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Johnny124

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More of a Rant but feel free to discuss. Am i the only who is sick and tired of EE girls and the shit default attuide they have? Seen a few in my punting time some good, some really shit (you go home and crack one off kind of shit)  everytime i do a search on AW %90 are EE. Seriously considering quitting punting as there is hardly any variety.

vw

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No I'm not I have good judgement and have had one bad EE punt in 3 years the more bad is from British.

Read the reviews of the most popular girls on this site most are east European.

Maybe invest some time in reading the good reviews here, in your region would particularly recommend reading reviews by

The Don  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=22655

Nagilum https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=52479

And many other great reviewers.

« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 07:31:13 pm by vw »

newforthisyear

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Never had an issue with Polish girls, so many horror stories of romanians makes me steer clear

Offline Nagilum

No I'm not I have good judgement and have had one bad EE punt in 3 years the more bad is from British.

Read the reviews of the most popular girls on this site most are east European.

Maybe invest some time in reading the good reviews here, in your region would particularly recommend reading reviews by

The Don  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=22655

Omnimatrix https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=52479

And many other great reviewers.

 :drinks: Thanks VW much appreciated.


Offline smiths

More of a Rant but feel free to discuss. Am i the only who is sick and tired of EE girls and the shit default attuide they have? Seen a few in my punting time some good, some really shit (you go home and crack one off kind of shit)  everytime i do a search on AW %90 are EE. Seriously considering quitting punting as there is hardly any variety.

I have punted with many hundreds of EE WGs over the years and had many times more good punts than bad. As ever how good a WG will be is dictated by their attitude and you get good and bad with ALL nationalities.

A/W in 2015 certainly got worse though in my opinion, it became a game of wading knee high in shit looking for a gem but that's where UKP can help of course, and in my case punters I know.

Offline smiths

No I'm not I have good judgement and have had one bad EE punt in 3 years the more bad is from British.

Read the reviews of the most popular girls on this site most are east European.

Maybe invest some time in reading the good reviews here, in your region would particularly recommend reading reviews by

The Don  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=22655

Omnimatrix https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showreviews;u=52479

And many other great reviewers.

For the London area I add punters including Steve2, SamLP, Claretandblue and Punk, all these punters punt in the real world not in white knight fluffy world where WGs can do no wrong.

Offline Nagilum

There are a few things I do to first make the punt smoother and they appreciate it more when you do.

1. Shower
2. Shave face and below
3. Be punctual
4. After shave
5. Deodorant
6. Have a mint

You would be surprised how far this gets you in a punt.  Heck, even the Romanians will kiss you after that. 

Johnny124

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Like i said ive had some good ones but AW is now full Romanians saying they are Half Indian or half this and half some other made up country or Brazilian Trannies :dash:
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 07:35:19 pm by Johnny124 »

Johnny124

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There are a few things I do to first make the punt smoother and they appreciate it more when you do.

1. Shower
2. Shave face and below
3. Be punctual
4. After shave
5. Deodorant
6. Have a mint

You would be surprised how far this gets you in a punt.  Heck, even the Romanians will kiss you after that.
What about if shes just a money grabbing skank with a dirty little pimp in the next room?

Offline Nagilum

What about if shes just a money grabbing skank with a dirty little pimp in the next room?

Invite the pimp in for a threesome!  :cool:
 
No! Come back and write a review to help us avoid her, that is the best way to tackle her poor service.  Believe me, reviews on here work because it hits them in the pocket.

Offline rubric

More of a Rant but feel free to discuss. Am i the only who is sick and tired of EE girls and the shit default attuide they have?

I punted before the EE invasion - and it was largely shit (loads of british prossies with their heads rammed firmly up their backsides). Yes, some EE girls are terrible - but on balance I'm glad they are around.

Offline mattylondon

I punted before the EE invasion - and it was largely shit (loads of british prossies with their heads rammed firmly up their backsides). Yes, some EE girls are terrible - but on balance I'm glad they are around.
This

And the prices are what they are, largely thanks to the EE girls. I'm pretty sure we've be comfortably at the £200 an hour mark by now, were it not for the variety we have.

Competition has kept the prices down and increased the standards, imo.

charming_red

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More of a Rant but feel free to discuss. Am i the only who is sick and tired of EE girls and the shit default attuide they have? Seen a few in my punting time some good, some really shit (you go home and crack one off kind of shit)  everytime i do a search on AW %90 are EE. Seriously considering quitting punting as there is hardly any variety.

On the contrary the EEs I've seen (Hungarians in particular) have been superb. Many Polish girls have good reviews on here.

Of course theres plenty of bad apples amongst them but generally they don't have the shitty attitude you read about English girls having.

Romanians are a different ball game altogether and shouldn't be used to stain EEs in general.

Offline mattylondon

On the contrary the EEs I've seen (Hungarians in particular) have been superb. Many Polish girls have good reviews on here.

Of course theres plenty of bad apples amongst them but generally they don't have the shitty attitude you read about English girls having.

Romanians are a different ball game altogether and shouldn't be used to stain EEs in general.
There are very good Romanians too. It's far too easy to generalise but I guess we all do.

People forget that the Poles and Hungarians were the first to arrive in greater numbers here. Generally speaking, their rates were the cheapest too before many became more established. There were bad apples amongst their numbers too, just as there are plenty of British bad apples. As you say, there are plenty of British prossies with shitty attitudes.

The Romanians and Bulgarians arrived in greater numbers much later. Their rates probably reflect this and their reputation isn't as great but I remember Poles and Hungarians being slagged off when they first arrived. Especially by many British prossies who were afraid of the competition. Romania and Bulgaria are generally poorer countries, so poorer people, including their prossies are easier to exploit. I suspect that a large degree of the trafficking will target poorer nations.

I suspect that in time, the bad apples will be weeded out and those who are being trafficked will reduce in number. There are plenty of British skanks, who have shitty attitudes and rip off punters too. I'm guessing that if you're pimped and don't see much of the money you're earning, you wouldn't be too happy either, regardless of what nationality you are.

Offline Sonny Crockett

There are some EE escorts that I have had great punts with down the years, as much as the shit ones. It does boil down to the lady's attitude.


Offline mattylondon

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Yes, but believe it or not, it excludes other nationalities too! I tried it one for curiosity.

And some Romanians label themselves Hungarian or other nationalities. I'm sure Sergey is well aware of that filter!

It would be a start, I guess, if that's your aim. I'd prefer to treat each prossie as an individual.

I get the feeling that some punters on here moan like fuck about Romanians, even see some negative reports and yet STILL punt them! I have no sympathy for a punter who's read a negative review about any prossie, punts her and then comes on here to fucking moan!
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 11:35:25 pm by mattylondon »

Offline laidbackasiandude

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I would keep an open mind IRRESPECTIVE of said nationality/origin of WG. However, each to
their own with respect to choice.

vw

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That would be madness you would miss some very good prossies, better changing search order to escort rating !

Offline Trenlover

not really to do with any one ethnic or cultural group, but service is 100% dependent on the personality of the WG which in turn is determined by her genetics.

ive had both good and bad services from all different ethnic/cultural groups of girls. 

the statistically significant correlation however is that a previous good service from a WG often predicts a subsequent good service in a followup booking with the same WG, but not with different WG's of the same ethnic/cultural background.

Hence, service quality is inte-individual WG dependent, and less background/heritage dependent.

westbay_abaco

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My last punt in London was with a Roamnian.  Quite pretty young lass but a shit punt.

Dint know she was Romanian and Sergei had good English.  Total waste of 100 quid.

vt

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I've had some cracking punts with EEs, inc Romanians and crap punts with Brit girls...and vice-versa.

As always it boils down to the individual's attitude toward her clients and her work.

If she's getting little reward for her work because of a pimp's cut, then her enthusiasm might be scant.

Offline Marmalade

I thought I'd draw attention to the filter in case any newbies hadn't noticed it. Not foolproof but does a decent enough attempt. I punt all nationalities but quite often I think, I can't be bothered with the effort for someone who doesn't even speak English. I punt them when I'm abroad: but being lazy i I quite like English-speaking tongues sometimes.

Offline Jimmyredcab

I did a search on Christmas morning for girls who were available, something like 269 profiles came up, over 200 of those were Romanians, proof that Sergei doesn't recognise Christmas.
These girls are obviously pimped, sadly many punters don't care.  :thumbsdown:

Offline Jimmyredcab

I've had some cracking punts with EEs, inc Romanians and crap punts with Brit girls...and vice-versa.

As always it boils down to the individual's attitude toward her clients and her work.

If she's getting little reward for her work because of a pimp's cut, then her enthusiasm might be scant.

Your last point is very relevant, if you are paying £80 an hour and Sergei takes £40 then the girl is likely to feel pissed off.

Offline mattylondon

Your last point is very relevant, if you are paying £80 an hour and Sergei takes £40 then the girl is likely to feel pissed off.
Yes, I would agree with that but feel this would be the same regardless of the nationalities concerned.

I've seen plenty that start off charging £40 - £50 for 30 minutes, but once they find their feet, start working for themselves and keep all the money. A couple of Steve2's punts have gone that way. So will it be with Romanians and Bulgarian girls eventually, in greater numbers. There are plenty of Brits out there who are also pimped, in the rougher neighbourhoods.

What prossie wouldn't feel pissed off, sucking 12 cocks a day and only getting 50% of the money?
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 02:08:51 am by mattylondon »

Offline Marmalade

Don't forget that the words 'pimped' and 'trafficked' tend to be used very loosely: by ourselves, by abolishionists, by legislators.

Morally there is a world of difference between a wonan working voluntarily and one who is not: a difference not always recognised sadly.

Under English law, 'trafficked' can include someone who was trapped into prostitution but it can also mean something as innocuous as an agency arranging transport or a working flat for a WG on tour when the WG made her own decision to escort freely and willingly (in other words the majority of escorts who firmly don't want 'rescued' from their chosen job.)

Probably some EEs are indeed trafficked or pimped in the bad sense, something that every right-minded punter is opposed to. Studies suggest that if the law were reformed it would be easier for such cases to be exposed, without normal prossies and punters being put off becoming 'involved'.

In cases where (particularly, I think, many Polish WGs who come over here), they simply hire a 'Sergei' ( often a woman) to write their profile and arrange a flat. (A bit like Soho walk-ups.) Sometimes 'Sergei' does a good job and sometimes he/she is a cunt. So the objection is not whether there is a Sergei but whether a) s/he does a good job in representing the WG's voluntary interests or is career criminal cunt, and b) whether s/he does a good job in representing the WG honestly on her profile to punters or just ticks everything. The second one may be intentional or non-intentional, depending on his/her level of English.

Not sticking up for the intermediaries where there are any, but remember the word tends to tar everyone with the same brush, from the horribly coerced foreigner to the genuine UK student who pays some guy to arrange working flats to save her the embarrassment and hassle, and so she can escort to pay for her education, booze, shoes and nail varnish.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 07:26:20 am by Marmalade »

Offline Jimmyredcab

Yes, I would agree with that but feel this would be the same regardless of the nationalities concerned.

I've seen plenty that start off charging £40 - £50 for 30 minutes, but once they find their feet, start working for themselves and keep all the money. A couple of Steve2's punts have gone that way. So will it be with Romanians and Bulgarian girls eventually, in greater numbers. There are plenty of Brits out there who are also pimped, in the rougher neighbourhoods.

What prossie wouldn't feel pissed off, sucking 12 cocks a day and only getting 50% of the money?

Yes, any nationality can have a pimp --------------- but what I am saying is that Romanians are more likely to be pimped than any other nationality.

One of our members did a review recently, when I looked at the profile she was Available Today but the profile was being accessed from Romania.    :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

James999

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Your last point is very relevant, if you are paying £80 an hour and Sergei takes £40 then the girl is likely to feel pissed off.

From reports in the media sergei takes a lot more than 50%, they indicate that the girl gets a flat rate of say £100 a day (not a bad wage for a Romanian who would at home earn a few pounds a day) and sergei would send in however many he could book in, be that 10 or 20, so take middle ground 15 and say £80 that means Sergei gets £1100 and the pro$$ie £100 after all Sergei must have expenses  :sarcastic:

Perhaps the pro$$ie getting less than £7 a client is the reason they give such a shit service, and of course they have NO interest in returning business or regulars, as that's just more work for them but no more money for them as they get a fixed daily rate  :wacko:

Offline Marmalade

Yes, any nationality can have a pimp --------------- but what I am saying is that Romanians are more likely to be pimped than any other nationality.

Well phrased  :hi:

5th Musketeer

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On the contrary the EEs I've seen (Hungarians in particular) have been superb. Many Polish girls have good reviews on here.
I have only punted with one EE and she was a Hungarian MILF and was great - fully living up to her profile. :P

Offline smiths

Don't forget that the words 'pimped' and 'trafficked' tend to be used very loosely: by ourselves, by abolishionists, by legislators.

Morally there is a world of difference between a wonan working voluntarily and one who is not: a difference not always recognised sadly.

Under English law, 'trafficked' can include someone who was trapped into prostitution but it can also mean something as innocuous as an agency arranging transport or a working flat for a WG on tour when the WG made her own decision to escort freely and willingly (in other words the majority of escorts who firmly don't want 'rescued' from their chosen job.)

Probably some EEs are indeed trafficked or pimped in the bad sense, something that every right-minded punter is opposed to. Studies suggest that if the law were reformed it would be easier for such cases to be exposed, without normal prossies and punters being put off becoming 'involved'.

In cases where (particularly, I think, many Polish WGs who come over here), they simply hire a 'Sergei' ( often a woman) to write their profile and arrange a flat. (A bit like Soho walk-ups.) Sometimes 'Sergei' does a good job and sometimes he/she is a cunt. So the objection is not whether there is a Sergei but whether a) s/he does a good job in representing the WG's voluntary interests or is career criminal cunt, and b) whether s/he does a good job in representing the WG honestly on her profile to punters or just ticks everything. The second one may be intentional or non-intentional, depending on his/her level of English.

Not sticking up for the intermediaries where there are any, but remember the word tends to tar everyone with the same brush, from the horribly coerced foreigner to the genuine UK student who pays some guy to arrange working flats to save her the embarrassment and hassle, and so she can escort to pay for her education, booze, shoes and nail varnish.

Indeed, having a pimp which MANY WGs choose to do including ALL that work at Parlours, Agencies and Parties is entirely different to being forced to be a WG by evil scum. On here some try to link the two but the evidence by way of convictions doesn't prove forced women is a big problem here. IMO what should happen is evil scum who traffic and/or force women to be WGs should be given a life sentence.

Whether punters like it or not pimps have always been involved in prostitution from the pimp of a street WG to a pimp who runs a big operation, despite them breaking the law I don't see that changing anytime soon, and some of these pimps are women, some of them ex-WGs. Literally ANY WG could have a pimp and a punter wouldn't know unless she told him. The pimp could be her partner who leeches off her or anyone else.

With EE WGs and indeed many foreign WGs they couldn't possible afford to rent a premises here so work for a pimp either for a while or for a long time in exchange for a cut of their fees, what this cut is will presumably vary but unless I believe a woman is being forced that's her business as I see it.

I now believe there are few real true Indie WGs about of any nationality including Brits, I cant prove it  but its what I think after reading punting forums for years and my own and the experiences of punters I trust. The only way to be certain of not punting with a WG who has a pimp is to not punt at all in my opinion.

Offline mattylondon

Yes, any nationality can have a pimp --------------- but what I am saying is that Romanians are more likely to be pimped than any other nationality.

One of our members did a review recently, when I looked at the profile she was Available Today but the profile was being accessed from Romania.    :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
In this moment and in relative proportion to their numbers, then I would agree with you. However, in time this will change, in my opinion.

It wasn't that long ago that London was swamped with Polish prossies, plenty of who were 'pimped out' or working in flats together. And I mean pimped, in that they didn't keep all of the money. And as smiths has rightly pointed out, pimped for me includes all parlours and establishments. Any prossie who gives a cut of their earnings to somebody else, is being pimped, in my opinion.  :hi:

As for the Polish girls, I know this for a fact because I visited a few of those flats. In particular, in Bermondsey but also the East End. Now, you don't really see groups of Polish girls working together in those numbers anymore. Times change. Girls go back home or earn enough money to go onto other things. The Polish prossies who remained whoring now work for themselves, in general. So will it be with the Romanians and Bulgarians. The better ones will start to become more 'independent', the con artists and skanks will go home or get out of the game.

The one constant that will remain is there will always be plenty of British skanks. Especially quite a few of the ex street whores, who've been driven from the streets by greater policing. As well as the general scumbags amongst them.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 07:28:33 pm by mattylondon »