Cost of living crisis pushing more women into sex work

[lillythesavage]

Just to confirm my previous statement. A large college, who was fixed in utilities for around £450k per annum, is now having to find over £3 million!!! Let that sink in.
What do they do? treble the pupil fees? fees that people won't be able to afford anyway

Pubs are in the same boat, they need 24 hour power to run, and 12/14 hours for customers, many will just close the doors eventually without something being done.

Businesses are not capped,  they are probably getting charged the shortfall on domestic accounts, £3 million is not sustainable for long, neither is 7-10k a month for a pub.

[MysteryManNo.7]

The idea of women being forced by poverty into prostitution is a dramatic narrative going back to Dickensian times, and beyond. We, of course, are the villains of the piece; the wicked monsters slaking our depraved lust by exploiting these wretched, unfortunate innocents.

It's all bollocks, of course. Off the top of my head I can recall:

The girl buying a string of buy-to-let properties to allow her to retire at 40.
The girl having a villa built on Majorca.
The part time legal assistant who envied the visible wealth of the qualified solicitors she worked alongside, and worked one day a week in a parlour to bridge the gap.
The part time florist whose earnings from one day a fortnight paid for her soft-top Merc, and her passion for jewellery.

Most of us will have similar anecdotal stories, I'm sure. Poverty my arse. I don't want to sound too cynical, but if 'women are being driven into sex work', some are being driven a damned sight more easily than others.

As others will be quick to point out this won't apply to all WGs but I do agree that the line spun by the MSM of greasy, disgusting, immoral old men taking advantage of poor, vulnerable young women forced to sell sex to feed themselves is, for the most part, a massive crock of shit.

Personally from getting friendly with some, dating some briefly and just general research I would say the majority of WGs in this country do a very tidy trade and can live relatively luxurious lives provided they put in the effort to establish a good reputation and provide a good service. Cost of living will hit them like all of us but for many of them I would imagine a tightening of the purse strings would mean maybe reigning in living an extremely cushy life slightly and maybe taking one or two less holidays per year and not deciding whether you get to eat this month or heat your home.

I follow more than a few on Twitter who commonly brag how they have more money than they know what to do with and are pictured being flown around the world by wealthy clients getting shagged silly for an absolute fortune a night and being taken for luxurious dinners and again, this will not be all of them but the ones I refer to only started in the industry last year as brothel workers!

Even working somewhere like HOD where they have to pay house fees in exchange for someone else doing their admin from speaking with girls pre price rise they were pulling in on average north of £600 per shift and they had another part time 'civvy' job on top of that.

In an ideal world no woman should be forced into sex work though sadly some are. From my purely anecdotal evidence those in the UK at least that choose to do so can live extremely luxurious lifestyles provided they establish a solid reputation.

[Bornslippy]

Pubs were struggling prior. This will be final nail in coffin Just last week an MD, of a local engineering company, said the following to my colleague. "fuck off ill have to close up and lay everyone off"
Response after hearing his utlilites will rise from £4k per month to nearly £30k per month. Don't just worry if this will effect prostitution.....worry about the company you currently work for

[Moby Dick]

As others will be quick to point out this won't apply to all WGs but I do agree that the line spun by the MSM of greasy, disgusting, immoral old men taking advantage of poor, vulnerable young women forced to sell sex to feed themselves is, for the most part, a massive crock of shit.

Personally from getting friendly with some, dating some briefly and just general research I would say the majority of WGs in this country do a very tidy trade and can live relatively luxurious lives provided they put in the effort to establish a good reputation and provide a good service. Cost of living will hit them like all of us but for many of them I would imagine a tightening of the purse strings would mean maybe reigning in living an extremely cushy life slightly and maybe taking one or two less holidays per year and not deciding whether you get to eat this month or heat your home.

I follow more than a few on Twitter who commonly brag how they have more money than they know what to do with and are pictured being flown around the world by wealthy clients getting shagged silly for an absolute fortune a night and being taken for luxurious dinners and again, this will not be all of them but the ones I refer to only started in the industry last year as brothel workers!

Even working somewhere like HOD where they have to pay house fees in exchange for someone else doing their admin from speaking with girls pre price rise they were pulling in on average north of £600 per shift and they had another part time 'civvy' job on top of that.

In an ideal world no woman should be forced into sex work though sadly some are. From my purely anecdotal evidence those in the UK at least that choose to do so can live extremely luxurious lifestyles provided they establish a solid reputation.

Yes but your anecdotal evidence is clearly going to be biased since you will favour to follow or try to get to know the better off (tip of the iceberg)  SPs who aren’t struggling with a busy home life looking after kids, elderly relatives etc etc.
Even then behind the scenes, away from OF, Instagram, twatter and the likes who knows what is really happening. Ask any SP how business or life is and they will try and project an illusion of success. They will talk about their holidays or recent spending spree. They are not going to sell themselves by reminding you of Waynetta Slob.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Yes but your anecdotal evidence is clearly going to be biased since you will favour to follow or try to get to know the better off (tip of the iceberg)  SPs who aren’t struggling with a busy home life looking after kids, elderly relatives etc etc.
Even then behind the scenes, away from OF, Instagram, twatter and the likes who knows what is really happening. Ask any SP how business or life is and they will try and project an illusion of success. They will talk about their holidays or recent spending spree. They are not going to sell themselves by reminding you of Waynetta Slob.

I talk with every SP I've been with and so far come across none who are seemingly struggling though of course many will want to project a glamorous life onto Instagram, twitter etc.

I'm talking mainly about the WGs who aren't tied down by kids etc but even those who do have kids (I dated one) they are able to live very comfortable lifestyles.

I know the MSM likes to project this falsehood of perpetually struggling women forced unwillingly into prostitution but I don't think that's true of the vast majority of WGs in the UK.

[Moby Dick]

I talk with every SP I've been with and so far come across none who are seemingly struggling though of course many will want to project a glamorous life onto Instagram, twitter etc.

I'm talking mainly about the WGs who aren't tied down by kids etc but even those who do have kids (I dated one) they are able to live very comfortable lifestyles.

I know the MSM likes to project this falsehood of perpetually struggling women forced unwillingly into prostitution but I don't think that's true of the vast majority of WGs in the UK.

That’s my point.
You are selecting the elite SPs

Edit : or at least not the ones that are struggling.

[MysteryManNo.7]

That’s my point.
You are selecting the elite SPs

Edit : or at least not the ones that are struggling.

Please can you define what an 'elite' WG is exactly? If we're talking price I never go above £150 and the vast majority of my punts, well over 90%, have been at HOD the owner of which I'm sure would be delighted to be described as an 'elite' brothel but I wouldn't call it that myself.

[Moby Dick]

Please can you define what an 'elite' WG is exactly? If we're talking price I never go above £150 and the vast majority of my punts, well over 90%, have been at HOD the owner of which I'm sure would be delighted to be described as an 'elite' brothel but I wouldn't call it that myself.

Top of the triangle. Tip of the iceberg, as in doing well for themselves.
I imagine the SPs at HOD get enough traffic to be higher earners.

[davey.edwards1969]

I've often wondered how much parlour girls earn per day?
Say 2 days a week
On average 8 punters a day @ £50 per 30 mins ( in Manchester) = £400 per day
How much would the parlour take ? 50%
Assuming no extras like CIM or anal
Then the girl gets £400 a week

Is that about right on average ?

[MysteryManNo.7]

I've often wondered how much parlour girls earn per day?
Say 2 days a week
On average 8 punters a day @ £50 per 30 mins ( in Manchester) = £400 per day
How much would the parlour take ? 50%
Assuming no extras like CIM or anal
Then the girl gets £400 a week

Is that about right on average ?

I only know of HOD at which the girls, pre price rise, would earn £45 for 30 mins with the house taking £25, £65 for 45mins with the house taking £35 and £85 per 1 hour bookings with the house taking £45.

Post price rise I would guess they earn £50 for 30 min bookings, £80 for 45 min bookings and £100 for 1 hour bookings to keep things simple but that's just a guess. I was told by a popular ex-HOD girl that she could expect to earn on average just north of £600 per shift pre price rise. AFAIK the girls work from 11am with the last booking being from 8pm and they have to take a one hour break each day at some point.

I recall reading on here from an ex HOD girl that the only extra they're allowed to charge for is anal which is an extra £40 plus they keep 100% of any tips they're given. This is only an example of one brothel though and of course each will have their own rules on how much of a cut the house takes, whether extras are allowed etc.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Top of the triangle. Tip of the iceberg, as in doing well for themselves.
I imagine the SPs at HOD get enough traffic to be higher earners.

To me terms like 'elite', 'high end' etc are nebulous even pointless in this industry. I've lost count of the amount of profiles where a WG will bill herself as such but her prices are, to me, very low.

As I've mentioned, personally almost, but not all, of my punts have been at HOD and I would say none of the girls there meet your description of an 'elite' escort based on their pricing and the conveyor-belt service though personally I've enjoyed my time there with a few notable exceptions. I've seen much older women, young women, all different shapes, sizes and nationalities there. It's an eclectic mix of some really lovely women but again, I wouldn't consider any working there as 'elite' based on the relatively low pricing. A few really good and popular women there did indeed move onto what I would consider the 'elite' market (Sloane, Talulah) but the vast majority don't and wont.

Popular girls there like Elizabeth probably do indeed make very good money but I bet the majority make far less than the top earners. 

Everyone will have a different opinion on what these terms mean. Personally I'd consider something like the overpriced £400 Russians as 'elite' or 'high end' but only in the sense of they're somehow able to find men foolish enough to spend that much when there are much better value options available or the women who advertise themselves as 'travelling companions' at outrageous rates that must be hooking up with millionaires who to be fair would have the money to afford to make poor decisions.

[cunningman]

I was told by a popular ex-HOD girl that she could expect to earn on average just north of £600 per shift pre price rise.

That doesn't seem to add up unless its the gross take before the house is paid.  Its still a lot of worked hours compared to total hours.
What do you mean by 'shift'?

[FlaccidChimp]

The Service Provider options I had are now no longer value for money because they've recently increased their prices. The one I am super attracted to increased her price by £100 to £350 for the hour. The other one is charging basically double for the less services than when she started a few years ago.  I'm looking for replacements but not having much luck as I look for good experiences these days to get my moneys worth as I don't have enough to punt as much as I used to.

[Moby Dick]

I've often wondered how much parlour girls earn per day?
Say 2 days a week
On average 8 punters a day @ £50 per 30 mins ( in Manchester) = £400 per day
How much would the parlour take ? 50%
Assuming no extras like CIM or anal
Then the girl gets £400 a week

Is that about right on average ?

Way more,  £600/day for the popular SPs - 10years ago!
Why assume no extras? - that’s where they make their money, and why they up sell.

Sandys, basic 30minutes cost £50
House got £20, SP £30,
plus extras £10 OWO, £20 CIM, £30 Anal
They could easily do 15 or more 30mins in a 10 hour day.
The popular ones would pay £20 to have a 30minute lunch break, that’s  how busy they were.
That’s £450 plus a further £150 to £300 in extras
From that they paid for the room. £60
And tipped the reception and maid £30

Take home £500 to £650 per day (gross before tax)
More for the anal queens.
Some did 2 shifts at 2 parlours, 4 days a week.
Potentially earning £2600/week!
A bad week, only 7 x 30mins/day was still £1300/week.

[davey.edwards1969]

Yes but that was Sandys where it was always busy and all the girls wanted to work there
Most parlour girls are nowhere near as busy as that are they ?
Mind you getting shagged by 15 blokes in 10 hours must be hard work even more so if it involves anal so good luck to them

[MysteryManNo.7]

That doesn't seem to add up unless its the gross take before the house is paid.  Its still a lot of worked hours compared to total hours.
What do you mean by 'shift'?

That's what she told me, she didn't tell me the exact amount but she was estimating how much girls at TPC make and remarked that she reckons they make between £650-£700 per shift (which I don't think they actually do) and she remarked her estimated hourly rate of £110 is only every so slightly over HOD's per hour earnings for her and the amount in total that she makes each day.

Shift is the day they work, as I say they work between 11am-roughly 8pm with a break at some point in the day. 

[Moby Dick]

To me terms like 'elite', 'high end' etc are nebulous even pointless in this industry. I've lost count of the amount of profiles where a WG will bill herself as such but her prices are, to me, very low.

As I've mentioned, personally almost, but not all, of my punts have been at HOD and I would say none of the girls there meet your description of an 'elite' escort based on their pricing and the conveyor-belt service though personally I've enjoyed my time there with a few notable exceptions. I've seen much older women, young women, all different shapes, sizes and nationalities there. It's an eclectic mix of some really lovely women but again, I wouldn't consider any working there as 'elite' based on the relatively low pricing. A few really good and popular women there did indeed move onto what I would consider the 'elite' market (Sloane, Talulah) but the vast majority don't and wont.

Popular girls there like Elizabeth probably do indeed make very good money but I bet the majority make far less than the top earners. 

Everyone will have a different opinion on what these terms mean. Personally I'd consider something like the overpriced £400 Russians as 'elite' or 'high end' but only in the sense of they're somehow able to find men foolish enough to spend that much when there are much better value options available or the women who advertise themselves as 'travelling companions' at outrageous rates that must be hooking up with millionaires who to be fair would have the money to afford to make poor decisions.

I agree, elite can be misleading and not a word I would normally use hence why I edited my post by adding “ or at least not the ones that are struggling”
My point is that if you claim you have never met an SP who is struggling and follow their social media showing their luxury holidays then you are punting towards the “pointy” end of the triangle. The very tip is elite.
The wider base is where most SPs are struggling.

In terms of earnings parlour SPs can earn more than independents due to volume, footfall, efficiency, lower overheads etc etc. They may be a conveyor, does that matter, stop them from being top of their game, high earners, elite?
It doesn’t matter that you don’t consider them elite, my point is that in reality there are many SPs less fortunate.

[Moby Dick]

That doesn't seem to add up unless its the gross take before the house is paid.  Its still a lot of worked hours compared to total hours.
What do you mean by 'shift'?

What you think it should be more?

[MysteryManNo.7]

I agree, elite can be misleading and not a word I would normally use hence why I edited my post by adding “ or at least not the ones that are struggling”
My point is that if you claim you have never met an SP who is struggling and follow their social showing their luxury holidays then you are punting towards the “pointy” end of the triangle. The very tip is elite.
The wider base is where most SPs are struggling.

In terms of earnings parlour SPs can earn more than independents due to volume, footfall, efficiency, lower overheads etc etc. They may be a conveyor, does that matter, stop them from being top of their game, high earners, elite?
It doesn’t matter that you don’t consider them elite, my point is that in reality there are many SPs less fortunate.

I should clarify, only a handful of the girls I've seen I actually follow on social media, certainly less than 10%. At this point this debate doesn't seem to have any actual point. You're basing your claims on assuming most WGs are less fortunate than the WGs I choose to see which, as I've said I wouldn't, and I don't think many others would, consider 'elite' which as we've established is a pointless, nebulous term in this industry.

How would you define a WG as 'less fortunate'. Less fortunate than what? By what metric? Is there a set amount and if so who defines said amount? What kind of life does a WG need to lead for her to be considered less fortunate? There will no doubt be some girls earning north of £100,000 per annum who are barely making ends meet due to living beyond their means and other making £40,000 per year living very comfortable lives due to living within their means. Unless we're somehow able to speak to every single WG in the UK about their earnings, experience etc and catalogue all of this all we're both doing is throwing assumptions and pointless, undefined terms at one another.

[Moby Dick]

Elite
“a size of letter in typewriting, with 12 characters to the inch (about 4.7 to the centimetre).”

Less fortunate means most are not earning £600/day. I consider that to be a provider who knows how to please.

I recall there was a survey done on UK sex workers earnings and the number was surprisingly low. I was expecting circa £50k.
I think it was around £15k/year. Of course many are part timers, and many don’t want to declare their full earnings for tax reasons.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Elite
“a size of letter in typewriting, with 12 characters to the inch (about 4.7 to the centimetre).”

Less fortunate means most are not earning £600/day. I consider that to be a provider who knows how to please.

I recall there was a survey done on UK sex workers earnings and the number was surprisingly low. I was expecting circa £50k.
I think it was around £15k/year. Of course many are part timers, and many don’t want to declare their full earnings for tax reasons.

Most of the girls at HOD won't be earning £600 per day, from speaking with them and seeing the earnings of one I dated that's what the top earners tend to make and even for them it varies wildly from day to day, month to month, but still live comfortably and again, that's your own personal interpretation of 'less fortunate' within this industry.

I also wouldn't put any stock in surveys as you say, many won't declare their full earnings and it will only reach a tiny percentage of the whole amount so they are for the most part useless. If we could have some kind of mandatory census of UK sex workers, and that's another nebulous term as what is a sex worker? Some would say only a person who has sex for money meets that definition, others would say a camgirl/OF girl also meets the definition, that would be great but won't happen and then who's to say they will all be completely truthful? 

[LLPunting]

Most of the girls at HOD won't be earning £600 per day, from speaking with them and seeing the earnings of one I dated that's what the top earners tend to make and even for them it varies wildly from day to day, month to month, but still live comfortably and again, that's your own personal interpretation of 'less fortunate' within this industry.

I also wouldn't put any stock in surveys as you say, many won't declare their full earnings and it will only reach a tiny percentage of the whole amount so they are for the most part useless. If we could have some kind of mandatory census of UK sex workers, and that's another nebulous term as what is a sex worker? Some would say only a person who has sex for money meets that definition, others would say a camgirl/OF girl also meets the definition, that would be great but won't happen and then who's to say they will all be completely truthful?

Why use the term sex worker when we are talking prostitutes?  There is no ambiguity with the latter.  We are here to discuss having contact sex with another person(s).
If there's no physical interaction then the parties are divorced from the taboo associated with money for contact sex because anything else is porn or titilation delivered between parties in separate locations, regardless if it's pre-recorded or delivered (interactively) real-time.

[Tecova]

My regulars charge the medium rate and most are hopeless with money based on what they say and I see.  One was let go by her proper job and told me she's been hiding from the landlord.  Yes, there's some savvy female escorts who do well, but it's not every escort.  You can be very pretty but if your work ethic isn't up there, then you can't have a glam lifestyle.

[Marmalade]

Like most professions there is a wide difference in pay and rewards between the best and worst.
Not every enthusiastic footballer is good enough to play in the premier league, but I can’t think of any that are coerced or trafficked against their will to play football.
Some SPs are doing it to feed their kids or their drug habits, whilst others can afford to invest in the property market. It is their version of a pension.

A good comment. Discounting those poor women who have been forced (i.e. trafficked in the proper, truly horrific sense, not the legalistic catch-all), those choosing to work as SPs are simply making a difficult choice. A choice not really open to men who have their back against the wall so to speak (as male SPs get paid very little by comparison). It might be unfortunate but hardly some evil reaching out across the country corrupting young women (who might otherwise starve) or women who just want a more than decent pay-packet but don't have the brains or machismo to earn very high salaries.

[LLPunting]

...or women who just want a more than decent pay-packet but don't have the brains or machismo to earn very high salaries.

eh?

[Marmalade]

eh?

Earning a high salary generally needs brains but also a certain assertiveness to get ahead. I’m convinced it’s one of the reasons that men tend to ride higher in business than women overall. The alpha-male thing. When a woman tries to imitate that she tends to lose her cool, which doesn’t work. I can’t think of a better word. They’ve all been re-labelled. Even ‘masculinity’ is associated with ‘toxic’ by the militant feminazi squad.

I don’t think one sex is better than the other. It’s a chance to learn from each other. But each excels in different ways. Women are more empathetic. But they’re shite at positive assertiveness. I’m generalising of course.

 

[Colston36]

A good comment. Discounting those poor women who have been forced (i.e. trafficked in the proper, truly horrific sense, not the legalistic catch-all), those choosing to work as SPs are simply making a difficult choice. A choice not really open to men who have their back against the wall so to speak (as male SPs get paid very little by comparison). It might be unfortunate but hardly some evil reaching out across the country corrupting young women (who might otherwise starve) or women who just want a more than decent pay-packet but don't have the brains or machismo to earn very high salaries.

Machismo? Are they all turning into men?

[Jayj]

I've often wondered how much parlour girls earn per day?
Say 2 days a week
On average 8 punters a day @ £50 per 30 mins ( in Manchester) = £400 per day
How much would the parlour take ? 50%
Assuming no extras like CIM or anal
Then the girl gets £400 a week

Is that about right on average ?

The first punt goes to the parlour usually limit of 30 min cost then any others clients are usually 50/50 split, some parlours fine the girls for being late, untidy rooms they also charge well over the odds for condoms, wipes, lube etc, the girls look towards extras to make the money that and generous clients who tip well, some of these will drop extra £50 upwards £200 on a long visit, some of the girls will share this with the maids.

It’s not the volume but rather the time spent in the room, a very good SP will have bookings that last say 2hours they then tick all the extras plus a good tip, they might only see 3 or 4 guys a day but be fully booked.

Well review parlour girls on UKP can double their income.

[tp69]

The first punt goes to the parlour usually limit of 30 min cost then any others clients are usually 50/50 split, some parlours fine the girls for being late, untidy rooms they also charge well over the odds for condoms, wipes, lube etc, the girls look towards extras to make the money that and generous clients who tip well, some of these will drop extra £50 upwards £200 on a long visit, some of the girls will share this with the maids.

It’s not the volume but rather the time spent in the room, a very good SP will have bookings that last say 2hours they then tick all the extras plus a good tip, they might only see 3 or 4 guys a day but be fully booked.

Well review parlour girls on UKP can double their income.

Crazy. The girls with good UKP reviews should go independent, they'd make more. Taking 50% is robbery.

[Marmalade]

Crazy. The girls with good UKP reviews should go independent, they'd make more. Taking 50% is robbery.

They agree. But they have to organise shit themselves and it’s not so regular, so they come and go back and forth. A top girl gets booked solid at a parlour so only needs to do 2 or 3 days a week.

[lillythesavage]

Somewhere back in the thread the socials were mentioned, and guys finding it difficult to earn from them. Think again  , And there is no sign of a crisis in Ibiza  .

One of the boys was talked in taking his partner for the weekend, the flights were reasonable enough, but the 500 quid a night for the hotel pissed a little. and 140 to park the car.

At the airport he puts out on FB, see if any friends are around, one guy messages and says he will fly in too, by private jet from Marbella  , says meet me at the Ocean Club, Fuck me the prices are eye watering. External Link/Members Only.

So they throw the bags in the hotel, jump in a cab, meet him there. Free VIP treatment, they never spent a penny.

What does this friend do, pays someone to follow him around, filming, and posting on the socials and people pay him just to be in his company, I was gobsmacked  , a millionaire at 20 from social media.

[tp69]

They agree. But they have to organise shit themselves and it’s not so regular, so they come and go back and forth. A top girl gets booked solid at a parlour so only needs to do 2 or 3 days a week.

I've never been to HOD. I assumed it is still 2 girls to a flat type scenario? With the website as a marketing tool. Is it more like a brothel setup?

If they're losing 50% of earnings, surely popular ex-hod girls like Jaimee are pulling out way more and probably working less hours? Granted she has her own flat costs etc.

[Marmalade]

I've never been to HOD. I assumed it is still 2 girls to a flat type scenario? With the website as a marketing tool. Is it more like a brothel setup?

If they're losing 50% of earnings, surely popular ex-hod girls like Jaimee are pulling out way more and probably working less hours? Granted she has her own flat costs etc.

I’m not sure how similar HOD and the ones up here are. The saunas generally have several on and you pick one. Willie Loman can update you on how much the establishment takes. Smiths might have knowledge of HOD.

[Jayj]

Crazy. The girls with good UKP reviews should go independent, they'd make more. Taking 50% is robbery.

I guess you need to think about it differently, girls in a parlour are safe, they don’t need to worry about being alone, getting thrown out of a hotel, if it’s a slow day then they haven’t paid for a hotel or Airbnb and found themselves out of pocket, they have free advertising, company and a location that’s designed to facilitate sexual services.

[petermisc]

I guess you need to think about it differently, girls in a parlour are safe, they don’t need to worry about being alone, getting thrown out of a hotel, if it’s a slow day then they haven’t paid for a hotel or Airbnb and found themselves out of pocket, they have free advertising, company and a location that’s designed to facilitate sexual services.

Agreed.  One indie that I know spent a lot of time trying to find suitable premises when she had to leave her place.  And then there is a constant worry that she might get turfed out again, if the neighbours kick up a fuss.  A parlour deals with all these issues.  All the girl has to do is turn up, work, and go home.  A bit like why most people choose to work for someone else, rather than set up on their own, with all the headaches and worries that come with that.

A parlour is also a good choice for someone who only wants to work part-time.  The overhead costs of working indie are pretty much the same whether you work full or part-time.

[Moby Dick]

Plus Parlour SPs can take advantage of walk ins.
Punters waiting their turn in reception having a coffee and reading the paper.

Whilst indies have to leave more time between punts so punters don’t cross on the stairs or their neighbours get suspicious. Trying to respond to message whilst the punter is in the shower. They really need to employ a maid to answer the phone, but that would make their set up a brothel, and eat into their profit.

If an indie gets a cancellation, that could fuck up her day. That’s why some ask for deposits especially for longer bookings. Whilst a parlour is “Next”

Difference between a Barber shop and a fancy “designer” ladies hairdressers.

[Marmalade]

Plus Parlour SPs can take advantage of walk ins.
Punters waiting their turn in reception having a coffee and reading the paper.

Whilst indies have to leave more time between punts so punters don’t cross on the stairs or their neighbours get suspicious. Trying to respond to message whilst the punter is in the shower. They really need to employ a maid to answer the phone, but that would make their set up a brothel, and eat into their profit.

If an indie gets a cancellation, that could fuck up her day. That’s why some ask for deposits especially for longer bookings. Whilst a parlour is “Next”

Difference between a Barber shop and a fancy “designer” ladies hairdressers.

And while I'm sure some indies can fill in a complicated form, some of them couldn't fill in a lottery card.   

[tp69]

All good points. As someone who has their own business I see it from that side, but the points highlighted are sound.

I spoken to a couple of the Thai girls in the SE that I see who rotate around different flats every couple weeks in different areas. Apparently, they pay 10% to the person who organises the accommodation and who also manages their phones. They pay weekly rent on top of that but they say it's a fair rate.

I would've thought in a HOD type setup where they handle all your marketing and accommodation, handing over 30% tops would be fair.

[Malvolio]

I've never been to HOD. I assumed it is still 2 girls to a flat type scenario? With the website as a marketing tool. Is it more like a brothel setup?

If they're losing 50% of earnings, surely popular ex-hod girls like Jaimee are pulling out way more and probably working less hours? Granted she has her own flat costs etc.

It's a brothel, but you must pre-book as walk-ins aren't accepted.  There are two girls, two bedrooms and one maid that handles the calls, punter movements etc.

No idea what the cut to the house is.

[Home Alone]

The first punt goes to the parlour usually limit of 30 min cost then any others clients are usually 50/50 split, some parlours fine the girls for being late, untidy rooms they also charge well over the odds for condoms, wipes, lube etc, the girls look towards extras to make the money that and generous clients who tip well, some of these will drop extra £50 upwards £200 on a long visit, some of the girls will share this with the maids.

It’s not the volume but rather the time spent in the room, a very good SP will have bookings that last say 2hours they then tick all the extras plus a good tip, they might only see 3 or 4 guys a day but be fully booked.

Well review parlour girls on UKP can double their income.

Back in the day - 2005 - 2010, say - many of the well-reviewed Parlour girls in Greater Manchester seemed - to me, at any rate - to use their time in Parlours as an apprenticeship, prior to going out as independent SPs and trading on their names as SPs in the more popular Parlours.

[Marmalade]

Back in the day - 2005 - 2010, say - many of the well-reviewed Parlour girls in Greater Manchester seemed - to me, at any rate - to use their time in Parlours as an apprenticeship, prior to going out as independent SPs and trading on their names as SPs in the more popular Parlours.

Sounds believable. Sandy's introduced them to a pretty slick routine.

[Moby Dick]

Yes but the better/more popular ones had AW profiles whilst still working at Sandys. They didn’t use the same name and made no reference to Sandys.
They toured away from Greater Manchester for many years before deciding to go full time Indy.
They also worked at other parlours at the same time (Funplace in Birmingham, Victoria house in Lutterworth) They had the skills to build up a good reputation on AW and here(plus poached a few clients before leaving).

After Sandys closed (2016) that is when you saw profiles referring to Ex-SS often in their adult work user name matching their Sandys Parlour name. The better ones didn’t need to.

[Lewwy]

Plus Parlour SPs can take advantage of walk ins.
Punters waiting their turn in reception having a coffee and reading the paper.

Whilst indies have to leave more time between punts so punters don’t cross on the stairs or their neighbours get suspicious. Trying to respond to message whilst the punter is in the shower. They really need to employ a maid to answer the phone, but that would make their set up a brothel, and eat into their profit.

If an indie gets a cancellation, that could fuck up her day. That’s why some ask for deposits especially for longer bookings. Whilst a parlour is “Next”

Difference between a Barber shop and a fancy “designer” ladies hairdressers.

Is that correct? I was under the impression that it was only a brothel if there was more than one person there working as a prostitute, even if it was at different times.

[Moby Dick]

Is that correct? I was under the impression that it was only a brothel if there was more than one person there working as a prostitute, even if it was at different times.

Correct but two women at the same address at the same time is going to be dodgy.
“Please officer, look I am wearing a maids outfit”

[StingRay]

It's a brothel, but you must pre-book as walk-ins aren't accepted.  There are two girls, two bedrooms and one maid that handles the calls, punter movements etc.

No idea what the cut to the house is.

Quite often there are 3 girls (and 1 maid), but still only 2 bedrooms, which takes a bit of juggling since you could try to book a girl at a certain time when she is free, but there may not be a room available, so you are fucked, or won't be actually!

The house cut used to be 1/3 before increases, not sure how the increase is split.

[Viper90]

TBF, a decade ago there was a plethora of EEs from 20s to 40s in East London offering topless wanks at home on Gumtree and ad sites like Hallo.  All gone.
There was also a lot more on your beloved Craigslist.

Looking back I really wish I'd made more use of them.

I wish girls on AW would do this. Id be up for frequent, 5- 10 min topless wanks at 20-30 quid max. Surely it would be a good way to top up the income in an easy, low effort, low maintenance fashion that would benefit low and high end girls a like.

[Marmalade]

Looking back I really wish I'd made more use of them.

Isn’t it one of the commonest regrets, wishing to have shagged more women. 

[Mr Sinister]

Isn’t it one of the commonest regrets, wishing to have shagged more women. 

Of course but sometimes in our pursuit of having the most lavish and expensive item we overlook the simple things in life.

I wish girls on AW would do this. Id be up for frequent, 5- 10 min topless wanks at 20-30 quid max. Surely it would be a good way to top up the income in an easy, low effort, low maintenance fashion that would benefit low and high end girls a like.

Nah cause most girls are on there to get max profit from full sex services they provide. You can still find some civvies who would be up for it if you know where to look

[Viper90]

Of course but sometimes in our pursuit of having the most lavish and expensive item we overlook the simple things in life.


Nah cause most girls are on there to get max profit from full sex services they provide. You can still find some civvies who would be up for it if you know where to look

I hear you. Where do you think would be the best place to look for these types of services?

[Marmalade]

Does anybody else find the title of thread incredibly un-punterish, almost abolitionist in tone? It’s not as if they’re telling them to AW-register down at the job centre. Having said that, more might decide to take advantage of the opportunities offered by sex work due to costs of living.

You’d think it would be the case. I just haven’t seen much evidence of it so far. Women who think it’s beneath them maybe think of getting Tesco Value brand instead of the more expensive Tesco’s Finest brand at least as less beneath them and so on.

Then maybe fugees would swell the numbers? I type a search for my home city I get 175 hits, which goes down to 170 without Ukies. (By comparison, the total goes down to 155 if excluding Roms). Ukies don’t seem too desperate — a DM story today has them complaining to their host that they ‘need’ expensive lip-filler make-up as a “matter of urgency”.

These searches are not that accurate but possibly a comparison could be done in a few months’ time? Maybe much of the doom-n-gloom after all is about future, greater increases so counts as fear-mongering. Probably the economy of a country has to be well and truly fucked before there’s a big surge in take-up, and even then, police harassment and social exclusion tend to dissuade all but the most determined.