Is it Just Me or Is UKP Becoming Infiltrated By BB'ers

[RandomGuy99]

It's just you.

As a community we have to protect ourselves and the SPs we see from STis so just do the sensible thing and use a condom.

[hendrix]

I think threads like this are at least very informative as we have Doc and a couple of WG's who will share their perspective/experience. I'd much rather that bb was completely out in the open (forum wise) because it helps inform personal risk decisions. Nobody can know for certain what happens in the room if they're not there. Punt on that basis imo.

[cambsguy]

PREP protects you only for HIV. What about all other other STI's 

There are some nasty ones out there, we are not just talking a simple 5 day course of antibiotics for chlamydia.

As you and others have said 'each to their own / make your own judgement'  but it the blasé attitude that just shocks me TBH

I do find these type of posts quite hypocritical.

No-one bats an eyelid at OWO or RO, or even rimming, yet these are hotbeds of STIs.

HIV is the biggie, virtually impossible to get that from OWO but most other STIs can be transmitted either way. So if you are on PREP then I dont really see the difference.

[Rose_128]

I do find these type of posts quite hypocritical.

No-one bats an eyelid at OWO or RO, or even rimming, yet these are hotbeds of STIs.

HIV is the biggie, virtually impossible to get that from OWO but most other STIs can be transmitted either way. So if you are on PREP then I dont really see the difference.

This one is difficult. Ow market isn't that great, especially in London with so many choices. There are still some risks but overall it's not as risky as barebacking and doesn't spread blood borne diseases as much. It's mainly gonorrhea/chlamydia issue.  But I do worry about things like throat cancer. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future things changed and very few girls offered owo because of that and more and more cases of hpv related throat cancers.

[Thephoenix]

I tell the clinic I suck cock and they always give me throat swabs.

Same here!

[puntingking]

PREP protects you only for HIV. What about all other other STI's 

There are some nasty ones out there, we are not just talking a simple 5 day course of antibiotics for chlamydia.

As you and others have said 'each to their own / make your own judgement' 

all or most of the other STIs can be transmitted from either kissing or owo anyway and As most people on here will not be willing to do oral with a condom as most punters see owo as a must then it is about narrowing the risk.

I have never caught anything before and take tests every 3 or 4 months.

Introduction:
So after a failed attempt to meet between Christmas and New Year, I was in contact with Lilana again in the New Year when she reached out to apologise. I didn't think twice about rebooking.

Obviously I knew this was going to be a GFE and not my normal kink inspired meets, but I was genuinely looking forward to the change.

The Comms:
All confirmed via WhatsApp and another telephone call the day before. All very easy and seamless. 

The Lady (Personality and Looks):
Beautiful TBH. Stated age of 34 correct I would say. Dressed immaculately, casual but sexy with an elegant twist. Lilana is tall, stated 5'9 is bang on. Slim, size 8 I would guess and stunning IMHO.

I knew we would get on from the couple of phone calls we'd had since before Christmas and in person this just was reinforced. Totally genuine personality, fun and playful. You can tell 100% that Lilana wants to have as much fun from the meet as yourself. Liana is interesting, has lived a full and rewarding life outside of escorting and is for the moment using this as a hobby by which to enjoy herself, have fun and re-evaluate where she wants to go/be next as a person.

The Location:
My own home.

The Time:
Lilana had arrived in the vicinity early, like very early and called to say she would just hang around and grab a coffee. I said it wasn't an issue and she could come over, but as I had only just finished my last meeting of the day I would need to shower and change whilst she waited with a glass of wine.

When Lilana arrived her personality just lit up my home. I welcomed her in and we had a chat over a glass of wine before I left her to shower and change.

The next hour (ish) we sat, chatted, flirted, teased each other, laughed and got to know each other over wine and finger food I had prepared during the day. I felt totally at ease, it was like meeting someone you genuinely really wanted to get to know more. The first kiss led to us fooling around on the sofa in front of the burning log burner in the candle lit living room.

It was Lilana who suggested we move upstairs where the fun really started. Those of you that read my reviews will know that I love kink, but I knew this meeting was just going to be a GFE, what I didn't realise was how much of a sublime GFE it was to turn out to be.

The next few hours was non-stop (apart from the natural breaks after orgasm for chat, wine and smoke) haze of two people wanting to, and succeeding in giving each other pleasure. Lilana loves to give pleasure but also expects to be receive it back. Nothing was rushed, we just spent out time slowly exploring each other bodies, massage, touch, DFK and lots of mutual oral and passionate sex. You'll get back what you put in with this fun lady. I believe, genuinely, she came twice. I know I came twice both orally, either side of very passionate sex... that ebbed and flowed from slow tender to quite primal.

Lilana knows how to and seems to really enjoy oral, both giving and receiving. She mixes it up from the very sensual slow approach to really going to town. Me... I loved her taking me slowly but very deeply. Up there is Arlis and Izzy as one of the very best oral provider I have ever had.

This was a very different experience to my normal kind of meets and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Meeting Lilana reinforced the fact that passionate GFE can be the very best kind of meets, she excels at the passionate GFE.

I will 100% meet Lilana again when she is next back in London.

Services:
- Passionate GFE
- DFK (a great kisser)
- OWO (amazing, oral skills)
- DT
- CIM
- Rimming (gives and receives)

Agreed Cost:
3hrs @ £440

Link:
External Link/Members Only

it seems as you like owo as it appears here in a review that you posted.

If you are so concerned at catching anything than either go fully protected or find a new hobby. 

[puntingking]

There will also be punters on here who slam the BB guys but secretly bareback prossies themselves.
Plenty of prossies claim they don't bareback but do either under the counter or to regular clients.

how do you know? 

[puntingking]

. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future things changed and very few girls offered owo because of that and more and more cases of hpv related throat cancers.

i doubt that this would happen. most punters see owo as a must so what i think may and should maybe happen is a negative sti test to show the wg upon arrival. That is properly the most safest way to go about things. Again, privacy may be an issue as some punters dont like wg to know their name and same vice versea.

[Rose_128]

all or most of the other STIs can be transmitted from either kissing or owo anyway and As most people on here will not be willing to do oral with a condom as most punters see owo as a must then it is about narrowing the risk.

I have never caught anything before and take tests every 3 or 4 months.


it seems as you like owo as it appears here in a review that you posted.

If you are so concerned at catching anything than either go fully protected or find a new hobby. 

You can definitely catch stuff from owo. Both giving and receiving. But let's have a tiny little more perspective: if a man comes to see a WG and he has an std there is a 50/50 or a bit less chance she will contract it into her throat. Depending on action ( how long oral took place, how much precum or cim etc. ) It happens but not as often and someone may believe. The mkre volume, the higher the chance of course.
However, the risk of future oral cancer may rise with ton of owo, and I am actively following the news/updates about it.

If a WG has got it in her throat and exposed 10 punters to it then maybe 1-2 will contract std via owo. So most won't get it but some will be unlucky.

Whereas if you bareback you have like 90% catching something as a woman from an infected man, for the man it's a little less but still high enough.

If a wg has got something down below and exposes 10 punters to it I would guess 6-7 people will get it. So the chances are more likely.

You are also more likely to pick up genital warts and herpes with bare contact down below. And hiv, syphilis, Hep C etc etc

[puntingking]

never thought about HPV before but 4 in 5 women will catch it in their lifetime. some strains of hpv can contribute to cancer.

"More than 90 percent of sexually active men and 80 percent of sexually active women will be infected with HPV in their lifetime. Around 50 percent of HPV infections involve certain high-risk types of HPV, which can cause cancer." FROM A ONLINE SOURCE

why don't NHS test for hpv in their sexual health clinics? or do they?

[Rose_128]

i doubt that this would happen. most punters see owo as a must so what i think may and should maybe happen is a negative sti test to show the wg upon arrival. That is properly the most safest way to go about things. Again, privacy may be an issue as some punters dont like wg to know their name and same vice versea.

There is no std test for high risk hpv in men. Not in the U.K.
In women it's only regular cervical screening. What you are saying doesn't make sense. A person can be std free and in monogamous relationship yet still carry a high risk hpv because of past relationships. We are talking about relationships here not punting. I am very surprised at your post. This is why I said that someday if cases or oral and throat cancer rise to the point  of feeling worried, most wgs will scrap it. Maybe?

[Rose_128]

never thought about HPV before but 4 in 5 women will catch it in their lifetime. some strains of hpv can contribute to cancer.

"More than 90 percent of sexually active men and 80 percent of sexually active women will be infected with HPV in their lifetime. Around 50 percent of HPV infections involve certain high-risk types of HPV, which can cause cancer." FROM A ONLINE SOURCE

why don't NHS test for hpv in their sexual health clinics? or do they?

It's only some strains that cause cancer - mainly type 16 and 18 I think and one more. They can be harder to clear. The rest aren't as notable and low risk hpv causes genital warts and not cancer.

[daviemac]

never thought about HPV before but 4 in 5 women will catch it in their lifetime. some strains of hpv can contribute to cancer.

"More than 90 percent of sexually active men and 80 percent of sexually active women will be infected with HPV in their lifetime. Around 50 percent of HPV infections involve certain high-risk types of HPV, which can cause cancer." FROM A ONLINE SOURCE

why don't NHS test for hpv in their sexual health clinics? or do they?

What source?   

[southcoastpunter]

It's only some strains that cause cancer - mainly type 16 and 18 

cause cancer or may cause cancer? ie if you get that type you WILL get cancer or that you MAY get cancer (higher risk of getting it but not certain)?

[puntingking]

What source?   

I could not find the original source as it came up on google and cant seem to find the original site.

but I found something similar:

External Link/Members Only.

External Link/Members Only.

[Rose_128]

You may. They are the types that cause cancer. Sorry if I said will nothing is ever certain, but if you develop oral, penile, cervical cancer then it def came from these strains.

Trouble is the said strains are also harder to clear. And that's down to your own immune system- you have no control over it. So the longer you carry them, the worse. Sometimes it hovers about with mild or moderate, severe cell changes,  and sometimes it develops into cancer. But women can stop this by having routine screening offered free on NHS. For men it's worse, penile cancer isn't very common, but there isn't any testing like in women.

For oral cancer they recommend regular dental check ups because they can check your gums, back of throat, tonsils, tongue etc. especially as a smoker or high risk industry. Cannot be prevented just nipped in the bud, unlike cervical cancer which can actually be prevented with early treatment of dodgy cells ( of the woman attends regular screening every 3 years )

[Rose_128]

You may. They are the types that cause cancer. Sorry if I said will nothing is ever certain, but if you develop oral, penile, cervical cancer then it def came from these strains.

Trouble is the said strains are also harder to clear. And that's down to your own immune system- you have no control over it. So the longer you carry them, the worse. Sometimes it hovers about with mild or moderate, severe cell changes,  and sometimes it develops into cancer. But women can stop this by having routine screening offered free on NHS. For men it's worse, penile cancer isn't very common, but there isn't any testing like in women.

For oral cancer they recommend regular dental check ups because they can check your gums, back of throat, tonsils, tongue etc. especially as a smoker or high risk industry. Cannot be prevented just nipped in the bud, unlike cervical cancer which can actually be prevented with early treatment of dodgy cells ( of the woman attends regular screening every 3 years ).

Having said all the above - it's still only the minority of people who will go on to develop hpv related cancer. At least at the moment.

[Eager Thighs]

It's only some strains that cause cancer - mainly type 16 and 18 I think and one more. They can be harder to clear. The rest aren't as notable and low risk hpv causes genital warts and not cancer.

Thankfully the Gardasil vaccine is now being rolled out to young people which protects against types 16 & 18.

[Rose_128]

Thankfully the Gardasil vaccine is now being rolled out to young people which protects against types 16 & 18.

Yes a good thing in many ways but this is why barebacking and reckless behaviour increased amongst younger people too. Same as Prep etc.

[puntingking]

You may. They are the types that cause cancer. Sorry if I said will nothing is ever certain, but if you develop oral, penile, cervical cancer then it def came from these strains.

Trouble is the said strains are also harder to clear. And that's down to your own immune system- you have no control over it. So the longer you carry them, the worse. Sometimes it hovers about with mild or moderate, severe cell changes,  and sometimes it develops into cancer. But women can stop this by having routine screening offered free on NHS. For men it's worse, penile cancer isn't very common, but there isn't any testing like in women.

For oral cancer they recommend regular dental check ups because they can check your gums, back of throat, tonsils, tongue etc. especially as a smoker or high risk industry. Cannot be prevented just nipped in the bud, unlike cervical cancer which can actually be prevented with early treatment of dodgy cells ( of the woman attends regular screening every 3 years )

I hear what you are saying and it is a scary thought but some bit of comfort comes from the fact that in most cases the immune system sorts out the virus for us.

[Rose_128]

I read somewhere that Gardasil isn't really effective for oral cancers. When it was developed for down below rather than the throat. Someone could shed some more light perhaps.

Dean Street gives Gardail to young gay men but not to escorts. Don't know why. They will say you can get it from GP. It's expensive though and once you have been exposed to a few or a lot of strains there isn't much it can do. Hence given to young school kids.

[jamiekinkxxx]

all or most of the other STIs can be transmitted from either kissing or owo anyway and As most people on here will not be willing to do oral with a condom as most punters see owo as a must then it is about narrowing the risk.

I have never caught anything before and take tests every 3 or 4 months.


it seems as you like owo as it appears here in a review that you posted.

If you are so concerned at catching anything than either go fully protected or find a new hobby. 

Do make you mind up?! 

But yes I do OWO, as do you (I cannot be arsed to cut n paste a review of yours to show it) and many others.

But I think you have misread the whole effing initial piece and my main premise which is all about narrowing the risk (as you put it) and one that most do to achieve that is to educate ourselves on sexual health and not be so blasé about unprotected sex. I too, like you test (in fact I test more regularly than you do) and have never had an STI

[stampjones]

Simple answer is look after your own health 

And despite all the GBs written about the subject on here, that’s really the only thing that’s important.

[scutty brown]

never thought about HPV before but 4 in 5 women will catch it in their lifetime. some strains of hpv can contribute to cancer.

"More than 90 percent of sexually active men and 80 percent of sexually active women will be infected with HPV in their lifetime. Around 50 percent of HPV infections involve certain high-risk types of HPV, which can cause cancer." FROM A ONLINE SOURCE

why don't NHS test for hpv in their sexual health clinics? or do they?

Because it wouldn't be much use doing it
External Link/Members Only

[Doc Holliday]

I think threads like this are at least very informative as we have Doc and a couple of WG's who will share their perspective/experience. I'd much rather that bb was completely out in the open (forum wise) because it helps inform personal risk decisions. Nobody can know for certain what happens in the room if they're not there. Punt on that basis imo.

I keep telling myself not to bother posting again as I am just 'pissing in the wind' and I have generally adhered to this in a lot of the more recent discussions. Then I get drawn in again, usually when I read something inaccurate (which is often). It is all pretty futile though as nothing changes and never will so I will definitely be resisting from now on 

As I have no recent punting experience, I cannot comment first hand on the increased availability, but my suspicion is that the gap between condom use in the civvy situation and sex work has narrowed, but is still largely a relatively small percentage who practice this often with punters. What happens in their private lives is another matter and that is the danger for everyone concerned.

What I can say has changed over 20 years of punting forum experience is that less people are in denial about the situation and burying their head in the sands. Few people were honest and admitted to it .. if they were they were set upon or even banned. Also 20 years ago everyone was told they faced a death sentence and that reality has certainly changed.

I think it is good that a more balanced and open discussion can now take place based on the reality of what is happening out there. I have always advocated tracing someones sexual history across AW etc is something of an inaccurate and not really useful exercise but it won't stop people doing so which is fine. OWO continues to be the 'elephant in the room' in any discussion.

[Strawberry]

never thought about HPV before but 4 in 5 women will catch it in their lifetime. some strains of hpv can contribute to cancer.

"More than 90 percent of sexually active men and 80 percent of sexually active women will be infected with HPV in their lifetime. Around 50 percent of HPV infections involve certain high-risk types of HPV, which can cause cancer." FROM A ONLINE SOURCE

why don't NHS test for hpv in their sexual health clinics? or do they?

The types linked to cervical cancer are tested for as part of cervical cancer screening, mine came back clear 2 smears in a row so either I have never encountered those types of HPV or my immune system has dealt with them. However I still decided to buy the Gardasil vaccine before I turned 45, it is expensive but someone highly pro-vaccination close to me having read a newspaper article about Gardasil offered to pay the fee. So although unlikely to make a difference I received it anyway.

Regards the oral cancer effectiveness I found this in a Google search;

External Link/Members Only

[hendrix]

I keep telling myself not to bother posting again as I am just 'pissing in the wind' and I have generally adhered to this in a lot of the more recent discussions. Then I get drawn in again, usually when I read something inaccurate (which is often). It is all pretty futile though as nothing changes and never will so I will definitely be resisting from now on 

As I have no recent punting experience, I cannot comment first hand on the increased availability, but my suspicion is that the gap between condom use in the civvy situation and sex work has narrowed, but is still largely a relatively small percentage who practice this often with punters. What happens in their private lives is another matter and that is the danger for everyone concerned.

What I can say has changed over 20 years of punting forum experience is that less people are in denial about the situation and burying their head in the sands. Few people were honest and admitted to it .. if they were they were set upon or even banned. Also 20 years ago everyone was told they faced a death sentence and that reality has certainly changed.

I think it is good that a more balanced and open discussion can now take place based on the reality of what is happening out there. I have always advocated tracing someones sexual history across AW etc is something of an inaccurate and not really useful exercise but it won't stop people doing so which is fine. OWO continues to be the 'elephant in the room' in any discussion.

Yep, I've had gonorrhea from deep throat owo. Never caught anything from all the riskier activities I did in the late 90's/early 00's

[puntingking]

The types linked to cervical cancer are tested for as part of cervical cancer screening, mine came back clear 2 smears in a row so either I have never encountered those types of HPV or my immune system has dealt with them. However I still decided to buy the Gardasil vaccine before I turned 45, it is expensive but someone highly pro-vaccination close to me having read a newspaper article about Gardasil offered to pay the fee. So although unlikely to make a difference I received it anyway.

Regards the oral cancer effectiveness I found this in a Google search;

External Link/Members Only

good to hear.

[Rose_128]

Yep, I've had gonorrhea from deep throat owo. Never caught anything from all the riskier activities I did in the late 90's/early 00's

I think it all boils down to luck. You can bareback with 3 different people and if they don't happen to have an std at that time, then you obviously won't get anything.

You can then go and shove your cock into someone's throat who happens to have oral gonorrhea or chlamydia and pick it up despite the odds being on the lower side.

I have also been unlucky over the years and picked up oral gonorrhea/ chlamydia despite being just a normal gfe. Cim no cim didn't make that much difference overall. Each time I found out I felt devastated for myself and my clients but over the time you just have to take it on the chin, suppress tears and handle it professionally and hope people will react well when asked to get themselves checked. At least when it's in the throat it doesn't expand anywhere, doesn't damage the lining, it's not like cancer. Some people even clear it themselves as the throat isn't the right long term host but as a provider you just need to get treated so you can work again.

But yeah. Having said that it really doesn't happen often. Not at all and who knows how many times you may be exposed to it via owo and still don't catch it. Maybe most of the time?

[hendrix]

I think it all boils down to luck. You can bareback with 3 different people and if they don't happen to have an std at that time, then you obviously won't get anything.

You can then go and shove your cock into someone's throat who happens to have oral gonorrhea or chlamydia and pick it up despite the odds being on the lower side.

I have also been unlucky over the years and picked up oral gonorrhea/ chlamydia despite being just a normal gfe. Cim no cim didn't make that much difference overall. Each time I found out I felt devastated for myself and my clients but over the time you just have to take it on the chin, suppress tears and handle it professionally and hope people will react well when asked to get themselves checked. At least when it's in the throat it doesn't expand anywhere, doesn't damage the lining, it's not like cancer. Some people even clear it themselves as the throat isn't the right long term host but as a provider you just need to get treated so you can work again.

But yeah. Having said that it really doesn't happen often. Not at all and who knows how many times you may be exposed to it via owo and still don't catch it. Maybe most of the time?

Yeah this is key. I really appreciated the WG letting me know (before I got the anonymous text) so I could arrange a test/treatment urgently.

I like DT style owo and that's the riskiest type of owo from what I can gather, and despite the rare bit of bad luck I've had with it, it's an acceptable risk for me personally. I'm glad that conversations around the whole subject are at least more open nowadays. We're all adults.

[Rose_128]

I believe some SPs would never admit catching std via owo because they worry they will be blacklisted, lose their regulars or just feel too upset to discuss it, but I don't see any shame in this because nobody would deliberately give anyone an std. Even when you test monthly, you can still pick it up a few days after your regular testing and carry it until the next testing. Or some kind soul will actually let you know so you can stop working and get yourself tested asap ( even before the usual test is due ).

If you offer owo ( and London is a strong owo market ), someone may visit you with an std, they usually don't know they have got it because maybe they saw someone else only a few days ago and are still within the incubation period and therefore don't have any symptoms yet, but are already contagious. The bacteria can also live around urethra and can travel into the throat upon contact. You also cannot tell by just naked eye, you would have to be a lab worker with a microscope. Nobody would turn up to see you with a green discharge. Sometimes all people can get is burning upon peeing and think it's just a soap irritation etc and carry on punting. I can also say that most of the times clients don't catch it via owo. So that's why I said the stats will be a lot lower than barebacking.

[akauya]

I keep telling myself not to bother posting again as I am just 'pissing in the wind' and I have generally adhered to this in a lot of the more recent discussions. Then I get drawn in again, usually when I read something inaccurate (which is often). It is all pretty futile though as nothing changes and never will so I will definitely be resisting from now on 

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[jamiekinkxxx]

Yeah this is key. I really appreciated the WG letting me know (before I got the anonymous text) so I could arrange a test/treatment urgently.

I like DT style owo and that's the riskiest type of owo from what I can gather, and despite the rare bit of bad luck I've had with it, it's an acceptable risk for me personally. I'm glad that conversations around the whole subject are at least more open nowadays. We're all adults.

Alas Hendrix, some are not as much as others and I just don't get it 

[Iceman90]

I treat every girl as if they bareback and take minimal risk. I don’t even do OWO anymore. There’s always a risk of HPV or herpes with skin on skin contact but the odds are very low.

[RadioKid]

I remember a while back there was an outcry regarding a certain auto-censored - I visited one out of Curiosity and was surprised as to how indifferent they were to STD's and taking drugs to prevent/Tackle HIV.

Surprisingly many of them admitted to being members on UKP but obviously keeping it hush hush.

And with the occasional news piece on rampant and untreatable STD crisis in the UK - it really shouldn't have surprised me how many guys are open to BB.... I was still however shocked.

It's quite sobering how so many are extra careful as to not let this hobby destroy their marriage, family and children.... Yet on the other end some people are happy to catch anything and treat it ad hoc.

[PumpDump]

I agree with DavieMac that it is better it is out in the open so everyone knows where they stand. I also agree with scutty brown in that it presents an opportunity to educate. From my POV it is good to educate the members who balk at bareback and then go on to practice OWO and RO thinking it is risk free.

We all have our own risky limits. When I started punting I was scared shitless and wouldn't even take off a condom for oral. I really do believe risks from sex are overexaggerated by conservative religious types who are opposed to all things related to sexual enjoyment and are venomously opposed to prostitution and pornography.

[Plan R]

Seeing this thread I just did a search on my massive hotlist which has just grown over the years of occasional browsing and never been weeded out..
Search terms were
Is in my hotlist/favourites
Likes Bareback

Out of a cast of hundreds it returned 4 
Never met any of em, they couldn't have had bareback ticked when I added them  and instantly deleted them - but bl00dy hell !

Largely out of date anyway I probably should just bin the list and start again.

[Jujy78]

Can I make the mistake of asking why barebackers are so frowned upon here. Surely it's between the WG and the punter. Now I don't promote BB but in my 20s I once went with the flow and went in without a cap. I was young and naive and just carried on. My point is there are loads of WG that won't advertise BB but if you did it they might not say no. How do you know your not seeing someone that does BB? Surely as long as you know your wearing protection your ok?

[Atrueyorkie]

Can I make the mistake of asking why barebackers are so frowned upon here. Surely it's between the WG and the punter. Now I don't promote BB but in my 20s I once went with the flow and went in without a cap. I was young and naive and just carried on. My point is there are loads of WG that won't advertise BB but if you did it they might not say no. How do you know your not seeing someone that does BB? Surely as long as you know your wearing protection your ok?

Risk mitigation. Simple as that.

A lot of those who bb carry a stigma of being careless/carefree with their sexual health.

Some do UTC (under the cover), and that can affect the next punter going in who unwittingly sleeps with the WG that does bb utc.

Some are Asymptotic, so you or whoever doing bb can unknowingly sometimes just pass it on.

I think it’s unsafe, especially not even to pass over the fact I  don’t know the quantity of people that WG has seen in the past day, week, let alone month.

You only get one body in this life.

It’s really simple, those who sympathise just appear to be looking to conjure up support in my view. It’s not wise on the grand scale.

I’d rather lower any health risks by visiting a WG that I know doesn’t bb.

[davey.edwards1969]

A couple of years ago I saw a profile I liked so contacted the girl
Her profile was vanilla but she did say to contact her as she did " a lot of other fun things for extra"
When I asked her what " other fun things" and how much she replied with this

" I do bareback pussy for £10 extra - anal for £50 extra
If you pay the £50 you can go bare in both my holes as I won't charge you the extra £10 for bare "

How bat shit crazy is that. 

Risking everything for an extra tenner - madness

[scutty brown]

A couple of years ago I saw a profile I liked so contacted the girl
Her profile was vanilla but she did say to contact her as she did " a lot of other fun things for extra"
When I asked her what " other fun things" and how much she replied with this

" I do bareback pussy for £10 extra - anal for £50 extra
If you pay the £50 you can go bare in both my holes as I won't charge you the extra £10 for bare "

How bat shit crazy is that. 

Risking everything for an extra tenner - madness

Some realities you've not considered
1) She may already be infected, so BB poses minimal additional risk
2) Her life may be so chaotic that she need cash now to pay for drugs / food / booze / kids clothes........in other words survive now, worry about consequences when she can afford to
3) Never underestimate the ability of domineering boyfriends / partners / pimps to induce women to work exploitatively in dangerous and insane circumstances. If she thinks she's in love, she may do anything to perpetuate that false relationship

[berksboy]

What does UTC stand for?
UTC stands for Under the Counter

[Steely Dan]

Can I make the mistake of asking why barebackers are so frowned upon here. Surely it's between the WG and the punter.

I thought perhaps that after the pandemic that people would know more about R and virus and bacteria transmission and so on. It seems not.

Say my condom fails to protect me 2% of the time.  If she is clean it does not matter.  If she has an STI I don't want, then it does matter.  So I am better off if she has no STI.  And if you have no STI, and if STIs do not spread around.

It is not just between WG and punter.  Ok decision-wise, of course it is.  You are grown ups and legally can do what you want.  But I wish you wouldn't.  Like it or not, we are all part of the same herd.

(and also from pandemic, remember Alpha, Delta and Omicron?  The more COVID spread, the more it got stronger versus treatment.  Barebackers help create resistant STIs.  One herd.)

[daviemac]

Can I make the mistake of asking why barebackers are so frowned upon here. Surely it's between the WG and the punter. Now I don't promote BB but in my 20s I once went with the flow and went in without a cap. I was young and naive and just carried on. My point is there are loads of WG that won't advertise BB but if you did it they might not say no. How do you know your not seeing someone that does BB? Surely as long as you know your wearing protection your ok?

Can I ask why you haven't posted any reviews during your time as a member? 

[Jujy78]

I've done my first review. I was just wary and didn't like to leave my footprint behind lol but I thought now sod it I will start putting reviews. Coming back to the topic thank you for enlightening me above regarding STIs. The thing is as I said some WG don't advertise BB and even have 'no never don't ask', but I bet if you just went in some wouldn't say no. I've been punting for 25 plus years and it's happened to me twice when I've slipped it in and she's allowed me too. Stupid me just carried on due to the excitement. Believe me I really do regret it later. It does make me wonder how many WG just allow it or allow it once you're a regular. You're right life is precious and not worth risking it.

[MissWolf]

I've done my first review. I was just wary and didn't like to leave my footprint behind lol but I thought now sod it I will start putting reviews. Coming back to the topic thank you for enlightening me above regarding STIs. The thing is as I said some WG don't advertise BB and even have 'no never don't ask', but I bet if you just went in some wouldn't say no. I've been punting for 25 plus years and it's happened to me twice when I've slipped it in and she's allowed me too. Stupid me just carried on due to the excitement. Believe me I really do regret it later. It does make me wonder how many WG just allow it or allow it once you're a regular. You're right life is precious and not worth risking it.

Just to say that this bit in bold is a non consensual sexual act and technically classifies as rape.

I can tell you now if you were in a booking with me and you 'just went in bare' you would get a serious shock, you would be out of me and out of the room faster than you could say sorry and a NUM and CE report would follow before you got your car started.

[PumpDump]

Just to say that this bit in bold is a non consensual sexual act and technically classifies as rape.

I can tell you now if you were in a booking with me and you 'just went in bare' you would get a serious shock, you would be out of me and out of the room faster than you could say sorry and a NUM and CE report would follow before you got your car started.

Don't be such a drama queen. His full quote was "I've slipped it in and she's allowed me too". From this I take it he gave her ample opportunity to tell him no and would have stopped if she didn't want him to. Despite all the bullshit posted here is it nigh on impossible to accidentally go in bare or without the lady knowing about it.

[southcoastpunter]

Don't be such a drama queen. His full quote was "I've slipped it in and she's allowed me too". From this I take it he gave her ample opportunity to tell him no and would have stopped if she didn't want him to. Despite all the bullshit posted here is it nigh on impossible to accidentally go in bare or without the lady knowing about it.

so you think its ok to: do it anyway and only stop if she tells you to, rather than ask BEFORE you do it? 

[MissWolf]

Don't be such a drama queen. His full quote was "I've slipped it in and she's allowed me too". From this I take it he gave her ample opportunity to tell him no and would have stopped if she didn't want him to. Despite all the bullshit posted here is it nigh on impossible to accidentally go in bare or without the lady knowing about it.

I am many things, drama queen is not one of them 

We are all fully aware you are an advocate of BB and you seek it out, that is your choice. I'm aware of his full quote,  it doesn't mitigate the section I highlighted in any way, what he is suggesting is non consensual sexual contact and that in a court of law is rape.

I'm merely pointing that fact out to him so he doesn't get himself embroiled in something he can't explain to the wife 

[MissWolf]

so you think its ok to: do it anyway and only stop if she tells you to, rather than ask BEFORE you do it?

This issue with this approach is that in the moment the girl may feel unable to stop someone for safety reasons, just because they don't stop you doesn't mean they want it