kissing

[SirFrank]

I had a punt 2 weeks ago in Bristol - it was generally very natural and very good. However, she did say - I don't kiss (even though she advertised that she did and specifically wanted a GFE). given what we did to each other HTF can kissing be off the menu? I simply don't buy the pretty woman line of it being too personal. If you are prepared for cim, swallow and rimming how can kissing be a no no. I'm very clean by the way... also if it isn't on your list of likes, don't list it. anyone else perplexed by this?

kissing for me is a major part of sex. without it I could be fucking a blow up doll

[Jimmyredcab]

I agree, it makes no sense ------ but when you are dealing with pro$$ies logic goes out of the window, better luck next time. 

[carlisle78]

You hadn't been hitting the garlic before the punt had you........? 

[CBPaul]

Totally agree, I'm almost resigned to hearing 'I don't kiss' or getting a quick mouth firmly slammed shut kiss as a poor excuse for the DFK offered.

Seems to me that once one or two had kissing and DFK on their likes list but in reality did't offer it they all started playing the same game. No point in a prossie stating she doesn't kiss and lose custom - doesn't occur that we might not go back.

The 'at discretion' option is is the biggest cop-out going.

[MancSean]

Can't understand why someone would want to kiss someone that rims someone and does cim anyway on several blokes everyday yuk

[Jason]

“French kissing only at discretion” is actually laughable as everything erotic during a meeting with an escort is supposed to be at discretion since strictly speaking you pay just for their time and not for sex. So when I read that French kissing is “at discretion only” I always ask what the conditions are. If they respond that the conditions are only of hygiene nature then OK.

The reasons for a WG not providing proper French kissing are multiple. The most prominent one is because the WG wants to reserve the intimacy of French kissing for her civvy relationships (like drawing a fine line between having sex with a client and sex with her current or future boyfriend). Some WGs don’t do it simply for STI reasons (nb these WGs are also those who are not doing OWO either). Punter’s lips' hygiene can be a reason as well but in that case you expect lipkissing to not be provided either. Occasionally it may also be because they are disgusted by the punter’s face (very old/ugly) or because the punter has a bad breath.

The whole prossie “thinking mechanism” can be culturally related. In my experience I have found that there is a strong correlation between the escort’s nationality and whether she actually provides proper French kissing or not. In particular the vast majority of central European escorts (Polish and Hungarians) do provide proper French kissing. On the contrary it is rare to find a Romanian or Russian escort who is doing French kissing with tongue involvement. The British ones is like 75% yes, 25% no. For other nationalities the percentages are mixed (like 50-50).

[Tailpipe]

We did a pole on a thread earlier this year and DFK was top of most peoples list.
And I think always in top three.

I agree its very important part of any punt for me. If it's not on the list then its a no punt.

[xyfek]

I agree with my fellow punters, no kissing = shit punt, or at best you leave thinking it was OK, but you're not returning. What really annoys me is the deceit, since I tend to choose a girl that clearly states kissing is on the menu, but I don't always get it! Sadly, it's a lot like heavy photoshopped pictures -- you have to take such statements with a pinch of salt to avoid disappointment.

[zatoichi]

“French kissing only at discretion” is actually laughable as everything erotic during a meeting with an escort is supposed to be at discretion since strictly speaking you pay just for their time and not for sex. So when I read that French kissing is “at discretion only” I always ask what the conditions are. If they respond that the conditions are only of hygiene nature then OK.

The reasons for a WG not providing proper French kissing are multiple. The most prominent one is because the WG wants to reserve the intimacy of French kissing for her civvy relationships (like drawing a fine line between having sex with a client and sex with her current or future boyfriend). Some WGs don’t do it simply for STI reasons (nb these WGs are also those who are not doing OWO either). Punter’s lips' hygiene can be a reason as well but in that case you expect lipkissing to not be provided either. Occasionally it may also be because they are disgusted by the punter’s face (very old/ugly) or because the punter has a bad breath.

The whole prossie “thinking mechanism” can be culturally related. In my experience I have found that there is a strong correlation between the escort’s nationality and whether she actually provides proper French kissing or not. In particular the vast majority of central European escorts (Polish and Hungarians) do provide proper French kissing. On the contrary it is rare to find a Romanian or Russian escort who is doing French kissing with tongue involvement. The British ones is like 75% yes, 25% no. For other nationalities the percentages are mixed (like 50-50).

Just had to make one point.You arent paying for time you are paying for sex which is totally legal in the UK and no sort of silly disclaimer is needed

[Phannitikkla]

Completely agree with Frank. I always check exactly what the situation is by email prior to a punt and I guess I must have been lucky.

[Jason]

Just had to make one point.You arent paying for time you are paying for sex which is totally legal in the UK and no sort of silly disclaimer is needed

I know very well that prostitution (paying for sex) is legal in the UK unless coerced or taking place in unlicensed brothels (to which shared flats of many WGs are also included). What I referred to is that girls on adultwork advertise themselves as escorts and there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the page stating this. And besides, any WG (even if she advertised as a prostitute) still has every right to refuse to have sex with you - although in such case you will almost certainly (99.99%), if you wish, get your money back and leave. The enjoy list in Adultwork is a way for girls to state what services you are very likely to receive but if you don't receive them then you cannot complain about a breach of an agreement or false advertisement. Of course you can then write in forums like UKP and/or write a review to warn others that the girl does not always provide sex or does not provide particular services listed in her enjoy list (e.g French kissing). Because WGs know about word of mouth, there should be a very good reason for them to refuse having sex with a client otherwise their “career” as escorts will be short-lived. For French kissing the things might work out a bit differently as although important for many in emulating a GFE it is not the WG primary service- penetration/oral sex is.

[akauya]

Aren't you all kissing aficionados grateful for the EE prossies invasion? Every time I see the xenophobes going on about how important kissing is for them I laugh when they bitch about foreign girls. Before EE girls arrived in the UK kissing was practically non existent. EE girls upped the ante and British prossies had to keep up, so thank god for EE girls eh?

Having said that, kissing doesn't bother me. I only kiss women I'm in a way emotionally connected to e.g. lovers, etc. The idea of kissing a WG when she could have been slurping another bloke's cum in her mouth a few moments before me puts me off. So thanks but no thanks.

[Roland D Hay]

I flat refuse to kiss a prossie, you don't know who's been stinking their tongue down her throat 30 minutes earlier. No, I'll confine myself to burying my face in her muff 

[Tailpipe]

Aren't you all kissing aficionados grateful for the EE prossies invasion? Every time I see the xenophobes going on about how important kissing is for them I laugh when they bitch about foreign girls. Before EE girls arrived in the UK kissing was practically non existent. EE girls upped the ante and British prossies had to keep up, so thank god for EE girls eh?

Having said that, kissing doesn't bother me. I only kiss women I'm in a way emotionally connected to e.g. lovers, etc. The idea of kissing a WG when she could have been slurping another bloke's cum in her mouth a few moments before me puts me off. So thanks but no thanks.

Thanks man "slurping another blokes cum" do not fancy my quackier oaks this morning. 
 

[Tailpipe]

I flat refuse to kiss a prossie, you don't know who's been stinking their tongue down her throat 30 minutes earlier. No, I'll confine myself to burying my face in her muff 

That's ok as long as she has not been BB buy her pimp just before you turned up. 

[akauya]

The idea of kissing a WG when she could have been slurping another bloke's cum in her mouth a few moments before me puts me off.

That's ok as long as she has not been BB buy her pimp just before you turned up. 

I don't know which one is worse! 

That's why akauya don't DFK & akauya don't RO 

[Jimmyredcab]

I have seen positive reviews where the girl has refused to kiss --------------- as they say oop North "There's nowt as queer as folk" 

Kissing is ESSENTIAL for me.     

[akauya]

I have seen positive reviews where the girl has refused to kiss --------------- as they say oop North "There's nowt as queer as folk" 

Kissing is ESSENTIAL for me.     

So, are you glad then that EE girls brought kissing to the UK?

[Jimmyredcab]

So, are you glad then that EE girls brought kissing to the UK?

I wish the Romanians would have stayed away -------------- nothing wrong with girls from Poland.   

[Hyborean]

I'm another for whom kissing is essential.
I have to admit that I try not to think about her having just done CIM etc when. I kiss or RO a WG.
Maybe one day I won't need those things. 

I made another thread about EE girls kissing but it never occurs to me that I should probably split it in to Central and EE as traditionally they are all thought of as EE. It does make sense though.

I need to find more Hungarian and Polish lasses. Not that many around Brum!

[akauya]

I have seen positive reviews where the girl has refused to kiss --------------- as they say oop North "There's nowt as queer as folk" 

Kissing is ESSENTIAL for me.     

I have seen positive reviews where the punter has paid £100 for half an hour to get himself beaten up by the prossie --------------- as they say oop North "There's nowt as queer as folk" 

Not getting beat up by prossies is ESSENTIAL for me.     

[bestbefore]

If you want a nice slurpy dfk girl, go see Sweet Leeloo in West Kensington!

[Jimmyredcab]

Not getting beat up by prossies is ESSENTIAL for me.     

Well it hasn't happened in my first 30 years of punting so I doubt it will happen now.   

[Jimmyredcab]

Some of you lads expect too much.

You pay £70 an hour in a pimp run brothel and expect the girl to treat you like a long lost boyfriend ----------- that is not going to happen. 

[Roland D Hay]

That's ok as long as she has not been BB buy her pimp just before you turned up. 

You took me at my word and missed the irony then. 

[rangersburd]

Kissing is ESSENTIAL for me.     

too right, makes the whole experience way more erotic

though i wish more would kiss with their eyes open as i love gazing in them while kissing 

[Trenlover]

ofcourse kissing is essential, I would never book a girl that didnt offer kissing and would promptly end a punt where I was told no kissing.

no kissing is a sign the girl really dislikes the job and wants to remain as distanced from you as possible during the encounter. big turn off. 

[SteveNova]

I always look for kissing and the deeper the better.  I don't always want penetration but kissing as a prelude to OWO needs to be on the menu.

[Rochdull lad]

ofcourse kissing is essential, I would never book a girl that didnt offer kissing and would promptly end a punt where I was told no kissing.

no kissing is a sign the girl really dislikes the job and wants to remain as distanced from you as possible during the encounter. big turn off. 

Hear hear.

I've never had a punt where there was NO kissing at all, but my least happy memories are of those where there was no DFK.

If I were to see someone new these days, the absence of DFK from her "Likes" on AW would be a no-no.

[pierrot]

I cant seem to locate a FR for the girl from the original post.

[dandaley]

for me sex without kissing is a turn off infact i can get off with kissing and a good rub, wank tbh, rather that than sex with no kissing whatsoever but thats me 

[smiths]

Some of you lads expect too much.

You pay £70 an hour in a pimp run brothel and expect the girl to treat you like a long lost boyfriend ----------- that is not going to happen.

Incorrect, although i have no idea if the WG had a pimp or not, many WGs do of course, no idea as you dont what the actual set-up is with most WGs. I paid £70 an hour to punt with an EE WG who was excellent at DFK and OWO and have punted with many others at £80-90 an hour who were as good or better over the years.

The fact is many WGs have pimps, it in no way means the WG isnt freely working for her pimp and gives him or her an agreed cut of their fees. Many WGs i have spoken to over the years started out at Parlours or Agencies working for pimps then went part-time Indie, got established then went full-time Indie, including some foreign WGs. Clearly being able to speak English helps a lot.

[smiths]

Aren't you all kissing aficionados grateful for the EE prossies invasion? Every time I see the xenophobes going on about how important kissing is for them I laugh when they bitch about foreign girls. Before EE girls arrived in the UK kissing was practically non existent. EE girls upped the ante and British prossies had to keep up, so thank god for EE girls eh?

Having said that, kissing doesn't bother me. I only kiss women I'm in a way emotionally connected to e.g. lovers, etc. The idea of kissing a WG when she could have been slurping another bloke's cum in her mouth a few moments before me puts me off. So thanks but no thanks.

I certainly am grateful as i experienced the no kissing of Brit WGs up until the EE WG invasion. They all said the same thing in those days, kissing was for their boyfriends or husbands.

EE WGs brought more extensive services and at cheaper cost often as well. Brit WGs in the main followed their lead in my experiences.

[Jimmyredcab]

Incorrect, although i have no idea if the WG had a pimp or not, many WGs do of course, no idea as you dont what the actual set-up is with most WGs. I paid £70 an hour to punt with an EE WG who was excellent at DFK and OWO and have punted with many others at £80-90 an hour who were as good or better over the years.

The fact is many WGs have pimps, it in no way means the WG isnt freely working for her pimp and gives him or her an agreed cut of their fees. Many WGs i have spoken to over the years started out at Parlours or Agencies working for pimps then went part-time Indie, got established then went full-time Indie, including some foreign WGs. Clearly being able to speak English helps a lot.

It is NOT incorrect.

If the girl is getting paid a pittance (a share of £70) she is not going to have her heart in the job.
You may have paid £80 an hour in the past but you have also paid £180 (Chelsea of Watford)

[smiths]

It is NOT incorrect.

If the girl is getting paid a pittance (a share of £70) she is not going to have her heart in the job.
You may have paid £80 an hour in the past but you have also paid £180 (Chelsea of Watford)

You or me or others dont know what cut a WG gets of any booking, its not my business, unless i feel a WG isnt working of her own free will which i have never yet thought fortunately i dont concern myself with it.

It was incorrect as my experiences have been otherwise, it did happen, so i know i have had good punts with WGs who offered the services i required for £70 and many times at £80-90 an hour. Your generalising when you say you wont get a good service from such WGs. The fact is that depends on the individual WG, not what she charges.

I will pay what i am prepared to pay and Alex/Chelsea was worth the £180 an hour to me as cost isnt the ONLY thing i look for, VFM as i see it is as well which she was offering me and a great service is of equal importance.

[Jimmyredcab]

You or me or others dont know what cut a WG gets of any booking.

Yes, this has been discussed numerous times, it obviously varies from pimp to pimp.

A well known brothel in Ilford used to take 50% ---------------- if the girl was telling the truth.

I still think some punters expect too much for very low rates, if you pay £4-50 for steak and chips don't expect it to be tender. 

[smiths]

Yes, this has been discussed numerous times, it obviously varies from pimp to pimp.

A well known brothel in Ilford used to take 50% ---------------- if the girl was telling the truth.

I still think some punters expect too much for very low rates, if you pay £4-50 for steak and chips don't expect it to be tender. 

Indeed, its been discussed and we dont know as fact, its all guessing or going on what WGs have told us which might or might not be true.

I expect a good service from a WG whatever she charges, as its her or her pimps business what they charge once its set then i should get a good service every time. After all i ALWAYS have the agreed cash on me and arrive as agreed. Whether i will get a good service or not is always dependent on that individual WGs attitude, not what she charges as proved to me many times over many years.

[garyrcc]

A girl I met on my last punt nearlly ate me alive  , tbh I enjoyed it just as much as all the other "services" I had

[Rochdull lad]

A girl I met on my last punt nearlly ate me alive  , tbh I enjoyed it just as much as all the other "services" I had

And your Review of her is to be found on . . ?

[jimbobwood]

A girl I met on my last punt nearlly ate me alive  , tbh I enjoyed it just as much as all the other "services" I had

Include a link then, spill the beans! Your comment is totally useless to us otherwise.

[garyrcc]

Ive given my opinion on the topic bumped, hardly useless, isnt that what the forum was about? I appreciate some guys do reviews but its not really where im going with this,

[Jimmyredcab]

Ive given my opinion on the topic bumped, hardly useless, isnt that what the forum was about? I appreciate some guys do reviews but its not really where im going with this,

Fair enough gary, then your comments are as useful as a chocolate fireguard.     

[vorian]

Ive given my opinion on the topic bumped, hardly useless, isnt that what the forum was about? I appreciate some guys do reviews but its not really where im going with this,

How about a link then, I would be interested in a girl like that.

[Jimmyredcab]

How about a link then, I would be interested in a girl like that.

Yes, we all would --------------------------- I call bullshit.     

[Bangers and Gash]

How about a link then, I would be interested in a girl like that.

Too right. 

C'mon, stick with the ethos of the site.

Give up the link, you tight fucker 

[smiths]

Ive given my opinion on the topic bumped, hardly useless, isnt that what the forum was about? I appreciate some guys do reviews but its not really where im going with this,

Whats the point of posting how good a WG was on here and then not name her, its obvious you would be asked who she was as punters wish to punt with good WGs so if you have punted with one why mention her in the first place if you have no intention of naming her.

[garyrcc]

I enjoy kissing as much as everything else, hurrah feel free to be rude to me because Ihave a low post count,

[grandmaster-ram-rod]

I enjoy kissing as much as everything else, hurrah feel free to be rude to me because Ihave a low post count,

it's not your low post count, it's the fact that you're not sharing info, and thats what this forum is about

but maybe you're a new punter and have fallen in love with this girl, and want to keep her from us nasty evil men 

[vorian]

I enjoy kissing as much as everything else, hurrah feel free to be rude to me because Ihave a low post count,

I'm not being rude,  I would like to look at the profile of this prossy who you said was very good, as I too like kissing and would appreciate the recommendation.

So please could you post her link, thank you.

[garyrcc]

I dont have a name bizarely enough it was my first time and she never disclosed it, she works in Runcorns only massage parlor on a Thursday , blonde, really pretty face , late 20s, the website doesnt disclose pictures so if anyone reading knows who im talking about drop a line,