Prices

[Stoking]

I have to admit during the lockdowns I noticed the girls that were still working increased their prices.... Likely as they had far fewer punters.

It didn't take long outside of lockdown for the other girls to realise and raise their prices. I remember 130-150bbeing average for a British girl. Then it went to closer to 140-180. Now £200 is the top end and it's extremely common. £90 for a half hour is pretty standard, albeit only a could of years ago I could get a recent ROM for that.

Basically I think it's a mixture of fewer customers during lockdown, girls not lowering their prices after and then the current living cost rise.

Luckily I've noticed most of those on Vivastreet still haven't raised their prices, neither have most of the massage parlor a or the Thai's and EE's. Sorry native ladies, I think I'll be having to go international for a while.

[Marmalade]

Why do they raise their prices?
Because they can.

[Stevelondon]

I’m old enough to remember the great potato famine.
Price of chips rocketed through the roof.

Did the price come down afterwards when potatoes were once more commonplace.

Like hell they did. 

[Marmalade]

I’m old enough to remember the great potato famine.
Price of chips rocketed through the roof.

Did the price come down afterwards when potatoes were once more commonplace.

Like hell they did. 

It was an interesting story from the little history I recall. Some English lord or king or some other adopted potatoes as a delicacy and they suddenly became popular and profitable.

A bit like prostitutes. 

[estats]

I’m old enough to remember the great potato famine.
Price of chips rocketed through the roof.

Did the price come down afterwards when potatoes were once more commonplace.

Like hell they did. 

Well I can tell you potatoes RPI average price are cheaper now than in 1994 and cheaper now than at anytime since 2006. 

[puntingking]

I have to admit during the lockdowns I noticed the girls that were still working increased their prices.... Likely as they had far fewer punters.

It didn't take long outside of lockdown for the other girls to realise and raise their prices. I remember 130-150bbeing average for a British girl. Then it went to closer to 140-180. Now £200 is the top end and it's extremely common. £90 for a half hour is pretty standard, albeit only a could of years ago I could get a recent ROM for that.

Basically I think it's a mixture of fewer customers during lockdown, girls not lowering their prices after and then the current living cost rise.

Luckily I've noticed most of those on Vivastreet still haven't raised their prices, neither have most of the massage parlor a or the Thai's and EE's. Sorry native ladies, I think I'll be having to go international for a while.

Well prices may soon be coming down soon with the influx of migrants about to make their way to our shores from the Ukraine.
Still I rather to pay more for sexual services than Ukraine citizens livelihood to be threatened by the Russians.

[TomTank]

Most Ukranians aren't looking to go further than neighbouring countries so they can quickly return when it's all over ....

On the pricing issue, yes it's a market, and I expect it to fall back a bit in the long run, but not quite to where it was.

What's happening at the moment is that working girls lost out big time due to covid, plus there may be an element of them being happy to see fewer clients.
Some punters did very well out of covid, and don't have a problem paying the new higher prices, so the girls think they were right to put them up.
But to those of us that didn't do that well, the price rises are a pain in the arse, because it means we punt less and have a smaller pool to consider.

[Son of the Desert]

I looked back over some of my really old reviews that are still on the other site and I see that back in 2008 I was paying about £120 for a two hour party (Lady M) or for an hour at Victoria House.  Prices generally have gone up by about 50% since then so I should be paying £180 for the same services.  Phoenix are now charging £160 although their lineup is much diminished whereas Victoria House seems to be charging about £165. I'm not sure whether this is good or bad but I don't think I've seen much price increase in the 30 years I've been punting.  I presume the influx from Europe helped keep prices down in the 2000s.  I'm hoping to get back to punting early next month and I certainly don't want to see what I'm paying rise but presumably at some point a combination of fewer providers and increasing prices will force an increase.  I just wish they'd improve their service but I suppose that is too much to hope for.

[GingerNuts]

I looked back over some of my really old reviews that are still on the other site and I see that back in 2008 I was paying about £120 for a two hour party (Lady M) or for an hour at Victoria House.  Prices generally have gone up by about 50% since then so I should be paying £180 for the same services.  Phoenix are now charging £160 although their lineup is much diminished whereas Victoria House seems to be charging about £165. I'm not sure whether this is good or bad but I don't think I've seen much price increase in the 30 years I've been punting.  I presume the influx from Europe helped keep prices down in the 2000s.  I'm hoping to get back to punting early next month and I certainly don't want to see what I'm paying rise but presumably at some point a combination of fewer providers and increasing prices will force an increase.  I just wish they'd improve their service but I suppose that is too much to hope for.

It would be difficult to look back over your old reviews here. Why haven't posted any in over 11 years?

[Punterperson1971]

Why is it showing 2 reviews and then there’s none there

[GingerNuts]

Why is it showing 2 reviews and then there’s none there

People post all sorts of stuff as reviews which then gets moved (usually to regional discussion). Unfortunaly the review count they gained from the incorrect post doesn't reduce when the thread is moved.

Maybe he did post two reviews and they've somehow got lost.

Either way, zero or two reviews in over 11 years is a piss poor effort.

[20jay]

The subject of overpriced hookers is getting boring, and yes, I've written about that too.

It is well known fact, as long as there are blokes stupid or wealthy enough to pay £200 an hour, the tarts will be trying to milk the maximum amount of money. I've said many times "the birds are not your friends" I don't visit overpriced whores, I don't pay 200 quid for a hour, that's all you can do or shut up. Supply and demand will take care of the rest.

[southcoastpunter]

The subject is boring,  - shut up.

i've amended it for you!!

haha but seriously it is getting very boring and going on and on about it changes nothing!!

[Punterperson1971]

Thanks GN

[shed]

People post all sorts of stuff as reviews which then gets moved (usually to regional discussion). Unfortunaly the review count they gained from the incorrect post doesn't reduce when the thread is moved.

Maybe he did post two reviews and they've somehow got lost.

Either way, zero or two reviews in over 11 years is a piss poor effort.

He must be one of the original members ?

[seeker]

The price is THE price ...
Your in charge the Customer  ....
See them or not its your choice 
No amount of whinging and hand rubbing
Is going to change those fundamentals...

[TomTank]

The price is THE price ...
Your in charge the Customer  ....
See them or not its your choice 
No amount of whinging and hand rubbing
Is going to change those fundamentals...

I think it's fair enough as a topic of discussion though - it's making it harder to find a decent service provider.
And moaning about it shows that enough of us are pissed of with it, and may contribute to some pricing realigning itself ......

We can't change the weather, but we still have a moan about it.

[southcoastpunter]

I think it's fair enough as a topic of discussion though -

surely its been done to death - about 5 times this year already!

And moaning about it shows that enough of us are pissed of with it, and may contribute to some pricing realigning itself ......

sorry mate, but f you believe that you really are living in cloud cuckoo land.

[TomTank]

surely its been done to death - about 5 times this year already!


sorry mate, but f you believe that you really are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Hardly cloud cuckoo land if you think about how markets and equilibrium pricing work, and I don't think it can be done enough. Most pricing out there has ruined this hobby.

[20jay]

..and with it also the business model of some tarts and their Sergei's

The market will calm down , supply and demand . Wasn't there a fundraiser for hookers during the first Covid wave... well, won't make nasty remarks any further.

[seeker]

Prices have gone up 

I just punt less often in the UK 
Even the ones I wouldn't do for free
Are trying to charge 80 to 100hh 
Some are up to 120 to 140hh 
I Save the cash for when I'm abroad  and the Ladies actually
Appreciate the business...

[tidytuz]

The AW Search function is your friend, gents.

Search, Female, Escort, Available today, Hourly rate 0-140, Proximity 10mile radius from your postcode, LAUNCH SEARCH.

I get 4 pages of reasonably priced whores. The overpriced ones.. I don't even know they exist. 

But I'm in London area...I do get it's not as easy in other areas.

[tidytuz]

Well I can tell you potatoes RPI average price are cheaper now than in 1994 and cheaper now than at anytime since 2006. 

That's why they are the staple of my diet right now....I cut them up thin so they bake nice n crispy 

[TomTank]

The AW Search function is your friend, gents.

Search, Female, Escort, Available today, Hourly rate 0-140, Proximity 10mile radius from your postcode, LAUNCH SEARCH.

I get 4 pages of reasonably priced whores. The overpriced ones.. I don't even know they exist. 

But I'm in London area...I do get it's not as easy in other areas.

I get one page with 7 listings, 1 I've seen before and not bothered about seeing again, 1 who looks promising but has some of my stuff as extras, and 5 that look shite

[tidytuz]

I get one page with 7 listings, 1 I've seen before and not bothered about seeing again, 1 who looks promising but has some of my stuff as extras, and 5 that look shite

What area are you in?

[JontyR]

What area are you in?

Kharkiv from the sounds of it.

[big-al93]

You want to try living in deepest, darkest Ayrshire. search parameters, female escort, 10 miles from postcode yeilds exactly 1 result, nevermind adding in prices or available today.

[Thephoenix]

You want to try living in deepest, darkest Ayrshire. search parameters, female escort, 10 miles from postcode yeilds exactly 1 result, nevermind adding in prices or available today.

Is that why you're so fond of tossing the caber?



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[RandyMarsh]

Like me, the OP doesn’t post very much so he isn’t going to aware that are a few threads have covered this topic. It’s easy to comment “the price is the price”, but I don’t seem the harm in people venting their frustration on a public forum, especially when it comes to inflation or as I call it greed - not just this industry, everyday life.

When I started punting 5-6 years back the hourly incall rate was £100-£120, now it varies from £130-£170. That’s great if you have spare notes and still willing to pay the WGs hourly rate, but there’s no harm in someone being frustrated by this. With inflated rates it would obviously annoy punters more now if they end up having an average or poor experience, and that naturally casts doubts whether it’s worth continuing.

Pointing the obvious here for those in this boat, but if your willing to withdraw your notes make sure your selective by doing your homework. I’ve barely punted in the past couple of years due to COVID, but I’m now very reluctant to punt with a SP I haven’t seen before.

I read too many reviews now where the punter had a poor experience. I know there will be some lovely SPs out there, but generally I get the feeling the modern WG will charge a high bargain (in some cases outrageous hourly rates) but their attitude isn’t the best, or a real annoyance to me is extras charges!!

Some the best punts I’ve had have been with ladies with limited availability which tends to suggest they have full time or a part time job. They of course do it for the extra cash, but I get the impression they enjoy it too or they have a welcoming manner. I see less of these ladies in the NE now in my opinion.

[Marmalade]

U.K. offerings are all over-priced in my opinion.

When I go abroad I view punting a bit like drinking water. 

When I’m at home it’s like a Lidl version of recycled drinking water dressed up in a fancy box, extravagant language and a Harvey Nicks fucking price tag: either to be used only in necessity or to burn some money.

It’s not ‘good’, ‘bad’, ‘just the way it is.
Why do prostitutes charge so much? Because they can.

[TomTank]

What area are you in?

Huddersfield

[datwabbit]

The govr of the BoE asked workers not to ask for big pay rises.

Maybe he should put out a statement asking escorts to not increase prices significantly.

[estats]

The more I see happening financially around us, the more I wonder if everyone talking about the market, in this area and the wider economy, and the notion "it's charged because it can be" may be looked back on in a bizarre way as we see more and more intervention.

I do wonder if price controls, CBDC's and the like would start mixing much more political intervention with what once were considered free market principles.

However, in the short term I'm more convinced than ever discretionary spending will be hit in the economy, such as in the escorting market and as demand falls, prices will now fall back, especially in the second half of this year. That is on many luxury discretionary spending items we will see deflation.

[Gordon Bennett]

Like me, the OP doesn’t post very much so he isn’t going to aware that are a few threads have covered this topic. It’s easy to comment “the price is the price”, but I don’t seem the harm in people venting their frustration on a public forum, especially when it comes to inflation or as I call it greed - not just this industry, everyday life.

When I started punting 5-6 years back the hourly incall rate was £100-£120, now it varies from £130-£170. That’s great if you have spare notes and still willing to pay the WGs hourly rate, but there’s no harm in someone being frustrated by this. With inflated rates it would obviously annoy punters more now if they end up having an average or poor experience, and that naturally casts doubts whether it’s worth continuing.

Pointing the obvious here for those in this boat, but if your willing to withdraw your notes make sure your selective by doing your homework. I’ve barely punted in the past couple of years due to COVID, but I’m now very reluctant to punt with a SP I haven’t seen before.

I read too many reviews now where the punter had a poor experience. I know there will be some lovely SPs out there, but generally I get the feeling the modern WG will charge a high bargain (in some cases outrageous hourly rates) but their attitude isn’t the best, or a real annoyance to me is extras charges!!

Some the best punts I’ve had have been with ladies with limited availability which tends to suggest they have full time or a part time job. They of course do it for the extra cash, but I get the impression they enjoy it too or they have a welcoming manner. I see less of these ladies in the NE now in my opinion.

I started  round about then too. Thing is, back then there were plenty of threads moaning about grasping greedy ladies trying to charge £120 p/h. Plenty of punters saying no way Jose and happy with their £80 "burds".
I used to think they were miserable curmudgeonly old gits out of touch with reality. Whining about a £20ish differential - buffoons!

But, I have turned into them now. £100-£120 for HALF an hour!??? I should coco. I'm not paying that!

Back then I was one of the silly new punters happy to pay the sky high rate of £120hr. I suppose today there are new "silly" punters coming on the scene happy to pay £180+. I suppose its cyclical and the market will settle on a "going rate". One thing won't change..... there will always be threads on here about the rising cost of punting.

[berksboy]

£80 V £120 is  £40 more not just £20 ?

[JPin]

However, in the short term I'm more convinced than ever discretionary spending will be hit in the economy, such as in the escorting market and as demand falls, prices will now fall back, especially in the second half of this year. That is on many luxury discretionary spending items we will see deflation.

Agreed. So many of us are going to be hit hard by the coming rises and that will mean less cash directed towards luxuries and the more financially savvy escorts will (I hope) adapt their business to cater for this. Which may encourage others to follow them...

[chadpitt]

The more I see happening financially around us, the more I wonder if everyone talking about the market, in this area and the wider economy, and the notion "it's charged because it can be" may be looked back on in a bizarre way as we see more and more intervention.

I do wonder if price controls, CBDC's and the like would start mixing much more political intervention with what once were considered free market principles.

However, in the short term I'm more convinced than ever discretionary spending will be hit in the economy, such as in the escorting market and as demand falls, prices will now fall back, especially in the second half of this year. That is on many luxury discretionary spending items we will see deflation.

I'm convinced outcalls will go up in price because of the cost of fuel.

As for incalls well this is hookers we're talking about. They're knee jerk reaction will be to raise prices because they're lazy. There are so many cash-rich wallys who who will pay more and ruin it for everyone else.

Hos aside, we do need deflation in general. People won't have the money to go out and socialise. UK is serviced based-economy, so this crazy inflation will cripple the economy. The government needs to invest in more renewable energy ASAP.

[spiralnotebook]

 

The government needs to invest in more renewable energy ASAP.

They could start on here, with all the hot air spouted.


 

[southcoastpunter]

There are so many cash-rich wallys who who will pay more and ruin it for everyone else.

do you really think that these punters (or any punters for that matter,) care about whether other punters can afford it if they pay higher prices. Lets be honest,  I very much doubt it and i expect most UKP punters are the same. Again, being very honest i don't. If i want to see a lady and she is within my personal budget range, i don't care if it means she keeps to that price and as a consequence some guys on here with a smaller budget can't see her or more likely don't want to pay that much for her. we all have our individual views of "value" and "worth" and act accordingly.

Having said that - my personal upper limit for a AW/VS type punt is £200 for an hour (was £160 until about a year or so ago but i have raised it as prices have generally risen. To my mind, no good moaning about prices as it has no effect at all - its a simple matter. pay the lady's price or not according to your own budget, views and circumstances.

[estats]

do you really think that these punters (or any punters for that matter,) care about whether other punters can afford it if they pay higher prices. Lets be honest,  I very much doubt it and i expect most UKP punters are the same. Again, being very honest i don't. If i want to see a lady and she is within my personal budget range, i don't care if it means she keeps to that price and as a consequence some guys on here with a smaller budget can't see her or more likely don't want to pay that much for her. we all have our individual views of "value" and "worth" and act accordingly.

Having said that - my personal upper limit for a AW/VS type punt is £200 for an hour (was £160 until about a year or so ago but i have raised it as prices have generally risen. To my mind, no good moaning about prices as it has no effect at all - its a simple matter. pay the lady's price or not according to your own budget, views and circumstances.

There will always be richer people who can pay whatever for whatever, however this is a relatively small percentage of people, so the question rather is, of those who are not in that category, will there be enough able and willing to pay the rates as to not affect the market? The stats in the UK are actually showing the cost of living crisis impacting fairly evenly across income bands, hence I think it may trigger a recession towards the end of the year.

Moaning about prices may have no affect, but I have seen numerous examples now of SP's advertising on different sites at different rates. If you are just blindly paying, that is your choice, but the belief the price is the price I'm not sure is accurate at all if you look around the SP market.

That indeed was my wider point, housing, assets, services, the mentality the price is the price, or the belief there are no interventions in markets that will make a major difference, we may very well see ending sooner than we believed and a lot of people could be financially burned in the process.

[Marmalade]

These threads come every so often and usually there is some newbie who has studied the price of butter on a spreadsheet and thinks that if more people or less people buy it the price will come down or go. It is all complete bollocks when applied to punting. The general economy and prostitution don't work like that. The most obvious model has been abroad, which I've seen with my own eyes on multiple occasions. There are many reasons prices go up (regulations being one of them) but they certainly don't come down with reduced demand. The prostitute then raises her prices to get the same income from fewer clients. Apart from regulations, travel costs and stuff like that, "most variation in prices is likely driven by supply-side decision making."* The other thing that could lower prices is a big influx of immigrant workers; though last time this occurred what happened was that Britiish women just raised their prices above those of the foreigners.

If you don't like the prices, the best thing is to go abroad, enjoy your holiday and have cheap punting on the side.

*https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~michjc/papers/rational_pricing_draft_082318.pdf
For people who really do want to study it in some sort of 'intellectual' way, there are plenty of papers on it but you can't look at it from a point of view of 'general economics'. I was going to list some but I got bored. Utterly pointless really. There's fuck all the punter can do about it. These threads are just an excuse to have a whine.
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[TomTank]

newbie who has studied the price of butter on a spreadsheet and thinks that if more people or less people buy it the price will come down or go. It is all complete bollocks when applied to punting. The general economy and prostitution don't work like that.

I'll have a read of the article later, but the bit quoted above shows a lack of understanding of Economic theory and supply and demand.
It's true that the shift in the supply side is what has driven the price up, and the number of people buying down.
An increase in the level of demand has probably driven prices up further.
A reduction in the level of demand would absolutely now drive the price back down.

[southcoastpunter]

I'll have a read of the article later, but the bit quoted above shows a lack of understanding of Economic theory and supply and demand.
It's true that the shift in the supply side is what has driven the price up, and the number of people buying down.
An increase in the level of demand has probably driven prices up further.
A reduction in the level of demand would absolutely now drive the price back down.

can you tell me when the general prices charged by WG's has actually fallen. I have been punting since the mid/late 1990's and can't remember a single occasion when prices across the board showed any significant downwards movement. Not even when we had loads of Romanians come over. Marmalade is right - the general economics principles of supply and demand etc do not seem to apply in the case of WG's.

[TomTank]

can you tell me when the general prices charged by WG's has actually fallen. I have been punting since the mid/late 1990's and can't remember a single occasion when prices across the board showed any significant downwards movement. Not even when we had loads of Romanians come over. Marmalade is right - the general economics principles of supply and demand etc do not seem to apply in the case of WG's.

Lots of markets haven't shown any downward movement in that time period, but the economic principles of supply and demand always apply.
When you take inflation into account, there have been periods where real prices have actually fallen. In fact there has probably been an element of the supply side using the market shock to correct prices to be in line with inflation.

If you think the general economic principles don't apply just because you haven't seen price levels ever go down, I don't think you've ever properly understood supply and demand theory.

[Cupid Stuntz]

At least this SP is warning of hefty price increases as of April fools day.

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[Marmalade]

I'll have a read of the article later, but the bit quoted above shows a lack of understanding of Economic theory and supply and demand.
It's true that the shift in the supply side is what has driven the price up, and the number of people buying down.
An increase in the level of demand has probably driven prices up further.
A reduction in the level of demand would absolutely now drive the price back down.

Frankly, you're wrong. Whatever your theory is. In forty years of punting, clocking over 1K, and even interviewing p4ps about pricing during marked turns in demand, I'm pretty sure of the facts, as are the large number of experienced punters on here.

When any theory fails to fit the facts on the ground, the theory is wrong. Wake up. 

[TomTank]

Frankly, you're wrong. Whatever your theory is. In forty years of punting, clocking over 1K, and even interviewing p4ps about pricing during marked turns in demand, I'm pretty sure of the facts, as are the large number of experienced punters on here.

When any theory fails to fit the facts on the ground, the theory is wrong. Wake up. 

I don't have a theory - it's the economic theory of supply and demand.
I've just described to you how the theory could fit the facts on the ground.
Just because you don't understand it, does not make it wrong.

You are confusing less people buying due to a higher price (caused by a change in the supply) with a change in demand.

I think you may be right that we will never see a drop in nominal price levels, but that also doesn't mean the theory is wrong.

[estats]

Frankly, you're wrong. Whatever your theory is. In forty years of punting, clocking over 1K, and even interviewing p4ps about pricing during marked turns in demand, I'm pretty sure of the facts, as are the large number of experienced punters on here.

When any theory fails to fit the facts on the ground, the theory is wrong. Wake up. 

If I gave you a specific example of a SP charging £160 per hour on one platform, and the same SP charging £100 per hour on another, and could point to multiple examples of this, would this not call into question "the price is the price" sort of logic?

[estats]

At least this SP is warning of hefty price increases as of April fools day.

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Clearly cannot pay the heating bill on £200 per hour. "The times we are in", what times is she in on 20 times the average wage?

[Kenaldo]

Looking at the cost of living crisis it’s clear that many businesses will need to pass the extra cost on to the customer.

I’ve already seen a couple of profiles making comments about passing costs on due to running a home and additional rooms / flat but just how this is going to pan out I’m not sure?

My gut feeling is like everything else the cost of a punt will rocket (and let’s face it, it’s pricey now and it doesn’t take much to up the price) but I’m also thinking that a combination of too much of a hike with reduced dosh in your own pocket will be disastrous for the ladies concerned.

Fingers crossed for the latter.