When is BB not BB?

[Ridiculousiknow]

I've read a few reviews that have mentioned things which means that your dick briefly touches her pussy in some way and its always put forward as a positive thing to do. I read one tonight about a B2B masseur I was thinking of seeing:

"Although there is normally no penetration she will lay you on your back, hold your penis flat to your belly and slide her pussy along your shaft while gently fingering the bell end. Always a glorious sight."

Glorious sight it maybe, but isn't it bareback? I know the crucial bits may avoid direct contact but you'd have to be a pretty skilled operator to guarantee it. To me its BB and so a pretty blond english masseuse goes on the same blacklist as the Roms that openly tout it. Am I being over cautious?

[Blackpool Rock]

No your stance sounds like the safe one to me though i'm guessing the skin is thicker on your shaft that bell end etc so less risk but if the girl is doing that with you then what is she doing with a regular etc 

[myothernameis]

What happens to the girl, hen she doing this, and as her pussy glides over your penis-head, you come, and thrust forward, shooting your load inside her, your penis hasn't gone inside her pussy, but you have more or less come inside of her

[NIK]

Don’t put your bare knob anywhere near a pussy.
At the very least she is bound to get pregnant and in the worst scenario your todger will drop off! 

At least according to some ridiculous scare merchants. 

[vw]

I've read a few reviews that have mentioned things which means that your dick briefly touches her pussy in some way and its always put forward as a positive thing to do. I read one tonight about a B2B masseur I was thinking of seeing:

"Although there is normally no penetration she will lay you on your back, hold your penis flat to your belly and slide her pussy along your shaft while gently fingering the bell end. Always a glorious sight."

Glorious sight it maybe, but isn't it bareback? I know the crucial bits may avoid direct contact but you'd have to be a pretty skilled operator to guarantee it. To me its BB and so a pretty blond english masseuse goes on the same blacklist as the Roms that openly tout it. Am I being over cautious?

still catch the clap that way without the pleasure, seems even more pointless

[smiths]

I've read a few reviews that have mentioned things which means that your dick briefly touches her pussy in some way and its always put forward as a positive thing to do. I read one tonight about a B2B masseur I was thinking of seeing:

"Although there is normally no penetration she will lay you on your back, hold your penis flat to your belly and slide her pussy along your shaft while gently fingering the bell end. Always a glorious sight."

Glorious sight it maybe, but isn't it bareback? I know the crucial bits may avoid direct contact but you'd have to be a pretty skilled operator to guarantee it. To me its BB and so a pretty blond english masseuse goes on the same blacklist as the Roms that openly tout it. Am I being over cautious?

All very simple to me, I don't rub or put my bare cock near a WGs pussy, its not rocket science.

[Ridiculousiknow]

The most bizarre thing of all is that the guy doing the original review was there for a he massage, which surely you do instead of a full punt to either a). Reduce guilt or b). Reduce chances of catching something. To do what she does in my mind means you have an increased chance of catching something serious. You're actually safer having a full on punt with a condom. 

[Bogof60]

Must say this has puzzled me as well.
If she only rubs her pussy on the shaft then is it any different to the base of the cock not being covered by the condom when balls deep.
I know there can be a bit of paranoia about this but again is it any different to touching your cock with the same hand that has been fingering her.

[mikexxlong]

bodily fluids pass on infections and all the rest of it,

so getting someone else's bodily fluids on yourself especially on genitals, in/on eyes or an open cut/wound etc
by whatever means including via your own fingers ,increases the risk of catching something period

obviously BB a pro$$ie up the arse is far riskier than the slapper rubbing her money maker up & down your leg
just be careful use common sense and weigh up the risks and what risks are you willing to take and also live with any of the potential consequences

[myothernameis]

Must say this has puzzled me as well.
If she only rubs her pussy on the shaft then is it any different to the base of the cock not being covered by the condom when balls deep.
I know there can be a bit of paranoia about this but again is it any different to touching your cock with the same hand that has been fingering her.

Think I read the same review as the op, or different one, but the person getting the massage was get a body to body, and the girl was rubbing her pussy on his shaft, and he felt she was getting of on the, it was what happened next, before he knew his cock-head was entering her pussy, and by the looks of it she was going to continue, so he had to stop her.... a few more seconds and he would have been fully in and fucking her bareback

[Bogof60]

Sensible post above.

[Horizontal pleasures]

I've read a few reviews that have mentioned things which means that your dick briefly touches her pussy in some way and its always put forward as a positive thing to do. I read one tonight about a B2B masseur I was thinking of seeing:

"Although there is normally no penetration she will lay you on your back, hold your penis flat to your belly and slide her pussy along your shaft while gently fingering the bell end. Always a glorious sight."

Glorious sight it maybe, but isn't it bareback? I know the crucial bits may avoid direct contact but you'd have to be a pretty skilled operator to guarantee it. To me its BB and so a pretty blond english masseuse goes on the same blacklist as the Roms that openly tout it. Am I being over cautious?

link please

[mrhappypants]

I can’t talk to the others but I do know a bit about AIDS. Before I share the following I should say I am not a doctor or any kind of expert.  I briefly dated a researcher who was looking at the spread of HIV. 

The specific issue with HIV as I understand it is that blood to blood contact is very much more likely to lead to transmission.  This is why unprotected anal sex, with the associated risk of tissue tearing and bleeding, is extremely risky and unprotected vaginal sex also carries significant (but much lower) risk.  The Virus is present in semen (lower contractions) and other body fluids.  Saliva and gastric juices kill the virus so there is little or no risk from oral sex.

Dinosaurs like me remembe4 the three groups who first saw the spread of aids were intravenous drug users, gays who practiced anal sex and people who used infected blood products.  I heard it said that if you were heterosexual, did not inject drugs or use blood products, and were not a sex worker and your partner was also not in those categories, you were more likely to drown in the bath than contract aids. 

The messages around safe sex are very conservative.  Personally I believe there is quite a lot of morality dressed as science in this area activiely prosecuted by the medical profession.  But this said, I use a condom.

[Ridiculousiknow]

link please

External Link/Members Only or https://www.adultwork.com/English%2DChelsea

[Ridiculousiknow]

I can’t talk to the others but I do know a bit about AIDS. Before I share the following I should say I am not a doctor or any kind of expert.  I briefly dated a researcher who was looking at the spread of HIV. 

The specific issue with HIV as I understand it is that blood to blood contact is very much more likely to lead to transmission.  This is why unprotected anal sex, with the associated risk of tissue tearing and bleeding, is extremely risky and unprotected vaginal sex also carries significant (but much lower) risk.  The Virus is present in semen (lower contractions) and other body fluids.  Saliva and gastric juices kill the virus so there is little or no risk from oral sex.

Dinosaurs like me remembe4 the three groups who first saw the spread of aids were intravenous drug users, gays who practiced anal sex and people who used infected blood products.  I heard it said that if you were heterosexual, did not inject drugs or use blood products, and were not a sex worker and your partner was also not in those categories, you were more likely to drown in the bath than contract aids. 

The messages around safe sex are very conservative.  Personally I believe there is quite a lot of morality dressed as science in this area activiely prosecuted by the medical profession.  But this said, I use a condom.

Whilst I completely agree with you, I suppose the point of me originally posting is the fact that he had taken the 'safe option' and ironically then put himself at a higher risk. Furthermore if I decide to take the same 'low risk' option with this girl then unbeknown to me it would actually have been a 'high risk' one.
Unfortunately many STIs can be contracted by saliva, pre-cum etc which means she could easily have got something from a previous client and given it to our reviewer (or me) by doing what she does. As some posters are quick to point out we all take a risk when we punt and to elevaluate whether that risk is worth taking or not we need to have the facts. If you BB a Romanian you should not be surprised if you get something but I supposed I'm pissed off because I seriously thought that going to see an English girl for a hand job was as risk free as anything could be, but apparently not.

[Kev40ish]

Whilst I completely agree with you, I suppose the point of me originally posting is the fact that he had taken the 'safe option' and ironically then put himself at a higher risk. Furthermore if I decide to take the same 'low risk' option with this girl then unbeknown to me it would actually have been a 'high risk' one.
Unfortunately many STIs can be contracted by saliva, pre-cum etc which means she could easily have got something from a previous client and given it to our reviewer (or me) by doing what she does. As some posters are quick to point out we all take a risk when we punt and to elevaluate whether that risk is worth taking or not we need to have the facts. If you BB a Romanian you should not be surprised if you get something but I supposed I'm pissed off because I seriously thought that going to see an English girl for a hand job was as risk free as anything could be, but apparently not.

I personally think that this hobby is not for you then. You don’t know what they get upto in their personal life or with other Punters. I think the only safe option for you, if your that pissed off is just have a wank, at least you know where your hand has been.

All any of us can do is try to mitigate the risk to ourselves

[ruffler]

I actually think the Roms speak BB as OWO ???

not that id risk my health on this opinion

Thoughts ?

R

[Kev40ish]

I actually think the Roms speak BB as OWO ???

not that id risk my health on this opinion

Thoughts ?

R

No that is just not true at all. They or their Pimps know what they are offering.

296 Romanians list BB
Of these 226 list both B.B. and Unprotected Sex.

Whether they actually do it, I don’t know but they certainly know what their offering.

[Ridiculousiknow]

I personally think that this hobby is not for you then. You don’t know what they get upto in their personal life or with other Punters. I think the only safe option for you, if your that pissed off is just have a wank, at least you know where your hand has been.

All any of us can do is try to mitigate the risk to ourselves

Yeah, thanks for the advice, I'll continue to partake, but I will now look at massages slightly differently.

[Blackpool Rock]

I personally think that this hobby is not for you then. You don’t know what they get upto in their personal life or with other Punters. I think the only safe option for you, if your that pissed off is just have a wank, at least you know where your hand has been.

All any of us can do is try to mitigate the risk to ourselves

I disagree as he saw a massage provider to reduce the risk but encountered a rogue provider in the same was as any of us could turn up to see an escort who doesn't list BB but she then offers it once you get there.

As you say all any of us can do is mitigate the risk but he already tried to do this, I don't want to get run over by a car but still have to cross the road unless I decide never to leave the house which isn't realistic

[myothernameis]

Think I read the same review as the op, or different one, but the person getting the massage was get a body to body, and the girl was rubbing her pussy on his shaft, and he felt she was getting of on the, it was what happened next, before he knew his cock-head was entering her pussy, and by the looks of it she was going to continue, so he had to stop her.... a few more seconds and he would have been fully in and fucking her bareback

Found the thread in question, which is in relation to the Sensual/erotic/tantric massage  thread

Sabrina/Sara - External Link/Members Only

Both are running a similar add for Cathcart, already discussed on this thread. I'm guessing Sara has retired...I phoned the number on Sara's add, whoever I spoke to had that Oriental accent, but sounded a bit old(?), anyway got a price of £50 for 60 minutes, booked and got the address via text.

I spotted the bed in the photo on the add, so knew extras would be on offer.

Drove over, and phoned to say I'd arrived, was given the buzzer number and headed upstairs. But it wasn't a Thai woman waiting behind the door, as it transpired it was the Sabrina (link above), who says she's Spanish on the ad, but says she's from Brazil when you ask her.

I really debated walking when I asked HER how much I needed to pay. She hits out £90 for the hour or £60 for the half-hour.

I said, I thought I was seeing Sara, she replied, oh she's not here just now, which I'm fairly sure was bollocks. Anyway, again, was thinking of walking, but had the horn, so paid £60 for 30 minutes body-to-body.

Sabrina's been written about here before, and I'd read the reviews so figured the service might be top notch, even if she's a heavy girl, heavily made-up.

Off the with kit, onto the double-bed while she got the oil heated up. Then she started the massage part on my legs, and right away I thought "ooer", as my foot was now pressing against her thigh and her skin was very soft and smooth (which I'm a sucker for).

Anyway, reasonable leg massage ensued, before she moved on my arms. I had a look around and she was naked, very tanned and yes - overweight, but not in an off-putting way; nice big heavy breasts with proud dark nipples. I immediately flopped over onto my back for a feel of them, and she laughed and asked if I still wanted a massage. No, I didn't.

She oiled my front up, then properly straddled me. I was only semi-hard at this point, but normally B2B girls have either their legs in-between yours, or they straddle one of your thighs. She proceeded to grind down on my pubic bone, massive breasts in my face (the nipples of which got a good sucking), before eventually moving my hard on up flat against my belly, still grinding on me.

Throughout this she was all about the eye contact...

She then asked if I wanted a blow job, I said, is it extra? Yes, she said. No, I said.

She climbed off me to get more oil and this time I got a look at her cracking ass - looks amazing when she's bent over. I got up onto my knees and stroked down her pussy lips from behind; soaking wet. She put more hot oil on my cock, then I told her I wanted to see that ass again, so she turned away, got on her knees and thrust it back at me. She tried to stop me reaching around to circle her clit, saying that's extra, but I replied, "but you love it, look how wet you are".

This is where it got slightly scary, as she reached back with her right hand to grab my cock and angled it down between her ass cheeks, slowly stroking me with a tight grip, while my right arm was snaked around her, hand on her left breast, left hand on her clit. Why slightly scary? I was getting more and more turned on, I could tell she was, and my cock was in her hand very close to her pussy from behind.

There was a lot of that weird chemical thing you both get when you're really turned on, and I had to take my cock away from her just in case...Anyway, being that super turned on it didn't take me long to blow a load onto her ass cheek.

Cleaned up.

As I was getting dressed I asked her, "did I slip inside for a second?", she guffawed and replied, "no! Are you crazy?!".

TL;DR

£60 for 30 minutes B2B with very intense mutual masturbation session with a curvy foreign woman. Would I recommend? There's fuck all else in this category in Glasgow at the moment. Would I return? Yeah, probably try for a free blow job next time...

[RogerBoner]

I actually think the Roms speak BB as OWO ???

I think that there is still some confusion with non-British speaking WGs and pimps. I've said "No condom"  when handing over the money and she tried to stuff it in Bareback until I explained and then received CIM.

Another similar scenario to the OP where a punt started with her laying on me massaging my bell end with her pussy lips. I'm certain that it entered her by an inch before I pushed her off. Minutes later we were in a spooning position and she reached around to stick it uncovered up her bottom. I reviewed this on UKP. Days later her friend in the same touring group started crying when I refused BB. She said it was boyfriend sex.

The WGs should take responsibility for this because it's difficult to remember Plato's Dialogues when your rock hard boner is approaching the gates of paradise.

[Horizontal pleasures]

When is BB not BB?
When it is bait and switch. You think you have booked a barebacker and it is someone else.