Cost of living crisis pushing more women into sex work

[nearlypastit1234]

In many of the tabloids and on the news. Cant say it wasnt expected can we. External Link/Members Only

[Moby Dick]

Not an easy read.

She finally got housing, but has no fridge or the money to get one, so she's using a bag out of the window to cool food.

How does that work?

[Bornslippy]

Escort prices will have to reduce. I know a few (me included) who have reduced our punt volume dramatically. £200 per hour for British girl in Stevenage/Luton the norm now...

[Bornslippy]

Not an easy read.

How does that work?

No idea. Would work in the winter not when its 18 degrees at night in the summer
can see us having to go back to the old days of pickling and curing our food so it long lasting

[Viper90]

Onlyfans seems the way forward these days. Bang average girls can make a fortune flashing their gash on the web now.

[Makka124]

Onlyfans seems the way forward these days. Bang average girls can make a fortune flashing their gash on the web now.

Even that doesn’t guarantee success, there’s thousands of girls on there and they can’t charge silly money until they establish themselves also there’s porn hub to watch

[chrishornx]

Escort prices will have to reduce. I know a few (me included) who have reduced our punt volume dramatically. £200 per hour for British girl in Stevenage/Luton the norm now...

perhaps more parlour usage

I saw one escort last week and she said a lot were intending to increase prices to reflect inflation rises - will they never learn ?

[Viper90]

Even that doesn’t guarantee success, there’s thousands of girls on there and they can’t charge silly money until they establish themselves also there’s porn hub to watch

True. I used to work with a girl that did OF on the side. Think they use it to subsidise their partying/ habbits.

[Viper90]

perhaps more parlour usage

I saw one escort last week and she said a lot were intending to increase prices to reflect inflation rises - will they never learn ?

Its not the WGs that need to learn, its punters that need to start voting with their wallets. If punters keep paying, the prices will keep rising.

[KeenPunter]

perhaps more parlour usage

I saw one escort last week and she said a lot were intending to increase prices to reflect inflation rises - will they never learn ?

See it in terms of how much petrol they can get for their work.  5 years ago at say £80 an hour one punt could get her maybe 70 litres of petrol.  Now one punt at £120 an hour gets her 65 litres of petrol.  Or she can drop her prices to £80 and get 45 litres of petrol, a huge paycut.

Unfortunately if other prices are going up, the price of work goes up to match, not down as you are hoping.

[Ziggy]

Some interesting points so far.
If as the story headline suggests new girls start in the industry, or indeed return or even existing girls do more hours to try and bridge the cost of living impact then we may well see the basic supply and demand scenario drop prices.
Less punters as we all have bills, more supply cheaper cost, basic economics.
I know my own disposable income will be reduced.
What a wonderful 1st world problem😂.

[Bornslippy]

😀 Yeah punting will be (and already has been) the first luxury to be cut when shit hits the fan. first world problems indeed

[psb]

When I buy milk for 75% more than it cost a few years ago I don't go on social media moaning that the guy in the corner shop is "taking the piss" , the girls are just reacting to their own cost of living soaring.

[petermisc]

Some interesting points so far.
If as the story headline suggests new girls start in the industry, or indeed return or even existing girls do more hours to try and bridge the cost of living impact then we may well see the basic supply and demand scenario drop prices.

Except that it doesn't work like that.  A girl new to the scene will look at what established providers charge, and set her prices to match.  If she doesn't make enough money, she won't drop her prices, but give it up as a bad job and find something else to do.

I am sorry, but anyone who thinks prices are going to drop significantly is delusional.  At best, a few providers who have recently put their prices up may put them back down again, but that will be it.

[KeenPunter]

Except that it doesn't work like that.  A girl new to the scene will look at what established providers charge, and set her prices to match.  If she doesn't make enough money, she won't drop her prices, but give it up as a bad job and find something else to do.

I am sorry, but anyone who thinks prices are going to drop significantly is delusional.  At best, a few providers who have recently put their prices up may put them back down again, but that will be it.

Exactly.  Economics isn't just about supply and demand graphs, much more to it than that especially for this hobby

[lillythesavage]

Except that it doesn't work like that.  A girl new to the scene will look at what established providers charge, and set her prices to match.  If she doesn't make enough money, she won't drop her prices, but give it up as a bad job and find something else to do.

I am sorry, but anyone who thinks prices are going to drop significantly is delusional.  At best, a few providers who have recently put their prices up may put them back down again, but that will be it.

So true, 2 x 200 or 4 x 100, I know what I would chose if it was my ass  , every one has a price they are prepared to work for, SP,s are no different unless they are desperate and addicted prices will not drop.

Prossie logic has little to do with it, they put a value on their bodies and punters either pay it or not. There will always be punters that will.

Some punter logic is the more you pay the more you get 

[pythondan]

If a woman was genuinely desparate for money then maybe she would set her rates towards the lower end of the market.

For example a reasonably attractive British girl would probably be really busy if she charged £70 per half hour and get say three bookings a day so would clear over £1k for a five day week.

The same girl charging £100 per half hour would have far more competition and so receive fewer bookings - maybe one a day - and receive half the money.

In my area there are very few British newbies on AW and parlours all shut years ago so I am not convinced that women are being pushed to sex work.

To be honest I would not want to see a girl who is so desparate for money that sex work is her only choice.

[lillythesavage]

To be honest I would not want to see a girl who is so desparate for money that sex work is her only choice.

Totally agree, but most of these types of threads are in hope that they will. 

The stigma created by anti prostitution media must play a part too, as will the internet digging up deleted things from the past, once you go there you can be found forever.

[big-al93]

Totally agree, but most of these types of threads are in hope that they will. 

The stigma created by anti prostitution media must play a part too, as will the internet digging up deleted things from the past, once you go there you can be found forever.

That said the proportion of the SP pool that are in it for the sex is fairly miniscule, and the sex industry attacts women who have financial needs/wants that are most easily met by sex work. But it would be wrong to hope more start from pure desperation. However it was always thus, many a streetwalker used to be housewives that needed a bit extra for school uniforms/christmas or whatever. It's the same kind of thing really and we all do whatever we need to do to keep things going. That said in this day and age, nobody should feel that sex work is their only option.

[lillythesavage]

That said the proportion of the SP pool that are in it for the sex is fairly miniscule, and the sex industry attacts women who have financial needs/wants that are most easily met by sex work. But it would be wrong to hope more start from pure desperation. However it was always thus, many a streetwalker used to be housewives that needed a bit extra for school uniforms/christmas or whatever. It's the same kind of thing really and we all do whatever we need to do to keep things going. That said in this day and age, nobody should feel that sex work is their only option.

The days of single mums topping up the income on the streets is long gone, in London anyway, nothing but Roms and addicts these days.

Back in the day it was accepted, not anymore, money has taken over and talks.

These days it is putting yourself on sale on the net, and that alone stops a lot of young Brits, with the stigma it now has and those that scour to expose it is not something they are prepared to do openly.
CL gave them an option they could control, but the snowflakes have put a stop to it, which leaves Seeking and the like, and that is really hard work as they seem to get tuition on being paid to eat and drink  .

[victor989]

Onlyfans seems the way forward these days. Bang average girls can make a fortune flashing their gash on the web now.

Punters are also facing the cost of living crisis. I can't see why a punter would spend his hard earned cash on onlyfans
when they can view sites like Pornhub, Xvideos etc for free.

[lewisjones23]

Punters are also facing the cost of living crisis. I can't see why a punter would spend his hard earned cash on onlyfans
when they can view sites like Pornhub, Xvideos etc for free.

people get off on seeing photos/videos of people they know/can interact with so there will also be a market

porn is just porn but OnlyFans is different in a way

[sparkus]

The days of single mums topping up the income on the streets is long gone, in London anyway, nothing but Roms and addicts these days.

Back in the day it was accepted, not anymore, money has taken over and talks.

These days it is putting yourself on sale on the net, and that alone stops a lot of young Brits, with the stigma it now has and those that scour to expose it is not something they are prepared to do openly.
CL gave them an option they could control, but the snowflakes have put a stop to it, which leaves Seeking and the like, and that is really hard work as they seem to get tuition on being paid to eat and drink  .

TBF, a decade ago there was a plethora of EEs from 20s to 40s in East London offering topless wanks at home on Gumtree and ad sites like Hallo.  All gone.
There was also a lot more on your beloved Craigslist.

Looking back I really wish I'd made more use of them.

[lillythesavage]

TBF, a decade ago there was a plethora of EEs from 20s to 40s in East London offering topless wanks at home on Gumtree and ad sites like Hallo.  All gone.
There was also a lot more on your beloved Craigslist.

Looking back I really wish I'd made more use of them.

I did make good use of the young EE,s,  10-15 years ago around East London, before that weekends at swingers and sauna parties, that work drive to London most weekends was fucking handy, literally, it stopped once I moved back for a while, until I talked her into it, not the same as being a single guy though.

One thing I was not short of is sex in those days. CL was good too, until recently.

A cleaned up London is just not the same, but the streets are filthy, no pride in the old town these days. Money has ruined lots of things, including sex clubs, sausage fests pay 

[datwabbit]

Its not the WGs that need to learn, its punters that need to start voting with their wallets. If punters keep paying, the prices will keep rising.

A bit like smoking, I do wonder what comprises are made by users to support the extra cost. Less going into their savings or pension? Cheaper or less food? Less travel? Or maybe people had enough spare anyway.

[Mr Sinister]

TBF, a decade ago there was a plethora of EEs from 20s to 40s in East London offering topless wanks at home on Gumtree and ad sites like Hallo.  All gone.
There was also a lot more on your beloved Craigslist.

Looking back I really wish I'd made more use of them.

True, it was full of women open to NSA sex and cheap paid arrangements game long changed since then. A lot of punters will never know how it was when they were punting through the conventional means.

I was looking through my mails during the pandemic I really didn't take advantage of what was on offer(CL) I bartered too hard at times lol, missed out on some gems.

In terms of this topic reckon winter will see many civvies heading towards some form of sex work whether that be OF, seeking, personal ads etc....to keep up with bills and inflation.

I've already had 2 old civvy leads hit me up randomly over the weekend.

A cleaned up London is just not the same, but the streets are filthy, no pride in the old town these days. Money has ruined lots of things, including sex clubs, sausage fests pay 

It's dead boring since the seediness has been taken out, I remember all the EE saunas on the high st in my borough before gentrification kicked in, now they're coffee shops, restaurants. Same with a place like Soho.

[datwabbit]

I'm not from London and rarely visit so I'm curious how it's been cleaned up? I thought you were talking about litter. Surely cost of living will change that in some ways.

[Colston36]

In many of the tabloids and on the news. Cant say it wasnt expected can we. External Link/Members Only

No surprise. In Victorian London, with one third of today's population but infinitely more poverty, 60,000 prostitutes - a far more dangerous life.

[shagmore]

One of my regulars has put her price up to £160/hr so she is now off the list.
Prices are going up, but these WGs are making quite a bit.
Will start having to look for a good EE

[datwabbit]

So no sign of a supermodel doing £100ph yet?

[MysteryManNo.7]

Onlyfans seems the way forward these days. Bang average girls can make a fortune flashing their gash on the web now.

Not true. The average earnings on OF is only approx. £130 per month. Majority of money is earned by like the top 5%. 

[MysteryManNo.7]

Personally I feel financially secure thanks to a lot in savings and a secure job however my hard limit for punting is £150 per hour and if girls start raising prices to be £200 per hour (That being said I have 3 girls who charge £200 PH who see me for £150 given they trust me and like me) I would simply stop punting or switch to parlours where the rate is more reasonable.

As others have said, we as punters need to vote with our wallets and simply stop patronising WGs who raise their prices to unreasonable levels. We are all facing financial hardship due to an incompetent government not just WGs and personally I think it's ridiculous if a girl earning £150 PH for example is somehow unable to support herself and decides to jump her prices up. Suggests to me she is living well beyond her means though of course WGs are welcome to charge whatever they want but we as punters need to be unafraid to walk away when prices get greedy.

[tp69]

2 x 200 or 4 x 100, I know what I would chose if it was my ass

That equation, certainly at the moment, isn't the one they need to consider as it assumes they can fill every hour. The relevant equation when discretionary spending is being hammered would be something like:

1 x £200
2 x £150
10 x £100

What the real numbers are will be determined by their service and popularity so it's up to them to figure out the size of their current market.

[lillythesavage]

I'm not from London and rarely visit so I'm curious how it's been cleaned up? I thought you were talking about litter. Surely cost of living will change that in some ways.

Cleaned up as in gentrified, pricing Londoners out and them cashing in, being replaced with those that live behind closed doors and electric gates, the seediness has gone, no more single mums popping down the RLD, the new money does not want it, where before it was just part of life and accepted, drugs did not help that situation though.

Still the odd spot the estate agents have not persuaded the hipsters to pay lots of money, and places immigrants have taken over, Whitechapel, Shoreditch and Hackney are a case in point, property is nuts prices, the reggae and dance clubs in disused factories and the like are all gone, the working mans pubs the same. Kings Cross too, Further east is it happening, getting rid of social housing, promising new developments with social housing that never materialises.

Around Brick Lane has always been for immigrant business, in my life time, Jewish clothes and cloth, leather workshops, that as they died off and made a few quid and moved on, the Asians took over the run down shops and factories, it is all getting converted to hipster housing, coffee shops and rip off cafes.

Outside of the tourist spots, the streets are filthier than they have ever been, pot holed roads, broken pavements, untrimmed tress and bushes, wheelie bins litter the pavements and nobody cares as long as the council tax gets paid, they are raking it in with all the new flats, fuck knows where they spend it  .

I hear Vauxhall has been getting the same treatment, not ventured west for a while, it just ain,t the same.

[Hobbit]

Personally I feel financially secure thanks to a lot in savings and a secure job however my hard limit for punting is £150 per hour and if girls start raising prices to be £200 per hour (That being said I have 3 girls who charge £200 PH who see me for £150 given they trust me and like me) I would simply stop punting or switch to parlours where the rate is more reasonable.

As others have said, we as punters need to vote with our wallets and simply stop patronising WGs who raise their prices to unreasonable levels. We are all facing financial hardship due to an incompetent government not just WGs and personally I think it's ridiculous if a girl earning £150 PH for example is somehow unable to support herself and decides to jump her prices up. Suggests to me she is living well beyond her means though of course WGs are welcome to charge whatever they want but we as punters need to be unafraid to walk away when prices get greedy.

Yes, they are living well beyond their means but the fact is like most people they want to earn more and work less. I personally have decided not to pay ridiculous rates and therefore have been sticking to just massages with HR as they are reasonable and affordable unless they start getting greedy as well.

[jsparky]

Not an easy read.

How does that work?

It only works in winter, in summer, they'll be eaten by dog before the food go stale.

[JayEZ2K]

Its not the WGs that need to learn, its punters that need to start voting with their wallets. If punters keep paying, the prices will keep rising.

That's what I've done, barely punting at all, at least relative to the frequent punts of previous years. I also don't punt overpriced SPs to avoid normalizing high prices. Unfortunately, too many others are willing to pay high prices, but at least I do my part.


As for new SPs, I haven't seen them. Maybe it's in select cities where people were already living close to their means.

[Bornslippy]

That's what I've done, barely punting at all, at least relative to the frequent punts of previous years. I also don't punt overpriced SPs to avoid normalizing high prices. Unfortunately, too many others are willing to pay high prices, but at least I do my part.


As for new SPs, I haven't seen them. Maybe it's in select cities where people were already living close to their means.

I'm with you brother 

[Moby Dick]

It only works in winter, in summer, they'll be eaten by dog before the food go stale.

Didn’t know dogs hibernated.
Every day is a learning day on ‘ere 

[MysteryManNo.7]

That's what I've done, barely punting at all, at least relative to the frequent punts of previous years. I also don't punt overpriced SPs to avoid normalizing high prices. Unfortunately, too many others are willing to pay high prices, but at least I do my part.


As for new SPs, I haven't seen them. Maybe it's in select cities where people were already living close to their means.

Same here. I've never paid more than £150 per hour and never will. There's still plenty of great WGs available at that price or lower.

[petermisc]

Same here. I've never paid more than £150 per hour and never will. There's still plenty of great WGs available at that price or lower.

I have pretty much the same attitude as you (although I am prepared to stretch my limit slightly higher).  However, it is becoming increasingly obvious that I am fishing in an ever smaller pool.

[Silencio]

Sugar baby (without sex) -> selling content (onlyfans etc.) -> sugar baby (with sex) -> selling clothes/underwear -> escorting; seems to be the rough progression, some people skip steps, like if you're really against meeting people or having your identity known, if someone makes enough in one stage they're less likely to progress to the next stage, likewise if you're not attractive enough for a stage (e.g. sugar baby without sex) then you'll have to move to the next stage too

[KeenPunter]

Sugar baby (without sex) -> selling content (onlyfans etc.) -> sugar baby (with sex) -> selling clothes/underwear -> escorting; seems to be the rough progression, some people skip steps, like if you're really against meeting people or having your identity known, if someone makes enough in one stage they're less likely to progress to the next stage, likewise if you're not attractive enough for a stage (e.g. sugar baby without sex) then you'll have to move to the next stage too

What data are you basing this on?

[Bornslippy]

Part of my company deals with business utilities. Many thousands of businesses will be (and currenly are) closing thier doors once the fixed contacts expire. All those employed will be jobless and this could potentially run into the millions. Escorting, only fans etc. are going to be severely hit when people cannot afford to pay their mortgage/heating let alone broadband!
Unless the government step in and do something there are scary times ahead for all industry/proffesions

[Moby Dick]

Part of my company deals with business utilities. Many thousands of businesses will be (and currenly are) closing thier doors once the fixed contacts expire. All those employed will be jobless and this could potentially run into the millions. Escorting, only fans etc. are going to be severely hit when people cannot afford to pay their mortgage/heating let alone broadband!
Unless the government step in and do something there are scary times ahead for all industry/proffesions

+1
This is the bigger concern.
It’s hard enough when living costs increase faster than income, but when companies can’t continue to operate because of cost of energy and materials then try paying for the increased living costs with no income (or reduced income via benefits).
Savings and dreams will soon disappear.
The government will get less tax revenue, pay out more benefits.
Money becomes tight. No investment.
The shit will hit the fan.

[petermisc]

Part of my company deals with business utilities. Many thousands of businesses will be (and currenly are) closing thier doors once the fixed contacts expire. All those employed will be jobless and this could potentially run into the millions. Escorting, only fans etc. are going to be severely hit when people cannot afford to pay their mortgage/heating let alone broadband!
Unless the government step in and do something there are scary times ahead for all industry/proffesions

And when one business fails, and can't pay its debts, that puts further strain on the businesses it owes money to.  If those businesses are already on the brink, they too may fail.  The situation has the potential to escalate quickly.

We are currently in a situation where there is high employment, but that could tip dramatically if the government doesn't do something soon.

[lillythesavage]

And when one business fails, and can't pay its debts, that puts further strain on the businesses it owes money to.  If those businesses are already on the brink, they too may fail.  The situation has the potential to escalate quickly.

We are currently in a situation where there is high employment, but that could tip dramatically if the government doesn't do something soon.

The problem we have is no one is given a chance to do anything before the political and personal battles start.

Every party should be working together in a time of crisis to some extent, but you just know whoever wins the dirt will be dug and we will go through it all again or have a GE and then it will all start again whoever wins.

No wonder young bright people or working class people are put off taking a road in politics, and we are left with those who fill their boots before they get hammered.

[Charliehutton]

The idea of women being forced by poverty into prostitution is a dramatic narrative going back to Dickensian times, and beyond. We, of course, are the villains of the piece; the wicked monsters slaking our depraved lust by exploiting these wretched, unfortunate innocents.

It's all bollocks, of course. Off the top of my head I can recall:

The girl buying a string of buy-to-let properties to allow her to retire at 40.
The girl having a villa built on Majorca.
The part time legal assistant who envied the visible wealth of the qualified solicitors she worked alongside, and worked one day a week in a parlour to bridge the gap.
The part time florist whose earnings from one day a fortnight paid for her soft-top Merc, and her passion for jewellery.

Most of us will have similar anecdotal stories, I'm sure. Poverty my arse. I don't want to sound too cynical, but if 'women are being driven into sex work', some are being driven a damned sight more easily than others.

[Moby Dick]

The idea of women being forced by poverty into prostitution is a dramatic narrative going back to Dickensian times, and beyond. We, of course, are the villains of the piece; the wicked monsters slaking our depraved lust by exploiting these wretched, unfortunate innocents.

It's all bollocks, of course. Off the top of my head I can recall:

The girl buying a string of buy-to-let properties to allow her to retire at 40.
The girl having a villa built on Majorca.
The part time legal assistant who envied the visible wealth of the qualified solicitors she worked alongside, and worked one day a week in a parlour to bridge the gap.
The part time florist whose earnings from one day a fortnight paid for her soft-top Merc, and her passion for jewellery.

Most of us will have similar anecdotal stories, I'm sure. Poverty my arse. I don't want to sound too cynical, but if 'women are being driven into sex work', some are being driven a damned sight more easily than others.

Like most professions there is a wide difference in pay and rewards between the best and worst.
Not every enthusiastic footballer is good enough to play in the premier league, but I can’t think of any that are coerced or trafficked against their will to play football.
Some SPs are doing it to feed their kids or their drug habits, whilst others can afford to invest in the property market. It is their version of a pension.

[Bornslippy]

Just to confirm my previous statement. A large college, who was fixed in utilities for around £450k per annum, is now having to find over £3 million!!! Let that sink in.
What do they do? treble the pupil fees? fees that people won't be able to afford anyway