she probably spends her evenings with a hot cup of cocoa reading Margaret Atwood books or something like that. So fine, date her if you can big style.

I am talking about the typical 20 something year old you will encounter on this job who you likely will date. The good ones wont date you. It will be the trainwrecks who date you so my concerns are very relevant.

As WW says more generalisations based on your very very limited experience, you have shown the extent of the research you put into anything, a member here since 2017 and you don't seem to be aware of the 'punting wiki' let alone the glossary it contains, something you suggested someone should start.   

Try and understand, if you can, not everyone is the same, not everyone is as narrow minded as you and that people from all walks of life are capable of forming relationships.

@daviemac Nice catch about the glossary on UKP wiki, if the information has been provided then point the requestor in the right direction.

I personally have only used the wiki once for looking at the way reviews should be written and then afterwards suggested it to newbies that struggled with writing a review.

Regards being a member since 2017 that's just you getting defensive and switching to insult mode - the fact is I have a job and very tight busy schedule, I'm not gifted with the type of time you spend posting and moderating this forum, so if that's your mastery then be proud of it because you've earned the title.

With regard's to my post the message is simple this type of women want freebies all the time, thats why there's both men & women on seeking sites and only fans, maybe dating app wasn't a good example but if you use it well you can skip the whole milage tricks.

Back to the question, its best to keep it simple - the reason sites like UKP, Onlyfans and Seeking exist is because men have discovered it's better to make an arrangement then pay to play than pay for the possibility of playing - which is what you get from multiple dates.

When you stop paying to play and make her wifey its a gamble.

There's a lot of hardworking independent women that have their own money with less baggage why complicate your life more.

Its not generalisation or misogyny its a fact, when you push your own side of the envelope to far and hard that's just you trying to manipulate folks into accepting your views and opinion.

On a finally note I know a lots of married girls / women that work in FKK, the marriages seem to have worked, butt their definitely not married to 9-5 blokes, just lazy twats that are in the relationship for the money these SP's makes. They probably started by pimping them and have other girls that work for them.

@daviemac Nice catch about the glossary on UKP wiki, if the information has been provided then point the requestor in the right direction.

I personally have only used the wiki once for looking at the way reviews should be written and then afterwards suggested it to newbies that struggled with writing a review.

Regards being a member since 2017 that's just you getting defensive and switching to insult mode - the fact is I have a job and very tight busy schedule, I'm not gifted with the type of time you spend posting and moderating this forum, so if that's your mastery then be proud of it because you've earned the title.

With regard's to my post the message is simple this type of women want freebies all the time, thats why there's both men & women on seeking sites and only fans, maybe dating app wasn't a good example but if you use it well you can skip the whole milage tricks.

Back to the question, its best to keep it simple - the reason sites like UKP, Onlyfans and Seeking exist is because men have discovered it's better to make an arrangement then pay to play than pay for the possibility of playing - which is what you get from multiple dates.

When you stop paying to play and make her wifey its a gamble.

There's a lot of hardworking independent women that have their own money with less baggage why complicate your life more.

Its not generalisation or misogyny its a fact, when you push your own side of the envelope to far and hard that's just you trying to manipulate folks into accepting your views and opinion.

On a finally note I know a lots of married girls / women that work in FKK, the marriages seem to have worked, butt their definitely not married to 9-5 blokes, just lazy twats that are in the relationship for the money these SP's makes. They probably started by pimping them and have other girls that work for them.

Read my post again, my comment was in reply to your reference to the research you have done, the fact you didn't research the very site you post on before asking for something that already exists, gives me the impression your 'research' is of little value.

BTW I don't insult people I state facts, you have been a member since 2017, you should be aware of various aspects of the site. However like so many others you want everything handed to you on a plate. There is a very useful search function, basic top right and more options top left. By simply typing 'glossary' in the top right gets you this as the first option.

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As far as the amount of time I spend on here is concerned, perhaps you need some lessons in how better to manage the time available to you.

"the typical 20 year old you will encounter" let alone trying to make a date with her.

Perhaps I'm writing from a different perspective from you, Anth, I don't know; but at this stage of my life I'm happy with those friendships, knowing that the two women referred to in that reply who are still with us are both proper friends who attended my 70th birthday party - albeit with cover stories about how I met them! - and will hopefully be at my local crematorium and afterwards in the pub to raise a glass to my memory.

When I used to say this about escorts on another forum, Durham Lad would always come along and say, its not just escorts. University students are often train wreck party all night coke heads too.

So it is not just escorts I am talking about. It could just be an entire generation of girls in their 20s (DMs really going to kill me for generalising now but hopefully people know what I mean by that, not all 20 year olds)

When a WG hits her mid 30s. That may be when it changes. I have only seen two mid 30s escorts; Keeva and Bethany, and they were the two best escorts I have ever seen. Down to earth and fun and likely never touched any substance.

So it could be an age thing. But my inkling is, with nothing but my own guesswork to support that inkling, but these guys fantasizing about dating escorts and starting these topics. They are thinking of the 20 year olds they want to date.

I say this as the sensible down to earth girls in their mid 30s. You wouldn't even have any concerns, you'd just do it and not even care you have. They are starting these topics as they know its a bad idea, and that means, they are meaning the 20 somethings.

I am in my mid-50s.

The type of person I am likely to date will be over 40 and probably closer to 50 or even more.
My typical escort I visit is around 32-42 years old.

Most women in their 30s and even up to about 45 have no interest in dating a man over 50. That's where "sugar babe / daddy" relationships occur, because such women will "date" an older man for a period of time in return for financial favours. But usually only for a period of time.

Women in their 50s are likely to have more in common with me if we go out on dates, and it won't look strange. They may be divorced and have grown-up children so are relatively free people, but like me the bitter experience of a marriage that ended may mean they don't want to enter another one and may simply be happy to meet people for the sake of it. That is the kind of woman I am looking to meet for a casual dating experience.

As a man of my age, I simply won't book an escort who is too young. That is also why it is foolish to lie about their age and pretend to be younger. They think men want girls under 25 but forget most of us are over 50 and don't.

I am in my mid-50s.

The type of person I am likely to date will be over 40 and probably closer to 50 or even more.
My typical escort I visit is around 32-42 years old.

Most women in their 30s and even up to about 45 have no interest in dating a man over 50. That's where "sugar babe / daddy" relationships occur, because such women will "date" an older man for a period of time in return for financial favours. But usually only for a period of time.

Women in their 50s are likely to have more in common with me if we go out on dates, and it won't look strange. They may be divorced and have grown-up children so are relatively free people, but like me the bitter experience of a marriage that ended may mean they don't want to enter another one and may simply be happy to meet people for the sake of it. That is the kind of woman I am looking to meet for a casual dating experience.

As a man of my age, I simply won't book an escort who is too young. That is also why it is foolish to lie about their age and pretend to be younger. They think men want girls under 25 but forget most of us are over 50 and don't.

Very true, Mr_S. Sounds like my experience, especially since the punting experience taught me not to be so self-conscious around women.  It's casual dates I look for with civvies these days.

You've come across on this thread like a manipulator that gets into a rage when folks have failed to accept your side of the argument.

If you read my post again I said one might exist, if not create one and I was kindly advised that one existed.

As far as the amount of time I spend on here is concerned, perhaps you need some lessons in how better to manage the time available to you

I've worked in the City for years and have attended seminars, workshops etc which included time management so I need no lessons, thanks for the suggestion anyway.

It'd be best to not take this too personal and accept that when OP's asked this question no response will outweigh the other.

You were the one to raise the issue of time spent on here in a quite condescending manner I might add. Regarding the glossary you actually said "There should be an FAQ for abbreviations,  if not maybe someone can start one." not the one might exist as you now claim. When in fact a simple use of the search function would reveal one does exist.

I have said many times on this thread everyone is entitled to their opinion, however what they are not entitled to do is tell me what I would or should think or make unfounded sweeping generalisations. I have said all along people are different, some will be able to accept escorts others won't.

If you can't understand those points then there's nothing I can do about that.

I will say this one more time, for Anth's benefit as well it is not the opinions of others I object to it is sweeping generalisations, like no punter could do this, no punter could do that, all escorts take drugs,etc etc. People should have the courage of their convictions to stand up and say "I couldn't do this I couldn't do that" don't try to include others in their own failings.

Also don't try and tell me what my reaction to my own children would be. If members here would disown their children because of sex work, that is their choice, don't assume everyone is the same though.

Finally you are entitled to whatever opinion of me you have, I have no desire or need to try and alter that.  Oh and I stand by my opinion regarding any research you may have done, or not done in this case.

This is what will happen,

This is the problem Anth and why you are clashing with Davie and others. Had you said "may happen" you wouldn't have a problem, but your wording is always in the absolute.

Of course many escorts will fleece guys but not all.

This is the problem Anth and why you are clashing with Davie and others. Had you said "may happen" you wouldn't have a problem, but your wording is always in the absolute.

Of course many escorts will fleece guys but not all.

I still had time to change it. Thanks DH.

You're making the sweeping generalisation that all those in high income jobs can't adjust afterwards.

I am not, this is about a specific group of people who maybe cannot seemingly adjust sometimes.

You've done it again should be may not

Changed it also, thanks again. Seriously DH, if you followed me around doing this I likely will never get in an argument on the forums again being accused of generalising 

Ok, can I seriously ask you. It is relevant to the topic. And please don't say I would never do this as that is a bit of a cop out.

You start dating a 25 year old escort. She quits the job for you and gives you her undivided attention. She messages you as she needs new clothes, and she only buys the best so she wants £250 for clothes. She wont shop at Primark like everyone else does, no, she must shop at the best and she is your girlfriend and she needs the money for new clothes as hers are a few weeks old now.

She messages you as she is starving, she has no money, she needs money to eat. She messages you as she needs her hair cut. She messages you as the rent is due, the landlord is going to kick me out, what do I do, I am so afraid I am going to be kicked out. I need £200 for rent.

So this is what may possibly happen, will you say to her, sorry love, naff off. Or would you give her it. Or what would you do. She is your girlfriend remember, who thinks the world is ending (quite literally) as she cannot get her hair cut and cannot afford it.

You are either going to say no, and upset her, and thus, you are no longer dating her as a direct result. Start mass arguments with her over, why can you not just better manage your goddamned money a bit better like normal girls can do. Or cave in and give her it to keep her happy.

So what would you, or anyone else who wants to chip in on this do, as this is the real life consequences of dating a prossie. They've lived a life where they finish a days shift with £500 all tax free to do what they like. If they have a problem, that they need money for like new clothes or something, they just log into adultwork and work a few hours for it. Now she is retired and dating you. And has the same spending mannerism developed over years of the above?

If you want a date a prostitute, that is one of your biggest hurdles you may need to find a solution to. That is not generalising, that is a logical conclusion to reach of a very real issue.

If she's given up her prossie job she should go and get a normal job, and then she can pay her bills. If she makes enough money in her normal job she can buy designer clothes with it if that's her wish.

Ok, can I seriously ask you. It is relevant to the topic. And please don't say I would never do this as that is a bit of a cop out.

You start dating a 25 year old escort. She quits the job for you and gives you her undivided attention. She messages you as she needs new clothes, and she only buys the best so she wants £250 for clothes. She wont shop at Primark like everyone else does, no, she must shop at the best and she is your girlfriend and she needs the money for new clothes as hers are a few weeks old now.

She messages you as she is starving, she has no money, she needs money to eat. She messages you as she needs her hair cut. She messages you as the rent is due, the landlord is going to kick me out, what do I do, I am so afraid I am going to be kicked out. I need £200 for rent.

So this is what may possibly happen, will you say to her, sorry love, naff off. Or would you give her it. Or what would you do. She is your girlfriend remember, who thinks the world is ending (quite literally) as she cannot get her hair cut and cannot afford it.

You are either going to say no, and upset her, and thus, you are no longer dating her as a direct result. Start mass arguments with her over, why can you not just better manage your goddamned money a bit better like normal girls can do. Or cave in and give her it to keep her happy.

So what would you, or anyone else who wants to chip in on this do, as this is the real life consequences of dating a prossie. They've lived a life where they finish a days shift with £500 all tax free to do what they like. If they have a problem, that they need money for like new clothes or something, they just log into adultwork and work a few hours for it. Now she is retired and dating you. And has the same spending mannerism developed over years of the above?

If you want a date a prostitute, that is one of your biggest hurdles you may need to find a solution to. That is not generalising, that is a logical conclusion to reach of a very real issue.

Anth mate, seriously, I don't know your personal circumstances but I get the impression you haven't been in many, if any, serious relationships. What you describe isn't IN MY EXPERIENCE how it works, and I've been married twice, second time to someone 20 years my junior, (the result of that gives me the close association with the younger generation) and have also had other long term relationships Things for me start off gradually, there's no immediate oh I love you and want to send the rest of my life with you, you go on dates as a couple, get to know each other and let the relationship, and feelings, develop.

If I were to start another relationship their past would not be relevant, it's the future the would be important and If there was an immediate 'I need money' scenario the relationship would not get very far, in fact it wouldn't get started. I've dated women who have earned more than me and women who have earned less, the common denominator was, even the one's on low income were willing to split bills and what have you. It is the type of woman that counts not whether or not they have been or still are sexworkers.

If you insist that all escorts are the same money grabbing drug addicts purely because some are, then by definition all punters must be racist because some are, all punters must be boundary pushers because some do, this type of list goes on and on. 

Yet again you are making the statement that all escorts would behave in the manner you believe they would. People are different escorts are different, personally I would recognise if anyone was trying to manipulate me and it would not work.

That specific group being ALL working girls?

Exactly,  I fit into absolutely zero of anths stereotypes and generalisations about wgs

No punter or WG fits AnthG stereotypes because he talks shit

Is your entire purpose for posting now just to come and insult me?

Plus, for someone who gets so offended at perceived racism, to the extent you even post terrorist groups as your avatars on here. Where are you in the very racist topic going on that I mentioned a few posts above about literally genociding an entire group of people to help society??

Hypocrite much??

*Edit*. Seems you edited your against the forum rules post.....

Anth mate, seriously, I don't know your personal circumstances but I get the impression you haven't been in many, if any, serious relationships. What you describe isn't IN MY EXPERIENCE how it works, and I've been married twice, second time to someone 20 years my junior, (the result of that gives me the close association with the younger generation) and have also had other long term relationships Things for me start off gradually, there's no immediate oh I love you and want to send the rest of my life with you, you go on dates as a couple, get to know each other and let the relationship, and feelings, develop.

If I were to start another relationship their past would not be relevant, it's the future the would be important and If there was an immediate 'I need money' scenario the relationship would not get very far, in fact it wouldn't get started. I've dated women who have earned more than me and women who have earned less, the common denominator was, even the one's on low income were willing to split bills and what have you. It is the type of woman that counts not whether or not they have been or still are sexworkers.

If you insist that all escorts are the same money grabbing drug addicts purely because some are, then by definition all punters must be racist because some are, all punters must be boundary pushers because some do, this type of list goes on and on. 

Yet again you are making the statement that all escorts would behave in the manner you believe they would. People are different escorts are different, personally I would recognise if anyone was trying to manipulate me and it would not work.

Whilst my relationship experience is different (and frankly not as extensive) I agree completely with this.  I have previously spoken up against the generalisation on here (and in society as a whole) of characteristics and such like about whole groups of people - sometimes groups that are millions of people.  I won't mention the list as we will stray into banned topics but it is extremely dangerous and any study of history should teach us that.  To take a non controversial example (I hope) it is a tool used by extremist leaders across the globe, such as Hitler about the Jews or indeed us about the Irish.  Less dramatic you see it today with cyclists - because some motorists lump all cyclists together as hate figures who get very aggressive reactions even when doing nothing wrong.

Getting back to WGs we tend to judge mainly from our personal perspectives and as a few minutes looking at reviews on here shows we have a huge variety of tastes and types.  I see very few WGs under 30 and pretty much no EE girls - so that immediately skews any opinion I might have on WGs as a whole.  I also tend to have regulars so again I am likely to have a different experience and view than someone who never sees the same girl twice.

None of us are of course perfect - I automatically exclude Romanian WGs despite never having knowingly seen one and believing that we should treat everyone as an individual!  I base that on evidence from my brothers on here but acknowledge I am probably being unfair.

Bottom line for me is that I believe the world would be a fairer and nicer place if we could stop this group think about specific categories of people.

No punter or WG fits AnthG stereotypes

Correction, one punter does. 

What I find most perplexing in these threads is how some people would talk about how an escort is not dating/marriage material because she fucks so many guys/sucks so many dicks....all the whole those same people have a family of their own. You'd think that mindset would mean they are not marriage material either as they go about shagging random woman, licking their arse and what not; and they do it for fun and entertainment while hiding it from their families unlike an escort who would do it to provide a living for herself and is likely to confide in her partner about her work.

I also read the argument from time to time "What would you do if you found out your daughter was a WG? Tell her you're proud of her?",
well good sir, let me ask you this: What would you do if your daughter found out you were a punter who cheats on her mother? Tell her that she should be proud of you because at least the marriage is saved?

People...human beings...are complex, and as long as there's love, care, communication and a desire to make it work and do right by each other any two people....ANY....can have a stable and fulfilling relationship regardless of everything else in their life.