The Ten Minute Rule

[Matium]

Nearly all WGs like to spend the first 10 minutes talking so that they can get to know the punter and feel relaxed.

For goodness sakes, use that 10 minutes to go through with her all the services you require and note her responses. If she replies enthusiastically and affirmatively and her body language is good, you know you'll get what you asked for. If she "umms" and "errs" or looks her away to avoid eye contact or her body language is stiff then you know it'll be a bad 'un.

If it is the latter case, do not give her any of your hard earned cash, say "no" and leave or if you can't say "no" to a woman, say "I've left my wallet in the car" and leave. Every, and I mean this, every WG in the country knows that if she hears the "Wallet in the car" excuse, it means that the punter is not coming back so never, ever feel guilty about leaving a girl in that way.

Of course, if you give the girl the money straightaway or before you've satisfied yourself that you'll get the services you've asked for then the only word apt enough to describe you is: "Plonker!".

If you think with your dick then you have no one to blame except yourself.

I honestly have no sympathy for such men.

[kiwi69]

Nearly all WGs like to spend the first 10 minutes talking so that they can get to know the punter and feel relaxed.

For goodness sakes, every WG .............................. to describe you is: "Plonker!".

If you think with your dick then you have no one to blame except yourself.

I honestly have no sympathy for such men.

Nice one  ! If there were a " 10 Golden Rules of Mongering  " that should rate the 1 spot ............ 

[RedAlertTourist]

Nearly all WGs like to spend the first 10 minutes talking so that they can get to know the punter and feel relaxed.

For goodness sakes, use that 10 minutes to go through with her all the services you require and note her responses. If she replies enthusiastically and affirmatively and her body language is good, you know you'll get what you asked for. If she "umms" and "errs" or looks her away to avoid eye contact or her body language is stiff then you know it'll be a bad 'un.

If it is the latter case, do not give her any of your hard earned cash, say "no" and leave or if you can't say "no" to a woman, say "I've left my wallet in the car" and leave. Every, and I mean this, every WG in the country knows that if she hears the "Wallet in the car" excuse, it means that the punter is not coming back so never, ever feel guilty about leaving a girl in that way.

Of course, if you give the girl the money straightaway or before you've satisfied yourself that you'll get the services you've asked for then the only word apt enough to describe you is: "Plonker!".

If you think with your dick then you have no one to blame except yourself.

I honestly have no sympathy for such men.

What Matium is referring to is Adultwork Escorts taking your money first and then NOT providing services they have listed on their likes list.

One question for you Matium.

What if, using your "fool proof" system, would you suggest if a girl states that yes she does CIM, O.W.O before you do the "paperwork" at the meeting. She returns to the bedroom but then says I only do "CIM at discretion" when you ask for it when you're stark naked?

Are you going to go into the closed bedroom by the front door whereby the "PIMP/boyfriend/Manager" hides and beat him up and demand your £100-£200 fee back? 

Hmmm didn't think so either 

[Matium]

Actually, I never, ever get to that stage.



Slightly more sophisticated punters know you must always ask for a costume or perfume or both, if she's not wearing what you've asked for, you don't even enter her place. You turn around and walk away.

I have left girls on the doorstep.

[Fannytastico]

I don't have any costumes, I imagine that's the same for at least some other girls! Also I'm allergic to perfume.  However we would have discussed this prior to meeting, so no doubt would have come up with an alternative solution. 

[Lady Poppy]

I learn so much from this place.  I have never waited 10 mins to start an appointment, unless it is longer of 2 hours plus and those gents do generally want to take the pace a little slower and have a glass of wine or a cuppa first.  My usual method is to go straight for the ice breaker hug and a kiss, after I have offered a drink or a shower.  Having said that, until recently I used to go straight up to the bedroom, so as to avoid taking people into the areas of my home where my son lives.  I guess I just felt that the less of the (real me and him) that I showed the better.  Whereas now I have an apartment, once I have the curtains up in the lounge, I can use that too.

Would you advise me to start using this 10 minute rule, or should I just continue the way I am?

[Matium]

That depends on you, Poppy.

Most girls can size up a client in the first minute, if he looks like a "Wham, Bang, Thank you, Ma'am" kind of man then take him straight to bed. However, if he looks sophisticated, a man who would first enjoy talking, having a laugh and a glass of wine then do that first.

[Lady Poppy]

That depends on you, Poppy.

Most girls can size up a client in the first minute, if he looks like a "Wham, Bang, Thank you, Ma'am" kind of man then take him straight to bed. However, if he looks sophisticated, a man who would first enjoy talking, having a laugh and a glass of wine then do that first.

Matium, my clientele are usually the more sophisticated type.  Most make reference to my qualifications and blogs, but I still start with a hug and a kiss.  We usually talk intermittently during the booking.  The chap that I saw yesterday had asked me to massage him with olive oil (he also massaged me, which was a delight!), he said he had read my blogs and also commented that a sense of humour was also very important.  He came to me beautifully dressed and had a very sexy upper class voice.  Apparently he was new to using Escorts and had narrowed it down to 3 ladies and chose me because I had the most information, showing my personality.

I very rarely (if at all) entertain wham bang types.  Even this month when I have offered half hour meets as an option at my apartment, I have only had one so far, with the second being this morning.  So I don't think you can presume, that not 'chatting' first means you can't talk during the rest of the time.  Obviously there are moments of intensity where talking would be inappropriate, but you can't go at it constantly for an hour and those little windows of opportunity present themselves rather naturally.

[Lurtz]

Matium's 10 minute rule is good practice, but I've still been caught out twice where the girl nodded her head in answer to my enquiries, took the cash, left the room, and when she returned she denied the services (this was not due to my hygiene). The only saving grace was they both disappeared within a fortnight. Sometimes I wish I had the balls to climb off the bed and start getting dressed to see if she panics. However, since I'm there, I usually just make the most of it and when I leave I inform her boss of her sharp practice. Sometimes the girls are reformed and go on to be good lasses, I'm told.

[ladyofthemansion]

Some girls will deduct that ten min from the service so if thats offered you should clarify that your time will start on the bed.

I think the time should start in the bedroom, though I remember a guy who just overdid it for me. He insisted on talking for about half an hour. Then put a stopwatch on his bedside table lol. He was so worried about not getting his full hour. He then tried to insist I wait for a cab that had a 45 minute wait even although I said I was happy to walk to the station.

[smiths]

Matium's 10 minute rule is good practice, but I've still been caught out twice where the girl nodded her head in answer to my enquiries, took the cash, left the room, and when she returned she denied the services (this was not due to my hygiene). The only saving grace was they both disappeared within a fortnight. Sometimes I wish I had the balls to climb off the bed and start getting dressed to see if she panics. However, since I'm there, I usually just make the most of it and when I leave I inform her boss of her sharp practice. Sometimes the girls are reformed and go on to be good lasses, I'm told.

This change from offering the services before i handed my money over to she cant actually offer them after i have handed my money over i has happened to me a number of times. Gum problems is the most popular excuse which she didnt have a few minutes earlier. I just leave if this shit happens, i dont want to punt with such an individual. I am not convinced a bad WG like this can change, its all about attitude and the bad ones have a bad attitute, ripping punters off is their way, they wouldnt be able to offer good service if they tried as they havent got what it takes.

[smiths]

What Matium is referring to is Adultwork Escorts taking your money first and then NOT providing services they have listed on their likes list.

One question for you Matium.

What if, using your "fool proof" system, would you suggest if a girl states that yes she does CIM, O.W.O before you do the "paperwork" at the meeting. She returns to the bedroom but then says I only do "CIM at discretion" when you ask for it when you're stark naked?

Are you going to go into the closed bedroom by the front door whereby the "PIMP/boyfriend/Manager" hides and beat him up and demand your £100-£200 fee back? 

Hmmm didn't think so either 

In punting the nearest to foolproof is punting with a regular, punting with any newbie to you involves the risk of what you describe. When it happens i walk as i am not prepared to get into a physical tussle with a woman to get my cash back, i ask though and its usually i can offer xyz to you still, the point is my vibe has gone by this time and i have no wish to stay let alone punt with her.

[Wife4rent]

In punting the nearest to foolproof is punting with a regular

Where's the fun in that? You may as well get married.

I have a similar dilemma, when I go to my favourite restaurant do I choose my favourite dish or something else? Lasagne is always a difficult choice, if served correctly it is heaven but so many places just seem to nuke it in a microwave, it comes out bubbling, too hot to eat and goes cold quickly

[James999]

Matium, my clientele are usually the more sophisticated type.  Most make reference to my qualifications and blogs, .

If you were half as clever as you think you are (or keep telling everyone) you wouldn't need to constantly tout the fact. You talk the talk but the reality is you are probably the most insecure girl on here trying to mask your insecurity with your constant self pontification.

No wonder they pissed you off %%%.

[smiths]

Where's the fun in that? You may as well get married.

I have a similar dilemma, when I go to my favourite restaurant do I choose my favourite dish or something else? Lasagne is always a difficult choice, if served correctly it is heaven but so many places just seem to nuke it in a microwave, it comes out bubbling, too hot to eat and goes cold quickly

The fun can be that the WG gets to know exactly what you like sexually and how you like it so enhancing the punt for you. Personally the ideal situation for me is a mix of a regular or two and the variety of newbies to me.

[Simple]

Even if I've already confirmed details such as offered services, booking duration and etc, on the phone before leaving I always re-confirm in person within the first few moments and definately before handing over hard earned cash incase in the time it took to reach a convenient mishap has occured in the prossie's favour. Although obviously it isn't foolproof as the prossie can simply return and change the terms of the punt safely in the knowledge she has already stashed the cash away leaving you with little to no recourse...

[Lady Poppy]

If you were half as clever as you think you are (or keep telling everyone) you wouldn't need to constantly tout the fact. You talk the talk but the reality is you are probably the most insecure girl on here trying to mask your insecurity with your constant self pontification.

No wonder they pissed you off %%%.

*blows a raspberry*  I don't come on here to tout, just rub you up the wrong way! 

Why would I be insecure?  Oh no, I've only had 2 FRs written about me this week, the world must be crashing down on me!

Seriously, it's nothing to do with touting, or insecurity.  I don't think I'm particularly clever either.  I've had to work hard in education, as in everything else that I have ever done.  Most of the time I'm just trying to prove a point, which is that not all wgs are what you profess them to be.

[Wife4rent]

Due to certain personal reason to do with the client, I have, but rarely, refused to provide a service and not offered a refund. this is usually to do with the client putting spray or cream of some sort on his cock and expecting oral without.

If they do not wish to see me again, I have no problem with that. I do not think I have any reviews on the web about me, apart from my own site which are biased as I would not allow a bad one.

[softlad]

this is usually to do with the client putting spray or cream of some sort on his cock and expecting oral without.

So fly spray's a no no ? 

[Wife4rent]

So fly spray's a no no ? 

Not if I can watch you do it...

[smiths]

Even if I've already confirmed details such as offered services, booking duration and etc, on the phone before leaving I always re-confirm in person within the first few moments and definately before handing over hard earned cash incase in the time it took to reach a convenient mishap has occured in the prossie's favour. Although obviously it isn't foolproof as the prossie can simply return and change the terms of the punt safely in the knowledge she has already stashed the cash away leaving you with little to no recourse...

I do exactly the same. The point is we have then done all we can do in my opinion to ensure its crystal clear what we require, if she then comes back from stashing the cash with excuses, its sadly our bad luck to have met such a liar.

[James999]

stashed the cash away

Stashing the cash away is a parlour mentality, I would say that a high percentage girls  put the money on the side or table and it is visible when I leave.

Some girls do scurry off with the cash though, probably to pay the pimp / dealer

[ladyofthemansion]

lf l was the bloke and the girl had stashed the cash then came back and said she wasn't offering the services promised l would be insisting on my money back and would shout if necessary. lf l go in McDonalds and ask for 9 nuggets and only get 6 l aint leaving till l've got what l paid for.

[Simple]

Stashing the cash away is a parlour mentality, I would say that a high percentage girls  put the money on the side or table and it is visible when I leave.

Some girls do scurry off with the cash though, probably to pay the pimp / dealer

Every single Indie prossie I've seen so far has scurried away to stash the cash in some nook or cranny, but in the defense of all the prossies I've seen I am a dodgy looking customer and not to be trusted....

[smiths]

Stashing the cash away is a parlour mentality, I would say that a high percentage girls  put the money on the side or table and it is visible when I leave.

Some girls do scurry off with the cash though, probably to pay the pimp / dealer

I would say about 40% stash it, mainly EEs in my experience.

[James999]

I would say about 40% stash it, mainly EEs in my experience.

I'd go along wiht that stat, the EE's do tend to have a very planned script they seem to follow, but some do have wicked bodies and are very enthusiatic about sex, and  that's what it's all about  And at least ytou don't get the bullshit they have made up about how they are studying to be a doctor or run ICI or some other crap 

[smiths]

lf l was the bloke and the girl had stashed the cash then came back and said she wasn't offering the services promised l would be insisting on my money back and would shout if necessary. lf l go in McDonalds and ask for 9 nuggets and only get 6 l aint leaving till l've got what l paid for.

Ultimately this comes down to whether you are prepared to argue and get heavy in order to get your money back. I am not prepared to get heavy personally, i chalk it down to experience after asking for it back and being told to fuck off or she can offer xyz which i wouldnt want as she has spoiled my vibe. Its very rare in my experience to get a refund, especially from an Indie. In reality most punters arent going to cal the police if this happens and even if they did i dont think they would be too sympathetic so trying to embarrass her into refunding you is one possible method but again i cant imagine many guys will do this, of course it only takes one pissed off punter to lose his rag, and this is the risk these kind of WGs/rip-off merchants/scammers are taking.

In Mcdonalds you have a legal recourse and they have a formal complaints procedure, in punting there is fuck all apart from naming and shaming those that offer bad service.

[Simple]

lf l was the bloke and the girl had stashed the cash then came back and said she wasn't offering the services promised l would be insisting on my money back and would shout if necessary. lf l go in McDonalds and ask for 9 nuggets and only get 6 l aint leaving till l've got what l paid for.

IMO in that aforementioned scenerio where the prossie has already got her mitts on the money and hidden it somewhere the punter is left with little recourse, insist for your money back and appeal to their sense of decency IMO outcome less than favourable to say the least, call the police which I doubt many would considering the circumstances, accept the loss and count it as experience to learn from or intimadation which can be rather foolish especially if she has "security" in the form of a burly gentleman that can fold your clothes while you're still wearing them...

[James999]

in punting there is fuck all apart from naming and shaming those that offer bad service.

If you are ripped by a Prozzie the best recourse is hit them where it hurts (The Purse), Fake outcall bookings is by far the most effective, they waste their time & petrol / travel expenses and miss other bookings.

Google maps is a good tool in creating a plausable booking as you can describe in detail the property you are sending them to, and of course with Free Sim cards so easily available after the girl has had her time wasted you can simply bin the Sim, and she can report the timewaster on whatever forums she wants as the number is gone.

Of course genuine girls who don't rip clients off should have no problem with the above as it shouldn't happen to them, my view is Scam the Scammers 

[Albert]

If you are ripped by a Prozzie the best recourse is hit them where it hurts (The Purse), Fake outcall bookings is by far the most effective, they waste their time & petrol / travel expenses and miss other bookings.

When do two wrongs make a right!.

I think the best thing to do is to tell a forum what went on, and hope the escort sees it and realises how it can hurt them very long term via potential bookings.

We have a section for bad providers, and this recourse has been used to warn others of what to expect from a few escorts, simply sending an escort on a run chase and then laugh about it, was the solution of Chloe Kisses, who admitted she laughed at some guy trying to see her at a hotel she had no intention of going to, and she got rightly dissed for that.

Make of that what you will.

[Wife4rent]

Every single Indie prossie I've seen so far has scurried away to stash the cash in some nook or cranny

An experience I think I have recounted before was how stupid I was when I first started working. I used t put the money in the bedside drawer and a guy took advantage of the situation by pushing me onto the bed and legging it with his cash. It left me shaken and I had to have my pimp sit with me for about a week after till I recovered from the shock.

The worst part was he was a regular...

Lesson learnt !

[Simple]

An experience I think I have recounted before was how stupid I was when I first started working. I used t put the money in the bedside drawer and a guy took advantage of the situation by pushing me onto the bed and legging it with his cash. It left me shaken and I had to have my pimp sit with me for about a week after till I recovered from the shock.

The worst part was he was a regular...

Lesson learnt !

It is rather understandable the squirrelling away of the cash considering the inherent risks and vulnerabilities of whoring oneself as punters are basically perfect strangers that enter your humble abode generally using fake and untracable names...

[Fannytastico]

Yes, but if you can't trust them to some extent, why would you want to suck their cock?

[James999]

Yes, but if you can't trust them to some extent, why would you want to suck their cock?

Because that's the only way you can earn money and it pays better than working at Tesco checkouts 

[Fannytastico]

Because that's the only way you can earn money and it pays better than working at Tesco checkouts

But you have to trust them to some extent, ie. that they are not disease ridden or in the down period for genital warts treatment.  If you don't think you can trust them that much, then I think money is a lesser priority!

[James999]

So would you "Trust" a client who you knew had seen a prozzie who does bareback?

[Fannytastico]

So would you "Trust" a client who you knew had seen a prozzie who does bareback?

No, I wouldn't see them if I knew.

[ladyofthemansion]

If you are ripped by a Prozzie the best recourse is hit them where it hurts (The Purse), Fake outcall bookings is by far the most effective, they waste their time & petrol / travel expenses and miss other bookings.

Google maps is a good tool in creating a plausable booking as you can describe in detail the property you are sending them to, and of course with Free Sim cards so easily available after the girl has had her time wasted you can simply bin the Sim, and she can report the timewaster on whatever forums she wants as the number is gone.

Of course genuine girls who don't rip clients off should have no problem with the above as it shouldn't happen to them, my view is Scam the Scammers 

Any girl who goes to an outcall when the guy is using just a mobile is just a fool. I never go unless l get the landline number and name of bill payer.

[Lady Poppy]

With regards to trust, I think there are different levels in any relationship that you form.  You are having intimacy with someone you know very little about.  You may be able to assess that they are not likely to hurt you, but you should retain an element of doubt, or you are leaving yourself wide open.  This is why the buddy system exists.  You may trust a close friend more than you would an acquaintance, ie, tell the long term close friend your deepest dark secrets, but not the acquaintance.

We are going through tough times and where a guy might need and want sex, he might not be able to really afford to feed his habit, so given an opportunity to take more than he gave, it might just be enough for him to take an impulse move and go with it.  You don't know them well enough to know how badly they might need that money, so why tempt them with it? 

I take small risks I would say, sometimes I leave the money out, sometimes I might pop it in a drawer in the same room and sometimes (if a regular) I may get the money after the booking.  I regularly bank my earnings and any money that is accumulated is put in a safe.  It's not because I don't trust them, it's because I don't know them.  I don't know their real name, I don't know where they live and I have no way of putting it right if they did steal from me other than getting the number black listed, which is easily thrown away and replaced.

I guess it's just a matter of covering your back and taking away temptation.

[softlad]

Any girl who goes to an outcall when the guy is using just a mobile is just a fool. I never go unless l get the landline number and name of bill payer.

 
Or you could say, I'd never trust a prossie with my landline or real name.
At some point someone has to take a leap of faith and place trust..... If they want a shag/to earn money....

[James999]

I never go unless l get the landline number and name of bill payer.

A lot of the paranoid older women are like that, it's the shock of actually being asked on an outcall immediately arouses their suspicions, but for the majority of busy younger girls they would just take it in their stride.

but as I said earlier unless you ripped a client off you should not have concerns.

[James999]

 
Or you could say, I'd never trust a prossie with my landline or real name.

There is no need to pass a prozzie your landline number, if the girl is that paranoiid she's probably as dry as a nuns cunt and not worth bothering about, just contact a sensible prozzie who is used to outcalls.

At one point a few years ago I had numerous outcalls and just mobile number not once caused a problem.

[ladyofthemansion]

A lot of the paranoid older women are like that, it's the shock of actually being asked on an outcall immediately arouses their suspicions, but for the majority of busy younger girls they would just take it in their stride.

but as I said earlier unless you ripped a client off you should not have concerns.

Am thinking more of personal safety.

[ladyofthemansion]

 
Or you could say, I'd never trust a prossie with my landline or real name.
At some point someone has to take a leap of faith and place trust..... If they want a shag/to earn money....

Me personally, if l was the guy, l wouldn't want a prozzie having my home address full stop.

[smiths]

 
Or you could say, I'd never trust a prossie with my landline or real name.
At some point someone has to take a leap of faith and place trust..... If they want a shag/to earn money....

I wouldnt, its not relevant to my punting. Its an anoynmous pastime unless i choose to tell someone, in the reality outside punting forums most WGs dont ask for real names or other personal information. If they did i would be very suspicious of their motives. I can see it from a WGs perspective to make her feel safer, but its not something i would do.

[softlad]

I can see it from a WGs perspective to make her feel safer, but its not something i would do.

Got to admit neither would I.....

[Wife4rent]

It is a job to know where to start to comment on all the posts and put some perspective on it

It is rather understandable the squirrelling away of the cash considering the inherent risks and vulnerabilities of whoring oneself

In response to my post this is true, however, the fact that I was stupid enough to leave the cash accessible made it easy for an opportunist to take advantage of the situation. I refrain from using opportunist thief but that it would be considered as that. As said lesson learnt and I advise nobody else to try and do the same thing.

Yes, but if you can't trust them to some extent, why would you want to suck their cock?

It is not about trust but making sure you are not made vulnerable

With regards to trust, I think there are different levels in any relationship that you form.

A well put response and yes different levels of trust but as Lady P puts it, desperation can make people do funny things. Also, it was a chance for him to kick his habit, at least with me. It was more the loss of a regular than the money. I only left the clients money in the room and moved it after

Or you could say, I'd never trust a prossie with my landline or real name.

I have said before, I do not understand why married men take the risk of having an in call, but they do and they will. If you are single you have little to lose.

A lot of the paranoid older women are like that

I am an older woman and no I am not paranoid but yes I still do ask details, depending on how far I have to travel. This actually does not stop the time wasters from having a wank pre arrival so not opening the door. But it does confirm, mostly, that the client is in the house that you are visiting - this was the way all out calls worked Pre internet. It was not a safety issue, I always had a pimp to look after me, just a way of cutting down on time wasters.

However, when I turn down an out call that is being requested, I simply move on with my day. It is usually the client who then keeps calling back to try and arrange something, not me trying to get to him.

I spent 2+ years working out calls doing 12+ hour shifts in the late 80's with a mobile phone that cost £1,500 and the joke is that the prices have not gone up to what I charged then. So what a bargain you guys are getting, compared to 20 years ago, yet you still moan about the cost

I have done out calls to clients without a verification, but it is rare and usually not far from me, so no great loss if it is a no go.

So from an "Old Prozzie" that's my Farthing worth....

[EL1M1N8OR]

Good points made in this discussion.

Personally I hand over the cash sooner rather than later.  Don't really take the time to qualify the WG upon arrival, that is done when I do my research.

I'm not really into sticking my gentleman into a stink hole so A is off the list. Bareack listed on a profile is a big no no for me. Paying for a potential blood bourne viruse?  No chance! 

OWO  can vary, I have had better with than without from WGs so it all depends.

CIM is not something performed often in my region yet it is something I am becoming more turned on with.

My approach is TOFTT and if it pays off go back.  If not, their loss. 

Some men, I can imagine, like myself would not want to agree a senario, hand over the coin only to be denied the service, causing a big fuss and end up with nothing but an empty pocket.  Where as getting a load of your mind, which is the end goal, only never to return might seem a safer appraoch.

It is a kind of try before you buy situation. 

There does need to be a balance by both parties.  A good WG needs and will understand this aswell.

The main thing is qualifying WGs before handing over the cash is good practise in general for qualifying women in the real world.

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