UKP on the front page of the Times

[Bogof60]

Yes I do think some scumbags are doing this.
Just gives a bad impression for the rest of us 

[Dave59]

Or maybe those that do are already members anyway

Yep already a Times subscriber. I made sure to write a comment on their website highlighting the contradictions in their article.

[maxxblue]

Yep already a Times subscriber. I made sure to write a comment on their website highlighting the contradictions in their article.

Hope you haven't just I.D.'d yourself 

[mcLovin]

The article is written as if UKP is some kind of new phenomenon, whereas prostitute review sites have been around as long as the Internet itself.

[vw]

The article is written as if UKP is some kind of new phenomenon, whereas prostitute review sites have been around as long as the Internet itself.

Why have you never reviewed then?   

[mike63]

Max blue-Times comments are added under a screen name.

[The Owl]

saturday june 16 2018
Prostitution ‘Tripadvisor’ site condemned
Gurpreet Narwan
June 16 2018, 12:01am, The Times


Mayfair’s Shepherd Market comes alive with a gaggle of colourful characters on long, hot summer evenings.

Over cocktails and charcuterie boards, revellers gossip and chatter in the square, many oblivious to the shabby door marked 50A, which remains perpetually ajar in the far corner.

For those who venture inside, a narrow set of stairs takes them to the “beautiful model” inside. On the top floor, overlooking grand stucco terraces and posh wine bars, she offers oral sex and more for £160 an hour.

“Walk-ups” are small flats dotted around London that are occupied by a single sex worker who is usually accompanied by a maid. The woman in this particular Mayfair walk-up has been inundated with “punters” since it was claimed that Sir Martin Sorrell, the former boss of the advertising firm WPP, visited the site allegedly using company expenses — a claim that he strenuously denies. She is about 5ft 6in, her hair falls to her shoulders and is wavy and golden-brown. She fits the description of Scarlett, a sex worker who has been discussed at length on a website called UKPunting.

Walk-up encounters are typically unpredictable and fleeting affairs but many “punters” visiting them are now doing their research by reading online reviews on a website dubbed the “Tripadvisor of prostitution”.

On UKPunting users comment about the appearance, performance and attitude of prostitutes in walk-ups and brothels across the country. The users say it helps them seek out value for money but for others it is a cesspit of misogyny and spiteful abuse.

“I don’t really want someone talking about my breasts online, what they look or feel like. I prefer not to go on it at all and like to think that the guys that I see wouldn’t leave comments on a website like that,” said the woman standing in the doorway. Unbeknown to her, the walk-up has been discussed at length on UKPunting. “I would compare her to Cherry in terms of looks, character and service. She’s quite pleasant to chat to. Recommended,” wrote one satisfied customer. Another wrote: “Once I was in I could see she was a lot shorter than I thought . . . not as fit . . . the angle I saw here from the stairs had been deceptive . . . she was kind of stumpy but not too bad . . . quite pretty in her own way and kind of shy and seemed like she would be submissive.”

The website was founded in 2010 by a seasoned user of prostitutes who goes by the name of Nik. He said that it was an alternative to the sites that were “funded by advertising from service providers, therefore they had, and still have, vested interests in portraying a favourable and often false image of the paid sex scene”.

In a similar fashion to restaurants and bed & breakfasts on Tripadvisor, women are ranked out of ten, users compare prices and throw around accusations sex workers are submitting fake reviews. Women have also reported being threatened with bad reviews if they do not have sex without charge.

On the site, Nik offers tips and advice to punters, ranging from “working girls do not look as good as their photographs, which often flatter them” to “girls who ask for the money and then assiduously count it before stashing it away are never as good as those who are more laid back about it”.

Sex workers described the website as “disgusting and horrible”. One escort based in London told The Times: “It is the most derogatory site I’ve ever known and it is seriously bad for women’s mental health. I’ve heard of sex workers being driven to suicide. I don’t go on it and it’s best to avoid it but I cannot believe it is allowed to exist.”

The English Collective of Prostitutes, which campaigns for the decriminalisation of sex work, said that some clients harassed and bullied sex workers on the site.

UKP has saved me a fortune on bad escorts. It's also meant my money's gone to escorts that deserve it for the job they do.

I reckon UKP has also helped bad escorts not suited to the job to make a faster exit before the job gets to them. It's not just about the money, fucking countless blokes you wouldn't want to normally takes a certain type of character to do it properly without causing long term harm. On the flip side of the coin UKP has probably helped by the better escorts to set themselves up for life, buying a house and giving them time to study for better paid jobs post sex working.

I'm not sure why escorts want to read these reviews or this forum. It rarely ends well for them unless they take the healthy approach to the job. Too often banned escorts seem to act like they've been criticised by people who mean something to them rather than by random blokes behind keyboards that they'll probably never meet. As for criticism about looks and bodies, if photoshop and good angles are used to hide flaws and imperfections then a decent reviewer will point them out. At worst the escort will avoid additional negative reviews, at best she'll get more positive reviews as clients attracted to or not bothered by her imperfections will book her. Always important to read the reviews, even if they're all positive.

I'd be very worried about people supporting the usual anti-UKP stuff if I was an escort. I reckon a lot of them have an abolitionist approach to sex work and would rather see former escorts living in squalid poverty or under a mountain of debt than having the ability to improve their lives if they're right for the job.

[Marmalade]

People have been banned from UKP for exchanging reviews for services. There’s also evidence of such offers on Saafe. UKP can’t control everything that’s written, any more than google can, but I think if Admin comes across a genuine psycho that is a danger to prossies they’d get promptly banned. UKP doesn’t tolerate actual abuse (threats, stalking, vendettas etc), whether of punters or prossies.

Although we’re clearly more aware of it, I think punters have been abused far more than prossies. People have been ‘outed’ by prossies, lost their job, their friends, their family. Crazy prostitutes have set up websites to harass and pillorise a specific punter in some cases, or stealing their online name (very common also on a number of forums and which seems to go uncriticised) to make what they hope are embarrassing horrible posts.

UKP reviews are like any other industry, especially one that is plagued by bad service and high prices. We praise value for money and complain when it’s the opposite. That’s nothing to do with whether you approve of prostitution or not. We assume (correctly) that most prossies have independently chosen such work (everyone here is strongly against trafficking and pimping, as anyone could see by reading the off topic), so potentially good and bad reviews are part and parcel of such choice. Don’t blame the customer for speaking out!

[Tricky Dickie]

Given the accusation reported in a recent article in The Times are any of the punters on here aware of any girls past or present who have self-harmed, had a breakdown or committed suicide because of a bad review (whether maliciously lodged or a factual accounting of events)?

Why bother wondering about it? “An unnamed source said she’d heard about...” That has as much weight as “a bloke down the pub said he’d heard...”

It’s just piss-poor journalism.

[manobo]

Kudos to Nik

[Marmalade]

Kudos to Nik

Yeah. The stories in his book alone demonstrate the need for UKP.

[mcLovin]

Why have you never reviewed then?   

Because I haven't punted for the last four years (not in the UK anyway). I keep looking but nothing has persuaded me to make a booking as yet.

[NIK]

How did they find your contact details, or were you contacted on here?

Twitter.

I don’t trust journalists.
People might remember the thread I think last year when some lying scumbag claimed she’d asked me why the need for UKP and we’d corresponded by email. We never did; she just quoted the relevant paragraph from my book. I can’t recall who she was, but it was some web based media rather than a ‘proper’ newspaper. It showed how blatantly they lie.

Before that I was also interviewed by a producer of that C4 programme from a few years ago. She was desperate for me to go on the programme. She bought me a coffee and gave me a load of old pony about how she felt I had something to say. I asked her what was in it for me. She said they couldn’t pay. I said at least mention my book then. She said she couldn’t guarantee that. I told her I’d said all I wanted to in the book and to go and buy that. 

Basically these media people aren’t usually even that interested in the topic they are reporting on or making a documentary about. It’s just a job for them to list on their cvs before moving on to the next project.
I am glad I allowed her to interview me though, because it gave me an insight into how they work.
And she was fit! 
Bottom line is though I’d trust journalists about as much as I’d trust prossies. 

[NIK]

saturday june 16 2018
Prostitution ‘Tripadvisor’ site condemned
Gurpreet Narwan
June 16 2018, 12:01am, The Times


Mayfair’s Shepherd Market comes alive with a gaggle of colourful characters on long, hot summer evenings.

Over cocktails and charcuterie boards, revellers gossip and chatter in the square, many oblivious to the shabby door marked 50A, which remains perpetually ajar in the far corner.

For those who venture inside, a narrow set of stairs takes them to the “beautiful model” inside. On the top floor, overlooking grand stucco terraces and posh wine bars, she offers oral sex and more for £160 an hour.

“Walk-ups” are small flats dotted around London that are occupied by a single sex worker who is usually accompanied by a maid. The woman in this particular Mayfair walk-up has been inundated with “punters” since it was claimed that Sir Martin Sorrell, the former boss of the advertising firm WPP, visited the site allegedly using company expenses — a claim that he strenuously denies. She is about 5ft 6in, her hair falls to her shoulders and is wavy and golden-brown. She fits the description of Scarlett, a sex worker who has been discussed at length on a website called UKPunting.

Walk-up encounters are typically unpredictable and fleeting affairs but many “punters” visiting them are now doing their research by reading online reviews on a website dubbed the “Tripadvisor of prostitution”.

On UKPunting users comment about the appearance, performance and attitude of prostitutes in walk-ups and brothels across the country. The users say it helps them seek out value for money but for others it is a cesspit of misogyny and spiteful abuse.

“I don’t really want someone talking about my breasts online, what they look or feel like. I prefer not to go on it at all and like to think that the guys that I see wouldn’t leave comments on a website like that,” said the woman standing in the doorway. Unbeknown to her, the walk-up has been discussed at length on UKPunting. “I would compare her to Cherry in terms of looks, character and service. She’s quite pleasant to chat to. Recommended,” wrote one satisfied customer. Another wrote: “Once I was in I could see she was a lot shorter than I thought . . . not as fit . . . the angle I saw here from the stairs had been deceptive . . . she was kind of stumpy but not too bad . . . quite pretty in her own way and kind of shy and seemed like she would be submissive.”

The website was founded in 2010 by a seasoned user of prostitutes who goes by the name of Nik. He said that it was an alternative to the sites that were “funded by advertising from service providers, therefore they had, and still have, vested interests in portraying a favourable and often false image of the paid sex scene”.

In a similar fashion to restaurants and bed & breakfasts on Tripadvisor, women are ranked out of ten, users compare prices and throw around accusations sex workers are submitting fake reviews. Women have also reported being threatened with bad reviews if they do not have sex without charge.

On the site, Nik offers tips and advice to punters, ranging from “working girls do not look as good as their photographs, which often flatter them” to “girls who ask for the money and then assiduously count it before stashing it away are never as good as those who are more laid back about it”.

Sex workers described the website as “disgusting and horrible”. One escort based in London told The Times: “It is the most derogatory site I’ve ever known and it is seriously bad for women’s mental health. I’ve heard of sex workers being driven to suicide. I don’t go on it and it’s best to avoid it but I cannot believe it is allowed to exist.”

The English Collective of Prostitutes, which campaigns for the decriminalisation of sex work, said that some clients harassed and bullied sex workers on the site.

Just seen that I have been mentioned here. The quotes they attribute to me again are taken from the book and my 21 Rules of Punting which I put on here from the book. The way it's worded suggests they have spoken to me.
If anyone sees anything I have supposed to have said to journalists it will either be lifted from something I have already written, or they will have simply made it up, as I would not speak to a journalist.

It's nice to be called 'a seasoned user of prostitutes' though. Something that no longer applies.   

They also do Admin a great disservice, because even from the start UKP was as much his baby as mine and within a few months more his, and within a couple of years completely his.
Mind you, I expect he's glad they don't mention him!   

[NIK]

The article is written as if UKP is some kind of new phenomenon, whereas prostitute review sites have been around as long as the Internet itself.

Absolutely true. 

UKP was the first to favour the punter though.

[Gordon Bennett]

Load of shit - tomorrow's fish and chips paper.

[Marmalade]

Load of shit - tomorrow's fish and chips paper.

You’re giving away what tv soaps you watch.  never mind ... I won’t tell. 

[Hitty]

Another Indian young reporter working for the newspaper and she wants the limelight for the lie story or she is upset she cannot make it in the hour what we pay

[maxxblue]

Twitter.

I don’t trust journalists.
People might remember the thread I think last year when some lying scumbag claimed she’d asked me why the need for UKP and we’d corresponded by email. We never did; she just quoted the relevant paragraph from my book. I can’t recall who she was, but it was some web based media rather than a ‘proper’ newspaper. It showed how blatantly they lie.

Before that I was also interviewed by a producer of that C4 programme from a few years ago. She was desperate for me to go on the programme. She bought me a coffee and gave me a load of old pony about how she felt I had something to say. I asked her what was in it for me. She said they couldn’t pay. I said at least mention my book then. She said she couldn’t guarantee that. I told her I’d said all I wanted to in the book and to go and buy that. 

Basically these media people aren’t usually even that interested in the topic they are reporting on or making a documentary about. It’s just a job for them to list on their cvs before moving on to the next project.
I am glad I allowed her to interview me though, because it gave me an insight into how they work.
And she was fit! 
Bottom line is though I’d trust journalists about as much as I’d trust prossies. 

Cheers Nik 

[LLPunting]

Because I haven't punted for the last four years (not in the UK anyway). I keep looking but nothing has persuaded me to make a booking as yet.

There are international forums you could contribute to... 

[LLPunting]

Twitter.

I don’t trust journalists.
People might remember the thread I think last year when some lying scumbag claimed she’d asked me why the need for UKP and we’d corresponded by email. We never did; she just quoted the relevant paragraph from my book. I can’t recall who she was, but it was some web based media rather than a ‘proper’ newspaper. It showed how blatantly they lie.

Before that I was also interviewed by a producer of that C4 programme from a few years ago. She was desperate for me to go on the programme. She bought me a coffee and gave me a load of old pony about how she felt I had something to say. I asked her what was in it for me. She said they couldn’t pay. I said at least mention my book then. She said she couldn’t guarantee that. I told her I’d said all I wanted to in the book and to go and buy that. 

Basically these media people aren’t usually even that interested in the topic they are reporting on or making a documentary about. It’s just a job for them to list on their cvs before moving on to the next project.
I am glad I allowed her to interview me though, because it gave me an insight into how they work.
And she was fit! 
Bottom line is though I’d trust journalists about as much as I’d trust prossies. 

Trust Journos less, they want to fuck you over for their own glory, advancement and profit.
Prossies at least fuck with you just for their own profit.

[Marmalade]

There are international forums you could contribute to... 

Cunts are Contributors??

[OldAdmin]

Good news is more publicity might be coming up as I notice a number of new journalists signing up to UKP. Can tell from their email addresses which newspapers they work for.

Other sites are not looking for attention from mainstream media, I feel different for UKP, it helps the site. And regardless of wanting or not, it's going to happen anyway given's UKP's size and popularity. They are also not going to say anything positive about an adult site are they.

[bhudda]

Good news is more publicity might be coming up as I notice a number of new journalists signing up to UKP. Can tell from their email addresses which newspapers they work for.

Other sites are not looking for attention from mainstream media, I feel different for UKP, it helps the site. And regardless of wanting or not, it's going to happen anyway given's UKP's size and popularity. They are also not going to say anything positive about an adult site are they.

Their expenses claims will be interesting whike theyre doing their research. Assuming their research goes beyond reading nicks book.

[LLPunting]

Good news is more publicity might be coming up as I notice a number of new journalists signing up to UKP. Can tell from their email addresses which newspapers they work for.

Other sites are not looking for attention from mainstream media, I feel different for UKP, it helps the site. And regardless of wanting or not, it's going to happen anyway given's UKP's size and popularity. They are also not going to say anything positive about an adult site are they.

"journos" from obvious known domains signing up?
They're plainly not investigative journos then looking for the inside story 
You don't think... <looks around sheepishly> ...they're a bit ethical and transparently engaging with us?   

Maybe some pranksters are setting up their mates for some scandal?  Or they're researching venues for the next office party?

If they are journos are we entitled to know their identities so we can be wary of underhand "fact" gathering?  Perhaps you can given them a unique status?
Will they'll be subject to some strict criteria to restrict access to certain threads and never have PM access?  (Assuming they ethically use these "official" id's for all their interaction with the site.)

[Hitty]

More kids have signed up from different newspapers, kids are used to copy and paste the story and they only get paid for travel and lunch money, I know my kid is trying to get a job with this traffickers type, this snowflakes will only make UKP and admin bigger

[Cunning Punt]

I am glad I allowed her to interview me though, because it gave me an insight into how they work.
And she was fit! 

You should have invited her to do a bit of "investigative journalism" and go "undercover" to find out more about her subject so she actually knew what she was talking aobut.

ie offer her £100 and the first proper fuck of her life.

[Marmalade]

Hitty: you don’t appear to have passed your basic level English. Aren’t there some Hindi boards where you can go and annoy people??

[Diehard]

This explains why I have been contacted by a journalist. She hasn't said what it's about.
I ought to have known.   

Ask her to email a face pic, if she is good looking offer her 50quid for 30 min meet..

[Diehard]

Just seen that I have been mentioned here. The quotes they attribute to me again are taken from the book and my 21 Rules of Punting which I put on here from the book. The way it's worded suggests they have spoken to me.
If anyone sees anything I have supposed to have said to journalists it will either be lifted from something I have already written, or they will have simply made it up, as I would not speak to a journalist.

It's nice to be called 'a seasoned user of prostitutes' though. Something that no longer applies.   

They also do Admin a great disservice, because even from the start UKP was as much his baby as mine and within a few months more his, and within a couple of years completely his.
Mind you, I expect he's glad they don't mention him!   

My view on female journalists is they are essentially wannabe hookers. As we have heard from many celebrities over the pond after that scandal involving the film producer female journalists fuck for a story. Been happening since the dawn of time. They know what they are getting into when they become journalists and are happy to have sex to get the big story. That then gets them up the career ladder an better pay so in my view they are essentially the same as hookers.

As you correctly say journalists are untrustworthy. To be blunt they are blatant liars as we have seen by much of the nonsense spoken about this brilliant site.

However the more publicity this site gets the better as the more punters who join means more money saved on seeing shit hookers.

[Dicky]

What I am curious about is which walk-up takes credit cards??? And which one of you is Martin Sorrell?  HOrizontal Pleasures....is that you??

[Horizontal pleasures]

What I am curious about is which walk-up takes credit cards??? And which one of you is Martin Sorrell?  Horizontal Pleasures....is that you??

WTF?
I have not been on a walk up excursion for many years.