Phoenix Party

[Mcping]

A review / summary / thoughts of many parties over the years. I hope the below is helpful.

I've been to Phoenix many times over the years from when it was LMP in Lancaster Gate.
Unfortunately I firmly believe the Lancaster Gate days were the best and I genuinely fear Phoenix days maybe numbered unless Em ups her game again.

In the good old days EM really made the party atmosphere buzz with her encouragement keeping the party going.
My last few times at Phoenix have been rather disappointing with the girls seemingly more into talking and gentle massage than full on fucking and ganbanging.

I do still visit Phoenix very occasionally as I don't know many places where I can fuck as much as I can in 2hrs but it's just not the same.

Before, it was guaranteed to be good but now it depends a lot on the line up.
In the past Em was much like a personal trainer or drill sergeant barking orders keeping the pace of the party moving but without her there I find many of the girls less enthusiastic to say the least.

I will absolutely go again, hopefully this week if the line up looks good on a convenient day.

Em, if you're listening please step back in and return Phoenix to the good old days of LMP

[smiths]

A review / summary / thoughts of many parties over the years. I hope the below is helpful.

I've been to Phoenix many times over the years from when it was LMP in Lancaster Gate.
Unfortunately I firmly believe the Lancaster Gate days were the best and I genuinely fear Phoenix days maybe numbered unless Em ups her game again.

In the good old days EM really made the party atmosphere buzz with her encouragement keeping the party going.
My last few times at Phoenix have been rather disappointing with the girls seemingly more into talking and gentle massage than full on fucking and ganbanging.

I do still visit Phoenix very occasionally as I don't know many places where I can fuck as much as I can in 2hrs but it's just not the same.

Before, it was guaranteed to be good but now it depends a lot on the line up.
In the past Em was much like a personal trainer or drill sergeant barking orders keeping the pace of the party moving but without her there I find many of the girls less enthusiastic to say the least.

I will absolutely go again, hopefully this week if the line up looks good on a convenient day.

Em, if you're listening please step back in and return Phoenix to the good old days of LMP

Great description of Em from my own LMP Lancaster Gate days, it really was party central and among the best fun I have ever had in punting in over 30 years. She added so much to the experience in my opinion simply by being their and supervising and encouraging. I also add Moss who I liked having a chat to and especially before he got ill when he was usually sitting upstairs in the chair near the window. For me Phoenix is a backwards step as it has less WGs per party but the cost is the same as LMP at his end. And when I first partied at LMP it was actually £120 per party, £200 for 2 parties and £300 for 3 parties in a day, and with 7 or sometimes 8 WGs per party, more often 7, great VFM to me.

Though I didn't fancy all the WGs at LMP virtually all were seemingly enthusiastic, those that weren't didn't last long in my observations, WGs like Jewels, Antonia, my personal all-time fave Shamila, Kelly, Honey, Jennifer and many others were excellent party WGs.

[Mcping]

Jewels and Antonia were something else. Legendary 

Isabella and Kasia are shaping up to be my faves now but a different league to the LMP days

[vt]

I don't subscribe to the LG glory days theory...though admittedly I only caught the last couple of years there, it may have been better before that. There were great girls and lots of fun, but there were sometimes lame girls, though of course they didn't last long. We had stonking parties at Westminster and Edgware Rd too, some of my best parties were the themed parties at Westminster. I've also had some great ones at the latest Phoenix venue.

I agree that Em's timely interjections as she toured the rooms at the previous venues did add something and spurred us onto greatness. I suppose the one room set-up at Phoenix doesn't lend itself to this as much. Also, I guess she must have seen just about everything many times over the years, so I wouldn't blame her if her enthusiasm had waned somewhat.

As to the VFM aspect, you can't really expect to compare prices from 5-10 years ago. Yes, there are less girls at Phoenix, but you still get 2hrs non-stop action and the ratios are still 2:1 max. I very rarely got round all 7 girls at LMP, mostly 5, sometimes 6, so it's not much difference in reality. £32 a go sounds like good value to me.

I too pick carefully the line-ups I want to attend as there are about half a dozen girls I just don't fancy or I don't seem to click with, but when there's 5 on the rota that I like, I still have a lot of fun there. I was there earlier this month and had a stonking party with Luiza & Nicole et al.

There's still nothing with comparable quality & ratios in London for the price. There are cheaper, longer parties with less attractive girls and higher ratios, like LSAP. There are slightly cheaper ones with attractive girls, but higher ratios, like GGP & FuckClub. But nothing that competes directly.

Cambridge Parties is the only outfit I can think of that offers a guaranteed 2:1 ratio and they want £220 for 2.5hrs with breaks.

[Kingy28]

Cambridge Parties is the only outfit I can think of that offers a guaranteed 2:1 ratio and they want £220 for 2.5hrs with breaks.

Hotbox Northampton offer a maximun 2:1 guarantee and charge £120 for 2 hours of solid action
External Link/Members Only

I have been & they are very good
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=117515.0

[smiths]

I don't subscribe to the LG glory days theory...though admittedly I only caught the last couple of years there, it may have been better before that. There were great girls and lots of fun, but there were sometimes lame girls, though of course they didn't last long. We had stonking parties at Westminster and Edgware Rd too, some of my best parties were the themed parties at Westminster. I've also had some great ones at the latest Phoenix venue.

I agree that Em's timely interjections as she toured the rooms at the previous venues did add something and spurred us onto greatness. I suppose the one room set-up at Phoenix doesn't lend itself to this as much. Also, I guess she must have seen just about everything many times over the years, so I wouldn't blame her if her enthusiasm had waned somewhat.

As to the VFM aspect, you can't really expect to compare prices from 5-10 years ago. Yes, there are less girls at Phoenix, but you still get 2hrs non-stop action and the ratios are still 2:1 max. I very rarely got round all 7 girls at LMP, mostly 5, sometimes 6, so it's not much difference in reality. £32 a go sounds like good value to me.

I too pick carefully the line-ups I want to attend as there are about half a dozen girls I just don't fancy or I don't seem to click with, but when there's 5 on the rota that I like, I still have a lot of fun there. I was there earlier this month and had a stonking party with Luiza & Nicole et al.

There's still nothing with comparable quality & ratios in London for the price. There are cheaper, longer parties with less attractive girls and higher ratios, like LSAP. There are slightly cheaper ones with attractive girls, but higher ratios, like GGP & FuckClub. But nothing that competes directly.

Cambridge Parties is the only outfit I can think of that offers a guaranteed 2:1 ratio and they want £220 for 2.5hrs with breaks.

I can compare prices and post what I want in reality, its certainly got fuck all to do with you what I post.

[iPad3]

Each to there own etc and I only went to LG once but that vile stench of smoke in the upstairs surely had to put people off.

Personally Westminster was the place that holds the best memories, had some great parties their and loved the layout.

[Rocket Scientist]

Not really a review, more of a whine. Should be in London discussion section?

[Honolulu]

As a newbie to the forum - i certainly appreciate all information. But, talking about a bygone era not that useful in reality.

Fellow members - please do share information and experiences of Phoenix type clubs that are around.

Thanks

[Royd30]

I don't agree with negative responses about people sharing experiences even if it's in the past, I am sure many people welcome all feedback whether it has been in a "bygone era" or not, all feedback equips us punters for future encounters. So thanks for your comments and maybe the newbie will learn that we need to share. I dont expect any comments on my small winge here as mine is just my opinion. I have attended Phoenix in the past as well as Em's previous establishments and probably agree that it's not like the old days.....rgds

[An tUasal Liathroid Mor]

Great description of Em from my own LMP Lancaster Gate days, it really was party central and among the best fun I have ever had in punting in over 30 years. She added so much to the experience in my opinion simply by being their and supervising and encouraging. I also add Moss who I liked having a chat to and especially before he got ill when he was usually sitting upstairs in the chair near the window. For me Phoenix is a backwards step as it has less WGs per party but the cost is the same as LMP at his end. And when I first partied at LMP it was actually £120 per party, £200 for 2 parties and £300 for 3 parties in a day, and with 7 or sometimes 8 WGs per party, more often 7, great VFM to me.

Though I didn't fancy all the WGs at LMP virtually all were seemingly enthusiastic, those that weren't didn't last long in my observations, WGs like Jewels, Antonia, my personal all-time fave Shamila, Kelly, Honey, Jennifer and many others were excellent party WGs.

My 'Go To' combination was Paloma and Shamila....double BJ par excellence....Antonia was a bit too bossy for me!!

Em....if you are reading this....please...please...sort out the current situation of uninterested girls without customer-service.....I am of no doubt that you will regain many many lost customers......and renew many old friendships...

[iPad3]

As a newbie to the forum - i certainly appreciate all information. But, talking about a bygone era not that useful in reality.

Well I really must apologise, how rude of me to post my thoughts on a punting forum with a view to discussing them with fellow punters, who I might add have been around long enough to know what I'm talking about.

Making comments about what others should or shouldn't post will most likely mean you won't be around much longer but in the meantime I'll post what I like thanks and I frankly couldn't give a flying fuck wether it's of help to you or anybody else.

[smiths]

As a newbie to the forum - i certainly appreciate all information. But, talking about a bygone era not that useful in reality.

Fellow members - please do share information and experiences of Phoenix type clubs that are around.

Thanks

I couldn't give a shit if its useful to you or not.

[jackson1617]

I am Not a prolific attender of these parties  but I have attended
one or two at each location going back to the Lancaster Gate days.
Whilst I agree that the parties are not as good as they used to be I am still happy to attend
as it provides a differnt experience and I believe its still Good value.

Now could anybody please provide some comments on the line up
for next Thursday which is SANDRA MONIQUE AMANDA PARISSA and KASIA
I have seen Kasia and Sandra on previous visits but know little of the others.
My preference is slim Ladies which is why I am considering an Indi for this visit to
the capital.

[jeezyuk]

I am Not a prolific attender of these parties  but I have attended
one or two at each location going back to the Lancaster Gate days.
Whilst I agree that the parties are not as good as they used to be I am still happy to attend
as it provides a differnt experience and I believe its still Good value.

Now could anybody please provide some comments on the line up
for next Thursday which is SANDRA MONIQUE AMANDA PARISSA and KASIA
I have seen Kasia and Sandra on previous visits but know little of the others.
My preference is slim Ladies which is why I am considering an Indi for this visit to
the capital.

Hi,

If you are looking for very slender/thin ladies, none of these will be match-sticks. However their figures are toned and fit.

All of these girls provide great OWO, and a more GFE with the exception of Kasia, who likes it rough. You might need a pill to satisfy her as she is a dirty, rough woman. I personally enjoy her.

Monique and Parissa are very engaging and they have grown out of their initial shell, to become very busy party girls.

I'm into more mature women these days, so Amanda is going to see me again soon ... when I'm not attending any Xmas events. I wish they had a huge mirror, so I could watch her ass and tits move while I fuck her.

This is a great party to attend. I'm tempted but I want a lineup with girls I haven't seen before + Amanda. I want to increase the numbers in my logbook 

[vt]

Hotbox Northampton offer a maximun 2:1 guarantee and charge £120 for 2 hours of solid action
External Link/Members Only

I have been & they are very good
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=117515.0

Northampton probably won't be any good for London-based guys.

I have been tempted as it does look good value...but what is the average age of the girls there? 

[Royd30]

Well said ipad3...keep up with the informative posts and I'm sure the majority of us will appreciate it....rgds

[jackson1617]

Hi,

If you are looking for very slender/thin ladies, none of these will be match-sticks. However their figures are toned and fit.

All of these girls provide great OWO, and a more GFE with the exception of Kasia, who likes it rough. You might need a pill to satisfy her as she is a dirty, rough woman. I personally enjoy her.

Monique and Parissa are very engaging and they have grown out of their initial shell, to become very busy party girls.

I'm into more mature women these days, so Amanda is going to see me again soon ... when I'm not attending any Xmas events. I wish they had a huge mirror, so I could watch her ass and tits move while I fuck her.

This is a great party to attend. I'm tempted but I want a lineup with girls I haven't seen before + Amanda. I want to increase the numbers in my logbook 

Thanks jeezy, will probably give it a shot, I might be pleasantly suprised, !`m sure Kasia alone could
keep me well satified 
Shame vera is not on though 

[jeezyuk]

Thanks jeezy, will probably give it a shot, I might be pleasantly suprised, !`m sure Kasia alone could
keep me well satified 
Shame vera is not on though 

If you like Vera and Kasia, you must experience Louisa, Emily, Ivana, Gina, Andrea and Barbara if you can. Louisa and Ivana are my all time favourite.

Read Tejano's review:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=103798.0

... and mine from my profile, to get a better feel for the girls. I'm going to visit in December so I'll post a review ... but you'll probably have punted by then. Good luck mate.

Advice: start with Monique/Parissa and end with Kasia. Kasia will make sure you pop even after all the girls have drained you. I envy you for attending this session 

[Steely Dan]

Northampton probably won't be any good for London-based guys.

I have been tempted as it does look good value...but what is the average age of the girls there? 

Most of the reviews of Hotbox (many with girls description) are posted here.
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Back on topic, I still enjoy Phoenix parties.  The 5 girls (rather than 7) is driven by the decrease in number of guys.  Not sure why there is a decrease in numbers.  Perhaps it is just the service being down a bit as mentioned above.  For me that is not it.  I find it easier to find reliable escorts that wont cancel due to the growth in UKP.  I used to end up at LMP/TPC when let down, or because I didn't want to TOFTT. Now my hot list is full of great escorts that wont let me down.

Still go on occasion as a first choice, but not so much as a back up.

[Jeffpike]

I loved parties once upon a time. LMP were great, Natasha's and Summers also really good but eons ago now. I went to Cambridge Parties once and that was good. LMP on Lancaster gate were pretty good if you could put up with the self important Irish guy who had an opinion on everything. They had some really good girls at LMP but when they went to Phoenix I just gave up. Seemed like it was a chore for everyone involved. Real gap in the market now I think but getting the sums to work must be a nightmare for any organiser.

[chris44]

Sticking everyone in the same room is a big mistake and probably a reason numbers are down imo.

[jeezyuk]

Sticking everyone in the same room is a big mistake and probably a reason numbers are down imo.

I can agree with that. I've never had a multi-room experience, but I imagine it would be nice.

I've become so accustomed to this format now though, that I don't mind the huge orgy that it usually is.

I wish I was part of the LMP glory days. The older generation always seems to have had the most fun!

[thetinman007]

Loved walking from room to room at LMP not knowing what I would find!

[Mike Oxhard]

I much prefer the one room so you are part of the whole party, and it is easier to see more of the girls because you see opportunities to jump in somewhere. Spent lots of time in the past going back and forth between rooms and missing opportunities. It's definitely better now IMO. Feels much more like a party having all the girls together.

[chris44]

Do you go to the parties a lot Mike, I've not been since they moved and it put me off when i kept reading the amount of girls was being reduced at short notice or that Barbara jumps in to take someones place quite often. Thinking of going along again soon, will do a review if i do.

[vt]

Sticking everyone in the same room is a big mistake and probably a reason numbers are down imo.

I can see advantages and disadvantages to all the different set-ups, so I'm neutral on that...it's the girls I'm there for, not the architecture! 

[jackson1617]

Multiple rooms for ... used to be great wondering around like a kid in a sweet shop.
There used to be a greater number of good looking girls that also provided an exceptional service. These days there are still a  few stars but also too many poor lookers/poor service girls just making up the numbers.

Jeezyuk I`ve read Tejano`s review and totally agree with his top five, all great girls, have seen a few from your list too
Gina and andrea were good but I think Barbara is a bit junky for my taste!!

[lostandfound]

I've been to dozens of their parties, as have others who've commented on this thread. For me LG was the best venue - combination of Em being "on it" and the layout of the venue (and the girls, of course). It just worked really well, IMO.

I remember hearing the news they were leaving LG as feeling like a kick in the stomach. I also remember thinking Westminster was a great piece of real estate, but, meh, that's not why I was there. Edgware was imitation Westminster, and TPC is kind of cramped and small, by comparison to what came before. Still a great piece of real estate in the millionaires ghetto that is West Central London, but if they downgraded on the property side and upgraded the party vibe IMO punters would be happier.

[vt]

I've been to dozens of their parties, as have others who've commented on this thread. For me LG was the best venue - combination of Em being "on it" and the layout of the venue (and the girls, of course). It just worked really well, IMO.

I remember hearing the news they were leaving LG as feeling like a kick in the stomach. I also remember thinking Westminster was a great piece of real estate, but, meh, that's not why I was there. Edgware was imitation Westminster, and TPC is kind of cramped and small, by comparison to what came before. Still a great piece of real estate in the millionaires ghetto that is West Central London, but if they downgraded on the property side and upgraded the party vibe IMO punters would be happier.

Leaving LG was disconcerting, because that's what we were used to and there were great memories made there, but it did use to get stifling in the summer in those unventilated, low-ceilinged basement rooms and when one of the 2 showers went out of action and there were 14 guys to get cleaned up, it was mayhem. The Lounge upstairs was magnificent, though obviously I tried to spend as little time as possible there. I always thought it would have been a great space to party in....which is almost what we've got now at Phoenix.

The current venue is far from small, though we rarely see the top two floors. The main room has 3 double beds, a loveswing and 2 armchairs...with plenty of room for a party, and best of all, it has a large capacity ceiling-mounted air-con unit for those dog days of summer.

As you say, the mix of girls and the enthusiasm of the organiser comes higher up my list of priorities than the architecture.

[lostandfound]

Leaving LG was disconcerting, because that's what we were used to and there were great memories made there, but it did use to get stifling in the summer in those unventilated, low-ceilinged basement rooms and when one of the 2 showers went out of action and there were 14 guys to get cleaned up, it was mayhem. The Lounge upstairs was magnificent, though obviously I tried to spend as little time as possible there. I always thought it would have been a great space to party in....which is almost what we've got now at Phoenix.

The current venue is far from small, though we rarely see the top two floors. The main room has 3 double beds, a loveswing and 2 armchairs...with plenty of room for a party, and best of all, it has a large capacity ceiling-mounted air-con unit for those dog days of summer.

As you say, the mix of girls and the enthusiasm of the organiser comes higher up my list of priorities than the architecture.

I found the downstairs rooms at LG OK - they had fans and basement rooms didn't get as much light as the main rooms at Westminster, where the main party room used to get really hot on a summers day with all of that glass.

Current venue is a painfully narrow modern (60s or 70s?) building. No room to swing a cat, like many modern properties. Even the party room which is basically all of one floor is like a corridor, long and narrow. It's a house of staircases and corridors and small cramped rooms. LG and Westminster, and even Edgware, were spacious by comparison. It maybe astonishing that they can even afford to rent something like that given the area is popular with the super rich, but IMO punters would probably be as happy in East Central London as West Central London, where their £100K+ annual rental would buy something roomier. Handier for the City, as well.

[jeezyuk]

I found the downstairs rooms at LG OK - they had fans and basement rooms didn't get as much light as the main rooms at Westminster, where the main party room used to get really hot on a summers day with all of that glass.

Current venue is a painfully narrow modern (60s or 70s?) building. No room to swing a cat, like many modern properties. Even the party room which is basically all of one floor is like a corridor, long and narrow. It's a house of staircases and corridors and small cramped rooms. LG and Westminster, and even Edgware, were spacious by comparison. It maybe astonishing that they can even afford to rent something like that given the area is popular with the super rich, but IMO punters would probably be as happy in East Central London as West Central London, where their £100K+ annual rental would buy something roomier. Handier for the City, as well.

I agree with all the points made but current venue is close to me so I'm happy to have it!  It's also where I started partying so I'm fond of it now!