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Offline cueball

I notice (no pun intended) that there is "notices" board on the home page

What's that about then boss?

Offline The_Don

I notice (no pun intended) that there is "notices" board on the home page

I can see it but:


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The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

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When a topic is moved between regions, review rating is changed, post is edited, etc. then a post is automatically made in the new Notices section by the account that made it (similar to the Post Reports section).

It's meant so established members can do minor "moderator role" tasks so I don't have to. The new section is to make it transparent, allowing others to view who made a change and why (to prevent and catch out remote possibility of it being abused).

It's unrealistic to expect me to continually do everything on an ever growing site, especially as the site has grown 10%+ since Boxing Day and is highly likely to grow even bigger this year. This and other upcoming changes are to ease the burden for me.

Offline pumps

When a topic is moved between regions, review rating is changed, post is edited, etc. then a post is automatically made in the new Notices section by the account that made it (similar to the Post Reports section).

It's meant so established members can do minor "moderator role" tasks so I don't have to. The new section is to make it transparent, allowing others to view who made a change and why (to prevent and catch out remote possibility of it being abused).

It's unrealistic to expect me to continually do everything on an ever growing site, especially as the site has grown 10%+ since Boxing Day and is highly likely to grow even bigger this year. This and other upcoming changes are to ease the burden for me.

sounds good to me.

will other established members be able to see exactly what was changed in the post or just the reason why they made a change?

Offline cueball

When a topic is moved between regions, review rating is changed, post is edited, etc. then a post is automatically made in the new Notices section by the account that made it (similar to the Post Reports section).

It's meant so established members can do minor "moderator role" tasks so I don't have to. The new section is to make it transparent, allowing others to view who made a change and why (to prevent and catch out remote possibility of it being abused).

It's unrealistic to expect me to continually do everything on an ever growing site, especially as the site has grown 10%+ since Boxing Day and is highly likely to grow even bigger this year. This and other upcoming changes are to ease the burden for me.

It'll be interesting to see that at work. Whoever does the limited moderation will I suppose have new tools made available on their account (post modification etc)

And, if the rest of us can see the changes then ukp kind of polices itself to a certain degree.

It'll be especially handy for adding links to reviews, a big portion of the post reports is members reporting missing links.

Offline Blackpool Rock

And, if the rest of us can see the changes then ukp kind of polices itself to a certain degree.

It'll be especially handy for adding links to reviews, a big portion of the post reports is members reporting missing links.
I guess with members already reporting posts the site is self policing to a small degree and it does help to weed out a fair few trolls that may otherwise slip through as Admin can't read every post.
Like you say if giving a few trusted members limited ability to add links etc and take some of the donkey work out of it for Admin then that can only be good news as the site continues to grow


Offline mrfishyfoo

When a topic is moved between regions, review rating is changed, post is edited, etc. then a post is automatically made in the new Notices section by the account that made it (similar to the Post Reports section).

It's meant so established members can do minor "moderator role" tasks so I don't have to. The new section is to make it transparent, allowing others to view who made a change and why (to prevent and catch out remote possibility of it being abused).

It's unrealistic to expect me to continually do everything on an ever growing site, especially as the site has grown 10%+ since Boxing Day and is highly likely to grow even bigger this year. This and other upcoming changes are to ease the burden for me.

That's the thing about this site boss. Transparency.

In the words of a certain supermarket "Every little helps" so I think it's a great idea if it allows you to deal with the big stuff and trusted contributors to deal with the minutia.

Offline Desimonic

+1 Yup keep up the good work boss, :thumbsup:

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Another great example of why UKP is not only one step ahead of the competition, but a million fucking miles in front.

Thanks Admin  :thumbsup:

Offline undercoverlover17

That's a crazy figure since Boxing day, but with an ever growing site with no financial or monetary gain its only right that small tasks should be offset onto volunteers since Admin has already given so much of his time, and in order to keep UKP on the right track more work will need to be done.  :thumbsup:

Offline Mansell

Great idea, probably a high % of Mod work is pretty straightforward stuff. Leaves the Boss free to concentrate on the important stuff. Good move.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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20 members now have ability to move threads between sections and change review ratings. Those who have access will see new button or form on each topic, along with notice at the top of page linking to this post.

Thought best to start off with low number of 20 rather than give access to hundreds or even the full 1,200+ members who have access to Deleted Posts.

Those who have these new privileges shouldn't get confused into thinking they are moderators. You are not moderators and not above other members. The clue is in the name of the permission usergroup you now belong to - "Helpers". You are merely being given privileges to help with the running of the site, the site that you make use of (given all except one of you have 1,000+ posts). Similar to Wikipedia, the editors who write articles, organize the site, etc. don't get paid for their efforts, you won't either, you are helping your fellow punters by maintaining UKP, something I've done all myself in the past years.

Each change you make will automatically be logged in the new 'Notices' board. You need to fill out a reason textbox to. You need to be clear as to why you made the change.

It goes without saying that review ratings must only be changed when the author of the review (and no one else) requests the change, either them posting in their review topic or reporting their post. Never should a review rating be changed solely because you disagree with it. It's their review and they get to pick the rating, if they picked neutral when everyone thinks it should be negative, that is their choice, you can voice your opinion but never use the facility to change it.

Move topics if they are posted in the wrong region, e.g. a London review posted in Scotland section or they post in this main section and not the relevant regional board. But there are exemptions that need to be taken in consideration, for example if it's a post asking for whereabouts of some porn star who tours all over UK, in that case it's best kept in this main section. Or it's a post asking a general question (e.g. do you use agencies) but posted in a regional section, in that case it would be best kept in that regional board as they seek opinions of fellow locals and not punters throughout the UK.

The indexing of reviews, categorizing of topics, post editing to fix broken links, etc. is for future.
Freezing some new member because they're breaking the rules and I am offline is for the future too, I just need to decide the best way to go about that.

With these new and planned changes of allowing members to maintain the site as much as possible I have optimism that in the coming months I can spend less time on UKP (i.e. like when I was away for a week earlier this month or Christmas Day). But that's probably just a pipe dream.

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Also you can't use the facility (as in you'll get error message) to make changes to your own posts or reviews, you'll need to report your post and request someone else does it.

This is to prevent possibility where a prossie pesters a member to edit a negative review and remove certain critical bits. Thought to repeat, there's no post editing just yet. That's for later.

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Offline Marmalade

Sounds a good idea simply looking at the number of reported posts that are just a 'please move to' or 'not a review'. +1 on Admibs statement, this is not a Mods facility. UKP has no Mods. Just a few people he trusts to move stuff themself instead of expecting him to do it. Cool.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Glitch fixed boss  :thumbsup:
Congratulations Cueball, don't think anyone would have any complaints about you being trusted to make a good call and move topics to other threads etc, well done mate  :thumbsup:

Offline Roth

Thanks. Good idea Admin and something we all need to take care not to get wrong. :thumbsup:


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If anyone doesn't have the new facility but is interested, then just PM me and I'll add it to your account.

The ability for you chaps to index new reviews should be done tomorrow. I've done the 22,000+ reviews all myself for the past few years, so the 50+ being posted everyday should be easily done by a few members.

Offline CoolTiger

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That's great Admin, most members are happy to help, anything to lessen you burden.

The other main reporting item I can think of is reports of where AW links are missing. I can only assume that this was not easy to implement within the above.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2017, 12:03:59 am by CoolTiger »

Offline MrMatrix

Great move Admin - should help you out a lot. There's a lot of experience on the site that can well manage this jobs you and others have mentioned. So whens your next holiday Admin? :D :D

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Thanks for this. It is an honour.  :drinks:

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Given that all has gone so well so far, I've extended access to indexing reviews.
At the moment only reviews with AdultWork profiles can be indexed (Vivastreet and other sites for future).
There should be a form on each review allowing entering a AW profile ID (the number not username).

Hidden Image/Members Only

To help, this page lists all recent reviews which haven't been indexed yet, as of writing I've done all reviews with AW links:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=unindexedreviews

There's no visible indication who indexed which review right now, but it is logged in the database.

Offline CoolTiger

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Once you have confirmed that a review is for Vivastreet, is there anyway of suppresing it?

I noticed that the above link listed unindexed going back only as far as 10th January 2017, so previous VS reviews must have been removed from that list. 

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Once you have confirmed that a review is for Vivastreet, is there anyway of suppresing it?

I noticed that the above link listed unindexed going back only as far as 10th January 2017, so previous VS reviews must have been removed from that list.

There isn't no.
Have updated that page to list all unindexed reviews, not just ones posted in past 30 days.
I spent time going through all unindexed reviews from site creation up until July 2014 and indexed any with AW links, although absolute majority were non-working links and hence why I don't really bother with older reviews, and instead think it's best putting effort into the latest reviews.

Offline SamLP

Given that all has gone so well so far, I've extended access to indexing reviews.
At the moment only reviews with AdultWork profiles can be indexed (Vivastreet and other sites for future).
There should be a form on each review allowing entering a AW profile ID (the number not username).

Hidden Image/Members Only

To help, this page lists all recent reviews which haven't been indexed yet, as of writing I've done all reviews with AW links:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=unindexedreviews

There's no visible indication who indexed which review right now, but it is logged in the database.

Thanks admin, just a few quick questions.

The numbered ID for the indexing, is that the full link or just the number?
For example, a recent yet to be indexed review. Would I put:
External Link/Members Only
OR just 3629738 or will both work?

Secondly, regarding changing the rating on reviews. Is it sufficient to change it if the reviewer states it on their review, or will they strictly need to report it for the change to happen?

Offline CoolTiger

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Sam, when I entered only the 7 digits, it appeared to work. Review then appeared to be indexed, and although Admin said it logs my name in the DB, it also displayed a note to say "indexed by CoolTiger"(?), or something along those lines.

Offline daviemac

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Admin said in reply #22 to just put the number in.   :hi:

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Given that all has gone so well so far, I've extended access to indexing reviews.
At the moment only reviews with AdultWork profiles can be indexed (Vivastreet and other sites for future).
There should be a form on each review allowing entering a AW profile ID (the number not username).

Offline stevedave

Thanks admin, just a few quick questions.

The numbered ID for the indexing, is that the full link or just the number?
For example, a recent yet to be indexed review. Would I put:
External Link/Members Only
OR just 3629738 or will both work?

Secondly, regarding changing the rating on reviews. Is it sufficient to change it if the reviewer states it on their review, or will they strictly need to report it for the change to happen?

I actually indexed that review, but I notice it's gone down as a negative on her review history, whereas the review was actually a neutral...have I buggered something up? It's entirely possible!

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I actually indexed that review, but I notice it's gone down as a negative on her review history, whereas the review was actually a neutral...have I buggered something up? It's entirely possible!

No, I believe you've done everything correctly ...  :hi:

The negative is the review which was already indexed ... the neutral review which you indexed does not show yet in the indexing header but is now linked on the WG's UKP provider ID -  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=11479

 

« Last Edit: January 26, 2017, 03:34:36 pm by Ludwig »

Offline stevedave

No, I believe you've done everything correctly ...  :hi:

The negative is the review which was already indexed ... the neutral review which you indexed does not show yet in the indexing header but is now linked on the WG's UKP provider ID -  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=11479

Ahhh, I missed the previous neg somehow!

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Thanks admin, just a few quick questions.

The numbered ID for the indexing, is that the full link or just the number?
For example, a recent yet to be indexed review. Would I put:
External Link/Members Only
OR just 3629738 or will both work?

Secondly, regarding changing the rating on reviews. Is it sufficient to change it if the reviewer states it on their review, or will they strictly need to report it for the change to happen?

As posted earlier, just the number.
Regarding rating change, either is fine.

No, I believe you've done everything correctly ...  :hi:

The negative is the review which was already indexed ... the neutral review which you indexed does not show yet in the indexing header but is now linked on the WG's UKP provider ID -  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=11479

Yes those counters are not automatically updated at the time of review indexing (will be in future), right now they're mass updated only once at around 3AM GMT.

Offline stevedave

As posted earlier, just the number.
Regarding rating change, either is fine.

Yes those counters are not automatically updated at the time of review indexing (will be in future), right now they're mass updated only once at around 3AM GMT.

Thanks for clarifying admin  :thumbsup:

Offline SamLP

 :thumbsup: Thanks Admin + everyone else for the clarifications

Offline hendrix

Good idea! Bound to attract more and more trolls and general lowlifes as the site gets even more popular :drinks:

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I added a topic subject change facility.
Intended use - add profile name, add location, etc.

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I added a topic subject change facility.
Intended use - add profile name, add location, etc.

This a very useful new feature Admin, thanks ...

By way of a test, I've just tried it on a very old defunct review of Steve2's (sorry Steve,nothing personal ! :D) - it seems to have worked ok  :thumbsup: ...

As with the other features, a post has been created in the notices thread ...




Offline Steely Dan

For topic change, may I assume we can change this without instruction from the poster, as long as we just add escort name and add location?  Sometimes, I am un happy with extra information they add (Best girl in Hull, see her now!), but I have never seen you change these things, so I suspect you don't want us to change these things, right? Just add name, add location.  Unless told more changes by poster.

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Admin, I am glad you have taken this step.  It builds the resilience of the site and will, I suspect, add to the quality of reports but increasing oversight.

Can I make a personal plea to the helpers for the inclusion of location in the subject field of reviews please?

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Admin, I am glad you have taken this step.  It builds the resilience of the site and will, I suspect, add to the quality of reports but increasing oversight.

Can I make a personal plea to the helpers for the inclusion of location in the subject field of reviews please?

I think that's one of the main reasons for this being available. Having said that I would value Admin's (and  others) opinion on whether it's worth adding locations etc to old posts that have been read hundreds or thousands of times or just correct future ones.

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I think that's one of the main reasons for this being available. Having said that I would value Admin's (and  others) opinion on whether it's worth adding locations etc to old posts that have been read hundreds or thousands of times or just correct future ones.

David mac, as girls tend to be quite mobile (the fun ones anyway :D) I see little value in amending the back catalogue.

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David mac, as girls tend to be quite mobile (the fun ones anyway :D) I see little value in amending the back catalogue.

That's what I thought, quite a few of the old one's are dead links anyway.   :hi:

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It's amazing how many reviewers forget to put the location in the title of the review.

Offline cueball

So boss.... do you think it were a good call to get some helping along then? Fwiw... I think it were a good call.

I can see you kicking back on your Sun lounger, putting your feet up and having a bit more "boss" time eh :D
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Offline CoolTiger

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So boss.... do you think it were a good call to get some helping along then? Fwiw... I think it were a good call.

I can see you kicking back on your Sun lounger, putting your feet up and having a bit more "boss" time eh :D

159 Posts in "Notices" + countless Indexings, all within 1 week.

Hopefully Admin will be back, in a week.... or two  :lol:


Knowing him, he's probably spending the time saved working on other improvements to this site.

Offline Blackpool Rock

I've only indexed a couple of reviews as that's all i've come across due to things having already been updated by someone else by the time I get there.
Good to see that enough people are quick to jump on anything that needs doing and happy to put a very small contribution back in relation to what we all get out of this site  :thumbsup:

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I've only indexed a couple of reviews as that's all i've come across due to things having already been updated by someone else by the time I get there.
Good to see that enough people are quick to jump on anything that needs doing and happy to put a very small contribution back in relation to what we all get out of this site  :thumbsup:

Yes, you have to be REALLY fast in order to be able to index reviews. I've also managed only a few so far.

Offline mh

Yes, you have to be REALLY fast in order to be able to index reviews. I've also managed only a few so far.

That's great it means there are enough people to stop the backlog. I've only just noticed the "Indexed by ..." text which will save the bother when it has already been done by someone else.

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Has "MOVE Topic" now been restricted to selected members only?

I could have sworn it was there previously??

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Nothings changed.
Is the button missing?