Failures ?

[Matium]

Why, oh why, oh why, do civvy women feel the constant need to talk about prostitutes ?

Is it deep down they're afraid of losing their men to them ?

Overhead a a group of middle aged women talking in a pub, after the usual prattle about prostitutes being drug addled skanks living on council estates and cheating on benefits, the talk turned to the men who use prostitutes and the word that came up was "failures", that they were such a bunch of failures that no woman will have them and so the dirty mac brigade have to use prostitutes to get what they want.

It made me think, am I a failure ? If punters are failures then what does that make WGs ? even bigger failures ?

I, for one, am utterly fed up with going to pubs, clubs and other places, looking at women - and not getting a single one looking at me back or even giving me a smile.

After all, how many personal rejections is a man supposed to take ?

Does getting fed up at being ignored by civvy women, make a man a failure ?

[ForrestGump]

Why, oh why, oh why, do civvy women feel the constant need to talk about prostitutes ?

Is it deep down they're afraid of losing their men to them ?

Damn right they're afraid.

I see using wgs as taking care of a specific need I have. There's a service provided and I can buy it to take care of my need. In our society it's considered taboo. And if that makes me a failure then I'm happy to be named a failure. But it won't make me stop. And anyway name calling never achieved anything constructive.

And anyway in that group of women sitting there in the pub you can probably predict that at least one of their OH was out punting while they were out gassing 

[Ali Katt]

Yes, You only need to look at mumsnet where they are referred to as husband stealers. Women are in competition with other women, more so than men against men. The women are confused that a man would go for a woman in his 20, over his wife and that is somehow perverse or unusual. Women know once they get to 40, their attractiveness goes down, so do men, but men are considered to age better, but why wouldn't woman be jealous of age, beauty and sexuality - they aspire to them. Some people trot out the same old diatribe to be apart of a group, streetwalkers, druggies and chav are all prossies, but not all them are.

You only need to read some shit prossies come out "you cunts can't get a woman" and stuff like that. I think women hate the fact that men are only interested in beauty in some case, not their personalities and that prossying is largely superficial. Or is it the fact women know they can be effectively bought?

[Uoti2]

According to this website:
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all of these people have used prostitutes:
 Max Mosley
 Charlie Sheen
 Hugh Grant
 Tiger Woods
 Jerry Springer
 Silvio Berlusconi
 Wayne Rooney

What a bunch of failures. No woman would have them.

[SirFrank]

Civvy women have no insight into the world of paid sex and as you say they largely believe that prossies are drug addled disease laden scum hanging around on street corners waiting for men to bang them bareback in the back of their cars. For the most part I imagine most of them lie there like a fucking corpse on the one night of the year they do actually open their legs.

Even when I was in my prime and single I couldn't be arsed with the ballache of pulling. Small talk - fuck that shit. Even when you get through the preamble the spoils are rarely worth it. I reached the stage of singleton that unless they made all the running I couldn't be bothered

[Matium]

According to this website:
   External Link/Members Only
all of these people have used prostitutes:
 Max Mosley
 Charlie Sheen
 Hugh Grant
 Tiger Woods
 Jerry Springer
 Silvio Berlusconi
 Wayne Rooney

What a bunch of failures. No woman would have them.

King Edward VIII was the King and Emperor.

His visits to French brothels were legendary.

He had a chair designed especially for him so that he could have two girls at once and his favourite pasttime was to have a bath filled with champagne which he would then use with two girls - he always liked having threesomes.

But then King Edward VIII was such a failure and part of the dirty mac brigade.



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[rubric]

I have a theory; I think instinctively female/female interactions are a lot more conservative than male/male ones in thatthere is far more ostracisation that goes on when a woman is perceived to step out of line.  Just eavesdrop on a bunch of women talking about a friend of theirs to whom something has happened to - husband left her maybe, or lost her job or something.  Quite often a large part of the conversation will be setting up a distance between the people in the conversation and the subject of the conversation - the jist being "This happened to her because of X, Y and Z, and of course it wouldn't happen to us because we are not like her".  You'll often get a second level of this if one of them happens to leave the conversation half way through - at which point she will become the subject of the conversation.
 
Coupled with this I think many (not all) women don't actually like being in relationships in and of themselves - what they actually want are the positional benefits the relationship brings.  I mean seriously - you purport to love someone but you are never willing to spend time doing the activity they want to do? (I suspect most men would be happy enough with fairly vanilla sex with their wives as long as it was reasonably regular).

So I can see why they get so het up about sex workers as they are in a literal sense 'beyond the Pale'. They don't conform to polite female society - or are seen not to, and the pose as a terrible threat in the minds of most women for reason 2.

[charming_red]

Its the old stereotype of prossies being drugged up skanks and punters old, fat loners or ugly guys who can't pull a bird. However the paid sex landscape has changed dramatically with the advent of the internet. You now get all sorts of guys from all walks of life paying for sex. These are good educated lads, not failures. The annonymity of the web allows this and its great fun picking girls off websites rather than looking up some hooker in a phone booth ad.

Civvie women will struggle to understand that because this subject is still somewhat of a taboo in many quarters and its hard for them to see things from the mens side so will almost always follow the old mainstream stereotypes. If they could see we can pick from a host of hot mediterrenean looking 20-somethings and go shag them they might actually put a little more effort into understanding punting. And try to look as good as European women.

[Matium]

And try to look as good as European women.

No wonder European, especially French, women always smirk at English women.

Middle class, middle aged English women will never give up their Boden catalogues.

[Sienna_Bronze]

I can't speak for all women but when this conversation has come up in my social circles most women are ok with prostitution. They obviously couldn't imagine their own partner doing it but they are aware that's punters aren't just dirty old men.

When I lived in Germany there was a brothel nearby that would be rammed on pay day and most people kinda accepted the fact that the young single guys were indulging in paid for sex. Then again it could be a generation thing since all my friends are under 30. They also know I'm a prostitute and that has changed their perception on the industry too.

[a10]

I can't speak for all women but when this conversation has come up in my social circles most women are ok with prostitution. They obviously couldn't imagine their own partner doing it but they are aware that's punters aren't just dirty old men.

When I lived in Germany there was a brothel nearby that would be rammed on pay day and most people kinda accepted the fact that the young single guys were indulging in paid for sex. Then again it could be a generation thing since all my friends are under 30. They also know I'm a prostitute and that has changed their perception on the industry too.

Hate to tell you this Sienna, but the conversation is probably very different when you're not around. Women are, on the whole, two-faced in the extreme. I can't speak for all women obviously, so maybe you have a group of unusually honest and truthful friends.

[Jackjones]

Why, oh why, oh why, do civvy women feel the constant need to talk about prostitutes ?

fear and jealousy.

It's not just prostitutes tho its anything near/along tho's lines. Lap dancers, Pin up girls hell even girls who give massage can get hit with it.

Women talk about it to reaffirm the fact of how they see men who visit or like such girls as well as to give voice to the fear of them, i'm sure i'm not the only one who can count the hundreds of times they have seen or been in a fight with a civvy for just talking to another girl and the only REAL reason for it is because they got viewed as a threat, never seen a girl get upset when a guy randomly starts talking to some ugly fat bird....

Worst thing is most girls would do it if they could, most people i know outside of my immediate family know i punt and its made for some interesting conversations and great for putting arrogant girls in there place, once on a night out with a female friend of mine and some of her mates the "hottie" of the group (on dancer floor with the other girls.) randomly turn around and laught at me saying "Well out of your league!" she wasn't happy with my reply of "your right but if i get dessperate i might teach you how to **** properly."

Funny thing is back at the house that night i ended up being the Q&A guy for these girls about escorts and sat watching them hunting around AW for esscorts in their area, as you can guess alot of shocked face's to the number of girls that popped up and at the rates they charged!

[Flipperty]

I think there is two main reasons for this.

Firstly, men and women are fundamentally different. If a man sees a picture of a naked woman he is ready to go, straight away, regardless of whether she has a great personality, or whether she is nice, or whether she is intelligent. Men are attracted to beauty and youth, since on an evolutionary level, these two characters are what men crave. Women, at least in my experience, mostly only want to fuck a guy they like, that ticks all the boxes, makes her laugh, makes her feel safe... Whatever. We're just different. As men, we have our heart, our dicks and our mind, and we can be attracted to a woman on either level. With women, usually all three are connected.

Secondly, most women are entitled. They get chatted up, complimented, get gifts, get dinners bought for them, get taken on holidays. Men spoil women to get sex, so women get used to this. Sex to women is a weapon. And sex is usually something that is got with difficulty. So when you can pay £150 to sleep with a gorgeous 24-year-old who will make all your fantasies come true, that weapon becomes less powerful.

In short, women control the access to sex, and it is their greatest power.

[tonysoprano]

I earn a 6 figure salary and work in the City. I can promise you if men who use WG's are 'failures' then the City of London is full of very highly paid 'failures'. I can afford to pay for as much sex as I want because I've worked hard enough over the last 20 years to earn that right.
My mortgage is paid off, I have no debts and am single with no kids. I do work very long hours and given the hassle that most GF's can give you if you're not there to wine, dine and watch the fucking X-Factor with them, i'd far rather stay single and get laid when I want, on my terms not someone else's. I don't see how that makes me a failure in any way but if some daft bints think it does than more fool them.

[tonysoprano]

Men spoil women to get sex, so women get used to this. Sex to women is a weapon. And sex is usually something that is got with difficulty. So when you can pay £150 to sleep with a gorgeous 24-year-old who will make all your fantasies come

I've had plenty of real dates with girls where I've spent well over that. And not all of those dates have ended up with me getting laid either. Seeing WG's can actually save you money, especially if you live in London!

[Matium]

I've had plenty of real dates with girls where I've spent well over that. And not all of those dates have ended up with me getting laid either. Seeing WG's can actually save you money, especially if you live in London!

That's true, when you think of the cost of dinner and wine and then theatre tickets and all for what? ,,,,,,,,,, at the end a peck on the cheek!

Of course never once does she make the slightest effort to open her own purse.

[Happylad]

King Edward VIII was the King and Emperor.

His visits to French brothels were legendary.

He had a chair designed especially for him so that he could have two girls at once and his favourite pasttime was to have a bath filled with champagne which he would then use with two girls - he always liked having threesomes.

But then King Edward VIII was such a failure and part of the dirty mac brigade.



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King Edward VIII was, in fact, king for only a few months and abdicated before his coronation, and while he certainly `put it about a bit`that was almost entirely with english mistresses and in this country until he met Mrs. Simpson

I think you are mistaking him for his grandfather, who was king from 1901 to 1910, and although the indiscretions to which you refer were well known, they were committed before he became king and was still Prince of Wales.

[Matium]

Yes, my spelling mistake.

King Edward VII.

[ForrestGump]

I think there is two main reasons for this.

Firstly, men and women are fundamentally different. If a man sees a picture of a naked woman he is ready to go, straight away, regardless of whether she has a great personality, or whether she is nice, or whether she is intelligent. Men are attracted to beauty and youth, since on an evolutionary level, these two characters are what men crave. Women, at least in my experience, mostly only want to fuck a guy they like, that ticks all the boxes, makes her laugh, makes her feel safe... Whatever. We're just different. As men, we have our heart, our dicks and our mind, and we can be attracted to a woman on either level. With women, usually all three are connected.

Secondly, most women are entitled. They get chatted up, complimented, get gifts, get dinners bought for them, get taken on holidays. Men spoil women to get sex, so women get used to this. Sex to women is a weapon. And sex is usually something that is got with difficulty. So when you can pay £150 to sleep with a gorgeous 24-year-old who will make all your fantasies come true, that weapon becomes less powerful.

In short, women control the access to sex, and it is their greatest power.

Very good points which I totally agree with, for the most part.

Sorry to take a bit of a side-turning off the main topic but wanted to pick up on the part of your comment highlighted. What punting has revealed to me is that it takes more than just youth and looks and a hot body for a successful punt. I say that because I've been with wgs who fit that category perfectly but their cold, uninterested attitude has killed the punt stone dead for me. And I know there are many others in the forum who'll concur. It makes me wonder whether, at the end of the day, the needs of men and women are so different? 

[Flipperty]

As men it's our fault, we don't have to play the 'dating game'. It's just something that society forces men into, probably to fund restaurants. I will never try and buy a woman's affection, because it's pathetic, you're either with me 'cause you like me or not. It's fine either way.

Also, the more I've learned about women over the years, the more I realise how most men don't understand what turns women on. For women, it's a lot of anticipation, so if you fuck your wife with a quick poke and then roll over and fall asleep, the woman's needs are unfulfilled, so she probably resents satisfying him.

I mean, how hard is it to suck a dick?

[Happyjose]

According to this website:
   External Link/Members Only
all of these people have used prostitutes:
 Max Mosley
 Charlie Sheen
 Hugh Grant
 Tiger Woods
 Jerry Springer
 Silvio Berlusconi
 Wayne Rooney

What a bunch of failures. No woman would have them.

As the saying goes, when I die I want Charlie Sheen's life to flash before my eyes

[smiths]

I think there is two main reasons for this.

Firstly, men and women are fundamentally different. If a man sees a picture of a naked woman he is ready to go, straight away, regardless of whether she has a great personality, or whether she is nice, or whether she is intelligent. Men are attracted to beauty and youth, since on an evolutionary level, these two characters are what men crave. Women, at least in my experience, mostly only want to fuck a guy they like, that ticks all the boxes, makes her laugh, makes her feel safe... Whatever. We're just different. As men, we have our heart, our dicks and our mind, and we can be attracted to a woman on either level. With women, usually all three are connected.

Secondly, most women are entitled. They get chatted up, complimented, get gifts, get dinners bought for them, get taken on holidays. Men spoil women to get sex, so women get used to this. Sex to women is a weapon. And sex is usually something that is got with difficulty. So when you can pay £150 to sleep with a gorgeous 24-year-old who will make all your fantasies come true, that weapon becomes less powerful.

In short, women control the access to sex, and it is their greatest power.

Absolutely spot on. THIS is the primary real reason the femi-nazis like Harriet Harridan want to criminalise ALL punters here.

[Flipperty]

Very good points which I totally agree with, for the most part.
I say that because I've been with wgs who fit that category perfectly but their cold, uninterested attitude has killed the punt stone dead for me.

Yeah, I'm generalising. I think ultimately we both have the same needs, in as much as we want to be wanted, but the way we go about is different. I guess men need any sex, women need good sex!

The problem is, in our society men are demonised for being men. Some women call you a pervert if you say you like looking at tits. This time is the most challenging time for men, because we are vilified for obeying our nature. We're built to fuck. We produce one million sperm every minute. A woman produces one egg a month. Is it any wonder men spend so much time watching porn, and seeing escorts?

[Ali Katt]

Absolutely spot on. THIS is the primary real reason the femi-nazis like Harriet Harridan want to criminalise ALL punters here.

I thought it was to further her career, rather than tackling real problems like poverty, gang violence and immigration.

[Daffodil]

I think that punters fall, broadly, into two categories, with "failures" being one. The other category are those who could pull girls, but choose punting for other reasons (laziness, discretion, etc.).

We probably all know ourselves which category we fall in and there are, obviously, shades of grey in between.

[Aspen]

Secondly, most women are entitled. They get chatted up, complimented, get gifts, get dinners bought for them, get taken on holidays. Men spoil women to get sex, so women get used to this. Sex to women is a weapon. And sex is usually something that is got with difficulty. So when you can pay £150 to sleep with a gorgeous 24-year-old who will make all your fantasies come true, that weapon becomes less powerful.

In short, women control the access to sex, and it is their greatest power.

One of the things I have learned over the years is that all this is true. There are different phases though although the effect is the same. Young men pay for sex in many cases because they are in the 95% or so that fail to attract women that are interested in casual sex. Men in middle age go to prostitutes either because they want more variety, or their partner is not accommodating (or they don't have a partner). The vast majority of men past their half century have to pay for sex otherwise they go without, because the vast majority of women lose interest when they lose their fertility and they just won't do it with their partners any more. For me this was something that took me a long time to comprehend, although the evidence was there from a young age. My own mother moved into a separate room from my father, and moreover told me why when I was in my teens. Every friend I have, male and female, who I have discussed the subject with who are in relationships and over about 50 no longer has sex. I used to think that was simply a common thing due to relationships breaking down. But it really does seem to be the norm. Couples that I know who break up after tens of years almost always do so because of this issue - at least I don't know of any long term relationship breakdowns that haven't happened for this reason.

Does this make us failures? I guess it does, but it's perfectly normal. Anyone who escapes this scenario is very fortunate indeed.

[Flunt]

My mortgage is paid off, I have no debts and am single with no kids. I do work very long hours and given the hassle that most GF's can give you if you're not there to wine, dine and watch the fucking X-Factor with them, i'd far rather stay single and get laid when I want, on my terms not someone else's. I don't see how that makes me a failure in any way but if some daft bints think it does than more fool them.

I'm with you on this (minus the 6 figure salary). My time is limited and the hard work involved in finding, seducing and keeping a civvy far outweighs the reward. Far easier trawling the net to find a good looking young woman whose AW enjoys list is far more important than her enjoyment of everything else in life. In some respects I am a failure insofar as I can't pull a bird on the dance floor, take her home, fuck her brains and then never have to see her again. In recognition of that I can give some random woman a handful of notes and enjoy the same results and know the rabbit is safe.

[Thepacifist]

Sometimes a fake reality is better then a real sadness.

[squeezebox]

I think that punters fall, broadly, into two categories, with "failures" being one. The other category are those who could pull girls, but choose punting for other reasons (laziness, discretion, etc.).

We probably all know ourselves which category we fall in and there are, obviously, shades of grey in between.

Yeah, at least 50 of them....(in all 3 books) 

[Johny Stone]

The way I see it, civvy women are same as prossies. Except that  they fuck for free or for few drinks / a meal and our time.

 

[Type_O_Negative]

Some women are very two-faced and hypocrite. They can talk about WGs with anger and blame men for everything.
But it works in both ways. Some time ago i watched a TV series on BBC about married women who go on "sex holidays" without their husbands. They go to Turkey, Egypt and other very popular holiday destinations. They pick up poor local young boys and pay for everything.

In that business unit i work all women in the office are over 40 and single. And they moan, moan and moan all fucking day. And they don't understand why they lost their men...

I hope nobody here will take me wrong - i don't want to start "sex war"...

[Omega_Planet_Ocean]

Sometimes a fake reality is better then a real sadness.

So true. I got knocked back by female acquaintances for many years. The words "you're a nice man, you'll find someone" didn't take care of my needs. Paying for sex does. We all fail in many ways every day of our lives. If you don't fail, you're God, and anyone with an intelligent mind knows God is a concept, not a reality, in which case we're all fucked!

[JV547845]

It's arrogant of the mumsnet brigade to define their success/failure criteria as `would I sleep with them or not'.

[Flipperty]

It be classed as failure. Sex with an escort is only an approximation of sex, it doesn't really have the level of intimacy, or passion that comes before, that's why I'd say it's not a failure. Since everyone involved knows what the situation is, and isn't lying. If you're in a sexless, passionless marriage and have to create excuses for why you're not fucking, that's failure.

I think ultimately, men are not encouraged to be men. We're encouraged to be these soppy, gift-buying nice guys. Trouble is, this doesn't turn women on. So, we're playing a game we can't win. But we can win, if we just embrace our masculine nature.

[Aspen]

The way I see it, civvy women are same as prossies. Except that  they fuck for free or for few drinks / a meal and our time.

Fuck for free!?!! - I don't think so. There are always strings attached. Either that or they let you believe they will and then act all surprised and hurt/offended when the subject is broached.

[Aspen]

I think ultimately, men are not encouraged to be men. We're encouraged to be these soppy, gift-buying nice guys. Trouble is, this doesn't turn women on. So, we're playing a game we can't win. But we can win, if we just embrace our masculine nature.

You don't understand. They don't want to be turned on. They want the soppy gift buying etc, but not what we assume might follow. It's all about manipulation, which most of them are really good at.

Those over 40 moaners that type O- describes, are not looking for sex. They want the soppy compliant gift buyers who "respect" them. But of course guys over 40 themselves are mostly wise to that and know they are best avoided.

[Aspen]

I don't want to start "sex war"...

Not easy to "start" something that has already been under way a very long time - lol

[Johny Stone]

Fuck for free!?!! - I don't think so. There are always strings attached. Either that or they let you believe they will and then act all surprised and hurt/offended when the subject is broached.

 I ment they don't charge by the hour 

[Jeff_withpetersen]

At the risk of being contradictory to much else of what has been written in this thread (and no offence meant, I'm a punter myself) but I've never agreed with the 'it's cheaper just to punt than have a GF' philosophy. If you have a GF that is demanding constant gifts, expensive holidays etc. then maybe you need to look at the relationship and the woman?

 My GF would quite happily spend every free second with me, I'm not entirely sure why as no-one else seems to  but that works out way cheaper then £150 an hour.

 

[Flipperty]

I've spent time thinking about it from a woman's point of view, and it must be annoying when guys clearly only want you for sex, and have no interest in your personality. That and guys always say the same shit, like "you've got beautiful eyes".

Plus, knowing men are attracted to youthful, beautiful women, it must be quite stressful when a lot of women are considered past it in their mid 30s (not an idea I subscribe to). A lot women probably fear if they lose their looks, their man will leave her, so I suppose it's only natural to want to feel valued for more.

I think ultimately, a smart women will realise that she just sucks his dick regularly, and fucks him properly, he will likely never stray.

[ForrestGump]

... Plus, knowing men are attracted to youthful, beautiful women, it must be quite stressful when a lot of women are considered past it in their mid 30s (not an idea I subscribe to). A lot women probably fear if they lose their looks, their man will leave her, so I suppose it's only natural to want to feel valued for more.

And it's hardly surprising that women feel so much fud about themselves and every aspect of their lives when they're constantly bombarded by marketing/advertising that seeks to make them feel inadequate without this, that or the other xyz product/diet.

Now if I can only concoct a credible case to present to mrs fg that'll convince her a daily fuck will delay premature ageing I'll be sorted. 

[webpunter]

I think that punters fall, broadly, into two categories, with "failures" being one. The other category are those who could pull girls, but choose punting for other reasons (laziness, discretion, etc.).
We probably all know ourselves which category we fall in and there are, obviously, shades of grey in between.

+1. Have a few mates into hookering, which is regarded as a laddish pursuit.  We can't be fucked with pulling civvies.  Used to in the past but times move on [does get a bit harder & the available target 'pool' narrows] & the reasons above are spot on.  Takes up too much time for starters with no deffo result at the end.  Much better to be on a dead-cert with a quality WG.  Paying for it is part of the fun.  Know of mates of mates who are well loaded & periodically make a weekend of it / longer.  Spending bucket loads in the process & having an ace time.  I'm just a bit envious. Some of the [true] stories of the trips are just amazing.  Bollocks to the Mumsnet type brigade.  Wouldn't ever want to pull one of them for obvious reasons.  Failures ? Yeah right !

[webpunter]

And anyway in that group of women sitting there in the pub you can probably predict that at least one of their OH was out punting while they were out gassing 

Or bashing one out whilst watching some porn
Or having an un-interrupted browse on UKP combined with AW.  Updating the HL - deletions / additions & narrowing down options for the next conquest

[Captain Caveman]

The problem is that civvy women are like 1970s trade unionists who see WGs as 'scab labour'.  That is, someone who can do their job when they won't do it - and frequently do it better than them.

The average civvy hates the idea that a guy could have an hour of hot sex with a real looker (not a skanky druggie) for the price of a couple of dates with them.

But I'd rather be one of their 'failures' than one of the dopey male doormats who's constantly shelling out for the civvy bird in return for... what exactly?

[Flipperty]

The problem is that civvy women are like 1970s trade unionists who see WGs as 'scab labour'.  That is, someone who can do their job when they won't do it - and frequently do it better than them.

Great point.

Depends though. I don't might spending money on a woman if I really like her, I like taking care of women, but I don't want to feel exploited. I enjoy women's company, and I like women, so I'm not just there for sex. Escorts are, so what's the problem?

[webpunter]

It makes me wonder whether, at the end of the day, the needs of men and women are so different?

Women need to feel loved to have sex       Men need to have sex to feel loved
Loads of articles on the inter-web

[ForrestGump]

Women need to feel loved to have sex       Men need to have sex to feel loved
Loads of articles on the inter-web

I, of course, can only speak for myself. But if I punt with a girl who's cold and uninterested it simply doesn't work. I probably won't get a stiffy and definitely won't cum. My chances of success in a punt are directly proportional to the enthusiasm, interest and simulated sincerity of the wg. On that basis we'll just have to agree to differ on that one my friend. 

[Megazord]

Same reason why they hate sluts. I think all women are in some kind of trade union agreement whereby they withhold sexual benefits to raise the collective value of women. This helps them extract economic and material benefits from men in the form of money, etc. Slutty women devalues that worth by giving sex so easily to men, and the same applies for prostitutes

[webpunter]

I, of course, can only speak for myself. But if I punt with a girl who's cold and uninterested it simply doesn't work. I probably won't get a stiffy and definitely won't cum. My chances of success in a punt are directly proportional to the enthusiasm, interest and simulated sincerity of the wg. On that basis we'll just have to agree to differ on that one my friend. 

I was responding to 'needs of men & women being different' etc.  IE in relationships
Not making any reference to what happens when punting which is an entirely different set of circumstances

I am like you when it comes to punting & how the girlies are
I have had girlies who perhaps score a little lower on the looks front yet seem really into it - or at least give that impression
Non-verbal signals to tell when they say that they are close to coming then its probably true
This is a massive turn on for me.  Have had some mega GFE type shags.  Makes the punt way way better than with a frosty stunner

[LL]

I feel like a failure.  Not for my life nowadays but for the fact that I wasn't better at pulling women, whilst I had the chance in my youth.  I wasn't that bad looking and have always been physically fit, however, I've always been quite shy.  In my teen years and early twenties I spent a lot of time in bars and nightclubs - always on the lookout for women but always too scared to approach them.  My friends and I were all pretty hopeless at pulling actually.  I'd often leave a club disappointed as, yet again, some cunts would take home some hot-looking girls.  The main difference between them and me, of course was their self-confidence.

So I'm older now - in my thirties.  The 20-year-olds I still lust after are now well beyond my reach.  I'm no movie-star.  I'm not rich.  I had my chance to shag these girls - when I was younger - but I blew it.  I was a failure.  Yes, I believe that.  And now, via punting, I'm making up for lost time!