London envy

[RedKettle]

I am part way through a RB to set up some fun for a business trip to London and already have 5 decent looking bids (plus numerous terrible ones) who all look like a good shag.  Have done the usual checks etc etc.  Not all have feedback on here to be fair but there is some interesting variety - like the Japanese girl I posted about on the London panel - thanks for feedback. 

I have given up on RBs anywhere else in the country as a complete waste of time.   

I am so envious of those of you that regularly punt in London - I now have a very tasty looking London HL from the results of a couple of RBs.  However I can rarely get down there.

[Jimmyredcab]

Please don't be envious, I have tried quite a few reverse bookings, all I get is a pile of shite.     

[Goofy85]

Me too. All my RBs seem to do is attract BBWs, who are NOT my thing.

[johnnyboy61]

Yes, but if you punt within the M25, but outside of Central London, we seem to be flooded with pimped Romanians, and consequently a higher incident of Bait and Switch and girls not delivering on their likes list, than elsewhere. You almost have to be a Sherlock Holmes to spot the genuine profiles amongst Sergei's many offerings on AW, which has almost become a waste of time.

[Jimmyredcab]

Yes, but if you punt within the M25, but outside of Central London, we seem to be flooded with pimped Romanians, and consequently a higher incident of Bait and Switch and girls not delivering on their likes list, than elsewhere. You almost have to be a Sherlock Holmes to spot the genuine profiles amongst Sergei's many offerings on AW, which has almost become a waste of time.

Agree totally ----------------- however there are still guys on here who risk punting with Romanians, I just don't get it.   

[johnnyboy61]

If there was a well reviewed independent Romanian I wouldn't dismiss a visit, but sadly they seem to be almost non-existent in my area and it's safer to avoid them. Sudbury Hill is a small area between Harrow, Ealing and Wembley, but put it into the AW search engine and all you get is twenty or so pimped Romanians.

[smiths]

I am part way through a RB to set up some fun for a business trip to London and already have 5 decent looking bids (plus numerous terrible ones) who all look like a good shag.  Have done the usual checks etc etc.  Not all have feedback on here to be fair but there is some interesting variety - like the Japanese girl I posted about on the London panel - thanks for feedback. 

I have given up on RBs anywhere else in the country as a complete waste of time.   

I am so envious of those of you that regularly punt in London - I now have a very tasty looking London HL from the results of a couple of RBs.  However I can rarely get down there.

I wouldnt fancy punting anywhere else so it is fortunate i live in the London area and can locate good WGs. I continue to be amazed some London based punters on here cant locate good WGs, there are enough reviews on good ones, i would of given up punting long ago if i couldnt find any decent ones.

Sadly its certainly the case A/W has got worse this year but then using this site can negate that.

[Toshiba]

Try the NE, theres some seriously hot fanny around at the minute

[sushi]

If everyone stopped giving them money they'd have to call it a day pack up and fuck off back to Romania or resort to their 1st profession of pickpocketing.
While punters keep paying out sergei will keep sending them over to scam the stupid UK punters (cus he thinks he's a clever fucker) and laugh all the way to the Romanian bank. I'm finding it really hard to muster up any sympathy for those who've had a bad service or felt ripped off by Roma gypsies lately.
Its more a case of... What do you expect?? 
You've got £40 and you think you're off to meet the gorgeous 20 year old model in the photo? Why? Because her pimp or maid has texted you "Yes bb I do everything for you"! OWO/CIM and Anal for £40 
Wow what a bargain!! 
These scams are so well known now its beyond me why some punters are still falling for it.

[NIK]

I have repeatedly told Londoners and those who live in the home counties how fortunate they are in terms of choice, but they often deny it. If they lived anywhere else maybe they'd realise the limited choice the rest of us have.
It isn't as if I live somewhere remote such as Snowdonia, Dartmoor or the Lake District. I am within 30 to 40 minutes of three substantial cities and several fair sized towns, an area of probably over 3 million people, but I may as well live in Snowdonia for all the decent prossies there are around here.
In London there's probably more choice in Bayswater / Paddington alone!

[Sedlmayer]

If everyone stopped giving them money they'd have to call it a day pack up and fuck off back to Romania or resort to their 1st profession of pickpocketing.
While punters keep paying out sergei will keep sending them over to scam the stupid UK punters (cus he thinks he's a clever fucker) and laugh all the way to the Romanian bank. I'm finding it really hard to muster up any sympathy for those who've had a bad service or felt ripped off by Roma gypsies lately.
Its more a case of... What do you expect?? 
You've got £40 and you think you're off to meet the gorgeous 20 year old model in the photo? Why? Because her pimp or maid has texted you "Yes bb I do everything for you"! OWO/CIM and Anal for £40 
Wow what a bargain!! 
These scams are so well known now its beyond me why some punters are still falling for it.

Little head doing the thinking... doesn't realise that if it looks too good to be true.....it is
Besides, the vast majority of punters don't use this site (more fool them, obviously )

[hendrix]

Little head doing the thinking... doesn't realise that if it looks too good to be true.....it is
Besides, the vast majority of punters don't use this site (more fool them, obviously )

I remember actually having to tell a new'ish punter that "Naomi Campbell is NOT doing bareback in Kings Cross for £40 you twat...not yet anyway"

[Tjkooker]

The advantage of London punting is night and day compared to the rest of uk. In each area you are lucky if there's 2 genuine stunners who do "everything". Then you maybe have a dozen who are good looking but limited services and availability. Prices usually start at £130 and are often £150 plus.
In London you can have girls like Platinum Cindy starting at £100. Up here she would be £150-200 starting price. One look at the London board and you see positive reports by the dozen of hot girls doing the lot for £100, sometimes less! Fair enough there may be a lot more rip offs operating but with a resource like this they should be easy to avoid.

[smiths]

The advantage of London punting is night and day compared to the rest of uk. In each area you are lucky if there's 2 genuine stunners who do "everything". Then you maybe have a dozen who are good looking but limited services and availability. Prices usually start at £130 and are often £150 plus.
In London you can have girls like Platinum Cindy starting at £100. Up here she would be £150-200 starting price. One look at the London board and you see positive reports by the dozen of hot girls doing the lot for £100, sometimes less! Fair enough there may be a lot more rip offs operating but with a resource like this they should be easy to avoid.

Indeed. It depends how you punt whether you avoid the rip-off low lifes though in my experience. If you only punt WGs recommended by punters you find credible on here and/or punters you know and trust you can drastically reduce your chances of a bad punt as you can be only punting with regulars of course.

I will take a chance looking for a gem on ocassion, this pays off sometimes, other times i walk as the WG is a lying scumbag.

The thing about pimps is nothing new obviously, they have been involved in prostitution for hundreds of years, i dont see that changing anytime soon. I view EVERY WG has maybe having a pimp, and loads of WGs choose to work for pimps, including ALL that work in brothels and for Agencies, assuming they arent being forced. I personally very much doubt there are many totally Independent WGs including Brits working. And as a punter i have no way of knowing in some cases whether they do have a pimp or not as i am not privvy to a WGs personal set-up.

[smiths]

Little head doing the thinking... doesn't realise that if it looks too good to be true.....it is
Besides, the vast majority of punters don't use this site (more fool them, obviously )

Sometimes though it is true, the WG is offering a good service at a low rate, i have punted with many at £60-100 an hour like this in recent months. I have also walked from some liars as well.

It is the case some if not many punters wont know about or be interested in this site and that of course is why these low lifes continue, sometimes for a long time ripping punters off. The best that UKP can do is help those that are aware of it obviously and i hope over time more genuine punters will find the site.

[johnnyboy61]

I've also punted in Birmingham over the past 18 months or so.  Plenty of lovely EE girls there, many of whom are genuinely independent from £80/£100 p/h - ask the many satisfied punters who have seen the soon to be retired Jenny.1 (350+ AW positives). I suspect the other large cities in the UK like Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Glasgow might be similar, the problem of choice is perhaps more a large urban area versus the countryside/small town where the good EE girls don't go leaving the way clear for the older (often overweight) English girls to charge what they want. Still think that London has more than it's fair share of Romanian girls who are part of the organised crime scene, so you are far less likely to get what you think you are getting when you arrive.  If you haven't managed to spot a dodgy profile and feel uncomfortable when you arrive - just walk!

[smiths]

I've also punted in Birmingham over the past 18 months or so.  Plenty of lovely EE girls there, many of whom are genuinely independent from £80/£100 p/h - ask the many satisfied punters who have seen the soon to be retired Jenny.1 (350+ AW positives). I suspect the other large cities in the UK like Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Glasgow might be similar, the problem of choice is perhaps more a large urban area versus the countryside/small town where the good EE girls don't go leaving the way clear for the older (often overweight) English girls to charge what they want. Still think that London has more than it's fair share of Romanian girls who are part of the organised crime scene, so you are far less likely to get what you think you are getting when you arrive.  If you haven't managed to spot a dodgy profile and feel uncomfortable when you arrive - just walk!

How do you know for definite a WG is genuinely Independent? I have no idea for sure if any are or not as i dont know their personal set-up.

[Jimmyredcab]

I have repeatedly told Londoners and those who live in the home counties how fortunate they are in terms of choice, but they often deny it. If they lived anywhere else maybe they'd realise the limited choice the rest of us have.
It isn't as if I live somewhere remote such as Snowdonia, Dartmoor or the Lake District. I am within 30 to 40 minutes of three substantial cities and several fair sized towns, an area of probably over 3 million people, but I may as well live in Snowdonia for all the decent prossies there are around here.
In London there's probably more choice in Bayswater / Paddington alone!

With respect ------------------ nonsense.
When you visit London you either struggle or see the same girls you have seen in the past.
London and the suburbs is now full of Romanian shit.     

[smiths]

With respect ------------------ nonsense.
When you visit London you either struggle or see the same girls you have seen in the past.
London and the suburbs is now full of Romanian shit.     

With absolutely no respect, total bollocks as proved by the many positive reviews on the London review board.

[Jimmyredcab]

The truth is that some punters on here would fuck anything with a pulse --------------- or maybe without a pulse if the price was right.

I am no longer willing to give my hard earned money to scumbags, hopefully 2015 will produce a gem but if not my money will once again be spent on holidays.     

[smiths]

The truth is that some punters on here would fuck anything with a pulse --------------- or maybe without a pulse if the price was right.

I am no longer willing to give my hard earned money to scumbags, hopefully 2015 will produce a gem but if not my money will once again be spent on holidays.     

The truth is there are good WGs in London as the reviews prove. The fact you will only punt with WGs who charge a minimum of £100 an hour and a maximum of £150 an hour thereby limiting your choice is up to you. Even then there are still good WGs about.

[che_666999]

The grass is always greener....

As a SE/London punter I have often looked at other regions (like Manchester and the midlands) and they look like places that give you more VFM. But when you really start researching you often find it's had the same range and issues as London.

In short, I think most regions have the same range, of course due to it size london has more volume but it also attracts above then average scans and pimped girls.

[Jimmyredcab]

In short, I think most regions have the same range, of course due to it size london has more volume but it also attracts above then average scans and pimped girls.

Sergei and his scumbag mates will always be attracted to London, that is where the real money is.   

Of course this forum helps, but after a couple of bad reviews they simply get a new profile and a new location, the only safe option is to avoid them ALL.   

[Curious6705]

I am part way through a RB to set up some fun for a business trip to London and already have 5 decent looking bids (plus numerous terrible ones) who all look like a good shag.  Have done the usual checks etc etc.  Not all have feedback on here to be fair but there is some interesting variety - like the Japanese girl I posted about on the London panel - thanks for feedback. 

I have given up on RBs anywhere else in the country as a complete waste of time.   

I am so envious of those of you that regularly punt in London - I now have a very tasty looking London HL from the results of a couple of RBs.  However I can rarely get down there.

I agree - if I could arrange it I'd punt in Central London every week.

[RedKettle]

The grass is always greener....

As a SE/London punter I have often looked at other regions (like Manchester and the midlands) and they look like places that give you more VFM. But when you really start researching you often find it's had the same range and issues as London.

In short, I think most regions have the same range, of course due to it size london has more volume but it also attracts above then average scans and pimped girls.

Yes I suspect there is truth in what you say - and large cities like Manchester and Leeds probably have a good range of girls, I have had good experiences up there.  But somewhere like Sheffield is hopeless and even in Nottingham and Derby you are only going to get a few decent girls giving a good VFM service.

London prices seem higher but they come down using a RB to what you expect to pay in the Midlands.

As for scams and the like every time I open my Leicester saved search I have at least 6 new profiles with alerts on them - and that will be after 48 hours!!!

[threechilliman]

I'm only envious of not visiting London when I see peoples 'Top 5's' and the same names keep appearing. However as I commute around Manchester every day, I ain't too badly served. It'll take me all of 2015 and beyond to get through all the one's I'd like to see.

Happy punting....

tcm

[fredpunter]

I'm in south west London and I envy those in north London!

[NIK]

Yes I suspect there is truth in what you say - and large cities like Manchester and Leeds probably have a good range of girls, I have had good experiences up there.  But somewhere like Sheffield is hopeless and even in Nottingham and Derby you are only going to get a few decent girls giving a good VFM service.

London prices seem higher but they come down using a RB to what you expect to pay in the Midlands.

As for scams and the like every time I open my Leicester saved search I have at least 6 new profiles with alerts on them - and that will be after 48 hours!!!

Unfortunately the cities nearest to me are the latter three.
For its size Sheffield must be one of the worst cities in the country for decent prossies (despite what the Sheffield scenesters used to claim - 'punting capital of Europe' ffs!  )  - maybe only Liverpool is worse. Derby, obviously much smaller than Sheffield is even worse. Of the three Nottingham is the best but still doesn't compete with Manchester, Leeds or even Newcastle, whilst Milton Keynes is probably better than the lot of them.

Regarding Jim's response to my post as total nonsense, I can actually see where he's coming from. There have been occasions when I've struggled to find someone even in London latterly. However this is only because I have become more choosy. Once upon a time I'd simply phone an agency, make a booking and that was that. It's still of course extremely easy to do that, but I've become more wary over the past 7/8 years.
The other thing is of course I'm referring mainly to Central London north of the river. I can understand that people living in the suburbs like Jim, don't have the choice there is in Central London.
Having said that it's a damn site nearer for Jim than it is for me! 

[RedKettle]

NIK I cannot understand why Sheffield is so poor given its size - comes to something when a girl only offering BJs (Sheffield BJ Queen) becomes a highlight!!

Sometime ago I gambled £2 on a Sheffield RB with a reasonably generous fee and the results were truly horrific!!! 

[NIK]

NIK I cannot understand why Sheffield is so poor given its size - comes to something when a girl only offering BJs (Sheffield BJ Queen) becomes a highlight!!

Sometime ago I gambled £2 on a Sheffield RB with a reasonably generous fee and the results were truly horrific!!! 

I read many years ago, around the time that paid sex started being advertised on the internet around the late nineties, that it's to do with the relative affluence of an area. Money obviously attracts prossies, as do other prossies. An area gets known as the place to make a living and it will attract others.  See Milton Keynes for a great example.
Sheffield, despite it's claims of the affluence of the western side of the city, isn't generally as affluent as Leeds or Manchester. This means that whilst it will attract parlour girls it won't attract the indie escorts, at least not in significant numbers. Similarly Merseyside is even worse. It's not that there aren't any prossies in Sheffield, there are actually plenty, just little quality or variety.

I once submitted this theory, which is perfectly valid and obvious, on Sheffield Scene and they naturally went mad and shot me down in flames for disparaging their city which they reckoned was a punting haven. The fact remains that I was right and I am still here, whereas these jokers who didn't used to punt anyway, were wrong, and have thankfully disappeared up their own arses. 

[RedKettle]

You are probably right.

However if a really good girl started in Sheffield I suspect she would make a great living as supply and demand comes into it - whilst the affluent demand might not be so high the supply is currently so piss poor she would clean up!!!

[charming_red]

London has plenty of variety which one should be grateful for. However with variety comes increased risks and some parts are a minefield which is why you have to do a lot of research with back up plans before selecting your girls.

[Jimmyredcab]

Regarding Jim's response to my post as total nonsense, I can actually see where he's coming from. There have been occasions when I've struggled to find someone even in London latterly. However this is only because I have become more choosy. Once upon a time I'd simply phone an agency, make a booking and that was that. It's still of course extremely easy to do that, but I've become more wary over the past 7/8 years.
The other thing is of course I'm referring mainly to Central London north of the river. I can understand that people living in the suburbs like Jim, don't have the choice there is in Central London.

NIK, I don't live deep in the country, I am willing to travel anywhere within London, I can get from my house to Earls Court in around an hour, you may remember I travelled to Sheffield to see a very special lady.
You are right to be more choosy, we have both made too many mistakes over the years, I am no longer prepared to throw money at lowlife Trollops, I will leave that to others.

[RedKettle]

I am struggling to understand "Sheffield" positioned with "a very special lady" !

[Sedlmayer]

Sometimes though it is true, the WG is offering a good service at a low rate, i have punted with many at £60-100 an hour like this in recent months. I have also walked from some liars as well.

It is the case some if not many punters wont know about or be interested in this site and that of course is why these low lifes continue, sometimes for a long time ripping punters off. The best that UKP can do is help those that are aware of it obviously and i hope over time more genuine punters will find the site.

I quite agree with this point - I didn't mean to suggest that there are no good girls out there at reasonable rates. My best punt recently was £90 for a very enjoyable hour.

[akauya]

I'm in south west London and I envy those in north London!

I'm in sarf east London and I envy those in north London! 

[Sedlmayer]

I'm in sarf east London and I envy those in north London! 

Ditto on both counts 

[helmsdale]

I think people are overdoing this pimp thing. Take a look at your payslip, we are all being pimped by Her Majesty's Government in return for its very dubious protection. The real question should be what is a reasonable cut of the fee for the services provided by the pimp. Department stores take 30% from companies that have in-store concessions, so that would be guideline fair % fee.

[johnnyboy61]

Just done a AW search based on Harrow in NW London - near me and quite a centre outside Central London for WGs.  Have used the search engine to rank by Escort Ratings.  Out of 144 profiles only 10 seem to have 10 or more legitimate positives (not including positives for Sales, Webcamming etc.); 110 have zero ratings! That's only 7% with 10 or more positives.  A search based on the apparent punting wasteland of Sheffield brings up 254 profiles, 53 of which have more than 10 legitimate positive Escort Ratings which is 21%, three times the rate.  I know that AW FB is very unreliable but zero feedbacks are much more likely to be scams, B&S, or girls here for a short time not offering the advertised services (Sergei can't even be bothered to make up at least one positive rating for his girls in Harrow) but perhaps this thread proves it is just human nature to regard that "the grass is greener on the other side"....?

[StevenS]

The truth is that some punters on here would fuck anything with a pulse --------------- or maybe without a pulse if the price was right.

I am no longer willing to give my hard earned money to scumbags, hopefully 2015 will produce a gem but if not my money will once again be spent on holidays.     

Sadie is back. Part time now but back - you'll know her as Lisa from LR 

[Jimmyredcab]

Sadie is back. Part time now but back - you'll know her as Lisa from LR 

Yet another one comes out of retirement.     

[Sedlmayer]

Sadie is back. Part time now but back - you'll know her as Lisa from LR 

A link please?

[smiths]

A link please?

External Link/Members Only £200 an hour.

[Jimmyredcab]

A link please?

If you mean a link to "sadie" --------------------

 External Link/Members Only

[Sedlmayer]

If you mean a link to "sadie" --------------------

 External Link/Members Only

I just mean a link please, because comments like that, without a link are just a waste of everyone's time.
We put links up on here, that's how we roll - this is not PN.
So thanks for the link JRC. However - £160/hr, fake tits and no face pictures? Not for me thanks.

[Jimmyredcab]

I just mean a link please.

You didn't make it clear if you wanted a link to Sadie or The London Retreat.     

She is no teenybopper but highly experienced, been on the scene for many years, totally unshockable.

[Jimmyredcab]

So thanks for the link JRC. However - £160/hr, fake tits and no face pictures? Not for me thanks.

£160 an hour is not ridiculous for Central London, when she worked at London Retreat her rate was £200 an hour, I saw her without face pictures because I trust London Retreat, they don't employ ugly cows.     

[smiths]

£160 an hour is not ridiculous for Central London, when she worked at London Retreat her rate was £200 an hour, I saw her without face pictures because I trust London Retreat, they don't employ ugly cows.     

You trust LR but not who you call your brothers on here who you castigate for punting with WGs who dont show their faces for the same reason LR give as to why theirs dont. You couldnt make it up.

[Sedlmayer]

You didn't make it clear if you wanted a link to Sadie or The London Retreat.     

She is no teenybopper but highly experienced, been on the scene for many years, totally unshockable.

No need to bash your head mate - I thanked you for providing a link.
I was reminding the guy who brought up the subject of Sadie (not really sure why) that links are very helpful.
There was never actually any need for you to comment, but as I said, I thanked you for supplying the link.
Make yourself a nice cup of tea.

[akauya]

£160 an hour is not ridiculous for Central London, when she worked at London Retreat her rate was £200 an hour, I saw her without face pictures because I trust London Retreat, they don't employ ugly cows.     

You trust LR but not who you call your brothers on here who you castigate for punting with WGs who dont show their faces for the same reason LR give as to why theirs dont. You couldnt make it up.

As usual redcab doesn't know whether he's coming or going