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Online WelshClipper

Well I decided to ask a question very important to me. I have been punting for 8 years, when I started, I booked anyone with a half decent profile but nowadays I am a lot more careful. This is partly because of reading ukp threads, partly watching the news about trafficking and partly because my knowledge improves the longer I punt.

But do we ever really know? At one end of the spectrum we have Mr Lee. At the other end we have girls like Ana Paula.

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So when you arrange a punt with the likes Ana, what gives you the confidence that there is no Mr Lee in the background.

These days I am reluctant to book anyone who isnt British working out of a cottage in the country (I exagerate. I am not paranoid, I recently booked Mya Collucci.)

I would like to book more foreign girls but when I read Lisa Polish was working out of a Kent brothel that was busted, I do begin to wonder.

Hope this all makes sense.  :hi:
« Last Edit: February 12, 2022, 08:36:27 pm by WelshClipper »

Online WelshClipper

Oh just to clarify.

Mr Lee is the guy recently convicted of trafficking chinese girls in Brum.

I chose Ana Paula at random who seems to be independent but who knows.

I chose Lisa Polish cos she was in my hotlist for ages, very popular as a good punt and once I almost arranged a booking in Oxford but she was fully booked that day.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2022, 09:00:00 pm by WelshClipper »

Offline lillythesavage

You can only do your best to pick those who are happy to do it, if you have had a good time and there were no obvious concerns and you can feel good about the transaction as you leave, nothing more you can do.

Some work at brothels through choice, it is just easier for them, similar to agencies, pimps are behind it, but they are not trafficked or coerced.

The Mr Lee, or sergei is something else, you cannot be sure about anything, more so if pics are fake and they get moved around, I would not be happy handing money to a guy to fuck a woman, some see it differently.

One of the reasons I prefer other ways, rather than Aw etc, though I do look for the odd gem, if they are coming to me on the tube and train, or by Uber etc, and not in Sergies Audi/BMW/Mercedes, or Mr Lees Toyota, then I feel much more relaxed about the situation.

Online WelshClipper

Yes I guess the best thing as often said on here is do your homework. Polish Lisa was a bit of a shock I admit.

Any mention of brothel on here puts a red flag up even if the review is positive.

I remember my very first punt in 2013. My one and only outcall to a hotel. Girl came to my room with a bald guy in a suit who said he had just come to make sure I was an okay client and that the girl would be safe.

A couple in my early days, I have suspected a man was in another room but nothing recent and hopefully innocent enough. But these days I often take the easier route and stick with a Brit.

One girl was a nice surprise. Gabriella in Reading, polish but she really does live in a country cottage and has lived here for years. So she almost doesnt count.  :D
« Last Edit: February 12, 2022, 10:17:43 pm by WelshClipper »

Offline Thecunninglinguist

It's up to you to make your mind up with available information and your own senses. The girl from AW is also on Kommons, along with about 20 others from Brazil in Manchester of a similar age. She also has a profile on Secrethostess. All found from her phone number. All these ads are in good clear English. You have to decide if a 25 year old girl has independently travelled from Brazil? Set up these profiles using the correct language and is working completely independently. I suppose the trick is to spot those here willingly, with a little help with logistics etc. to make some money and then return home having set themselves up for life and those here not quite so willingly, or outright trafficked with some seriously nasty people coercing her into staying and working. A conundrum for the big brain rather than the small one?

Offline PepeMAGA

Can avoid the obvious signs, but you never know what is going on behind the scenes unless you become close with them I guess.

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It's up to you to make your mind up with available information and your own senses. The girl from AW is also on Kommons, along with about 20 others from Brazil in Manchester of a similar age. She also has a profile on Secrethostess. All found from her phone number. All these ads are in good clear English. You have to decide if a 25 year old girl has independently travelled from Brazil? Set up these profiles using the correct language and is working completely independently. I suppose the trick is to spot those here willingly, with a little help with logistics etc. to make some money and then return home having set themselves up for life and those here not quite so willingly, or outright trafficked with some seriously nasty people coercing her into staying and working. A conundrum for the big brain rather than the small one?
I always prefer a well written profile, certainly with a British girl it is a positive thing. With a 25 yo Brazilian there is the possibility that someone wrote it for her, including the other profiles on Kommons etc.

At the opposite end, a Romanian profile full of grammatical and spelling errors might suggest the girl wrote it herself. But maybe her Sergei has bad English as well, so it could also have been written for her.

Hmmmmm......

i suppose the only answer is that there is no magic bullet but research and go with your gut instincts. A conundrum for big brain indeed

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Can avoid the obvious signs, but you never know what is going on behind the scenes unless you become close with them I guess.

Agreed. I used to think if a profile has been around for a long time, that the girl is probably genuine. That is until I read on here that a lot of profiles are ‘sold on’ to the next girl. Probably created by Manuel in 2018 and just used over and over 

So that blew that theory......  :(

Offline BarneyBubbles

I dont think we can ever know and thats a tricky moral decision we have to make.  And of course it isn't just overseas girls... there will be some girls coerced into working by boyfriends/partners/pimps who are British but are still being exploited.
I don't have an easy answer I'm afraid

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I dont think we can ever know and thats a tricky moral decision we have to make.  And of course it isn't just overseas girls... there will be some girls coerced into working by boyfriends/partners/pimps who are British but are still being exploited.
I don't have an easy answer I'm afraid

Yes I was wary of giving the impression that all British girls are okay. I know that there are issues here as well. All I can say is Ukp is pretty dependable for finding independent british girls, less so for foreign because you just never know. However, in any nationality, TOFTT is always going to be perilous  :scare:

Offline lillythesavage

Yes I was wary of giving the impression that all British girls are okay. I know that there are issues here as well. All I can say is Ukp is pretty dependable for finding independent british girls, less so for foreign because you just never know. However, in any nationality, TOFTT is always going to be perilous  :scare:


My last Tofft was not perilous at all, far from it, and it was EE too, that is not to say it could have one tits up, but the AW feedback looked genuine, as did the pics, and after a few messages I felt very at one with the situation, she has had several positive reviews since and her AW score jumped up.

A well written profile helps, look for signs of third party reference slip ups, and selfie pics that look like they were taken in the UK. Sunny beach pics are unlikely to be recent, and look for plug sockets and switches.

You can never be totally sure of anything, but, like I said, if you did the right things in the first place and come away with no concerns and a smile, you cannot expect anymore unless, as you say, you get involved in personals.

Lisa Polish may have been happy using the pimps, again we will never know, may have just got caught up in the case, certainly does not seem to be coerced, but as I know from experience, fear can make appearances very deceptive.

Offline Lewwy

It's up to you to make your mind up with available information and your own senses. The girl from AW is also on Kommons, along with about 20 others from Brazil in Manchester of a similar age. She also has a profile on Secrethostess. All found from her phone number. All these ads are in good clear English. You have to decide if a 25 year old girl has independently travelled from Brazil? Set up these profiles using the correct language and is working completely independently. I suppose the trick is to spot those here willingly, with a little help with logistics etc. to make some money and then return home having set themselves up for life and those here not quite so willingly, or outright trafficked with some seriously nasty people coercing her into staying and working. A conundrum for the big brain rather than the small one?

Are these girls really from Brazil? Until quite recently I'd never noticed Brazil as being a common nationality but now they seem to be everywhere! Girls from Brazil seem now to have replaced the Romanians. This just raises massive red flags with me. Are they really from Brazil or is just the case that Brazil is currently the place which will sell you a passport in any name you want for a couple of hundred quid?

I do not believe that there are dozens, potentially hundreds, of Brazilian girls suddenly working as escorts in the UK. Something's most certainly up here.   
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Offline lillythesavage

Are these girls really from Brazil? Until quite recently I'd never noticed Brazil as being a common nationality but now they seem to be everywhere! Girls from Brazil seem now to have replaced the Romanians. This just raises massive red flags with me. Are they really from Brazil or is just the case that Brazil is currently the place which will sell you a passport in any name you want for a couple of hundred quid?

I do not believe that there are dozens, potentially hundreds, of Brazilian girls suddenly working as escorts in the UK. Something's most certainly up here.

And the big B bashers say the EE,s cannot get in  :wacko:

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My last Tofft was not perilous at all, far from it, and it was EE too, that is not to say it could have one tits up, but the AW feedback looked genuine, as did the pics, and after a few messages I felt very at one with the situation, she has had several positive reviews since and her AW score jumped up.

A well written profile helps, look for signs of third party reference slip ups, and selfie pics that look like they were taken in the UK. Sunny beach pics are unlikely to be recent, and look for plug sockets and switches.

You can never be totally sure of anything, but, like I said, if you did the right things in the first place and come away with no concerns and a smile, you cannot expect anymore unless, as you say, you get involved in personals.

Lisa Polish may have been happy using the pimps, again we will never know, may have just got caught up in the case, certainly does not seem to be coerced, but as I know from experience, fear can make appearances very deceptive.

I think this is good advice. I have to build up a mental picture of the wg that I am considering and not rely on one thing. I am not averse to risk, punting by its very nature is risky, but this can be mitigated.

Also just for the record, I did not want to imply Lisa was involved in trafficking, I suspect she was surprised as any to find the brothel in trouble. I think she is wise to at least park her profile in Jersey until the dust settles.

Online WelshClipper

I do find it fascinating that the flow of EE and Brazilian girls continues into Brexit Britain. I don’t know the reason but the punting landscape would be lessened without them.

Offline lillythesavage

I do find it fascinating that the flow of EE and Brazilian girls continues into Brexit Britain. I don’t know the reason but the punting landscape would be lessened without them.

It sure would, but the big B is not behind a fall in numbers, they can still come, the pandemic sent a lot home and they found out it is not so bad, so in no rush to return.

Have you noticed how few are posting on the thread, it is not a subject many like to think about, ignorance is bliss in some minds maybe.

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Have you noticed how few are posting on the thread, it is not a subject many like to think about, ignorance is bliss in some minds maybe.

Yes I have. My main concern was that the thread would be seen as a little naive. Not the first time I admit. But your suggestion seems equally if not more likely.

I still have to decide if I have the courage to go for Anna or Laura.  :unknown:

Either way, I have benefitted from your responses so thank you  :hi:

Offline Bigwilts

I do find it fascinating that the flow of EE and Brazilian girls continues into Brexit Britain. I don’t know the reason but the punting landscape would be lessened without them.
Brazil isn’t part of Europe, so wouldn’t be affected by Brexit

Eastern Europeans have lost freedom of movement, which means they either remained here or have travelled under international arrangements

Online WelshClipper

Brazil isn’t part of Europe, so wouldn’t be affected by Brexit

In the past I would agree with you, however on another thread I was told many brazilians hold portuguese passports and were able to stay here based on their ‘european passport’ status.

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Offline lillythesavage

Brazil isn’t part of Europe, so wouldn’t be affected by Brexit

Eastern Europeans have lost freedom of movement, which means they either remained here or have travelled under international arrangements

Pointless statement, if Brazilians can find a way in, then EU people can too, they are both now supposedly in the same position.

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Have you noticed how few are posting on the thread, it is not a subject many like to think about, ignorance is bliss in some minds maybe.

Yes, maybe so, but paying for sex with someone subjected to force (and that has a fairly wide definition in the legislation), is a strict liability offence, so if you are the wrong side of the law, ignorance certainly won't be bliss.

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Yes, maybe so, but paying for sex with someone subjected to force (and that has a fairly wide definition in the legislation), is a strict liability offence, so if you are the wrong side of the law, ignorance certainly won't be bliss.
I'm not so sure about that, it seems fairly straight forward to me, they either choose to do it of their own free will or they don't.  :unknown:

Offline Clarence Boddicker

I take the independence a WG very, very seriously.  Hardly ever book girl without spending a fair while checking out their profiles and look for some very specific characteristics that let me know they're not being coerced. I do appreciate my personal situation allows me certain privileges, but some positive characteristic I look for include

No published AW phone nos
Outcalls only
Notifications of holidays and Profiles accessed from the countries
Girls being based in long term locations, not moving round the country
Non face pics
Not being 'Available Today' 24/7 is a big one
Absolutely no discrimination when it comes to likes

There's more, but I can't recall them all right now, I do believe the overall look of a profile can tell you a great deal, for example somebody who's quite open and relaxed in their interview is a big plus for me, as is somebody who can be bothered to even start a blog. I personally hate it when you get too many emojis or somebody writing something such as massive 'SEXY' using hundreds of individual keyboard characters. Lastly this might be a controversial thing to say but, ultimately we can all help create a safer environment, by not allowing ourselves to be willfully ignorant and also not being price obsessed.




 
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Offline lillythesavage

I take the independence a WG very, very seriously.  Hardly ever book girl without spending a fair while checking out their profiles and look for some very specific characteristics that let me know they're not being coerced. I do appreciate my personal situation allows me certain privileges, but some positive characteristic I look for include

No published AW phone nos
Outcalls only
Notifications of holidays and Profiles accessed from the countries
Girls being based in long term locations, not moving round the country
Non face pics
Not being 'Available Today' 24/7 is a big one
Absolutely no discrimination when it comes to likes

There's more, but I can't recall them all right now, I do believe the overall look of a profile can tell you a great deal, for example somebody who's quite open and relaxed in their interview is a big plus for me, as is somebody who can be bothered to even start a blog. I personally hate it when you get too many emojis or somebody writing something such as massive 'SEXY' using hundreds of individual keyboard characters. Lastly this might be a controversial thing to say but, ultimately we can all help create a safer environment, by not allowing ourselves to be willfully ignorant and also not being price obsessed.


I agree with you on a lot of this, part time out call women, with no published number have been getting some very good reviews lately. Another thing is those that are not available green all the time, but do put a phone number, they are usually well reviewed and do not need to pay AW for the green light.


Money is very dependent on the spare income of the punter though, or the amount they are prepared to pay, so no price obsession is not always possible.

Face pics are completely up to the women and her need for privacy, I would not judge a profile on that basis.

Profiles accessed from abroad is often them using a VPN, so not always a clue, but is something to take into consideration.

Seeing notifications of holidays I would avoid, stinks of trying to cash in with the mind elsewhere, or just a con before moving elsewhere.

Long term locations tells you very little really, pimps can keep them in one place and independents do move around. Though obvious rotation places do not appeal at all.

Likes list really depends on the punters needs and kinks, so each will judge differently.

Offline bops909

Oh just to clarify.

Mr Lee is the guy recently convicted of trafficking chinese girls in Brum.

I chose Ana Paula at random who seems to be independent but who knows.

I chose Lisa Polish cos she was in my hotlist for ages, very popular as a good punt and once I almost arranged a booking in Oxford but she was fully booked that day.

This Mr Lee ? aka Deli Sun ? Operated a brothel on Berkley St ?

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Offline bops909

Are these girls really from Brazil? Until quite recently I'd never noticed Brazil as being a common nationality but now they seem to be everywhere! Girls from Brazil seem now to have replaced the Romanians. This just raises massive red flags with me. Are they really from Brazil or is just the case that Brazil is currently the place which will sell you a passport in any name you want for a couple of hundred quid?

I do not believe that there are dozens, potentially hundreds, of Brazilian girls suddenly working as escorts in the UK. Something's most certainly up here.

Well, I've not met all the Brazilians girls, but all the Brazilians I've met have  recognized my attempts to speak to them in something other than English as being in Portuguese, They have all spoken Portuguese themselves if only sometimes to their phones for the purposes of Google Translate.

Offline bops909

It's up to you to make your mind up with available information and your own senses.

  I suppose the trick is to spot those here willingly, with a little help with logistics etc. to make some money and then return home having set themselves up for life and those here not quite so willingly, or outright trafficked with some seriously nasty people coercing her into staying and working.

For me, this sums it up very well.

Offline snaitram99

This Mr Lee ? aka Deli Sun ? Operated a brothel on Berkley St ?

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Both sentences were under a year and his was shorter than hers. Also despite mention of trafficking there seemed to be no charges relating to that, only managing a brothel, which is of course illegal even if all the sex workers are willing participants.

I wonder what the full story is? Did the police settle for a guilty plea to managing so that they could claim a success? :unknown:

Offline scutty brown

Both sentences were under a year and his was shorter than hers. Also despite mention of trafficking there seemed to be no charges relating to that, only managing a brothel, which is of course illegal even if all the sex workers are willing participants.

I wonder what the full story is? Did the police settle for a guilty plea to managing so that they could claim a success? :unknown:

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she managed the place and was working there to pay off her husbands gambling debts

Online estats

I'm not so sure about that, it seems fairly straight forward to me, they either choose to do it of their own free will or they don't.  :unknown:

not really.

(b)a third person (C) has engaged in exploitative conduct of a kind likely to induce or encourage B to provide the sexual services for which A has made or promised payment, and

C engages in exploitative conduct if—

(a)C uses force, threats (whether or not relating to violence) or any other form of coercion, or

(b)C practises any form of deception.

So the legislative platform is fairly wide. A third person only has to be seen to be likely to induce, encourage through any form of coercion or deception.

So a failure to disclose, abuse of position are grounds for deception. There are wide legal definitions.

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not really.

(b)a third person (C) has engaged in exploitative conduct of a kind likely to induce or encourage B to provide the sexual services for which A has made or promised payment, and

C engages in exploitative conduct if—

(a)C uses force, threats (whether or not relating to violence) or any other form of coercion, or

(b)C practises any form of deception.

So the legislative platform is fairly wide. A third person only has to be seen to be likely to induce, encourage through any form of coercion or deception.

So a failure to disclose, abuse of position are grounds for deception. There are wide legal definitions.
I know exactly what the law says, read the CPS website and refer to charging practices and public interest considerations.  They do give the impression that common sense plays a large part.

Also the CPS Modern Slavery, Human Trafficking and Smuggling web pages give a good insight into it. Whether or not a person agrees to come to this country from another is irrelevant if the person facilitating travel intends to exploit them though exploitation is sometimes very difficult to prove.

If you are only trying to say what is illegal by the strict letter of the law then you are correct with all the if's but's and maybe's, but when you consider who they would actually prosecute and why, it boils down to they either do it of their own free will or they don't.


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I know exactly what the law says, read the CPS website and refer to charging practices and public interest considerations.  They do give the impression that common sense plays a large part.

Also the CPS Modern Slavery, Human Trafficking and Smuggling web pages give a good insight into it. Whether or not a person agrees to come to this country from another is irrelevant if the person facilitating travel intends to exploit them though exploitation is sometimes very difficult to prove.

If you are only trying to say what is illegal by the strict letter of the law then you are correct with all the if's but's and maybe's, but when you consider who they would actually prosecute and why, it boils down to they either do it of their own free will or they don't.

Yes I was referring to the law. Public interest and charging practices are far too abstract and malleable with political mood over time.

The point I'm making is a person facilitating travel faces a very low threshold for exploitative conduct under the law. So in terms of deception, a withholding of a passport, a promise of another job, an abuse of power, a failure to disclose.

I'm simply pointing out I get the impression many believe there is a high bar to prove exploitation, many may believe it to be the use of violence or threats. That is simply not the case.

But I wholly agree the public interest, qualifying nature of the level of the offence, available resources, etc are all a check on the CPS's actions.

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Yes I was referring to the law. Public interest and charging practices are far too abstract and malleable with political mood over time.

The point I'm making is a person facilitating travel faces a very low threshold for exploitative conduct under the law. So in terms of deception, a withholding of a passport, a promise of another job, an abuse of power, a failure to disclose.

I'm simply pointing out I get the impression many believe there is a high bar to prove exploitation, many may believe it to be the use of violence or threats. That is simply not the case.

But I wholly agree the public interest, qualifying nature of the level of the offence, available resources, etc are all a check on the CPS's actions.
I'm not going to argue with you but from what I've seen it takes an awful lot to prove exploitation. A case of child sexual exploitation in the NE took 4 years to gather enough evidence for a conviction, even then they had to employ a convicted sex offender to infiltrate the gang.

There was a case reported on here recently where a pair were jailed for running a brothel, even though they trafficked the girls that couldn't be proved.

Offline pantywetter

I have been punting for 20 years, hundreds of times

Obviously you can never tell, but hands on heart I don’t think anyone has ever been coerced.

I have never experienced a single hint of it and would of course walk if this was the case.

Offline Slow grinder

I have been punting for 20 years, hundreds of times

Obviously you can never tell, but hands on heart I don’t think anyone has ever been coerced.

I have never experienced a single hint of it and would of course walk if this was the case.

I've been punting for over 40 yrs PW and have the same impression as yourself.... I've Punted nearly ALL nationalities, in many many different types of 'set up's' and in many countries, and as such one tends to have an 'inner ear', a sixth sense, that usually can 'spot' if something is amiss... and never have I, and like yourself I would walk!

Online WelshClipper

I have been punting for 20 years, hundreds of times

Obviously you can never tell, but hands on heart I don’t think anyone has ever been coerced.

I have never experienced a single hint of it and would of course walk if this was the case.

In my recent years of punting I am pretty sure that all of my punts have been totally independent. My reasoning is that I do my full research and double check everything with UKP. This makes TOFTT very difficult but its kept me safe.

My earlier career, I was more cavalier. Never even imagined the wg may be acting unwillingly. Probably a lot more naive than now. As others have said I had no cause to suspect anything was up except one lady who seemed to spend an awful lot of time going ‘into the other room’  :unknown:

I dont know the finer intricacies of the law and tend to stick to the maxim, either she is independent or she is not.

I fervently hope that I have never seen a coerced wg, I am delighted when the bastards who do this stuff get caught. To stay safe it is a matter of research, research, research.

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Offline 1599337

For obvious reasons I always try to avoid seeing any girls who might be being coerced or forced into their work, or who might be part of a trafficking operation. The trouble is of course whoever is in charge obviously has an interest in making it look like the girls are fully independent.

So related to that, what obvious warning signs do you see on a girls profile or communication?

The only thing that would ever tip me off would be seeing sergei at the location, but I'm sure there must be other signs you can look out for.

Offline Mrcambridge69

By no means perfect but I like to speak to the SP on the phone when making my booking, if they aren’t willing to talk to discuss specifics that’s a flag for me and makes me think there’s a pimp controlling the phone. Also when looking over profiles in my area of Cambridge it’s not uncommon to see SP with profiles that are identical in the descriptions, about me, etc and the only difference is the pictures. That’s another red flag to me as it would appear there is someone centrally controlling these multiple profiles.

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this is a repost from an earlier thread but is worth repeating if it helps peoples thinking

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Significant Signs
There are a number of signs that are common across all types of exploitation.
Including, if a person:
*acts as if instructed by another, as though they are forced or coerced to carry out specific activities
*demonstrates signs of physical or psychological abuse, such as lacking self esteem, seeming anxious, bruising or untreated medical conditions
*seems to be bonded by debt or has money deducted from their salary
*has little or no contact with family or loved ones
*is distrustful of authorities
*has threats made against themselves or family members
*is not in possession of their own legal documents

Significant signs for individuals potentially selling sex:
*Is the person closely guarded?
*Does the person have any signs of physical abuse, such as cigarette burns or tattoos indicating ownership?
*Is the person allowed to keep the money they make? A trafficked sex worker will have restricted or no access to earnings
*Is there any evidence that the person has been forced, intimidated or coerced into providing sexual services?
*Does the person have an English vocabulary of only sexualised words?
*Are there any signs the person is experiencing emotional trauma as a result of the work they are doing?

Some of the above may be unclear on contradictory, below are explanatory notes I wrote in 2019

Travel
With EE girls what you are looking for are girls with no obvious means of transport, who are moving location frequently. Usually a courier comes to pick them up with no prior notice and takes them to the next location. The girls usually won't know where they've been or when or where they're going. "Frequently" can mean anything between a couple of days to a couple of weeks. But don't assume static girls are OK, some teams will stay until the utility bills arrive and then jump ship every three or four months.
Chinese girls are less obvious, they're often sent out  by train from London on 1-2 week shifts, sometimes unsupervised during the journey. They're held in check by the lack of language, threats to themselves and family, and debt bondage. And often they don't realise they're being exploited. Age comes into it as well -the ones at risk are mainly in the 18-28 age range.

Sleeping
This ones hard to pick up on.............sometimes there is a separate house acting as the pimps residence which the girls use for sleeping, sometimes complete with a training / breaking in room where the girls are raped and indoctrinated into the trade. You're most likely to find this where EE girls work from long-established houses, where the house remains in use but the girls change. Also where EE girls are hired out to parlours for the day: they get dropped off in the morning, collected next morning and the pimp pockets the price for renting her out.
However a lot of EE girls are handled differently: those in short-term lets or in hotels or serviced apartments will eat sleep and fuck in the same room.

Limited clothing
Most obvious in hotels or short term lets where the girl is living from a suitcase and may well have only the knickers she greets you in..........often what little clothing she has is totally impractical and is often thin £2 leggings and such like from the market. You can see what's strewn on the floor or in open suitcases
Sometimes clothes are removed from a girls reach to prevent her escaping.......I've seen this with chinese girls where the only clothes in the flat were lace bodysuits

Money collection
Sometimes there's a second person who grabs the money off you before the working girl has a chance to touch it.......indicates she's not trusted.

There are other signs as well
does the girl look healthy, well fed?
what's the decor of the building? Is it a shithole, does the bath and toilet work?
is there any furniture in the house?
how clean is the bedding?
are there any toiletries in the bathroom? how many razors? how many men's razors?
what's the state of the kitchen, is there any food in the house or is she living on pot noodles or beans supplied by the pimp?
does she know what town she's in, or what the last town was, or the next one?
what's  her hygiene like?
how does she appear mentally? depressed? sad? brainwashed?
does she seem scared?

none of these things on their own can conclusively prove anything, but as a mental checklist they help to give a feeling as to whether a girl is at risk.
But remember - if you have the slightest suspicion, make the call

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