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Offline mcardle464

I promised some time ago to let UKPers know about my experiments with natural sex enhancing nutrients.  Unfortunately I have not been punting so this has been in abeyance.

However, I have used them successfully with Martina Love the other day.

(I posted here with some earlier information in response to ForrestGump's useful posting https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=32722.msg455779#msg455779).

I prefer the terms natural sex enhancers or pro-sexual nutrients, as “aphrodisiacs” comes with a freight of antique meaning that I'd like to move beyond.

Background

Often for men performance may be sub-optimal in the fucking department.

I think this may be because of

1. Anxiety/Stress

2. Porn induced erectile Dysfunction (PIED)  See here  External Link/Members Only -essentially it is possible to (inadvertently) train your brain off women and onto screen stimulation.

3. Aging

4. Sub-optimal chemical precursors available to body and brain for spunking and orgasm.  For example, your testes need zinc to create sperm, but often people are deficient in zinc in their diet.


NOTE 1:  Although it is taken for granted in Western medicine that as men age their hard-ons decline, I read somewhere that men in hunter-gatherer/tribal societies suffer little of this, so it may be that poor western diet and the hardening/plaque buildup in penile arteries is responsible for the phenomenon. External Link/Members Only says that 50% of ED in men over 50 is caused by atherosclerosis (hardening of the arteries).

I believe I have been suffering from points 1-3 for sure.  I have gone cold-turkey on the internet porn, and it was surprisingly easy when I realised what it was doing to me;  I have watched some a couple of times but I am not going to online XXXX sites every day as I used to.

Natural sex enhancers v. Viagra/Cialis and the like

I have found that Viagra and Cialis make it very difficult for me to come.  I have formed the opinion that natural sex boosters can have significant effects, without some of the downsides of those prescribed medicines.  The costs are about the same now you can get blue pills in ASDA so this is not a cheaper route as it used to be. Often the effect of natural enhancers is not immediate like Viagra, you need to take them for days for a more subtle effect.

NOTE 2:  It is nonsense to think that there is a division between “natural substances “ and “artificial chemicals”.  All sorts of natural products have side-effects;  Belladonna is perfectly natural, but you wouldn't eat it, would you? 

The substances I will be choosing seem to me to be reasonably safe, or I wouldn't put them in my body, however there has been insufficient research in this area so there are possible ill effects, so do be sensible if you take any of these things.  Discontinue if there are adverse effects.

My normal intake

On a normal day I take a multi-vitamin, 1-3 grams of vitamin C powder (Calcium ascorbate), 25mg of DHEA, and some omega 3 & 6 oils.

Natural Sex Enhancers

In the days before the last punt I took:

MACA 500 mg and Horny Goat weed 1000 mg.

Odourless Garlic capsules

Drank Red roibos tea (GABA enhancer)

On the day of the punt

in addition I took double DHEA (50 mg instead of 25)
A couple of grams of arginine powder, and 10 drops of yohimbine tincture in fruit juice approximately an hour before the punt.

NOTE 3:  Half life

This is a common scientific/medical term denoting the time it takes for half the substance to be used up. Arginine has a short half life, so it will reach its highest concentration an hour or two after ingestion.

Substances in capsules and tablets take longer to dissolve than pure powders in the stomach, so probably add 20-30 mins to the time.


The effect

I came very quickly with OWO and a hand job (around 5 mins). It was a considerable difference to my last couple of punts, which were pretty arduous for the poor old WG, and unsatisfactory for me.  I didn't know about PIED then;  it appears that I have gone too far the other way.  This is progress, of a sort ;-).

NOTE 4: Titration

This is another medical term, meaning upping the dose till you reach the optimal one for you.  People are all different, and these sort of substances often have an “inverted U shaped dosage curve”  i.e there is an optimal dosage at the top of the curve, and taking more will not make things better, but worse.  I expect that most of these enhancers will have optimal doses;  what is optimal for me won't necessarily be optimal for you, so you will need to titrate the dose.  Often best to start with a lower dose and work up.


Sources of information

Dr Ray Sahelian wrote Natural Sex Boosters  a good book and there's also good info on his website External Link/Members Only

The Life Extension Foundation is also good for generally accurate information at the cutting edge of science External Link/Members Only  you can search their site for articles about sex enhancement and sexual dysfunction.

Some of you with analytical tendencies (I'm looking at you, Jason  ;)) will undoubtedly point out that the above experiment is highly unscientific. Even if you accept the lack of a control group, I took multiple substances and didn't utilise just one for my subjective report. 

I agree.  It would be better to shag a WG without enhancement, report, then take a single substance for say 5 days, go back to her again, and repeat the process.  Unfortunately I lack the funds to do this properly. Anyone want to sponsor me?   :D. A small price to pay for science, I feel.  I thought not, so you'll have to bear with this imperfect procedure.

Next enhancer to test:

I have heard good reports for Ashwagandha and I am now taking this.

If you also take such enhancers, please do report your findings in this thread.

LL

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I wouldn't be comfortable putting all that stuff in my body on a regular basis.  What is "natural" and how does that differ from prescription drugs other than the level of affect that the chemicals within it have on the body?  Most things are natural.  You know that aspirin comes from the bark of a tree, right?  And heroin comes from the seeds of the poppy.  All natural.

I'll only take something for a punt, not on a daily basis.  So at the most, once per week.  I find that 50mg of Sildenfil Citrate washed down with a can of ready-mixed Gin & Tonic from the nearest off-license prior to a punt can help me last for my entire 30 minutes.  That's my routine.  Gin & Tonic are both totally natural.  OK, Sildenafil is a synthetic drug but I've tried Horny Goat weed and similar things as an alternative and they didn't do anything for me apart from make me a bit poorer.


Offline Watts.E.Dunn

I think that  PGIED  is the worst form known to man thats to say indifferent disintrested WG's have a FAR greater effet than any other cause;-!(..

(Punting Greif Induced Erectile Disintrest)

DogFace36

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  Interesting post.  I've found that as I'm into my 50's,  my interval between punts has got longer and sexual desire has fallen off quite a bit.  Might try a zinc capsule and a multivitamin every day to see if there's any improvement. Will report back.

JV547845

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Good for you OP if it works for you despite the fact your post reads a bit like one of those spam emails I get occasionally.

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Good for you OP if it works for you despite the fact your post reads a bit like one of those spam emails I get occasionally.

It reminded me of a previous post (a good couple of years ago or so) where the poster was drinking certain things at certain times and recommended literature, but a quick search hasn't shown anything. Perhaps it was deleted.

EDITED...this was one that I was thinking of, although it's this year, I still didn't find the other:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=26607.0
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tonysoprano

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Zinc, multi-vitamins with B complex and Yohimbine are the only supplements I take. Have tried Horny Goat Weed but didn't think it made much difference.

I'm a keen weighlifter and a lot of studies show the benefits of lifting weights for male testosterone production.

Itr certainly doesn't hurt to get yourself fitter or stronger if you want to perform better in bed. Sex is after all a type of exercise that raises the heart-rate so logically someone who's fitter should be able to last longer and have more stamina.

LL

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Itr certainly doesn't hurt to get yourself fitter or stronger if you want to perform better in bed. Sex is after all a type of exercise that raises the heart-rate so logically someone who's fitter should be able to last longer and have more stamina.
What if sex is the only exercise I enjoy?
And what if I can't afford to do it often enough to feel the benefit of this exercise?  :D

Offline PumpAction

I wouldn't be comfortable putting all that stuff in my body on a regular basis.  What is "natural" and how does that differ from prescription drugs other than the level of affect that the chemicals within it have on the body?  Most things are natural.  You know that aspirin comes from the bark of a tree, right?  And heroin comes from the seeds of the poppy.  All natural.

I'll only take something for a punt, not on a daily basis.  So at the most, once per week.  I find that 50mg of Sildenfil Citrate washed down with a can of ready-mixed Gin & Tonic from the nearest off-license prior to a punt can help me last for my entire 30 minutes.  That's my routine.  Gin & Tonic are both totally natural.  OK, Sildenafil is a synthetic drug but I've tried Horny Goat weed and similar things as an alternative and they didn't do anything for me apart from make me a bit poorer.

Aspirin and heroin are not natural. They are both chemically synthesized.

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Aspirin and heroin are not natural. They are both chemically synthesized.

Heroin comes from a certain genus of poppy seeds. Aspirin is from a certain tree bark IIRC - although the tablets ARE chemically synthed.

Offline PumpAction

Heroin comes from a certain genus of poppy seeds. Aspirin is from a certain tree bark IIRC - although the tablets ARE chemically synthed.

A Pringle comes from a potato. Doesn't make it natural.

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A Pringle comes from a potato. Doesn't make it natural.

That's a fair point.

cylon

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Its already been mentioned but arginine is supposed to have viagra like qualities. It needs to be taken over a period of time though, like a few weeks. I use it as a training supplement and I believe it does have some effect. Or is it I just believe it does? That's probably the real sexual aid, what's in your mind (unless you do have an actual physical problem) When you think about it,  its quite a high pressure situation you're in. You're about to have sex with someone you've never met before, you've got half an hour or maybe just fifteen minutes to get yourself settled, turned on and ready to perform with the lingering thought in the back of your mind, I hope I don't make a complete twat of myself and not be able to get a hard on. You can see why people just think fuck that , I'm not wasting a hundred notes or whatever when they can pretty much guarantee to fuck like a porn star by just taking a bluey

LL

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Heroin comes from a certain genus of poppy seeds. Aspirin is from a certain tree bark IIRC - although the tablets ARE chemically synthed.
Looks like I have awoken the resident chemists here.
Aspirin originally came from the bark of a tree.  See my amazing Wikipeida-based research... :)
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The active ingredient of Aspirin was first discovered from the bark of the willow tree in 1763 by Edward Stone of Wadham College, University of Oxford.
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Yes, the same ingredient can also be produced synthetically.

The point I was making is that just because some things people take are considered, "natural" it doesn't automatically make them safe.  I'll personally only take stuff I've bought in a pharmacy and received professional advice on.  i.e. Sildenafil - which I take when I need it - not as a daily routine.  Some of the stuff the OP is taking has known side effects and can be harmful to health. 

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Some researchers believe DHEA supplements might actually raise the risk of breast cancer, prostate cancer, heart disease, diabetes,[17] and stroke. DHEA may stimulate tumor growth in types of cancer that are sensitive to hormones, such as some types of breast, uterine, and prostate cancer.[17] DHEA may increase prostate swelling in men with benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), an enlarged prostate gland.

Also, not everything the OP is taking is "natural" anyway!
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There's no way I'd put that concoction into my body, regardless of what the OP's book on "natural sex boosters" has taught him  :D

Offline Happylad

The best aid to sexual performance (or, at least, the one which always works for me) is the delightful anticipation of undressing a really fit and willing young woman and fucking her brains out.  When that stops working I shall give up - and I`m well into my eighties now - although I do have to take a little longer to recover between punts.

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I shall give up - and I`m well into my eighties now - although

No fucking way.. : :unknown:



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The best aid to sexual performance (or, at least, the one which always works for me) is the delightful anticipation of undressing a really fit and willing young woman and fucking her brains out.  When that stops working I shall give up - and I`m well into my eighties now - although I do have to take a little longer to recover between punts.

Bloody good on ya!  :drinks: :yahoo: :dancegirl:

Offline SamLP

Interesting topic. I've had a transformation this year regarding my health so several factors have improved my sexual performance. I've lost weight through regular exercise and a change in my eating habits. More fruit and veg, less junk and a big decrease in my sugar intake. I went through a period where getting excited for a second pop was difficult or becoming soft if fucking for a prolonged period. It was frustrating. I looked into some enhancers. I'v never taken viagra and don't intend to until I get to an age where I cannot function. Having read several researches and waffle online I decided to start taking Ginkgo Biloba tablets, it is actually a leaf which improves brain memory and cognitive function but also has the same effect in pushing blood into the nether regions. A prolonged prescription would see changes after several months of use. I thought why not, being forgetful sometimes it would serve two things. I also drink a lot of green tea, drink ginger occasionally, take odourless garlic tablets and try to eat fish at least once a week and dabbled once with ginseng tablets. I've had a massive improvement, getting hard isn't a big problem, so too is getting it up for a second time after the first punt. Honestly I can't credit a particular tablet or a change in habits. It's a mixture of all. The exercise has certainly given me the ability to hold off my pop and last much longer.

Offline mcardle464

Thanks for the interesting replies.  I agree about fitness and exercise, that is obviously important.

Offline SamLP

Forgot to add that I read Gingko Biloba does not mix well with Ibuprofen. Thickens the blood apparently, so anyone with a heart condition taking Ibuprofen should be careful.

Offline mcardle464

@ LL  I do think you should actually try to understand what you post from wikipedia, before you discuss what is natural and what is not.  I imagine you think that posting links from it is actually high level research. Bless.

LL

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@ LL  I do think you should actually try to understand what you post from wikipedia, before you discuss what is natural and what is not.  I imagine you think that posting links from it is actually high level research. Bless.
And I think your daily potions have frazzled your brain.
You saw my smiley face next to my very own admission of using wikipedia for research - thus the whole post was tongue in cheek.
You enjoy your anal routine of supplements and I'll save my money for punts.

Offline mcardle464

Update



I have been continuing my experiments with Natural Sex Enhancers and am posting my results.  I have recommendations which I hope will be of value to UKP members, given the amount of inquiries about viagra that pop up.

However, please note that this is just my experience, so you may have a different one.  I would like to run some kind of scientific test, but although I could I am sure get UKP members to have shags with placebos/active compounds in a classic blind test, and record the results, I am afraid that getting Science Funding bodies to sponsor my research seems a little unlikely, even though I think it would be step forward for human knowledge. AW profiles could have a little logo: Fucks for The Science Research Council on them as a reward for participating perhaps?

Firstly though, a negative

Ashwagandha – made me feel slightly unwell after a few days of taking it – had minor runs.  Discontinued. 


Erections:

Arginine/Pycnogenol

After a couple of weeks of taking this I got harder erections.  There is some scientific evidence for this, see here for example:

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I took Arginine in the powder form so it was easy to take 2g per day in juice + 100 mg pycnogenol.

+ Cialis/Viagra

I cut up tablets so I was only taking 1/3 of a blue pill.  These are synergistic with the above. I got powerful, long-lasting erections. I think this is because the two different compounds groups work in different ways and so maximise the effect.

I didn't get the side effects either – no headaches or difficulty in coming and the next day I woke up with a boner like I hadn't had since my teens.  I suggest that this combo would be good for staying power at parties.

Arginine Cream

This was suggested in one of the ED sites, but I couldn't find any.  So I made some by buying some Aqueous Cream in a pharmacy and mixing Arginine powder in with it (Not all of it, I took some out of the big tub into a small jar).  This works fine, it dissolves ok with a bit of stirring.  Aqueous cream is just a white cream base but I expect you could use any moisturiser. I wouldn't open arginine capsules and tip the contents in as capsules and tablets contain filler, which might be gritty. 

How to use: you just rub it in.

Seems to work quite quickly.

Orgasm

Choline/Inositol capsules

The idea was to increase the availability of  neurotransmitter GABA which is implicated in orgasm.  You can not take it directly but have to use precursors like Choline and Inositol.  Take an hour before sex.

Results: improved orgasms.  Note, this also should work for women but I felt that offering strange pills to WGs would not be a good idea.

I hope this is of use.  Please post any results if you try any of this, positive or negative.

LL

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Update

+ Cialis/Viagra

I cut up tablets so I was only taking 1/3 of a blue pill.  These are synergistic with the above. I got powerful, long-lasting erections. I think this is because the two different compounds groups work in different ways and so maximise the effect.

I didn't get the side effects either – no headaches or difficulty in coming and the next day I woke up with a boner like I hadn't had since my teens.  I suggest that this combo would be good for staying power at parties.

The quackdoctor returns.  What nuggets of medical wisdom are you serving up for us this time? :D
Are you saying that both should be taken together?  Mixing two prescription-only erectile disfunction drugs is not recommended!  In fact anyone who has read the leaflet that comes with either drug (the legitimate kind bought from a pharmacist not bought from a "Canadian" [Chinese] online pharmacy will know that it's dangerous to take two such drugs together.  They can raise your heart-rate and blood pressure if I remember correctly.
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Offline mcardle464

To clarify, a third of a cialis or a third of a viagra tablet. I wasn't suggesting they should be both taken together...I said "a blue pill" meaning one of either type.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2015, 10:50:25 pm by mcardle464 »

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To clarify, a third of a cialis or a third of a viagra tablet. I wasn't suggesting they should be both taken together...I said "a blue pill" meaning one of either type.

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MrBridger

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The best aid to sexual performance (or, at least, the one which always works for me) is the delightful anticipation of undressing a really fit and willing young woman
+1. Nothing kills a boner quicker than a disinterested partner, and nothing gets me harder than a woman who responds to what I'm doing to her. Nothing else reported here can be regarded as anything other than placebo effect without rigorous clinical trials. EnglishPhoebe of Derby  (External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only) might be able to add usefully to this thread given her area of study but not sure whether she's a member of UKP.

LL

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To clarify, a third of a cialis or a third of a viagra tablet. I wasn't suggesting they should be both taken together...I said "a blue pill" meaning one of either type.
OK, well I wouldn't take either of them with any other chemicals including Arginine which you did suggest mixing it with.
But that's up to you.

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

OK, be fair, sometimes there are accidental discoveries.

That famed Blue pill was orignally being devloped for Hypertension, thats high blood pressure, then someone noticed that their limp dick was a lot stiffer than it was before, thats how sometimes discoveries are made.

Offline Sonny Crockett

I think I've posted this already, but I use an enhancer that  is herbal and is sold in sex shops. It is based on a Tibetian receipe, is packaged in a red box and comes in green capsules. I've been using it for 5 years and find that it gives me great erections.

Offline maxxblue

The answer is cornflakes.

I have tested this out personally, and the results are conclusive.

Every time I have visited my favourite oriental girl, I have had a rock hard boner.

I was trying to work out the link, when I realised that each time I had visited her, I had eaten cornflakes for breakfast.

Cast-iron proof that cornflakes are the answer.  ;)

Offline PLeisure

The answer is cornflakes.

I have tested this out personally, and the results are conclusive.

Every time I have visited my favourite oriental girl, I have had a rock hard boner.

I was trying to work out the link, when I realised that each time I had visited her, I had eaten cornflakes for breakfast.

Cast-iron proof that cornflakes are the answer.  ;)


Right, but dairy milk or soya ??

Offline Marmalade



Right, but dairy milk or soya ??

all depends on how long you leave them to go soft or not  :D

Offline Marmalade

I wouldn't dismiss the OP out of hand but it does conjure up wishful thinking more than proof. The inositol mention was interesting as viagra etc don't increase orgasmic capacity so much as just maintain a stiffy and I'm sure many men would like to be able to spray a prossie with vast amounts of cum several times in a session.

But viagra and cialis are more tested than any of the other stuff. Isn't there a comparison with "legal highs" -- you are basically a guinea pig. If there is some reason medically when v or c are ill-advised, fair enough, as long as the alternatives aren't contra-indicated as well.

One supplement I have tried which I liked but is damned hard or damned expensive to get hold of is testosterone gel. Not just for the sex but the state of mind of a 21 year old. Amazing stuff and the literature on it is iffy in the sense that it's somehow quite safe if you are paying oodles for it yet dangerous if there is any chance whatsoever that the NHS might have to fork out for it.

Offline mcardle464

I appreciate that some people may have concerns about the safety and efficacy of some of this.  I am not putting forward anything I believe could be unsafe, although obviously different people react physically in different ways, and it would be unwise to combine anything I have suggested with, for example, recreational drugs, or large quantities of alcohol.

However, the arginine/pycnogenol combination has been studied using "randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind, cross-over study" methods- this is basically the platinum standard of medical testing.  These days there has to be an ethics committee overview before you can even start a test with volunteers.

Here is one of the peer-reviewed medical abstracts in full:

Improvement of erectile function by a combination of French maritime pine bark and roburins with aminoacids.
Stanislavov R1, Rohdewald P.
Author information
Abstract
AIM:
Primary objective of the study was the evaluation of effects of a combination of plant extracts and aminoacids on erectile function (ED).
METHODS:
The study was performed as a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind, cross-over study. 50 men with moderate ED received a combination of Pycnogenol®, roburins, L-arginine, L-citrulline or placebo. Sexual wellness was evaluated by the International Index of Erectile Function (IIEF).
RESULTS:
Treatment over a period of one month restored erectile function to normal.
CONCLUSION:
The combination offers an option for treatment of ED without unwanted effects.

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The conclusion of the Japanese paper I referenced in my earlier post is:

“ In particular, a marked improvement was observed in 'hardness of erection' and 'satisfaction with sexual intercourse'. A decrease in blood pressure, aspartate transaminase and γ-glutamyl transpeptidase (γ-GTP), and a slight increase in salivary testosterone were observed in the supplement group. No adverse reactions were observed during the study period. In conclusion, Pycnogenol® in combination with L-arginine as a dietary supplement is effective and safe in Japanese patients with mild to moderate erectile dysfunction.”

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Offline mcardle464

Yes, Marmalade, I do think there is a comparison with the "legal highs".  You are being a human guinea pig, so you have to decide yourself whether this is something you would be comfortable with.

I have thought quite a lot whether this is the placebo effect or "wishful thinking".  Obviously the placebo effect could be a part of it, but I really think there has been enough of an effect to make it worth sharing with other UKPers.

It's up to individuals to make choices if they think they might benefit from it, or not, that's fine by me.
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Offline Horizontal pleasures

The best aid to sexual performance (or, at least, the one which always works for me) is the delightful anticipation of undressing a really fit and willing young woman and fucking her brains out.  When that stops working I shall give up - and I`m well into my eighties now - although I do have to take a little longer to recover between punts.

in which case I am only 73

Offline Taggart

I'm not filling my body with all that stuff just to shag a WG!! 

Even at my age (I have a senior railcard) I have not too many worries in the stiffie department, but really want to increase the sperm output as I enjoy giving one particular lady a facial - and she loves receiving, but age impacts the volume, sadly.

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

I  suggest .. that you just grow old gracefully Taggart;!..

Offline Gordon Bennett

I'm not filling my body with all that stuff just to shag a WG!! 

Even at my age (I have a senior railcard) I have not too many worries in the stiffie department, but really want to increase the sperm output as I enjoy giving one particular lady a facial - and she loves receiving, but age impacts the volume, sadly.

I'm in 50s and noticed quantity tailing off. Started having a small glass of pomegranate juice and a small handful of walnuts every day and have noticed a lot more output that also seems a lot whiter/thicker. The juice is a bit expensive compared to normal juices, £3.75ish but Lidl do decent sized bags of shelled walnuts for £1.99. Also, right at point of coming I try and hold back for a few seconds and then let go. I get this sensation that first pop comes out followed right with a second pop so overall quantity looks doubled.

MrBridger

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Jesus this is turning into Masterchef. If I drizzle it with olive oil will that help?

Offline Marmalade

Jesus this is turning into Masterchef. If I drizzle it with olive oil will that help?

Yeah that sounds good.



Alternatively just put it straight on her tits.

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Offline Lydden

I'm not filling my body with all that stuff just to shag a WG!! 

Even at my age (I have a senior railcard) I have not too many worries in the stiffie department, but really want to increase the sperm output as I enjoy giving one particular lady a facial - and she loves receiving, but age impacts the volume, sadly.
You and me must be from a similar era , I must admit like you the wood department all seems OK but the volume of sperm is something I lack as well . I had the chop a good few years ago it might have just been me but felt that there was less produced even after that , plus I am not sure if it passes through the same area but I take pills to assist me with pissing because of my prostrate is slightly enlarged , maybe there a side effect there as well.