Negative reviews for time wasting?

[vernon]

I've seen this many times: SPs with overall positive reviews, with the only negative reviews being failed meets (for whatever reason). Here's the latest example I can think of:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=32958

Reviews are overwhelmingly positive, with 3/10 being negative. But those reviewers never actually got to meet the girl.

I do understand that a wasted trip is annoying.

But maybe there could be an alternative labeling? Something like "No meet" or "Time waster", leaving proper Negative reviews for actually bad meets?

Just a thought!

[daviemac]

How many categories for reviews do you want?

At one time there were only 2 categories, positive or negative, then neutral was introduced to give better options and that has worked well ever since.  If it isn't broken don't try to fix it.

If you get radio silence when you arrive at a location feel free to rate your review as you wish. 

If you read reviews you will see "didn't happen" or such like in the title, nothing more is needed.

BTW

Getting pissed about when you arrive is just as bad as getting bad service.

[David1970]

I've seen this many times: SPs with overall positive reviews, with the only negative reviews being failed meets (for whatever reason). Here's the latest example I can think of:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=32958

Reviews are overwhelmingly positive, with 3/10 being negative. But those reviewers never actually got to meet the girl.

I do understand that a wasted trip is annoying.

But maybe there could be an alternative labeling? Something like "No meet" or "Time waster", leaving proper Negative reviews for actually bad meets?

Just a thought!

Disagree with you, a negative review should always be given for WG wasting your time. The review shows the WG is unreliable and wasted your time when you could be punting another WG.
Nothing more annoying than making an appointment, going to the street, contacting the WG for flat number and being met with radio silence or “ sorry babe I am busy now” reply.
Being unprofessional and a time waster is a negative thing that deserves a negative review.

[datwabbit]

There's nothing positive about wasting your time and there's nothing meh about wasting money getting to an empty street. Therefore only Negative option left.

It's more than annoying - time and money cannot be recovered.

[Hobbit]

My time is valuable to me as much as their time is to them. If they don't respect my time, they deserve a negative review.

[Belgarion]

I've seen this many times: SPs with overall positive reviews, with the only negative reviews being failed meets (for whatever reason). Here's the latest example I can think of:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=serviceprovider;id=32958

Reviews are overwhelmingly positive, with 3/10 being negative. But those reviewers never actually got to meet the girl.

I do understand that a wasted trip is annoying.

But maybe there could be an alternative labeling? Something like "No meet" or "Time waster", leaving proper Negative reviews for actually bad meets?

Just a thought!

The point of reviews is to give people information about an SP.

No matter how good her services are, letting people know she may not honour said booking is important.

Especially if there is a pattern. Those reviews for example are more valuable to me than a negative review where an SP doesn't deliver on expectations when you see her.

[ulstersubbie]

My time is valuable to me as much as their time is to them. If they don't respect my time, they deserve a negative review.

+1

[trainspotter]

At one time there were only 2 categories, positive or negative, then neutral was introduced to give better options and that has worked well ever since.  If it isn't broken don't try to fix it.

I have sometimes wished for a 5 scale review system:
Excellent
Good
Average
Poor
Terrible
but at the end of the day I have to agree that the three scale system in place sharpens the mind, is a bit more resilient to individual taste and preference, and is a sharper tool for the reader.

I don't see a need for a separate timewasting category. Depending on circumstances, such as time between cancellation and arranged meeing, apology, credible reason, and arrangement for an alternative time, there might be mention of the postponement in a subsequent positive review, or a neutral that would have been positive apart from this. Any of these being unsatisfactory would in my view bring it down to straight neutral or more likely a negative.

If I turned up at the correct place at the correct time and got told to wait over 10 mins or go away or worst of all got radio silence, then I would be placing a negative for sure.

[Moby Dick]

Why does it need to be separated?
It’s negative for a reason, including bad time keeping, bad comms, especially no shows.

For your example and anyone I was thinking about spending £100hh I would read all the reviews. Starting with the negative ones.

If I was buying a £100 “juicer” from Am***n I would do the same.
First I would identify a product I like the look of with all the functions I desire.
I would then choose a supplier who consistently delivers on time, I wouldn’t pick a supplier who has negatives for the goods not being delivered. If there was only one supplier then I would way up the risks or pick a different product that would be delivered on time (more reliable)

[Al R]

Anyone who wastes my time would get a neg. Last neg I gave was for exactly that - I just put “time waster” in with the review heading so without even reading the review it was obvious what it was for

[Adoniron]

What can be more deserving of a negative than an SP failing to honour a booking?

[daviemac]

Most of the things mentioned on this thread are required to be included in a review and should be considered when deciding a rating.

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[Blackpool Rock]

I have sometimes wished for a 5 scale review system:
Excellent
Good
Average
Poor
Terrible
but at the end of the day I have to agree that the three scale system in place sharpens the mind, is a bit more resilient to individual taste and preference, and is a sharper tool for the reader.

I don't see a need for a separate timewasting category. Depending on circumstances, such as time between cancellation and arranged meeing, apology, credible reason, and arrangement for an alternative time, there might be mention of the postponement in a subsequent positive review, or a neutral that would have been positive apart from this. Any of these being unsatisfactory would in my view bring it down to straight neutral or more likely a negative.

If I turned up at the correct place at the correct time and got told to wait over 10 mins or go away or worst of all got radio silence, then I would be placing a negative for sure.

I know what you mean as sometimes i struggle giving a positive when it's half way between positive and neutral and sometimes a Negative seems harsh, 1st world problems eh 

I'm thinking the OP will probably end up wishing he didn't start this thread as nobody seems to be agreeing and personally I think a no show should be a stone wall Negative,
I've done quite a few Negatives for girls that have ghosted me on arrival but they have wasted a lot of my time and effort in doing so -
Time needed looking at AW then messaging to arrange the punt, i had one girl who advertised working in a hotel in Bury a couple of days in advance and I booked her plus got confirmation mid morning on the day of the punt that we were still good.
I then showered etc before setting off on a journey that can take an hour and a half if traffic is bad so i allowed 2 hours then waited for about 30 minutes after the scheduled appointment time, then an hour and 15 to drive back home and 100+ miles of fuel

She wasted over 4 hours of my time and £20 in travel costs, personally i don't see this as anything other than a Negative despite me managing to schedule a parlour punt nearby to save the day

Also not forgetting that some punter with families only get a rare chance to punt so have to plan it like a military operation

[vernon]

Yeah you make good point guys.

Come to think of it, before I knew about AW (and this site), I had my fair share of no shows.
And I probably would have written a corresponding amount of negative reviews...

Hasn't happened once afterwards because I was able to discern good SPs... thanks to reviews, probably 

But then again - have a second look at the link I posted in my OP.

The girl looks amazing, was seen 15 times by NFS (who's clearly having a merry christmas  ) but she does have 3 negs for no shows. What's an honest punter to do? 

[vernon]

me, then an hour and 15 to drive back home and 100+ miles of fuel

She wasted over 4 hours of my time and £20 in travel costs, personally i don't see this as anything other than a Negative despite me managing to schedule a parlour punt nearby to save the day

Also not forgetting that some punter with families only get a rare chance to punt so have to plan it like a military operation

Yes again a very good point.

I have not considered scenarios like this because I almost never even consider punts over 1 hour away...

[petermisc]

But maybe there could be an alternative labeling? Something like "No meet" or "Time waster", leaving proper Negative reviews for actually bad meets?

If there were a category for time waster, then there would need to be a definition of what was acceptable and what not.  10 minutes? 15? 20?  Different people have different tolerances, so that would immediately cause disputes.

The solution is for you to actually read the reviews, and not just count the number of pos and negs.  Just because someone else has had a positive with an SP doesn't mean you will, if you are after different things or they are prepared to overlook things you are not.  Similarly someone else may give a negative for something that isn't important to you.

[JonasG]

Being ghosted is one of the worst experiences in punting IMO.

These negatives are just as important and mean just as much as a bad experience through an actual meet.

And it's definitely a black mark for the WG even if she has positives from actual meets.

[Moby Dick]

Yeah you make good point guys.

Come to think of it, before I knew about AW (and this site), I had my fair share of no shows.
And I probably would have written a corresponding amount of negative reviews...

Hasn't happened once afterwards because I was able to discern good SPs... thanks to reviews, probably 

But then again - have a second look at the link I posted in my OP.

The girl looks amazing, was seen 15 times by NFS (who's clearly having a merry christmas  ) but she does have 3 negs for no shows. What's an honest punter to do? 

30% risk of not having a punt is not great odds.
Why do you keep promoting her?
You must have doubts of no show otherwise you’d of just booked her by now?

The only positive I can see is if she became a regular and you booked her for 10 half hours you could save £300 due to no shows. but even then my time is more valuable to me, so I wouldn’t bother.

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[Billy no mates]

How do people feel about ‘late in the day’ cancellations ?

So not technically ghosted, but a couple of hours away from meet, get a text stating
‘there is a heating problem in my flat, waiting for repair people, and I don’t know when they are coming’
Sounds like bollocks to me, but not technically ghosted, however to late to arrange something else

Opinions please.

For the record I always neg a ghosting.

[JonasG]

How do people feel about ‘late in the day’ cancellations ?

So not technically ghosted, but a couple of hours away from meet, get a text stating
‘there is a heating problem in my flat, waiting for repair people, and I don’t know when they are coming’
Sounds like bollocks to me, but not technically ghosted, however to late to arrange something else

Opinions please.

For the record I always neg a ghosting.

It's annoying but as long as I've not set off yet to see her then I'm not too bothered by those.

As long as they let you know long enough (irrespective of the reason) you haven't started making your way there.

[Billy no mates]

It's annoying but as long as I've not set off yet to see her then I'm not too bothered by those.

As long as they let you know long enough (irrespective of the reason) you haven't started making your way there.

Fair comment, now see if you can guess what has literally just happened to me today …..

[tynetunnel]

Fair comment, now see if you can guess what has literally just happened to me today …..

Did you get a text saying the heating wasn’t working and she didn’t know what time the repair people would be coming? 

[Blackpool Rock]

It's annoying but as long as I've not set off yet to see her then I'm not too bothered by those.

As long as they let you know long enough (irrespective of the reason) you haven't started making your way there.

Yes it may fuck your plans up for the day however I view fair warning as an occupational hazard of punting

[JonasG]

Their bullshit excuses have never bothered me tbh lol, I've had some strange ones over the years.

As long as they tell you the booking isn't happening. WGs should just realise they don't need some fancy excuse lol, just tell me the booking isn't happening and I'm happy you've told me. I don't need any further details.

[Poopster]

Fewer categories = less ambiguity.  It's like percentage; if we rated meets out of 100, that'd be silly, there's little to discern between a 76% rating and a 75% rating.  Positive, negative and neutral are about as complicated a system as we need. 

And for me, timewasting is simple, if ypu do a review then it's a neg.  It doesn't matter whether I've travelled 5 mins or an hour, taken half a day off work or just had a last minute dose of the horn, if a girl agrees to a booking and then gives you radio silence or some made-up bollocks it's a big fat red mark.

[Billy no mates]

Did you get a text saying the heating wasn’t working and she didn’t know what time the repair people would be coming? 

You’ve literally hit the nail on the head.

What a shame.

[LLPunting]

You’ve literally hit the nail on the head.

What a shame.

It seems at least one round here might be inclined to use a different SIM to call all the plumbers and heating engineers in the area to verify the story...

[Billy no mates]

It seems at least one round here might be inclined to use a different SIM to call all the plumbers and heating engineers in the area to verify the story...

 

[JontyR]

Well according to one website that I've seen on the internet, there are quite a few plumbers who end up rescuing some lady in distress. She is often wearing underwear many would consider impractical.

They get well rewarded too.

[Blackpool Rock]

Well according to one website that I've seen on the internet, there are quite a few plumbers who end up rescuing some lady in distress. She is often wearing underwear many would consider impractical.

They get well rewarded too.

I've got a mate whose a plumber and over the years he's had a few women who have thrown themselves at him despite him not being an oil painting.
I think it's normally when he's done a job for them before and they call him out again for another quote on something or for a problem they claim to have but don't, one woman claimed a leak but had thrown a cup of water under the sink etc

Unfortunately it's never some hot 20 something but usually some ugly old bird in her 50's 

[jeanphillipe]

Current system works great.


You should treat is as a general guide.

A negative doesnt always mean avoid. Sometimes it warrants further checking and sometimes when you read it; the negative the op mentions won't be a negative for you etc

Also if you see one time watering negative and mostly positive you can chalk it to a one off

E.g there is a popular reviewed escort with a negative in here ( actuall example )

She has some neutrals aswell , the negative mentioned BO now since its just one amongst many positive I will just chalk it do a bad day for the escort.  ( not excusable of course) but likelihood being she will mostly smell nice.

Likewise some positive won't be a pos for you either e.g recently saw a pos of an escorting the size of a killer whale. And looks are subjective some ppl like super bbws

[Richthescouser]

Fewer categories = less ambiguity.  It's like percentage; if we rated meets out of 100, that'd be silly, there's little to discern between a 76% rating and a 75% rating.  Positive, negative and neutral are about as complicated a system as we need. 

And for me, timewasting is simple, if ypu do a review then it's a neg.  It doesn't matter whether I've travelled 5 mins or an hour, taken half a day off work or just had a last minute dose of the horn, if a girl agrees to a booking and then gives you radio silence or some made-up bollocks it's a big fat red mark.

I know a fair few rating systems that are based on percentage give a gap - 0-20%, 25-50%, 60-75%, 80-100%. Makes it easier in many ways to pick a clear rating.

[Shadow314]

On the OP timewasting should always be a Negative.  There are girls that manage to never mess around punters, makes sense they end up with better review stats.
Whether you want to see a SP with timewasting negs is up to you, but I'm always glad of the intel on it.  Also helps me in knowing to have a solid Plan B if taking a punt on a girl with previous for time-wasting.

How do people feel about ‘late in the day’ cancellations ?

So not technically ghosted, but a couple of hours away from meet, get a text stating
‘there is a heating problem in my flat, waiting for repair people, and I don’t know when they are coming’
Sounds like bollocks to me, but not technically ghosted, however to late to arrange something else

Opinions please.

For the record I always neg a ghosting.

Agree on neg for ghosting. 
The late cancellations I personally don't neg, shit happens, and would usually end up rearranging the booking.  Hard to ever know if the excuse given is genuine or not, likely not, but I'm not too bothered on real reason as long as the SP is polite and lets me know in time.

[RandomGuy99]

I think the current 3 is good. Reviewers just need to provide a reason for the rating when reviewing. We don't need anything more complicated than that.

[southcoastpunter]

I think the current 3 is good. Reviewers just need to provide a reason for the rating when reviewing. We don't need anything more complicated than that.

100% right. its the detail given in reviews that is the important factor not the rating.

why we are still discussing this i don't know - i think its been made it clear in this thread and others that it isn't going to change any time soon!.   And what someone thinks should be a negative or not is frankly irrelevant - its the reviewers and only the reviewers decision.

[king tarzan]

1 chance only
I'm a decent open minded person to realise something last second can go wrong
But if again then negative all night long 24/7

[nbarnes]

I would imagine I am also easier going on unreliability than the average punter.

To me, poor service\cons\lies is far worse.

I would rather be messed around with my money still in my pocket, than to have felt that I was conned out of what is increasingly a large sum of money.

One is frustrating, the other is infuriating.

It's down to the punter how they feel about timewasting and whether it is a negative or not.
As others have said, its the patterns that you have to look for. I have punted a few girls with negatives for timekeeping\reliability etc and been fine.

[king tarzan]

I would imagine I am also easier going on unreliability than the average punter.

To me, poor service\cons\lies is far worse.

I would rather be messed around with my money still in my pocket, than to have felt that I was conned out of what is increasingly a large sum of money.

One is frustrating, the other is infuriating.

It's down to the punter how they feel about timewasting and whether it is a negative or not.
As others have said, its the patterns that you have to look for. I have punted a few girls with negatives for timekeeping\reliability etc and been fine.

Cons lies are extremely annoying
Especially when you travel from one side of London to another
Get stuck in traffic jams and are super super dying for a long piss!!

[somedouche]

How do people feel about ‘late in the day’ cancellations ?

So not technically ghosted, but a couple of hours away from meet, get a text stating
‘there is a heating problem in my flat, waiting for repair people, and I don’t know when they are coming’
Sounds like bollocks to me, but not technically ghosted, however to late to arrange something else

Opinions please.

For the record I always neg a ghosting.

I've had this happen 3 times from 2 different providers lately. So annoying that I will definitely reflect upon it if I ever get to see them and then post a review.

I think ghosting deserves a stand-alone negative review so that it stands out because it's unacceptable! Last-minute cancelations - I'm a bit iffy cos that could create a deluge of negative reviews that might be hard to navigate so I'd say not. Just include it in a review if you do get to see them another time or post a comment in SP's recent review.

[itk]

My time is valuable to me as much as their time is to them. If they don't respect my time, they deserve a negative review.

+1.

[petermisc]

Last-minute cancelations - I'm a bit iffy cos that could create a deluge of negative reviews that might be hard to navigate so I'd say not.

If an SP is making a deluge of last-minute cancellations, then she deserves a deluge of negative reviews.

[daviemac]

I've had this happen 3 times from 2 different providers lately. So annoying that I will definitely reflect upon it if I ever get to see them and then post a review.

I think ghosting deserves a stand-alone negative review so that it stands out because it's unacceptable! Last-minute cancelations - I'm a bit iffy cos that could create a deluge of negative reviews that might be hard to navigate so I'd say not. Just include it in a review if you do get to see them another time or post a comment in SP's recent review.

So are you actually saying negative reviews shouldn't be posted because there might be too many for people to read??   

The whole ethos of the site is to post reviews in order to help fellow punters and posting a positive not long after a negative is one of the acceptable situations where reviews of the same SP can be posted within a short space of time. Posting a negative comment in a positive review can be misleading.

I've actually done it myself, I booked an escort I wanted to see but got cancelled at short notice so I posted a negative for the cancellation. However I did want to see her so booked again and had a great punt and posted a positive, if my negative review didn't put me off booking then why would it put anyone else off.

As with any review the reader should take what information he finds useful and act accordingly.