Punting in a cashless society

[daviemac]

I remember seeing these booths but I am not sure if 1) its when my older sister went in to buy the latest motown single or 2) I saw them on Midlands Today with Tom Coyne.

Either way, I think I missed the “booth” era by a hare’s whisker 

The shop we used to go to is still there, in the same place, J G Windows it's called, the record section was (is, they still sell vinyl along with CD + DVD) only a small part of what they sell, it varies from sheet music to any musical instrument you could imagine. Been going close on 115 years, not a bad record, excuse the pun.

[clittielicker]

I do believe that punting in a cashless society has lots of problems for punters who are in a relationship, however, looking at the cashless society from a different view has a lot of good points. By good points I mean robbery, I know of a chip shop that had been robbed at knife point, but when you think all those years ago how many people were in for their fish and chips at £5 a throw, add on 20 ciggies etc etc etc that is a very large and bulging till if the shop is a busy one. Now bleep and your ciggies, fish and chips are paid with much less risk to the shop, and no need to count lots of cash late at night or take it home via your local bar for a quick pint.

In Japan they have been using pre paid cards for years, one is called a Suica and I cannot remember the name of the other. They work really well and you can purchase drinks or snacks from vending machines that actually work, pay train or bus fare as well as other ways to use it, all you do is top it up like a payg phone. Now this would work as you can tell the other half Suica top up is low and top it up resulting in cash withdrawn from machines. Now to encourage people to use Suica for small items, like a previous entry said 4 pints of milk, there is a very small discount of around 1%, not a lot but it encourages people to use it, ideal for children's pocket money and adults punting money alike.

In the London area many people have an Oyster card, again top up required. Now how easy would it be for ladies to have a simple reader to take payment from your Oyster card. The lady would feel safer as she is not sitting at home on a busy weekend with a drawer full of cash. I am like a few of the others on here and see my punting days drawing to a close, for more than one reason.

Let's hope we can see cash for a bit longer and have less problems at home trying to get out for "happy ending hour".

[tynetunnel]

“Haddock and chips, jumbo sausage and chips, kids nuggets and chips, 2 mushy peas and a curry sauce, oh and 20 Rothmans and a pack of green Rizla please”

Said nobody ever! 

Maybe there is a chippy somewhere that sells tabs?

[signy]

One thing that I have noticed over the past year, is that it is getting increasingly difficult to quickly check card account statements by just casting an eye for an oddities. Buried amongst the endless supermarket, filling station, newsagent, bar, coffee shop, A*****n, etc, etc. purchases, there could be anything. Combined with a tendancy for companies to use a bank name that it totally different from what you would expect, and it sometimes takes a bit of digging before I can work out where a sum was spent. If anyone asked (which they won't), I doubt I could legitimately identify everything on a statement, and could easily make up some credible answer if required.

Clearly, if you use a CC to pay for a high priced duo, or for an SP who uses an explicit business name, then it will stand out like a sore thumb. However, for the odd 15-30 minute, reasonably priced punt, to a sensible account name, then it will disappear amongst the background noise. It all depends on how controlling, suspicious and investigative your OH is.
 

[dross]

For those who put balances on credit cards when the X months 0% interest rate runs out and you transfer it onto another card just overpay it by whatever you think you can get away with like £100-200 and then withdraw it and close the account, then there's no proof unless you stupidly kept the card statements...

Example... £5k on card A, you pay £200pm back, end of the year you have £3600 left on card A.  Take a new card B and transfer £3800 onto card A.  £200 credit now on card A, withdraw, CLOSE THE ACCOUNT and go get oily.  Can only really do once a year but it's an opportunity for a larger amount that's hard to trace.

[clittielicker]

Once a year I think another plan is required, cash back at Asda is still a good bet. So ladies if any of you read this can you help out and provide the service for free, great idea.

[mrwhite]

A girl I see occasionally told me that she prefers if I pay her through Revolut and I was tempted to start doing that. But that means revealing my 'real' mobile number. She's a nice girl and gave me her 'real' mobile number. It's not that I don't trust her but I'm too paranoid to do that.

IIRC If you both have the app already then if you pick her from your contact list it doesn't give her your number.

[mrwhite]

“Haddock and chips, jumbo sausage and chips, kids nuggets and chips, 2 mushy peas and a curry sauce, oh and 20 Rothmans and a pack of green Rizla please”

Said nobody ever! 

Maybe there is a chippy somewhere that sells tabs?

I can find at least 1 within a mile of me... it also sells bog roll and pet food (and they deliver too)

[daviemac]

I can find at least 1 within a mile of me... it also sells bog roll and pet food (and they deliver too)

I've been alive quite a long time but have never seen a fish and chip shop that sells cigarettes, there's not enough profit in it.

[Home Alone]

Once a year I think another plan is required, cash back at Asda is still a good bet. So ladies if any of you read this can you help out and provide the service for free, great idea.

Is cashback still on offer at Asda? I don't know why; but I thought that most supermarkets had phased it out.

[jonnw16]

Is cashback still on offer at Asda? I don't know why; but I thought that most supermarkets had phased it out.

Last time I used the self service tills it was (and they have recently put in new POS devices at that store, so it suggests it's not going away any time soon).

[sparkus]

As discussed on a previous thread, what IS happening now is girls in a variety of settings (massage shops, private dance areas) asking for eye-watering bank transfers, which is obviously a lot easier to do in an era of online banking apps (though what an OH would say on a joint account...)

[springpunter]

I am thinking up a good reason to visit Asda to check on the cash back situation.  More likely problem I am going to have is to explain why I have pass Tesco, Lidil, Morrisons, Tesco express and a Sainsbury to get to Asda 

[Marmalade]

It’s only going to be offered in a country where punting is completely regulated. Melbourne Australia maybe. The luxury former brothels in Argentina. Plus several Brazilian termas accept credit cards (at reception — nothing is paid directly to the p4p. Probably most FKKs but not my scene.  P4ps refusing cash? I don’t think so.

I know of one former p4p that offered the option of a card machine. She was very widely respected. She also apparently scammed a punter for a boob job. Probably a sort of retirement present to herself.

I believe it is an idle ‘what if’ on the part of the OP.

[Marmalade]

One thing that I have noticed over the past year, is that it is getting increasingly difficult to quickly check card account statements by just casting an eye for an oddities. Buried amongst the endless supermarket, filling station, newsagent, bar, coffee shop, A*****n, etc, etc. purchases, there could be anything. Combined with a tendancy for companies to use a bank name that it totally different from what you would expect, and it sometimes takes a bit of digging before I can work out where a sum was spent. If anyone asked (which they won't), I doubt I could legitimately identify everything on a statement, and could easily make up some credible answer if required.

Clearly, if you use a CC to pay for a high priced duo, or for an SP who uses an explicit business name, then it will stand out like a sore thumb. However, for the odd 15-30 minute, reasonably priced punt, to a sensible account name, then it will disappear amongst the background noise. It all depends on how controlling, suspicious and investigative your OH is.
 

I can’t imagine using a CC for a fifteen minuter anywhere but I do find the CC statement clutter a bit annoying. I’m trying to think of a way round it, like using one card for everyday things and another card for purchases over a certain amount. But then there’s always the possibility that a card machine doesn’t recognise a card of choice.

Apple are increasing the iPhone ability to pay for stuff with a scan though I’m not keen. The nice thing about cash is the ability to only carry as much as you need and to be able to check that particular balance in your pocket without going online. There’s a variety of debit cards that can be pre-loaded for travelling abroad though they’ve never appealed to me either.

[Johnnyx2]

Question - I  am wanting to book overnight and I am confused about the best way to pay. Don't really want to be visiting ATMS and collecting cash over a week. how can you setup paypal annomously

[daverfc]

My method in a cashless society and also prior to the pandemic is to have a bank account which the other half knows about, but its purely used for my betting activities when I need to deposit money from that account. I have a decent float on that and she stays well away from it.  She will often see it drop money into the shared account from that account and thats  the "profit" from the betting side of things and I vary that on a monthly basis.

What she doesn't know is that this account is also linked to paypal as many bookies take paypal deposits.  I have another account that accepts paypal and have a number of "friends" i pay money to each month that send tips etc, one of these is my other account.  That sends the money into that card and is available right away. 

She's never checked up once or even enquired about the betting account as that handles itself in terms of income. 

Sounds like a lot of hard work, but as the betting side of things brings in a regular profit, She never see's money leaving the shared account and regulary sees payments being dropping into it instead.

[Bond]

My method in a cashless society and also prior to the pandemic is to have a bank account which the other half knows about, but its purely used for my betting activities when I need to deposit money from that account. I have a decent float on that and she stays well away from it.  She will often see it drop money into the shared account from that account and thats  the "profit" from the betting side of things and I vary that on a monthly basis.

What she doesn't know is that this account is also linked to paypal as many bookies take paypal deposits.  I have another account that accepts paypal and have a number of "friends" i pay money to each month that send tips etc, one of these is my other account.  That sends the money into that card and is available right away. 

She's never checked up once or even enquired about the betting account as that handles itself in terms of income. 

Sounds like a lot of hard work, but as the betting side of things brings in a regular profit, She never see's money leaving the shared account and regulary sees payments being dropping into it instead.

Thanks for these tips mate. But would I be correct in saying that this system only stacks up because your betting activities consistently return a profit?

And if you don't mind me asking another question, do you pay your escorts in cash or through PayPal?

[tp69]

This particular problem isn't an issue for me but I have a possible solution for some.

Start a small side business that requires it's own account. This could be as simple as driving for Uber, which would give you the double benefit of having an excuse to be out the house whenever you need to. It also means you have income unconnected to your main income that you control and pay from. It could be a market stall, or buy/sell, consultancy or service, whatever works and can generate extra cash.

[Macduff303]

I actually just had this very thought going through my mind - I've lifted cash for a booking and now it's been cancelled so I'm walking round with cash burning a hole in my pocket, not one for a panic booking so trying to figure out how to get it back into the bank

1st world problems eh

[Malvolio]

I actually just had this very thought going through my mind - I've lifted cash for a booking and now it's been cancelled so I'm walking round with cash burning a hole in my pocket, not one for a panic booking so trying to figure out how to get it back into the bank

1st world problems eh

Surely you just hang onto it until your next punt - assuming we're not talking thousands for a six hour MFFFFFFF.

[jonnw16]

I actually just had this very thought going through my mind - I've lifted cash for a booking and now it's been cancelled so I'm walking round with cash burning a hole in my pocket, not one for a panic booking so trying to figure out how to get it back into the bank

1st world problems eh

Go to a Post Office and you can pay it back into your bank account using your debit card.

[Marmalade]

Just give it to me to look after. If I lose your address I could make sure it is used for the purpose intended. 

[Will2k]

If you are paying by bank transfer, do you save the bank details? What do you use as a reference? I paid a deposit once and used the time and date for the reference

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[daviemac]

Any reason you didn't post this in the political thread.   

[puntingking]

Any reason you didn't post this in the political thread.   

I don't regard this as political.  More of a sociology. Or financial. It has a bigger society impact to be classified as political imo..

[daviemac]

It's a political decision as your title indicates, also 'the bank of England have asked government ministers to intervene'.

There's already a thread on punting in a cashless society.

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https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=307470.0  Last posted on Jan 15th 2022

[puntingking]

It's a political decision as your title indicates, also 'the bank of England have asked government ministers to intervene'.

There's already a thread on punting in a cashless society.

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https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=307470.0  Last posted on Jan 15th 2022

OK. Do you want to emerged it with the other cashless thread rather than the political thread if you don't mind? 

Otherwise I would have to keep going into my new replies and marking the political thread as read even though I won't be reading that thread that much.
Thanks.

[BrummieBoy]

I personally think there’s no escape from a future of digital PROGRAMMED money. Banks already know when, where and how we spend, we are already paid in digital money so they’ve been on it from the start.   
Puppet masters want more control and chances of them succeeding are the highest 

[puntingking]

I personally think there’s no escape from a future of digital PROGRAMMED money. Banks already know when, where and how we spend, we are already paid in digital money so they’ve been on it from the start.   
Puppet masters want more control and chances of them succeeding are the highest 

We can try to stop it or atleast try to slow it down by only using cash and shopping business who uses cash payments more than card payments. 

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