WG Putting Prices Up

[AnthG]

Almost is quite different to actually doubling your rate.

£80 is a big jump but it still isn’t double.

Right, but you are the one that said they'd just increase it by £30 at most. An £80 jump is a lot more than that and much closer to my estimate than yours.

Don’t be ridiculous, how many escorts go from £120 to £240 an hour? More like £120 to £150 which isn’t double.

My point still stands. I cannot believe with this forum existing so punters can see what is on offer and that pricing does not make any difference that punters are arguing here on the rights of WGs to up their prices and to just happily pay it.

Don't do it. The whole argument being made is it's being upped due to extremely high demand. If you lower the demand the price will not stay high.

In the north east, punters kicked off at a planned unanimous price hike that WGs were planning on doing via whatsapp. The result after we kicked off. They didn't do it. They were literally all planning on a whatsapp group chat to all up their prices unanimously and literally said if we all raise it together, punters will all pay it as they will have to.

We kicked off on this forum big style about that plan. And the WGs didn't do it. Remember that always. Its a true story.

[Mallow841]

Right, but you are the one that said they'd just increase it by £30 at most. An £80 jump is a lot more than that and much closer to my estimate than yours.

My point still stands. I cannot believe with this forum existing so punters can see what is on offer and that pricing does not make any difference that punters are arguing here on the rights of WGs to up their prices and to just happily pay it.

Don't do it. The whole argument being made is it's being upped due to extremely high demand. If you lower the demand the price will not stay high.

In the north east, punters kicked off at a planned unanimous price hike that WGs were planning on doing via whatsapp. The result after we kicked off. They didn't do it. They were literally all planning on a whatsapp group chat to all up their prices unanimously and literally said if we all raise it together, punters will all pay it as they will have to.

We kicked off on this forum big style about that plan. And the WGs didn't do it. Remember that always. Its a true story.

I didn’t say they’d increase it at £30 at most.
I was giving an example to price increases I have seen.
I notice the quote you added said £120 - £200 gradually, not instantly.

As much as we don’t like price increases in any form of service. WG’s and service providers alike can charge what they choose, we can choose to pay it or we don’t.

The NE is quite different to the rest of the UK.
That wouldn’t happen in London and you know it. The NE is ruled by agencies they keep the prices low no doubt.

[AnthG]

The NE is quite different to the rest of the UK.
That wouldn’t happen in London and you know it. The NE is ruled by agencies they keep the prices low no doubt.

It is different from London. But it is not so different from most other regions in the UK. There is no reason to book any WG who ups her prices. It is the most self-destructive thing a punter can do. Happily pay a price rise for no reason when they can just book someone else just as good.

[Mallow841]

It is different from London. But it is not so different from most other regions in the UK. There is no reason to book any WG who ups her prices. It is the most self-destructive thing a punter can do. Happily pay a price rise for no reason when they can just book someone else just as good.

A punters reasoning for booking anyone is their choice really.
I look at some WG’s with lots of feedback and I do wonder “Why the fuck would anyone pay that” but their choice, still.

[OakTree]

I think there’s more to it than just girls putting up their prices because punters will pay it. I think the sugar daddy phenomenon is coming into play. If a girl is getting a couple of grand a month regular income of just one punter (she may have two or three sugar daddy’s) then run of the mill punting will be merely extra pin money. She’ll throw the price and even if she gets half the interest she was at lower prices, she’s still making.

Personally I don’t blame them, I don’t like it but they’re in it to make money. They have a finite life as a WG so they’re going to make as much as they can.

[hungrypunt]

Doesnt worry me, if I fancy it and can afford it Ill pay it If not ........NEXT.

Im in business and always don't charge what the next cheapest competitor is. They are cheap for a reason mostly.

[Moby Dick]

This thread seems to be going on and on.
Some difference in opinions.

As per my reply#2
Put any links to “Piss taking Price” Profiles in your regional thread.
WG May read them, if they ain’t busy they may drop their prices. Worth a moan.
For me it helps me think with me brain rather than my cock.
Sort of a reality check, or UKP community check, although I am sorely tempted to splash out an extra £100 on one or two, but nah for now I will just stay with regs and gangbangs until they try and put their prices up.

Prices do vary around the country and some WG tour (especially to London) to take advantage of punters that pay. However I have noticed a worrying trend of touring WG coming to the NW advertising “London” rates and also read several reviews and comments from UKP members saying what GVFM the WG up in the North are. WG check what other WG charge, and read reviews and guess what prices go up!
Encouraging price increase is not what this site is about.

[mh]

The market will decide what rate is "correct" (sustainable) for each area and each provider in that area depending on supply and demand and often it won't properly reflect the quality of service.

The sex work industry clearly isn't an economically fully transparent market but sites like this one and - seriously - even AW are changing that.

I know a few girls want to 'take a stand' against these rising rates because they have loyal regs who could no longer afford to see them, but at what point do you start feeling green because you have XYZ less per-month than Slack-Off Sally down the road?

I thought the usual complaint was that the market was flooded with cheap alternatives pushing prices down! Anyway, who is stopping you charging regulars whatever rate you like?

Rather than "feeling green" about what Slack-Off Sally is earning, why not do what every business or sole trader does - work out why the competition is able to charge a higher amount. Is it advertising, availability, services?

Or stick with your existing rate to keep your custom at the level you want, whether that be one punter a day or 10. 

[unclepokey]

The tipping point certainly comes when a client's 'regular' puts up her prices. When that happens to me I truly have to think very hard and often am driven to decide to seek different SPs who provide for my needs at lower prices.
The savvy women keep regular clients on their existing terms (unless of course they want rid of them).
The non savvy woman can't for the life of her remember what she last charged a particular regular so thus often either relies on what he says or risks loosing that business.
The paid for sex business is in many ways a perfect market in economic terms. But like all markets may depend to a degree on historic data like, in this case, "What did I charge Mr x last time?"

UP

[rockharders]

I see a lot of decent girls start off at affordable prices (say £60-70 30mins, £100-120 1h London rate), after a few years and with steady clientele under their belt they raise? When they raise as high as agency rates or more, I simply stop seeing them but theres always going to be guys who are less price sensitive.

If they can earn 30-40% more per booking from these suckers then why not?

This is why I scout out VFM girls, if they give a good service then I'll keep seeing them until they jack up the prices or disappear off the rader, which pretty much happens sooner or later.

[Drayki]

We could all organise a strike for a week and wait til the prices drop?   

+1 I’ve said this loads of times  but I don’t think a week is long enough... I’d say a month and lets see what happens

Then you’d need every member of ukp on board to carry it out, but I can’t see that happening

[AnthG]

Then you’d need every member of ukp on board to carry it out, but I can’t see that happening

You don't need every, just a reasonable proportion.

If a WG gets 5 bookings a day guaranteed. And it drops down to one or two a day. She soon starts taking notice over why.

I honestly think, in my strong opinion punters should be a lot more strict and stringent on reviews for more expensive girls.

As in what would be an okay level positive review at £100 an hour. Is thus a Neutral or negative at £150 an hour. If the girl wants to charge more. She should offer a hell of a lot more bang for buck. And most don't. And thus if she wants to charge £150 an hour or more. Anything less than you walking out of that booking wanting to scream up into the sky saying "thank you god for what you've just gave me". Don't reward her with a good reviews.

[Mallow841]

I think there’s more to it than just girls putting up their prices because punters will pay it. I think the sugar daddy phenomenon is coming into play. If a girl is getting a couple of grand a month regular income of just one punter (she may have two or three sugar daddy’s) then run of the mill punting will be merely extra pin money. She’ll throw the price and even if she gets half the interest she was at lower prices, she’s still making.

Personally I don’t blame them, I don’t like it but they’re in it to make money. They have a finite life as a WG so they’re going to make as much as they can.

Good points in regards to sugar daddy arrangements and it’s popularity.

I agree with your post.

[Boomerang17]

I agree with your point about not paying increased prices but your point I responded to was about greed.

Is it greed for anyone to want to work less for the same money or work the same amount for more money? If it is I think you'd have to class the majority of the population as greedy.

If i could almost double my earnings for the same amount of hours in the same job id jump at the chance. Im nowhere near greedy but it would be insane to turn it down.
Id imagine most of these girls dont want to be escorting all their life so why not maximise the earnings from the job? If people think its overprices they wont pay and price will come back down

[EnglishRebecca121]

If you cant afford it simple move on .

[AnthG]

If you cant afford it simple move on .

it is not as simple as that though.

One girl raises her prices. Punters still foolishly book. Other WGs see this and get envious and raise theirs. Suddenly everyone charges that price.

First girl sees this, and raises her prices again. Other WGs see this and get envious....

[EnglishRebecca121]

not always

[finn5555]

First girl sees this, and raises her prices again. Other WGs see this and get envious....

Good point one who was charging £120 an hour put her prices up to £200 when asked why her response was "uglier girls are charging more im undervaluing myself"  strange she seems to have no feedback on AW and has now put her prices at £150.

[Moby Dick]

+1 I’ve said this loads of times  but I don’t think a week is long enough... I’d say a month and lets see what happens

Then you’d need every member of ukp on board to carry it out, but I can’t see that happening

Will it make a difference?
What % of punters are UKP members?
What % of UKP members actually punt?

Stick to tontober or have a wank

[AnthG]

Will it make a difference?
What % of punters are UKP members?
What % of UKP members actually punt?

This is a quote from Oldadmin in 2015.

UKP getting 8million pageviews per month. That doesn't mean 8million visitors at all, it just means 8million pageviews, the true number of visitors is 0.6million.

A lot of punters may not post. But they do read. And that is really all you need. 0.6 million unique visitors in a month is a lot of punters to see a topic saying "DebbieDemureNCL is being greedy, don't book her till she puts her prices back down". And to be honest, that was 2015. I suspect now in 2019 its easily a million unique visitors in a month

(The girl is made up incase anyone thinks I was criticising an actual WG there)

[Mallow841]

If i could almost double my earnings for the same amount of hours in the same job id jump at the chance. Im nowhere near greedy but it would be insane to turn it down.
Id imagine most of these girls dont want to be escorting all their life so why not maximise the earnings from the job? If people think its overprices they wont pay and price will come back down

We’d all be jumping at the chance to almost double our own earnings.
Anyone who says different is lying.

Besides, we don’t all have the same budget so what’s “expensive” for one punter is going to be average for another.

[Jonestown]

Then you’d need every member of ukp on board to carry it out, but I can’t see that happening

Punterwise that would be a drop in the ocean, albeit a very active drop.

UKP has 61,000 members, plus an unknown number of intermittent lurkers.

The usual figure for numbers of men who use the services of sex workers is one in ten, a figure that is probably woeful inaccurate, i.e. low.

Lets assume that's one in ten of the male working population (16-65), which from the 2011 census is very approximately 18million, which means that there are circa 1.8 million potential punters. So on that basis I can't really see a strike by our 61,000 members making much of a dent, even if they punt at a significantly higher frequency than Joe Soap.

Yeh, I know, there are so many things oversimplified in that calculation, but it gives a bit of perspective.

[Mallow841]

This is a quote from Oldadmin in 2015.

A lot of punters may not post. But they do read. And that is really all you need. 0.6 million unique visitors in a month is a lot of punters to see a topic saying "DebbieDemureNCL is being greedy, don't book her till she puts her prices back down". And to be honest, that was 2015. I suspect now in 2019 its easily a million unique visitors in a month

(The girl is made up incase anyone thinks I was criticising an actual WG there)

This forum must’ve been open to the public when that was posted?

It’s not open to the public for everyone to read now and registrations are closed, so the only people reading this site at the moment are those who are members and who have been since before the admin closed off registrations.

This forum not being open to the public means the views will be significantly less compared to it being open to non members reading it.

[James999]

If I'm not worth it simple move on .

Its about what somethings worth, not what somebody can afford, Pro$sies just use the "can't afford" excuse when they get turned down, as a way of dealing with rejection / reality 

[Drayki]

Will it make a difference?
What % of punters are UKP members?
What % of UKP members actually punt?

Stick to tontober or have a wank

Why should I have a wank? Only nobheads that are paying over inflated prices for under average whores.. and that’s what’s driving their prices up 

[Mallow841]

Why should I have a wank? Only nobheads that are paying over inflated prices for under average whores.. and that’s what’s driving their prices up 

Why shouldn’t you have a wank?
If you deem someone expensive why wouldn’t you have a wank instead? It’s cheaper sometimes more pleasurable than some of the so called women I see on AW.

Punting is a luxury not a necessity, that’s not me justifying high prices but it’s a fact that it’s a luxury and as punters we don’t have to see the highly priced escorts if we don’t want to. You can’t force an escort to charge what you want her to. So best thing to do is stick to the girls you deem value for money, or wank.

[GingerNuts]

If a WG gets 5 bookings a day guaranteed. And it drops down to one or two a day. She soon starts taking notice over why.

There's no way 60% or 80% of a WG's customers would be UKP members, who have read about a strike and acted on it.

[AnthG]

There's no way 60% or 80% of a WGs customers would be UKP members, who have read about a strike and acted on it.

Instead of finding ways and reasons not to do something. Why not just do it and if it gets nowhere so be it. All you've wasted is some time making the topic.

I will say it again, we did it in the north east and it was successful. So there is a success story of one region doing it, and it worked. I am not sure if any other regions have tried it alongside ours though.

[GingerNuts]

Instead of finding ways and reasons not to do something. Why not just do it and if it gets nowhere so be it. All you've wasted is some time making the topic.

I will say it again, we did it in the north east and it was successful. So there is a success story of one region doing it, and it worked. I am not sure if any other regions have tried it alongside ours though.

I didn't say it shouldn't be tried just that you exaggerated the proportion of a WG's customers who would be part of any strike.

[mh]

0.6 million unique visitors in a month is a lot of punters to see a topic saying "DebbieDemureNCL is being greedy, don't book her till she puts her prices back down". And to be honest, that was 2015. I suspect now in 2019 its easily a million unique visitors in a month

If you think a million unique active punters are visiting this site every month I have a bridge to sell you. 

The 60,000 number would be much closer to the mark, I would say. If there are 1.8 million punters in the UK as guesstimated above, the overwhelming majority of them will be completely unaware of UKP. We're in a punting bubble!

[AnthG]

If you think a million unique active punters are visiting this site every month I have a bridge to sell you. 

I quoted oldadmin who said there were 0.6 million unique visitors in a month on UKP and this was from a post from 2015. UKP is way more popular in the 4 years since 2015. So I extrapolated that number a bit

[Mallow841]

I quoted oldadmin who said there were 0.6 million unique visitors in a month on UKP and this was from a post from 2015. UKP is way more popular in the 4 years since 2015. So I extrapolated that number a bit

But the forum is closed. You do know that?
The forum is not open to non members, they can’t read it and they can’t register.

I know years back when I lurked I googled an escort and it linked to a review here the forum was open, but the forum isn’t open now, so the amount of view will be a lot lot less.

[Moby Dick]

I quoted oldadmin who said there were 0.6 million unique visitors in a month on UKP and this was from a post from 2015. UKP is way more popular in the 4 years since 2015. So I extrapolated that number a bit

What % of 0.6Million don’t punt.
WG, pimps, agencies, trolls, kids, retired, journalists, police?
Some members might just like reading reviews about sex with prostitutes, no intention of punting.

[County Militia]

Have you noticed all the WG's putting their prices up, some fat old slags are demanding £140... and who in their right mind would pay that for a fat old minger when you can get a young, taught, sexy girl for the same money...

Seriously, some of these WG's need to get real and rethink about their prices and we the punter ought to be demanding a reduction to £80 per hour max..

Rant over.. sorry ..

I'll tell you what, why don't you go and demand they reduce their prices, I don't need to, I can afford it as I've worked very hard ever since I started my working life. I've saved my money over the years when others have thrown it away.

I don't eat out alot, I don't have an expensive phone plan, I don't need to own an expensive car, I don't have Sky or Virgin TV, in fact I don't even watch TV. I prefer reading books, most of them completely free from my local library, I have the occasional alcoholic beverage at home and spend time with my buddies at weekends while working a career that pays well so I have plenty of income to spend on any escort I want.

So thanks for the offer but I think I'll pass on it. I'm not going to deny myself the pleasures I want just because you haven't made better choices to allow you to get the things you want in life.

[AnthG]

I'll tell you what, why don't you go and demand they reduce their prices, I don't need to, I can afford it as I've worked very hard ever since I started my working life. I've saved my money over the years when others have thrown it away.

So thanks for the offer but I think I'll pass on it. I'm not going to deny myself the pleasures I want just because you haven't made better choices to allow you to get the things you want in life.

Erm, have you not realised you are throwing it away by paying over the odds to book a prostitute for an hour. That would be considered the absolute definition of throwing your money away not the other things in your list.

[James999]

I don't eat out alot,
I don't have an expensive phone plan,
I don't need to own an expensive car,
I don't have Sky or Virgin TV, in fact I don't even watch TV.
 I prefer reading books, most of them completely free from my local library,
I have the occasional alcoholic beverage at home

You sound a right barrel of fun 

[EnglishRebecca121]

You sound a right barrel of fun 

He does actually

I don’t have the latest phone . I hardly watch tv , don’t have sky or anything just freeview .I read and I don’t drink so I’m boring then ?!

[finn5555]

I'll tell you what, why don't you go and demand they reduce their prices, I don't need to, I can afford it as I've worked very hard ever since I started my working life. I've saved my money over the years when others have thrown it away.

I don't eat out alot, I don't have an expensive phone plan, I don't need to own an expensive car, I don't have Sky or Virgin TV, in fact I don't even watch TV. I prefer reading books, most of them completely free from my local library, I have the occasional alcoholic beverage at home and spend time with my buddies at weekends while working a career that pays well so I have plenty of income to spend on any escort I want.

So thanks for the offer but I think I'll pass on it. I'm not going to deny myself the pleasures I want just because you haven't made better choices to allow you to get the things you want in life.

Nice work Scrooge 

[County Militia]

Erm, have you not realised you are throwing it away by paying over the odds to book a prostitute for an hour. That would be considered the absolute definition of throwing your money away not the other things in your list.

I can afford to do it as I'm earning a high income so it doesn't bother me much and what makes you think I'd always book an hour anyway? I generally punt a couple of times a year as my life doesn't evolve solely around this hobby so I'm hardly throwing my life's earnings away am I.

[AnthG]

I can afford to do it as I'm earning a high income so it doesn't bother me much and what makes you think I'd always book an hour anyway? I generally punt a couple of times a year as my life doesn't evolve solely around this hobby so I'm hardly throwing my life's earnings away am I.

Jesus Christ you did all of that rant for two punts a year....

[AnthG]

He does actually

I don’t have the latest phone . I hardly watch tv , don’t have sky or anything just freeview .I read and I don’t drink so I’m boring then ?!

You are forgetting you also spend a lot of time logged into this forum. Some may consider a young fit girl spending a great amount of her day logged into a forum designed for men to talk about working girls as her being a tad bit boring.

[Moby Dick]

Jesus Christ you did all of that rant for two punts a year....

2 more than a lot of the 0.6million who view this site

[Mallow841]

You are forgetting you also spend a lot of time logged into this forum. Some may consider a young fit girl spending a great amount of her day logged into a forum designed for men to talk about working girls as her being a tad bit boring.

i personally enjoy seeing a female input. Don’t find it boring.

[Mallow841]

2 more than a lot of the 0.6million who view this site

Probably true. Not every member on here is going to be a paying customer.

[AnthG]

i personally enjoy seeing a female input. Don’t find it boring.

That wasn't the question she asked though. I like Rebecca too.

I would love it if Jessica Beil became a working girl and posted on this forum day in day out. My point was. From Jessica Beils perspective. Her posting on this forum day in day out would be considered a bit boring on her part.

The people all reading her posts would all love them and not find them boring. But if anyone asked Jessica what you doing today. And she said, I am going to post on a forum for prostitutes. They'd think....Boring...

[hungrypunt]

not always

tontober ?

[finn5555]

i personally enjoy seeing a female input. Don’t find it boring.

I get bored of their bullshit and touting

[mrfishyfoo]

For those who want to keep their prices sensible it can feel like a bit of a kick in the face to stick to your financial principals, but also see people who are offering less/shite at their job charging (AND GETTING) £30/£40 more than you.

I know a few girls want to 'take a stand' against these rising rates because they have loyal regs who could no longer afford to see them, but at what point do you start feeling green because you have XYZ less per-month than Slack-Off Sally down the road?

It's cognitive dissonance for me- I can't bring myself to charge crazy prices, but am I valuing myself less by being under 'the new norm'?

Not a troll post or anything, genuinely something I think about a lot.

Edit- I quoted someone by accident, soz!

Perceived value is VANITY !!!

Actual sales are SANITY !!!

In other words your daily target is £500 for the sake of an arbitary figure. Do you want....

1 cock at £500ph
2 cocks at £250ph
5 costs at £100ph

etc

....either way your sales are still £500 !!! 

I reckon 5 @ £100 will be easier to "find" though.

[LLPunting]

Instead of finding ways and reasons not to do something. Why not just do it and if it gets nowhere so be it. All you've wasted is some time making the topic.

I will say it again, we did it in the north east and it was successful. So there is a success story of one region doing it, and it worked. I am not sure if any other regions have tried it alongside ours though.

You voted Brexit didn't you.

[LLPunting]

If you think a million unique active punters are visiting this site every month I have a bridge to sell you. 

The 60,000 number would be much closer to the mark, I would say. If there are 1.8 million punters in the UK as guesstimated above, the overwhelming majority of them will be completely unaware of UKP. We're in a punting bubble!

Given the state of the country, I'd say the vast majority couldn't comprehend the subtlety and discretion showcased on this site, they wouldn't be able to see the value and choose instead to save the time reading the facts and making reasonable deductions and fuck off to the pub before stumbling into some random hole for more money than they'll be netting for the rest of the week.  (52% of 1.8 million + a significant proportion of 48% of 1.8 million)